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Jul 1, 2011 2:42:53 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 1, 2011 2:42:53 GMT -5
okay, just did a lot of catching up. after reading the case on Trepa, i must admit that it's the strongest one among all the others. what bothers me though is that Trepa (formerly pedescribe) IIRC is an experienced player and would not likely make such an error. i've never played with him so perhaps someone who has played with him in the past can comment on this. also the lack of a competing bandwagon worries me. everyone else with a vote have one apiece. it just seems too easy. here are some posts that got my attention. snipped D1.58 He tosses a vote at guiri for not participating (randomly chosen?) About 29 hours into D1. With all our different time zones I generally wait until over 24 hours have elapsed on the first Day before I even start “counting heads”. It ‘sniggles’. Lynching the quiet teaches us little to nothing on Day One. voting to poke someone is not unusual. it's done to Captain Pinkies often, although surprisingly not this game. i don't recall any standard for the number of hours that have to elapse before a player can poke another player. furthermore i disagree that voting the quiet teaches us little or nothing. it still leaves a voting record and from time to time catches lurking scum. Trepa referred to the scum as rabids - a plural noun, not an adjective. It stood out as I'd not seen any previous reference to the scum as "rabids" so was curious why he'd coined the term as it didn't quite fit with my interpretation of the color. MHaye often does the same thing with names for the scum team and I've seen him get into trouble for doing that so I'm open-minded. No reason to vote, just curiosity about his use of the term. However when the mod apparently confirmed that the in-game term to describe the scum is "rabid" and I'd neither seen this in the opening color nor my role PM, I figured it must have appeared in Trepa's PM and deduced he must be scum. I later realized that our Cop may also have a reference to the scum team and asked Fubbleskag if he'd heard of the term. Metagamey? Sure. Weak-ish vote reasoning? OK. Good early D1 vote and conversation starter? Yes. the mod didn't explicitly state he coined the term. he just said that Rabid = scum. I agree with Trepa's reasoning. If an animal does have rabies, they are called a rabid animal. I don't think that should warrant a vote. Maybe the fact that I live out in the country helps with that reasoning. My thoughts on Trepa Rereading her first post, it does seem kinda odd about how she slipped in Rabid in WHILE she was also talking about scum. It does seem odd, rereading it. I have no problem with the term, but the way that she used it in her first post does seem odd, interchanging it with scum. That, and the fact that she keeps trying to lynch the people who haven't really contributed since day 1 leads me to Outrun Trepa Mayfieldfirst you agree with Trepa then you vote him. what changed your mind? also you harp on his lynching people who haven't contributed. again, it's not unusual to poke missing players. for your flip flop: Vote Colby11also, I'm at the hospital currently - it has now been 14 hours since the wife's water broke - so there is a good chance I'll be less active for the next few days, but I will make a point of logging in long enough to request and report on my investigation(s), baby be damned! congratulations!
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Jul 1, 2011 6:31:50 GMT -5
Post by fubbleskag on Jul 1, 2011 6:31:50 GMT -5
Liam Richard was born at 9:18pm, weighing 8lb 3oz and measuring 22in. We were in the 'delivery room' a total of 19 hours, but most of that was spent waiting patiently - from the time the doc first said 'push' to birth was only 40 minutes and 9 contractions. Mama and baby are both healthy and resting peacefully!
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Jul 1, 2011 6:48:10 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 1, 2011 6:48:10 GMT -5
Oh, he is beautiful! Congratulations!!!
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Jul 1, 2011 7:08:01 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jul 1, 2011 7:08:01 GMT -5
Congrats fubbleskag, to mother and baby as well.
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Jul 1, 2011 7:53:12 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 1, 2011 7:53:12 GMT -5
beautiful shot. good thing your son looks nothing like you. ;D
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Jul 1, 2011 8:32:14 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 1, 2011 8:32:14 GMT -5
Congratulations!
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Jul 1, 2011 9:52:05 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 1, 2011 9:52:05 GMT -5
Congrats!!!
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Jul 1, 2011 9:53:46 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 1, 2011 9:53:46 GMT -5
gnarlycharlie
I still have no problem with the term rabid, as it does make sense. The thing that bothered me was the fact that she used scum and rabid interchangingly, when it wasn't established...
