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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 12:07:18 GMT -5
Ed, if you are telling the truth, is the Daphne role so anti-town that voting you off is preferable even though (a) we will lose a vocal town member (which is a loss in both numbers and actual attempts to catch scum) and (b) it will make the voting record of Day One useless because everyone can vote you and have a justifiable reason for it? now you're concerned about the voting record?
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Post by Archangel on Mar 29, 2011 12:09:58 GMT -5
Ed, if you are telling the truth, is the Daphne role so anti-town that voting you off is preferable even though (a) we will lose a vocal town member (which is a loss in both numbers and actual attempts to catch scum) and (b) it will make the voting record of Day One useless because everyone can vote you and have a justifiable reason for it? now you're concerned about the voting record? I'm concerned about the contradiction between what you espouse and what you're doing in practice.
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Post by MentalGuy on Mar 29, 2011 12:10:23 GMT -5
A couple questions... Ed, Why are you voting for yourself? I know you said you have a 'Miller-type' role, but you also claim it is definitely not a Miller (i.e. you investigate as Scum) role...so why the self-vote? If you are Town, and could potentially be confirmed as such, then why should we lynch you? I assume that by voting for yourself, you are calling for your own lynch... MentalGuy, Are you trying to claim something, or are you simply doing your best impression of me and letting your mouth run when you shouldnt'? I only have a couple of minutes to post here, but yes, I am claiming that my role involves finding Daphne after she has been kidnapped. There is more to my role that is not Daphne related, so I would rather not reveal that part.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 12:15:59 GMT -5
ED,
wow how interesting, you vote for yourself, you claim a "miller type" role, and tell everyone that your role is bad for town yet you are town. and that we should vote for you... are you sure you don't have a PFK / JESTER type role? I'm just not getting it....
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2011 12:16:28 GMT -5
So, let;s consider Ed's claim for a moment, and his suggested course of action. He says that he is Daphne, and that his role is anti-Town to the extent that the best course of action is to lynch him Today.
Possibility 1: Ed is telling the truth
The question then becomes, who is a better judge of things: Ed, who is in full possession of his role and understands its intricacies and implications better than anyone else, or 'the rest of us'? I know Ed often talks about how he isn't a very good player, but that's a load of BS. He is a very good player, and if he has analyzed his own role and determined that the best course of action for Town is for him to be lynched on Day 1, then I'm not sure I should argue with him.
Possibility 2: Ed is lying
Then he's doing so for no good purpose, and should be lynched. End of discussion.
It looks to me like we should lynch Ed. Now normally, this would fill me with a sense of joy, but somehow here it's less than fulfilling...
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 12:17:25 GMT -5
ED, wow how interesting, you vote for yourself, you claim a "miller type" role, and tell everyone that your role is bad for town yet you are town. and that we should vote for you... are you sure you don't have a PFK / JESTER type role? I'm just not getting it.... Yes, I'm sure. I'm sorry that you can't understand it.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2011 12:31:52 GMT -5
Assume for the moment that Ed is lying about being Daphne.
That would imply that he was confident that there would be no counter-claim. Which would further imply that 'Daphne' is not in fact a player in this game, but instead is some sort of 'object'. Perhaps a 'hot potato' that can be possessed by Scum (by kidnapping her) or Town (by rescuing her). Ed could be relying on psychology to save him from an actual lynch; why would Town want to lynch a Townie, especially one who they are supposed to be 'rescuing'?
Presumably the Scum, being informed of the kidnapping mechanism, would have been able to figure out (or would have been told outright) that 'Daphne' was not actually a player, so they would have known the claim was safe. And by making the claim, they might have hoped to uncover the person or persons who can rescue Daphne, so they would know who to eliminate once they kidnap her; which they seem to have done successfully in the case of MentalGuy.
I haven't quite worked out why, in this scenario, Ed would call for his own lynch, except that it seems like the sort of selfless act that a Townie might make, while we all know "Scum would never do that".
Of course, if Ed is on the level then this is all just the musings of an over-active imagination, in which case I hope it entertained you at least...
