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Dec 25, 2009 9:48:09 GMT -5
Post by tomscud on Dec 25, 2009 9:48:09 GMT -5
OK looks like I am going down. When tomorrow comes and you see that I was town, pay partucular attention to Stickler and Bills votes on me. I have spent the last few irl days doing nothing but discuss, so I am not buying their reasoning. Personally I think they could BOTH be scum Claim time I am Lucas Bishop. I am the controller for the Green Gobling. Yeah, Norman Osborne is in the game and I know his identity He is currently town aligned and has a bag full of inventions. He has been implanted with nanites by S.H.I.E.L.D, and I have the control. Each night I choose his target. However the control is not complete, He gets to choose what gizmo to use (ie he chooses the action) If I die the Goblin will have a chance to choose whether to switch alignment. I am not planning to reveal his identity as that would just make life easier for the recruiter I assume is out there. And here, the bit about the nanites controlling the Green Goblin is canon, per wikipedia, though I don't see anything in the Bishop article indicating that he had such a role, though he is on the pro-registration side in the comics.
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Dec 25, 2009 15:05:01 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 25, 2009 15:05:01 GMT -5
Does he know which target you choose? What is the official name of your role? Yes he does, my role name is Bishop. The fkavour for me being teh controller is because I am from the future.
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Dec 25, 2009 17:59:52 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 25, 2009 17:59:52 GMT -5
OK looks like I am going down. When tomorrow comes and you see that I was town, pay partucular attention to Stickler and Bills votes on me. I have spent the last few irl days doing nothing but discuss, so I am not buying their reasoning. Personally I think they could BOTH be scum Claim time I am Lucas Bishop. I am the controller for the Green Gobling. Yeah, Norman Osborne is in the game and I know his identity He is currently town aligned and has a bag full of inventions. He has been implanted with nanites by S.H.I.E.L.D, and I have the control. Each night I choose his target. However the control is not complete, He gets to choose what gizmo to use (ie he chooses the action) If I die the Goblin will have a chance to choose whether to switch alignment. I am not planning to reveal his identity as that would just make life easier for the recruiter I assume is out there. well it sure seems to pass the story smell test. being that i can certainly see that this role seems plausible. i guess the only observation i would make is in the last paragraph. you imply that if you die that there is some choice in whether your paired power can switch sides or not. but then you reference a "recruiter" that you assume is out there. that just seems a little discongruent.
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Dec 25, 2009 21:20:20 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Dec 25, 2009 21:20:20 GMT -5
Claim time I am Lucas Bishop. I am the controller for the Green Gobling. Yeah, Norman Osborne is in the game and I know his identity He is currently town aligned and has a bag full of inventions. He has been implanted with nanites by S.H.I.E.L.D, and I have the control. Each night I choose his target. However the control is not complete, He gets to choose what gizmo to use (ie he chooses the action) If I die the Goblin will have a chance to choose whether to switch alignment. I am not planning to reveal his identity as that would just make life easier for the recruiter I assume is out there. I believe this role is at least 90% truthful. It fits with Story's feelings on recruitment and the color is logical. However, there is nothing about this role that makes it a town role. Read it assuming Luvbwfc is scum. It still makes perfect sense. My vote stands.
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Dec 25, 2009 22:04:55 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 25, 2009 22:04:55 GMT -5
Claim time I am Lucas Bishop. I am the controller for the Green Gobling. Yeah, Norman Osborne is in the game and I know his identity He is currently town aligned and has a bag full of inventions. He has been implanted with nanites by S.H.I.E.L.D, and I have the control. Each night I choose his target. However the control is not complete, He gets to choose what gizmo to use (ie he chooses the action) If I die the Goblin will have a chance to choose whether to switch alignment. I am not planning to reveal his identity as that would just make life easier for the recruiter I assume is out there. I believe this role is at least 90% truthful. It fits with Story's feelings on recruitment and the color is logical. However, there is nothing about this role that makes it a town role. Read it assuming Luvbwfc is scum. It still makes perfect sense. My vote stands. It only makes sense as a Scum role if the Goblin is not scum.