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Jul 1, 2011 9:57:45 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 1, 2011 9:57:45 GMT -5
Congrats, fubs, Mrs. Fubs, and welcome to the world little!Fubs!
But rabies was established in both the sign-up thread and the opening post even if it wasn't mentioned anywhere else. Maybe we have caught a scum slip from Trepa/pede, but I'm not swayed.
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Jul 1, 2011 9:59:04 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 1, 2011 9:59:04 GMT -5
On that note:
vote colby11
There are a couple of other people who have made the same mistake (saying that Rabies wasn't used anywhere else) but for some nebulous reason Colby's posts are pinging me. And yes, I'd love to be more specific. I can't.
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Jul 1, 2011 10:32:13 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 1, 2011 10:32:13 GMT -5
gnarlycharlie pointed out something that I hadn't noticed, but which is bugging me now. Trepa has been the de facto Lynchee for quite some time now, and there seems to have been no effort to get a bandwagon going anywhere else. Would the Scum be that easily willing to sacrifice one of their own on Day 1? I mean, the case against Trepa is at least as good as any other case Today, but it's not exactly a slam dunk. I'm starting to wonder if we're about to make a mistake.
That being said, I'm not changing my vote just yet, because I can't make a better case against anyone else right now, but I feel like it's worth pointing out.
On another note, does anyone know where Metallic Squink has run off to?
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Jul 1, 2011 11:00:32 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 1, 2011 11:00:32 GMT -5
Posting as I catch up okay, just did a lot of catching up. after reading the case on Trepa, i must admit that it's the strongest one among all the others. what bothers me though is that Trepa (formerly pedescribe) IIRC is an experienced player and would not likely make such an error. i've never played with him so perhaps someone who has played with him in the past can comment on this. Trepa is a very good player, but this does seem like something he might do. PS, Interesting catch on colby's flip-flop.
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Jul 1, 2011 11:01:03 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 1, 2011 11:01:03 GMT -5
Liam Richard was born at 9:18pm, weighing 8lb 3oz and measuring 22in. We were in the 'delivery room' a total of 19 hours, but most of that was spent waiting patiently - from the time the doc first said 'push' to birth was only 40 minutes and 9 contractions. Mama and baby are both healthy and resting peacefully! YAY! ;D
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Jul 1, 2011 11:02:43 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 1, 2011 11:02:43 GMT -5
oops, didn't mean to post the picture again. But at least it's a cute baby and not goat porn
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Jul 1, 2011 11:10:49 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 1, 2011 11:10:49 GMT -5
PS, Interesting catch on colby's flip-flop. Was it a flip-flop, though? I'm not so sure. At first, colby says he has no problem with Trepa's use of the word 'rabid' as a collective for the Scum in this game. A day later, he says that after thinking about it, the circumstance regarding the use of the word, and the fact that Trepa uses both 'scum' and 'rabids' in the same post bothers him, and so he votes. I don't consider that so much a 'flip-flop' as a 'change of mind after giving the matter closer consideration'. The former might be a Scum tell (though Town is very often guilty of it as well); the latter is good Town play (though Scum will ofter do the very same thing). In short, I don't see anything terribly wrong with colby's statements, and even if I did, I don't think it would necessarily mean much of anything.
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Jul 1, 2011 11:21:16 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 1, 2011 11:21:16 GMT -5
PS, Interesting catch on colby's flip-flop. Was it a flip-flop, though? I'm not so sure. At first, colby says he has no problem with Trepa's use of the word 'rabid' as a collective for the Scum in this game. A day later, he says that after thinking about it, the circumstance regarding the use of the word, and the fact that Trepa uses both 'scum' and 'rabids' in the same post bothers him, and so he votes. I don't consider that so much a 'flip-flop' as a 'change of mind after giving the matter closer consideration'. The former might be a Scum tell (though Town is very often guilty of it as well); the latter is good Town play (though Scum will ofter do the very same thing). In short, I don't see anything terribly wrong with colby's statements, and even if I did, I don't think it would necessarily mean much of anything. Yes, it's still a change of opinion though. There's certainly many times Town flip flops. I would consider it slightly incriminating if Trepa flips Scum, however, as it might have started off as defense and switched to busing.
