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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 7:24:05 GMT -5
Yes, the Scum can kidnap me. I do know why they might kidnap me. Is it related to the "limited or no recruitment" mentioned in the rules? As far as I am aware, I cannot be recruited or paly a part in anyone else's recruitment.
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 7:31:21 GMT -5
Seriously? Do you have any idea who can kidnap you or for what purpose? Yes, the Scum can kidnap me. I do know why they might kidnap me. Do know? Any reason you're not saying?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 7:36:41 GMT -5
Yes, the Scum can kidnap me. I do know why they might kidnap me. Do know? Any reason you're not saying? I do know. I'm not sure that they know all of the ramifications, so I'd rather not say.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 29, 2011 7:36:58 GMT -5
ah, yes. let me clarify. i meant sniping and voting based on events outside this game. you want totally outside of this game. based on your avatar do you play rugby? was the first sentence a question? a threat? and no, i don't play rugby. it was the avatar i liked best that the boards offered. i will change it if i find something better.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 7:36:56 GMT -5
for the next game, I need to come up with a new approach to Day 1. Instead of being agressive and trying to start conversations so that we can hunt Scum, maybe I'll post weather reports or gardening tips.
Or maybe just go back to my beloved facebook games and the general strategy over there of "vote and hope." Where you don't really read or think or interact, you just put out a vote and hope they're Scum, and maybe wait for a power role to tell you what to do.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 29, 2011 8:09:38 GMT -5
Scum would totally do that, and I would like to point out that Ed is a more than skilled enough player to nearly convince Town to lynch their cop and then to talk them out of it once again. Two things about this post. 1. The "Scum would do that" meme has, in my opinion, outlived its usefulness and has become an active hindrance in the Scum hunting process. It's trivially true that, yes, under the right circumstances a given Scum player might do anything. Acknowledging that Scum might do anything should not stop us from trying to evaluate what Scum did do (or didn't) in a particular situation. So sure, I'll grant that in the vast universe of possible combinations of player and circumstance, Ed's opening play is something that some Scum player, somewhere, might have done or might do. However, I feel rather strongly that in this game, a Scummy Ed does not open the game in the way he did - with a meta-game attack on Pinkies certain to have little practical effect other than force attention on Ed and generate sympathy for Pinkies. And again, if Ed is Scum and Pinkies is Town, then what Ed is doing is just sort of mean, isn't it. I don't buy it. It doesn't make sense as a Scum move in 99 out of 100 cases, and that's good enough to with-hold my own vote. 2. The second half of the post above is just scare-mongering. That sort of thing - "ooh, watch out for so-and-so, cause he's really good and one time he lynched a Cop with his bare hands and KEYZER SOZE" - always draws my notice, because it's a content-free way to push under-the-radar suspicion at a player. I dislike the emerging bandwagon on Ed. I don't think anyone has successful articulated a reason why Ed's attack on Pinkies is scummy. I may find it bad form, and disagree with it, but why is it Scummy?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Mar 29, 2011 8:36:27 GMT -5
I don't see where the scumminess is and I'm inclined to believe Ed's claim to be Daphne.
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 29, 2011 8:43:31 GMT -5
Yeah, you've never seen me be aggrssive before, eh? Not even as Town. please. This is a weak vote coming from you. The others who don't know me, I can understand <snipped> oh, ffs. the blue special ed was imbedded in the quote i was referencing i just forgot to edit it out or bleach it. and i was commenting on the fact that i have seen you a HELL of a lot more aggressive. additionally, i was commenting on the observation that lightfoot made earlier about treating this game as if it was the first time that you had ever encountered these folks. and i don't know the background of the newer folks but it is impossible for me not to know what goes on around here and the fact that so far you have been fairly kid gloved as far as i am concerned. jeebus, ed read for content. but just in case our mod got the same wrong impression that you did: unvote ed
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Post by peekercpa on Mar 29, 2011 8:53:44 GMT -5
was the first sentence a question? a threat? and no, i don't play rugby. it was the avatar i liked best that the boards offered. i will change it if i find something better. like everything else in my life it is a long story and has nothing to do with this specific engagement. and no it is not a threat, just an observation that one of the previous adoptees of that particular avatar was a wicked good player.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 8:54:01 GMT -5
Yeah, you've never seen me be aggrssive before, eh? Not even as Town. please. This is a weak vote coming from you. The others who don't know me, I can understand <snipped> oh, ffs. the blue special ed was imbedded in the quote i was referencing i just forgot to edit it out or bleach it. and i was commenting on the fact that i have seen you a HELL of a lot more aggressive. additionally, i was commenting on the observation that lightfoot made earlier about treating this game as if it was the first time that you had ever encountered these folks. and i don't know the background of the newer folks but it is impossible for me not to know what goes on around here and the fact that so far you have been fairly kid gloved as far as i am concerned. jeebus, ed read for content. but just in case our mod got the same wrong impression that you did: unvote edI see what you mean now. forgive me for being confused by your post. It's not the first time that half of what you said didn't make sense to me. Are these new people FB converts? it truly is a different game over there. (or at least was when I played there) it was more like cocktail hour with people guessing as to who might be Scum and not really trying very hard.