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Dec 25, 2009 22:11:17 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Dec 25, 2009 22:11:17 GMT -5
It only makes sense as a Scum role if the Goblin is not scum. Huh? he says Goblin is town aligned
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Dec 25, 2009 23:18:54 GMT -5
Post by special on Dec 25, 2009 23:18:54 GMT -5
It only makes sense as a Scum role if the Goblin is not scum. Huh? he says Goblin is town aligned Yes, I'm aware of that. I was stating that the role itself only makes sense as Scum if the Goblin is not-Scum. However, if luvbwfc flips as Scum, it really gives us no insight into Goblin's alignment, since we won't really be able to trust luvbwfc was being honest about the specifics of the role. Unless, of course, drainbead can get information that detailed off of a dead person. And, of course, drainbead flips Town and we trust that drainbead was always town. So, yeah, basically, I'm agreeing with you. The role makes sense as Town, Scum, or even 3rd party. And the only benefit we have if luvbwfc flips Town is that we'll know Goblin was, at that point town aligned. However, even if luvbwfc flips Scum, we don't really gain any useful information
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Dec 26, 2009 4:30:40 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 26, 2009 4:30:40 GMT -5
OK looks like I am going down. When tomorrow comes and you see that I was town, pay partucular attention to Stickler and Bills votes on me. I have spent the last few irl days doing nothing but discuss, so I am not buying their reasoning. Personally I think they could BOTH be scum Claim time I am Lucas Bishop. I am the controller for the Green Gobling. Yeah, Norman Osborne is in the game and I know his identity He is currently town aligned and has a bag full of inventions. He has been implanted with nanites by S.H.I.E.L.D, and I have the control. Each night I choose his target. However the control is not complete, He gets to choose what gizmo to use (ie he chooses the action) If I die the Goblin will have a chance to choose whether to switch alignment. I am not planning to reveal his identity as that would just make life easier for the recruiter I assume is out there. well it sure seems to pass the story smell test. being that i can certainly see that this role seems plausible. i guess the only observation i would make is in the last paragraph. you imply that if you die that there is some choice in whether your paired power can switch sides or not. but then you reference a "recruiter" that you assume is out there. that just seems a little discongruent. I do not know how recruitment works on this game. The thing about choice is from my pm, the recruiter is tehorised from today's discussions. Note, whilst I know the Goblins current alignment, he does not know mine, also If i die, he chooses his own targets, so his inventions are still available, but maybe to town or maybe to scum.
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Day One
Dec 26, 2009 4:47:06 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 26, 2009 4:47:06 GMT -5
Just read my pm again. The exact wording is if i die he will control his own actions and will have a chance to choose whether to0 retain his allegiances or strike out on his own. Thinking about it that sounds more like he goes 3rd party than scum
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Dec 26, 2009 11:47:48 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Dec 26, 2009 11:47:48 GMT -5
My role, BTW, mentions nothing about recruitment. Dunno if that's meaningful or not.
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Dec 26, 2009 16:16:15 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 26, 2009 16:16:15 GMT -5
Just read my pm again. The exact wording is if i die he will control his own actions and will have a chance to choose whether to0 retain his allegiances or strike out on his own. Thinking about it that sounds more like he goes 3rd party than scum this is fair.
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Day One
Dec 26, 2009 21:23:12 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Dec 26, 2009 21:23:12 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT (12.26) - 9:20 PM EST
luvbwfc - 5 (Sister Coyote - #206, Hawkmod - #266, drainbead - #300, Inner Stickler - #336, BillMC - #381) peekercpa - 4 (nphase - #189, Merestil Haye - #277, tomscud - #287, Natlaw - #356) Special Ed - 2 (texcat - #178, Pollux Oil - #275) drainbead - 2 (redskeezix - #271, Hal Briston - #305) redskeezix - 1 (peekercpa - #257) Inner Stickler - 1 (luvbwfc - #355)
Sick, so very sick. Will continue to monitor the game, but coherence may be an issue until well. Two more votes on luvbwfc (or three votes on peekercpa) ends the Day immediately.
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Day One
Dec 27, 2009 7:10:54 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 27, 2009 7:10:54 GMT -5
I still believe Inner Stickler appears scummy, but on the basis I know I am town and do not know peeker is
unvote Inner Stickler
vote peekercpa
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Dec 27, 2009 7:54:16 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 27, 2009 7:54:16 GMT -5
so close, so very close.
couple of thoughts before i hit the post apocalypse version of hell. that's right i am going shopping with peekkids today.
first, i see no way that a scum can be recruitable. that would be game breaking.
second, i see no way that recruitment will be done in the normal way.
third, there has to be recruitment, for this purpose i will choose to define that this is a choice on where to place allegiance.
fourth, if 3 is correct there are a number of participants that may freely choose on which side to ally.
fifth, that number can not be large, else all could choose scum in which case see 1.
i know that i am town as well luvbwfc (where in the world did that come from?) but i will not choose to place a vote on you because i, at this point, see that would be merely self serving. i have said this before and will say again. i only play for my team to win. ipso fucto, if you are town then lynching you would be against my interests. and to be honest at this point you seem to be less likely to be scum than others.
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Day One
Dec 27, 2009 22:17:12 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Dec 27, 2009 22:17:12 GMT -5
I just got back into town where I have an internet connection, so I'm still processing whats happened since I've been gone.
From what I've skimmed so far, drain has claimed. I'm going to back off that for now, since I haven't had the chance to think about it at this point, and I'm still a little travel weary.