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Jul 1, 2011 11:46:52 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 1, 2011 11:46:52 GMT -5
I'll nudge Squink on Giraffe.
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Jul 1, 2011 11:48:27 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 1, 2011 11:48:27 GMT -5
Or, not, she says, rethinking her stance on that and facepalming forever.
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Jul 1, 2011 11:50:20 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jul 1, 2011 11:50:20 GMT -5
gnarlycharlie pointed out something that I hadn't noticed, but which is bugging me now. Trepa has been the de facto Lynchee for quite some time now, and there seems to have been no effort to get a bandwagon going anywhere else. Would the Scum be that easily willing to sacrifice one of their own on Day 1? I mean, the case against Trepa is at least as good as any other case Today, but it's not exactly a slam dunk. I'm starting to wonder if we're about to make a mistake. That being said, I'm not changing my vote just yet, because I can't make a better case against anyone else right now, but I feel like it's worth pointing out. On another note, does anyone know where Metallic Squink has run off to? I wanted to type something about this last night but I obeyed the no drinking and typing rule (self imposed) I also find it odd that there is not an attempt so far to “save” Trepa (even he doesn’t seem to be putting up much of a defense= to me) . There are 6? Players that have yet to vote but…. I must ponder this more
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Jul 1, 2011 11:58:28 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 1, 2011 11:58:28 GMT -5
gnarlycharlie pointed out something that I hadn't noticed, but which is bugging me now. Trepa has been the de facto Lynchee for quite some time now, and there seems to have been no effort to get a bandwagon going anywhere else. Would the Scum be that easily willing to sacrifice one of their own on Day 1? I mean, the case against Trepa is at least as good as any other case Today, but it's not exactly a slam dunk. I'm starting to wonder if we're about to make a mistake. That being said, I'm not changing my vote just yet, because I can't make a better case against anyone else right now, but I feel like it's worth pointing out. On another note, does anyone know where Metallic Squink has run off to? I wanted to type something about this last night but I obeyed the no drinking and typing rule (self imposed) I also find it odd that there is not an attempt so far to “save” Trepa (even he doesn’t seem to be putting up much of a defense= to me) . There are 6? Players that have yet to vote but…. I must ponder this more When I'm Scum, it would be a very rare circumstance where I would do anything to save a teammate. Of course, if I were Scum, I would also do very little to save a non-teammate. Yeah, even as Town, I try to do very little saving. I'm not a saving kinda guy
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Jul 1, 2011 12:06:04 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Jul 1, 2011 12:06:04 GMT -5
OOG congrats on the new addition to the family ( try to remember what sleeping at night was like)
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Jul 1, 2011 12:30:22 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 1, 2011 12:30:22 GMT -5
PS, Interesting catch on colby's flip-flop. Was it a flip-flop, though? I'm not so sure. At first, colby says he has no problem with Trepa's use of the word 'rabid' as a collective for the Scum in this game. A day later, he says that after thinking about it, the circumstance regarding the use of the word, and the fact that Trepa uses both 'scum' and 'rabids' in the same post bothers him, and so he votes. I don't consider that so much a 'flip-flop' as a 'change of mind after giving the matter closer consideration'. The former might be a Scum tell (though Town is very often guilty of it as well); the latter is good Town play (though Scum will ofter do the very same thing). In short, I don't see anything terribly wrong with colby's statements, and even if I did, I don't think it would necessarily mean much of anything. that may well be true. you also changed your mind but went through the effort of explaining why you did. Colby, i felt, did not put as much effort. Or, not, she says, rethinking her stance on that and facepalming forever. snipped There are 6? Players that have yet to vote but…. I must ponder this more i believe you are correct. by my count they are: 1. Special Ed2. metallicsquink3. texcat4. Deni5. storyteller6. CatinASuitEd voted and unvoted early in the Day while the rest have not voted at all.