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Post by guiri on Mar 29, 2011 9:25:20 GMT -5
@ Special, given your claim and the additional knowledge, what do you make of Bill's question about Daphne's whereabouts, my response based on canon, and MentalGuy's PIS accusation?
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Post by julie on Mar 29, 2011 9:33:48 GMT -5
Vote Count:
*Special Ed: 4 (Suburban Plankton 92; MentalGuy 147; Joanie 156; Special Ed 170)
Paranoia: 1 (Renata 94)
*Current lynch leader
Snack Transfers:
septimus: +1 (peekercpa, 83)
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 29, 2011 9:46:11 GMT -5
was the first sentence a question? a threat? and no, i don't play rugby. it was the avatar i liked best that the boards offered. i will change it if i find something better. like everything else in my life it is a long story and has nothing to do with this specific engagement. and no it is not a threat, just an observation that one of the previous adoptees of that particular avatar was a wicked good player. just wanted to know if i was in your sights or not.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 9:50:44 GMT -5
@ Special, given your claim and the additional knowledge, what do you make of Bill's question about Daphne's whereabouts, my response based on canon, and MentalGuy's PIS accusation? Bill's question surprised me. Probably it was an egocentric thing, but it reality, it was quite apparent that she was missing from the introduction. Now, it's possible that he was trying to get an indication of who Daphne was either for Scum or Town purposes. I certainly wouldn't put it past him. He does occasionally have posts related to game color though that really have no significance, but he's also very astute and her absence might be something that stuck out for him. When, you, guiri responded and brought up kidnapping, my intial thought was that it was a PIS leak and you were either Scum or Town with knowledge that my kidnapping was possible. Then, I realized that you would probably been too smart and catious of a player to let that slip. So, I began to think that you were jsut breadcrumbing to me that you were going to be able to intervene in my kidnapping. (I am aware that certain Town players can do that.) So I'm unsure of your knowledge at this point. I had been contemplating how to breadcrumb my role, but then just decided to claim before I had decided. Mental Guy's PIS accusation really rubbed me the wrong way. I think, someone unaware of the importance of my role would have just glossed over it, especially buried deep within all of my other comments. So I'm leaning towards Scum on his part.
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Post by MentalGuy on Mar 29, 2011 10:08:48 GMT -5
Okay, if anyone else is really Daphne, you probably need to counterclaim Ed.
In the meantime,
Unvote Special Ed
I don't know why, but I do know that Daphne can be kidnapped and I know that her location could be important. I will say that it is possible that once she has been kidnapped, she can be found. So I assume her kidnapping just removes her from the game for a while.
I started this post this morning and had to stop. I have since read what happened since. I will say that I probably did notice your comment more than others because of information I had, but it is because I knew there was a possibility of rescue.