Unvote: drain bead
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Dec 28, 2009 5:30:34 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Dec 28, 2009 5:30:34 GMT -5
(On the other hand, Astrovik was in the anti-registration faction. On the other other hand, I'd say that other than Iron Man and maybe Captain America, I don't feel safe assuming that characters will follow canon in their alignments.) From Wikipedia: I agree with the color-doesn't-have-to-fit-alignment though if a dead Goliath (Bill Foster) turns ups it might be a recruitment point (but in that case it would indicate Justice is currently town). And from Marvel wiki: So his claimed power 'fits', but of course all just color speculation so use with grains of salt.
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Dec 28, 2009 6:19:22 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Dec 28, 2009 6:19:22 GMT -5
Lucas Bishop is pro-registration in color (not mentioned directly as controlling the Green Goblin but the latter was controlled by nanites from Iron Man organisation): As others have mentioned both of Bishop and Goblin scum with the claimed role doesn't make sense (could just give the powers to one scum and make the other vanilla). Both town or town-scum or town-recruitable town are possible. The recruiting part of the claim seems most dodgy to me. On one hand we got the carrot of 'I confirm the Goblin as town' while on the other hand we got 'kill me an you unleash the Goblin'. I do not know how recruitment works on this game. The thing about choice is from my pm, the recruiter is tehorised from today's discussions. Note, whilst I know the Goblins current alignment, he does not know mine, also If i die, he chooses his own targets, so his inventions are still available, but maybe to town or maybe to scum. Just read my pm again. The exact wording is if i die he will control his own actions and will have a chance to choose whether to0 retain his allegiances or strike out on his own. Thinking about it that sounds more like he goes 3rd party than scum Why did you decide to reveal that if you die the Goblin's alignment becomes uncertain? If the Goblin really can turn scum on your death, you painted a huge target on you back (scum kill a town and gain a scum). If just Third Party or PFK the benefit is not as obvious but still a distraction the scum can use.
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Dec 28, 2009 6:26:30 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Dec 28, 2009 6:26:30 GMT -5
i know that i am town as well luvbwfc (where in the world did that come from?) but i will not choose to place a vote on you because i, at this point, see that would be merely self serving. i have said this before and will say again. i only play for my team to win. ipso fucto, if you are town then lynching you would be against my interests. and to be honest at this point you seem to be less likely to be scum than others. The others being Nanook/Redskeezix for not posting much?
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Dec 28, 2009 7:39:14 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 28, 2009 7:39:14 GMT -5
Why did you decide to reveal that if you die the Goblin's alignment becomes uncertain? If the Goblin really can turn scum on your death, you painted a huge target on you back (scum kill a town and gain a scum). If just Third Party or PFK the benefit is not as obvious but still a distraction the scum can use. because i thought a full claim was best
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Dec 28, 2009 8:59:05 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Dec 28, 2009 8:59:05 GMT -5
I think luv as third-party also works...luv and GG being third-party, and GG being able to choose sides upon his controller's death.
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Dec 28, 2009 11:26:25 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Dec 28, 2009 11:26:25 GMT -5
I think luv as third-party also works... luv and GG being third-party, and GG being able to choose sides upon his controller's death. Ya beat me to it, drain -- as soon as I read his claim, I immediately thought back to the two-man team of myself (Riddler) and Bane in Batman Mafia. The relationship was filled with subplots and backstabbing, and would be perfectly realized with the role as claimed. Good enough for me. Unvote: drainbead Vote: luvbwfc
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Dec 28, 2009 11:37:22 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Dec 28, 2009 11:37:22 GMT -5
Do not assume that just because someone is scum that they know who the rest of the scum are. Either Goblin or Bishop could be independent scum allowing them to both be scum.
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Dec 28, 2009 12:25:21 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 28, 2009 12:25:21 GMT -5
Decisions, decisions.
Something about the claim of our Bolton Wanderers Football Club fan was bothering me. I slept on it, and came back thinking about a vote.
Only to find that Hal has pushed luvbwfc to the threshold of hammering, which leaves me with two choices. Either I can vote for luvbwfc and drop the hammer, or I can ask my question and see if a reply is forthcoming before the hammer is dropped.
I've decided to ask the question.
My role pm talks about nanites being implanted to control the recipient's actions, only in my case I'm the recipient.
The nanites aren't working.
I'll say that again. The control the nanites allow the totalitarian swine who run SHIELD over my actions no longer applies.
Thus, I don't actually believe what you say about your PM. Knowing Story, he's provided you with cover PMs, so you don't have to imitate his writing style. This is what he did in Evil Dead, anyway - my claim in that game was a role PM provided by Storyteller. However, necessary adaptations tend to give the game away, and I think that's what happened here.