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Jul 1, 2011 12:45:16 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 1, 2011 12:45:16 GMT -5
Vote Count
Trepa Mayfield (8) : Guiri, LightFoot, SilverJan, Colby11, Suburban Plankton, Captain Pinkies, Cassidy Scarlet, Archangel Colby11 (2) : Gnarlycharlie, Sister Coyote Special Ed (1) : Fubbleskag Sister Coyote (1) : Moodymitchy CassidyScarlet (1) : JustBeingGinger SilverJan (1): Trepa Mayfield
Day 1 ends in just under 2 days, 10 hours, 15 minutes and 22 seconds
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Jul 1, 2011 12:54:52 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 1, 2011 12:54:52 GMT -5
gnarlycharlieI still have no problem with the term rabid, as it does make sense. The thing that bothered me was the fact that she used scum and rabid interchangingly, when it wasn't established... I don't understand this. You don't have a problem with Trepa using the term rabid, but you do have a problem with him using it to refer to scum?? I would have found it odd for him to refer to town as rabid. @fubs Congrats! Beautiful picture! About your investigation: I remain unconvinced by the case on Trepa and think it likely that he has some scum voting for him. If you want to try to catch scum, I might investigate there. Though, I agree with Ed, investigating town is equally valuable.
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Jul 1, 2011 15:36:19 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Jul 1, 2011 15:36:19 GMT -5
okay, just did a lot of catching up. after reading the case on Trepa, i must admit that it's the strongest one among all the others. what bothers me though is that Trepa (formerly pedescribe) IIRC is an experienced player and would not likely make such an error. i've never played with him so perhaps someone who has played with him in the past can comment on this. Trepa is a very good player, but this does seem like something he might do. PS, Interesting catch on colby's flip-flop. No, I disagree about this. I am an experienced player, but I am not very good. I make a great deal of mistakes, and fail to pick up on stuff that good players can pick up on. But I also don't see gnarlie's reasoning. I am experienced, and I drew upon my previous experience to make up a name for the scum that is typical for that group. As it happened, it appears that I happened to make up the same name that Meeko used. If I were less experienced, I would not have come up with that name, probably, unless I were scum. I second that, What?! Care to describe in detail why? I know you want an answer to what I said but by giving you one I might unintentionally out the power roles and I don't want to do that. I am sorry if this looks a bit cagey and if you push me harder I will tell you exactly what I mean. There should be other players who do know what I mean. This is probably making things worse for me but I don't want to say more. The elephant probably did not have this in their PM. Okay, the scum can figure it out with this post, so let's not dance. Jan is soft-claiming mason. I'll buy that for now. No need for the other one to claim for now. If Jan is truthful, she'll probably be NKed soonish (since the doc needs to protect the cop first). If she's not, the real masons can counter-claim whenever they need to. Match Speed SilverJanI also find it odd that there is not an attempt so far to “save” Trepa (even he doesn’t seem to be putting up much of a defense= to me) . There are 6? Players that have yet to vote but…. I must ponder this more The problem is that it's a decent case. I can totally see how I would look suspicious were I someone else, based on what Meeko and fubbles said after what I said. I've defended myself to the best extent I could, and the only way I can save myself now is to make a better case on someone else. gnarlycharlieI still have no problem with the term rabid, as it does make sense. The thing that bothered me was the fact that she used scum and rabid interchangingly, when it wasn't established... OTOH, this looks suspicious. I made up the term rabid for scum, so of course I'm going to use it interchangeably with scum. If you think it makes sense, then it makes sense, otherwise why would I wait for mod confirmation? Nicknames aren't normally confirmed. (also I am a guy but it doesn't really matter) Outrun colby11
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Jul 1, 2011 15:47:22 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 1, 2011 15:47:22 GMT -5