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 10:09:32 GMT -5
This PIS accusation? That's more than a little scummy (as you refer to it in your post that follows it). You're convinced enough your role is anti-town to want to die over that? unvote[/color] vote: Mental Guy[/color] (Full explanation to follow in a few minutes, need to do something here first.) About your comment on Bill, my own first thought when he brought that up was maybe it was a subtle clue that Daphne was an innocent-sounding cover role for one of the scum. (Though I didn't see the point of saying so at that time.) I don't particularly suspect you personally, though. I don't get why you've acted as you did, but "I don't get it" has never been a really solid indicator of scum, has it? Back in a few.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 29, 2011 10:13:37 GMT -5
A vote for me isn't bad. I am Daphne, and I'm a miller type of role. It appears that my only power is the ability to be kidnapped. I doubt that it's beneficial to Town anyway. so what made you claim this early? if you had to, why didn't you claim at the start?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Mar 29, 2011 10:16:07 GMT -5
oh, i posted before i saw your explanation.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2011 10:22:44 GMT -5
A couple questions...
Ed,
Why are you voting for yourself? I know you said you have a 'Miller-type' role, but you also claim it is definitely not a Miller (i.e. you investigate as Scum) role...so why the self-vote? If you are Town, and could potentially be confirmed as such, then why should we lynch you? I assume that by voting for yourself, you are calling for your own lynch...
MentalGuy,
Are you trying to claim something, or are you simply doing your best impression of me and letting your mouth run when you shouldnt'?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 29, 2011 10:32:49 GMT -5
But wait, coudn't finding Daphne be benefitial for TOWN? It's possible since she was not in attendance in the opener, No?
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 10:47:29 GMT -5
Well all right never mind then.
unvote[/color] vote: Paranoia[/color]
I'm pissed off at the world right at the moment, will try again tomorrow.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 10:48:38 GMT -5
I find this very hard to believe unless your strategy was to gather enough penalty votes to ensure your lynch Day 6 was automatic. What value were you hoping for? No my strategy was to try to get SCUM to take me out during the night. As vanilla town it is my goal to get SCUM to take me out. So I was trying for the look like I was hiding something. It didn't work, town took me out twice on night 3. It was my daugters 5th birthday party on the weekend where I got the vote pentality. I had 8 wonderful little girls here at the house, needless to say I wasn't able to play. I thought I posted something, as I wrote it out, but I never published it. My bad.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 29, 2011 10:56:31 GMT -5
I don't know why, but I do know that Daphne can be kidnapped and I know that her location could be important. I will say that it is possible that once she has been kidnapped, she can be found. So I assume her kidnapping just removes her from the game for a while. All other considerations aside: does the information to which you are alluding explicitly state that Daphne is Town, full stop?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 11:04:24 GMT -5
You're convinced enough your role is anti-town to want to die over that? My role is anti-Town enough that outed, it's potentially better that I am dead.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 11:04:40 GMT -5
A vote for me isn't bad. I am Daphne, and I'm a miller type of role. It appears that my only power is the ability to be kidnapped. I doubt that it's beneficial to Town anyway. so what made you claim this early? if you had to, why didn't you claim at the start? hi, how's stuff?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 11:05:44 GMT -5
A couple questions... Ed, Why are you voting for yourself? I know you said you have a 'Miller-type' role, but you also claim it is definitely not a Miller (i.e. you investigate as Scum) role...so why the self-vote? If you are Town, and could potentially be confirmed as such, then why should we lynch you? I assume that by voting for yourself, you are calling for your own lynch... My power is anti-Town.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 11:06:28 GMT -5
But wait, coudn't finding Daphne be benefitial for TOWN? It's possible since she was not in attendance in the opener, No? Finding Daphne can maybe stop the bad for Town, but that's very different from being good.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2011 11:47:59 GMT -5
What exactly is your "Power" again? The ability to be kidnapped? How is that Anti-town, necessarily? Or is there something more to it that you're not letting on? It seems like you know something more than you are telling, and that your aim is to be lynched without revealing what you know. Is this the case?
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Post by Archangel on Mar 29, 2011 11:50:03 GMT -5
Ed, if you are telling the truth, is the Daphne role so anti-town that voting you off is preferable even though
(a) we will lose a vocal town member (which is a loss in both numbers and actual attempts to catch scum)
and
(b) it will make the voting record of Day One useless because everyone can vote you and have a justifiable reason for it?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 11:58:52 GMT -5
It seems like you know something more than you are telling, what clued you in to this? Was it the fact that I stated that I knew more than I was telling?
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