Please show cause why we should not lynch you.
(As for me, I agreed to go along with this in order to get some control over my life back. But that doesn't mean I like what was done to me. IOW, I'm pro-registration even though I philosophically despise the totalitarian regime we now have running the country.)
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Dec 28, 2009 12:49:00 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 28, 2009 12:49:00 GMT -5
at this stage i believe i am going down. Fine. Tomorrow you will trust me posthumously. Go through the votes on me. There are a lot of opportunistic votes there, so I recommend that as your starting point tomorrow.
Should I out the GG?
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Dec 28, 2009 12:53:56 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 28, 2009 12:53:56 GMT -5
Now, that's interesting.
I was going to go back through the Day to check the arguments on other folks. But with the last two posts in the thread (412 and 413 in case Ed sneaks in on me as he's wont to do), I think I'm comfortable leaving my vote exactly where it is.
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Dec 28, 2009 13:01:01 GMT -5
Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Dec 28, 2009 13:01:01 GMT -5
Decisions, decisions. Something about the claim of our Bolton Wanderers Football Club fan was bothering me. I slept on it, and came back thinking about a vote. Only to find that Hal has pushed luvbwfc to the threshold of hammering, which leaves me with two choices. Either I can vote for luvbwfc and drop the hammer, or I can ask my question and see if a reply is forthcoming before the hammer is dropped. I've decided to ask the question. My role pm talks about nanites being implanted to control the recipient's actions, only in my case I'm the recipient. The nanites aren't working. I'll say that again. The control the nanites allow the totalitarian swine who run SHIELD over my actions no longer applies. Thus, I don't actually believe what you say about your PM. Knowing Story, he's provided you with cover PMs, so you don't have to imitate his writing style. This is what he did in Evil Dead, anyway - my claim in that game was a role PM provided by Storyteller. However, necessary adaptations tend to give the game away, and I think that's what happened here. Please show cause why we should not lynch you. (As for me, I agreed to go along with this in order to get some control over my life back. But that doesn't mean I like what was done to me. IOW, I'm pro-registration even though I philosophically despise the totalitarian regime we now have running the country.) ok I have probably missed something here (really I know sweet FA about comics), but are you (MHaye) claiming to be the Green Goblin, the one supposedly controlled by luvbwfc?
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Dec 28, 2009 13:03:31 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 28, 2009 13:03:31 GMT -5
ok I have probably missed something here (really I know sweet FA about comics), but are you (MHaye) claiming to be the Green Goblin, the one supposedly controlled by luvbwfc? No. I am claiming to be A. N. Other character who is being controlled by nanites. Only, in my case, the control has been disrupted by what is going on here.
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Dec 28, 2009 13:11:05 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 28, 2009 13:11:05 GMT -5
WARNING: FLUFF
PCM, the only thing you really need to know about comics is this:
If you think they're dead, unless you saw the body on-screen, they aren't.
And sometimes even if you saw the body on-screen, they aren't.
Tony Stark -- no offense tom scud -- is a dick. A wealthy, powerful dick, so he gets away with it.
And Cap isn't much better.
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Dec 28, 2009 13:16:39 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Dec 28, 2009 13:16:39 GMT -5
at this stage i believe i am going down. Fine. Tomorrow you will trust me posthumously. Go through the votes on me. There are a lot of opportunistic votes there, so I recommend that as your starting point tomorrow. This looks like you are declining to offer an explanation. I'm willing to wait a little longer, in case you change your mind. If you wish. On the upside, it's a piece of data that we can evaluate after we see how you've flipped. If you come up pro-Reg, we have the name of a player who is now pro-registration, although they will be a potential recruit, and we'll know to watch them for signs of defection. If you flip ARR, then we'll not be able to trust anything you say, although I would note that the name is easily checkable. The downside is potential; if you flip pro-Reg, then the ARR types now have a name that they might be able to recruit. It's up to you whether you want to name names. If I had your role, and I were pro-Reg, then I would do so, as it's information. There's also the possibility that the Goblin might be able to confirm your claims somewhat, and if you can be believed the Goblin is pro-Registration right now, but might change allegiance if we lynch you. I'm going to refrain from dropping the hammer for now, and reconsider about midnight (that's just under six hours from now).
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Dec 28, 2009 13:39:54 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on Dec 28, 2009 13:39:54 GMT -5
[/size][/quote]This looks like you are declining to offer an explanation. I'm willing to wait a little longer, in case you change your mind. [/quote] An explanation for what? No amtter the status of your claimed nanites, my pm specifically states I have partial control of the goblin. I choose his target, but he gets to choose the action. What more explanation do you want. After my death the goblin is totally self willed and chooses his target and action. Given that his allegiance goes wobbly on my death. I am inclined to put the name out there. Anyone else have a view on this?
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