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Post by Archangel on Mar 29, 2011 12:38:13 GMT -5
[/b]Vote Special Ed
Agreed that he is either telling the truth, in which he can most accurately assess whether or not he's an asset or liability, or is scum.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 29, 2011 12:39:08 GMT -5
Sorry. I still don't "get" the bolding and coloring here. I will leave that and see if Julie counts it...if not I'll redo it, but redoing it now seems like it will just add confusion.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2011 12:41:02 GMT -5
You're convinced enough your role is anti-town to want to die over that? My role is anti-Town enough that outed, it's potentially better that I am dead. The problem here is that you weren't outed until you claimed under no real pressure whatsoever. You didn't need to claim; all you had to do was acknowledge that Pinkies was actually making an attempt to contribute, therefore justifying your 'message vote' and allowing you to remove it in order to place it somewhere else on someone you felt was Scum. That alone would have saved you from being lynched today and there would have been no need to claim anything. No, you outed yourself, and then stated that since you were outed, you needed to be killed. Which makes me want to say "hold on a minute...if you're so eager to be lynched, then maybe we really shouldn't lynch you"...but maybe that's exactly what you want us to think... God, I love this game
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Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 29, 2011 12:43:09 GMT -5
I do not like this Ed/Daphne business one bit. No siree. It stinks to me. It seems like something Ed would pull as a major distraction. I'd love to just lynch him and be done with it but I'm nervous that he's some type of bomb. I'll need to consider it more. How about during the rest of the week? Hey it's only Tuesday, relax guyyy! --FCOD
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 12:49:58 GMT -5
Sorry. I still don't "get" the bolding and coloring here. I will leave that and see if Julie counts it...if not I'll redo it, but redoing it now seems like it will just add confusion. Here's how I do it: 1. Type your words 2. Highlight the ones you want bolded or colored. 3. Push the "B" for bold button or select the color you want from the drop down menu. Alternatively, you can use the tag <vote> person's name </vote> with the brackets instead of the point things, making sure you leave a space between the tag and the name.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 12:53:06 GMT -5
My role is anti-Town enough that outed, it's potentially better that I am dead. The problem here is that you weren't outed until you claimed under no real pressure whatsoever. You didn't need to claim; all you had to do was acknowledge that Pinkies was actually making an attempt to contribute, therefore justifying your 'message vote' and allowing you to remove it in order to place it somewhere else on someone you felt was Scum. That alone would have saved you from being lynched today and there would have been no need to claim anything. No, you outed yourself, and then stated that since you were outed, you needed to be killed. Which makes me want to say "hold on a minute...if you're so eager to be lynched, then maybe we really shouldn't lynch you"...but maybe that's exactly what you want us to think... God, I love this game yeah, damn, imagine that, I posted something to try to get reactions from people. what an out-of-character move for me. Maybe I should have just posted weather reports or gaardening tips. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paris: 12 C and overcast ~~~~~~~~~~ It is best to water in the morning so that the plant leaves can dry before night time to prevent disease. I like to water right after I get back from my walk. It just makes the rest of your day easier knowing that your flowers have been watered and are not dying of thirst outside.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Mar 29, 2011 12:56:50 GMT -5
I prefer random wikipedia articles.
--FCOD
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 13:06:40 GMT -5
I prefer random wikipedia articles. --FCOD Gardening is the practice of growing plants. Ornamental plants are normally grown for their flowers, foliage, overall appearance, or for their dyes. Useful plants are grown for consumption (vegetables, fruits, herbs, and leaf vegetables) or for medicinal use. A gardener is someone who practices gardening. OK, it wasn't random
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 13:26:16 GMT -5
It looks to me like we should lynch Ed. Now normally, this would fill me with a sense of joy, but somehow here it's less than fulfilling... Tell me about it. That does seem to be the only realistic way to go, doesn't it? And it kind of stinks either way -- even if he's scum, he's all but ensured there will be little of use in the votes on him towards finding any more of them. And if he's townie or third party, forget it. unvote[/color] vote: Special Ed[/color] Blah. If I have the energy I'll try to add a few to the list-o-suspicion (beside Paranoia) before the day ends.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Mar 29, 2011 13:38:03 GMT -5
I would like to re-iterate my question for MentalGuy:
Does your information explicitly indicate that the player with the role of Daphne is Town-aligned?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 14:16:33 GMT -5
you know have a feeling we are just playing a role in ED's little game... He is controlling us peeps.. First he drives the conversation about with me, and now he is playing us with this latest stunt... But, I guess I'll be another lemming and go with what he beleives is best for town, on day 1... clearly ED knows best...
Vote: ED
because he is telling us that it is in our best interest to kill him off...
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:25:53 GMT -5
you know have a feeling we are just playing a role in ED's little game... He is controlling us peeps.. First he drives the conversation about with me, and now he is playing us with this latest stunt... But, I guess I'll be another lemming and go with what he beleives is best for town, on day 1... clearly ED knows best... because he is telling us that it is in our best interest to kill him off... At least you're doing something this game. Even if you're trying to absolve yourself of any accountability.
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Post by guiri on Mar 29, 2011 14:33:21 GMT -5
My response to Bill was intended as canon-relevant fluff quoted from the wikipedia Character section which states: "She serves as the damsel in distress and would occasionally get kidnapped, tied up, gagged, and left imprisoned. [...] When Scooby is nowhere to be found, Daphne also yells "Scooby-Doo! Where are you?!"." I've never seen kidnapping as a mafia power or kidnap-victim as a mafia role and it didn't cross my mind that we'd see it in this game. Special, assuming you are telling the truth, can you answer these questions: - Can the kidnap be prevented through protection, roleblocking or vigging? - Can you be lynched or killed while kidnapped? - Is the action of kidnapping trackable/watchable? - When you are kidnapped, can you continue to post and vote? - When you say you "know why they might kidnap you", do scum get some sort of benefit if they're successful?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:36:07 GMT -5
some more thoughts for discussion:
7. MentalGuy knew more about my kidnapping than he should have. Scum would know, but so would my rescuer. 22. guiri Similar to mental guy, seemed to know about my kidnapping. Less though since he didn't claim it directly.