/snips and as a rule, I prefer it when the scum have a game-specific label other than scum. So I called them rabids. Could you give me an example of a game where you coined a pet name for scum? Is there some reason that you think that number 3 is the more likely scenario? Just given the numbers of 5 town power roles and a likely 5 scum, it seems that number 2 and number 3 are equally probable. I don't recall seeing any other reason you thought Trepa was rabid. It's redundant now, since Trepa has claimed VT, but we had: - someone else claimed Cop - Trepa wondered if the masons can communicate - Trepa urged the Doc not to claim [...]since we don't have a sample Vanilla PM (unless I missed it), we can't say for certain it's not the case, but with a number of people claiming the word 'rabid' does not appear in their PM, it seems unlikely. How many people claimed that the word didn't appear in their PM? I merely happened to take the term used to describe the cause of the scum, and turn it into a plural noun. I hardly see why that would have been so hard to guess. It's the combination of coincidences: the fact that Meeko decided to give scum a pet name; the fact that he didn't mention the name in the thread; the fact that he put it in at least one players' PM; the fact that you invented a pet name of your own accord; the fact that it was the same term as the Mod's; the fact that you were the first and only player to use it until I questioned you. I'm not a town power. I'm vanilla town. I may be on the chopping block at the moment, but I'm not going to pretend to be a power role just to save my own neck--that would be more problematic still. Well if you really were VT, it would be lying and you would expose the real town power who would counter-claim you, why would you even entertain this thought? also the lack of a competing bandwagon worries me. everyone else with a vote have one apiece. it just seems too easy. This was brought up in the wonderland game: an uncontested lynch candidate is an indication that the lynchee is town and scum are sitting back happy to watch. I don't think it's the case here as there have been attempts to discredit my case against Trepa, several alternative cases against other players, and given how early in the game Trepa came under suspicion, not a whole lot of posts to analyze except votes or opinions on Trepa. the mod didn't explicitly state he coined the term. he just said that Rabid = scum. The mod said "Rabid == scum" and also said that it was done for color purposes only. We've also seen Fubbleskag's claim that the word appears in his PM. Liam Richard was born at 9:18pm, weighing 8lb 3oz and measuring 22in. Congratulations! Great Irish name! Trepa has been the de facto Lynchee for quite some time now, and there seems to have been no effort to get a bandwagon going anywhere else. No effort? Or just no support for the alternative cases being made? You say yourself that you can't make a better case, maybe scum have nothing to go on?
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Jul 1, 2011 15:55:08 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 1, 2011 15:55:08 GMT -5
I know you want an answer to what I said but by giving you one I might unintentionally out the power roles and I don't want to do that. I am sorry if this looks a bit cagey and if you push me harder I will tell you exactly what I mean. There should be other players who do know what I mean. This is probably making things worse for me but I don't want to say more. The elephant probably did not have this in their PM. Okay, the scum can figure it out with this post, so let's not dance. Jan is soft-claiming mason. I'll buy that for now. No need for the other one to claim for now. If Jan is truthful, she'll probably be NKed soonish (since the doc needs to protect the cop first). If she's not, the real masons can counter-claim whenever they need to. How do you reconcile: "There should be other players who do know what I mean." with your deduction that she's claiming mason?
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Jul 1, 2011 16:20:31 GMT -5
Post by metallicsquink on Jul 1, 2011 16:20:31 GMT -5
I wanted you all to know that I have requested to be subbed out. Sorry!
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Jul 1, 2011 16:23:34 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 1, 2011 16:23:34 GMT -5
[...]since we don't have a sample Vanilla PM (unless I missed it), we can't say for certain it's not the case, but with a number of people claiming the word 'rabid' does not appear in their PM, it seems unlikely. How many people claimed that the word didn't appear in their PM? I had made a note earlier that there were four such claimants, but I didn't write down who they were. A quick search on the word 'rabid' shows only three people explicitly claiming that ( guiri in Post 76, moodymitchy in Post 91, and Trepa himself in Post 137) and Silver Jan implies it in Post 117 (though what she actually says is that " hadn't heard it mentioned before". This may well be the case.
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Jul 1, 2011 16:39:33 GMT -5
Post by cassidyscarlet on Jul 1, 2011 16:39:33 GMT -5
Question: If Jan IS in the fact a mason, should she clear her partner before the probable night kill? On the one hand, doing so would give us three clears today, and at least 2 tomorrow, and at least one clear for the two or more days following (as the doctor would have to die before the cop). Benefit: We get multiclears and mafia can never claim mason.
On the other hand, there might be a benefit to her not claiming. If a scum claims to be the other mason after Jan is nk'ed, the real mason can claim and immediately we have a 50/50 chance of hitting scum. Of course if we want to lynch the real mason in a lynch or lose scenario and scum counterclaims, it could cost us the game.
Thoughts?
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