It seems likely that one of them might know more because they are Scum.
1. Sister Coyote: Usually she pings me. She's not right now 2. Mr. Special Ed: that's me 3. BillMc: why so interested in daphne to start with? 4. Suburban Plankton: I always think he's Scum. 5. Mahaloth: Scum, he's always Scum 6. peekercpa: hi, peeker! 8. gnarlycharlie 9. Inner Stickler: 10. FCOD: Bomb, really? I mean, really? 11. Dr. Septimus Strangelove 12. Greedy Smurf 13. archangel: odd declaration that lynching is better for non-participants than being killed by a Vig. She should know better. 14. scuzzlebutt 15. Joanie: 3rd vote = Scum 16. storyteller: I never can tell. 17. Captain Pinkies: I think I hurt his feelings. I assume most of his angst since then is OMGUS, but that's not really a tell. The name claim with poorly thought out (or not thought out rationale, more like an after the fact defense) troubles me. 18. romanic 19. Paranoia: The case against him is solid. it doesn't mean he's Scum, just that he made a mistake. 20. Renata: Really bought into the should lynch Ed because he says so routine? Really? I'd expect better. The case against paraoid as well has me leaning Scum. 21. LightFoot: Posting, I think might even almost have had an opion about something.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:38:29 GMT -5
numbers added because I don't want to quote/unquote a lot. Special, assuming you are telling the truth, can you answer these questions: 1 Can the kidnap be prevented through protection, roleblocking or vigging? 2 Can you be lynched or killed while kidnapped? 3 Is the action of kidnapping trackable/watchable? 4 When you are kidnapped, can you continue to post and vote? 5 When you say you "know why they might kidnap you", do scum get some sort of benefit if they're successful? 1. I assume it might be able to be blocked. Other things probably won't interfere. 2. Yes 3. I don't know. 4. Yes... 5. Yes
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 14:39:02 GMT -5
you know have a feeling we are just playing a role in ED's little game... He is controlling us peeps.. First he drives the conversation about with me, and now he is playing us with this latest stunt... But, I guess I'll be another lemming and go with what he beleives is best for town, on day 1... clearly ED knows best... because he is telling us that it is in our best interest to kill him off... At least you're doing something this game. Even if you're trying to absolve yourself of any accountability. get off your little high horse, seriously it is not needed and doesn't add any value... And no I don't trust your modivations. And by the way you have presented this information you are the one who has nullified the voting record today, not me...
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:40:57 GMT -5
At least you're doing something this game. Even if you're trying to absolve yourself of any accountability. get off your little high horse, seriously it is not needed and doesn't add any value... And no I don't trust your modivations. And by the way you have presented this information you are the one who has nullified the voting record today, not me... I guess I was right. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. yes I prodded you. So, you don't trust my motivations, then why are you following me?
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:43:55 GMT -5
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 14:46:57 GMT -5
I'll leave aside the "I expect better from you" and just ask this, Ed:
One of these things is not like the other. The case against Paranoia is solid, yet that contributes to you leaning scum on me? Hello?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 14:49:10 GMT -5
get off your little high horse, seriously it is not needed and doesn't add any value... And no I don't trust your modivations. And by the way you have presented this information you are the one who has nullified the voting record today, not me... I guess I was right. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. yes I prodded you. So, you don't trust my motivations, then why are you following me? because ED you know best and if you want out of the game I am more than happy to help that... I am sure your death can only help town as you say.
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Post by Renata on Mar 29, 2011 14:51:47 GMT -5
Oh, and as long as I'm irritated anyway, may as well put it to use. Hey Romanic: three days and eight pages and all you have to say so far is something helpful about Scooby Snacks?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Mar 29, 2011 14:53:01 GMT -5
and ohh I forgot...
<== passes a round of hillybilly assholes
1/2 oz Jack Daniel's® Tennessee whiskey 1/2 oz Jagermeister® herbal liqueur 1/2 oz peppermint schnapps
Layer in shot glass and shoot.
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Post by special on Mar 29, 2011 14:59:59 GMT -5
and ohh I forgot... <== passes a round of hillybilly assholes 1/2 oz Jack Daniel's® Tennessee whiskey 1/2 oz Jagermeister® herbal liqueur 1/2 oz peppermint schnapps Layer in shot glass and shoot. hehehe all gameplay aside. I am seriously amused by you. I like you. even if you are scummy scum scum
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