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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 3, 2011 19:51:17 GMT -5
And just to get things moving: Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] For this statement: i am TOWN and i hope there really is a LIE DETECTOR. Since none of us know what charlie really hopes, there is no way for a lie detector to evaluate that statement. Bill's statement is also impossible to evaluate before Friday.[/quote] I AM TOWN.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 3, 2011 19:52:52 GMT -5
@SP: happy now? nice try. and i still hope there is a LIE DETECTOR.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 3, 2011 19:58:54 GMT -5
Good catch. I hadn't thought of that. I'm Town. By your own reasoning D1#79 aren’t you doing it again? Aren't I doing what again? <snip> Bill's statement is also impossible to evaluate before Friday. Does the lie detector have to verify the truth of an entire statement and/or post? Or could he/she not just ask if part of a statement is true? You'd have to ask SisC that question (and I doubt you'll get an answer) Everyone else who made an "I'm Town" type of statement made a clear and simple statement, easy to evaluate. Only gnarlycharlie and BillMc made 'compound statements', and of those only charlie's is impossible to evaluate as a whole. It ain't much, but it's good enough for the first vote of the game, I think.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 3, 2011 20:02:08 GMT -5
And charlie hadn't made his last couple posts when I started composing that.
Unvote: gnarlycharlie Vote: BillMc
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Post by special on May 3, 2011 20:30:34 GMT -5
I'm flashing back to Dirx's sock mafia on Giraffe.
Especially with Suburban's avatar...
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Post by LightFoot on May 3, 2011 21:18:03 GMT -5
Ah-hem. A "False" reading on your statement does not rule out PFK or 3rd party. Good catch. I hadn't thought of that. I'm Town. By your own reasoning D1#79 aren’t you doing it again? Aren't I doing what again? ~~snip~~ Who knows what you thought of How is THIS different? My alignment is Town. My ass is fabulous. *one of these things is a lie Or are you working off the premise that it is ONE line from the post instead of the one post . I've never dealt with a lie detector before so I ask.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 3, 2011 21:37:53 GMT -5
Or are you working off the premise that it is ONE line from the post instead of the one post . I've never dealt with a lie detector before so I ask. Ah, now I understand your question. I am working off the premise that it is one sentence that is the relevant snippet of text for a lie-detector. Of course, we don't know that there is a lie detector in the game in the first place, much less what how the role would be designed if it exists.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 3, 2011 21:37:55 GMT -5
And charlie hadn't made his last couple posts when I started composing that. Unvote: gnarlycharlie [/color] Vote: BillMc [/color] [/quote] any reason you don't want to vote for Ace? she doesn't want to claim. Vote Ace093i agree with Ed. please state your alignment.
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Post by LightFoot on May 3, 2011 21:48:04 GMT -5
Or are you working off the premise that it is ONE line from the post instead of the one post . I've never dealt with a lie detector before so I ask. Ah, now I understand your question. I am working off the premise that it is one sentence that is the relevant snippet of text for a lie-detector. Of course, we don't know that there is a lie detector in the game in the first place, much less what how the role would be designed if it exists. The WiKi explaination that I found states "one post" hence my confusion. And you are correct We Don't Know what the Mod has designed for us. Awesome Town move or clever plan on CIAS's part?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 3, 2011 23:10:28 GMT -5
And charlie hadn't made his last couple posts when I started composing that. Unvote: gnarlycharlie Vote: BillMc any reason you don't want to vote for Ace? she doesn't want to claim. Vote Ace093i agree with Ed. please state your alignment. I had given gnarlycharlie and BillMc as examples of players who had made 'complex' statements, which might be an attempt to thwart a potential lie-detector. Since charlie has since clarified his statement, Bill was next on my list. As for Ace093, I actually agree in principle with his desire to remain silent on the matter. I tend to play the game close to the vest with regards to my own role, so I can sympathize with his reluctance to reveal information "just because everyone else is doing it". That being said, there is a time to stand on principle, and there is a time to 'give' a bit. With several days remaining before Dusk, I think it remains to be seen which sort of time this is.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 3, 2011 23:18:06 GMT -5
The WiKi explaination that I found states "one post" hence my confusion. And you are correct We Don't Know what the Mod has designed for us. I've only played one game with a lie detector role. In that one, it was a one-time ability, and the player was allowed to ask a direct question about another player's alignment, which we were instructed by the mod that we must answer truthfully. So, not really terribly similar at all to what we're all hypothesizing here
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Post by Colby11 on May 3, 2011 23:32:35 GMT -5
Because I didn't do this yet, I am 100% not scum or third party... (aka I'm Town)
Time to go reread and figure out what I have missed
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Post by Colby11 on May 3, 2011 23:52:36 GMT -5
Let's see. Day 1 random voting, blah, blah, blah Special Ed being nasty to a newbie, blah, blah, blah Captain Pinkies not being around until Day 3, blah, blah, blah Someone claiming vanilla, blah, blah, blah So what else have I missed for Day 1? After this, you never posted what you claimed, yet you started a mass claiming of "I'm Town". I am unsure whether it's because you haven't been on yet, so for the moment, and that reasoning alone, Vote: Cat In A Suit PS- this is mainly a stir the pot vote, and because there isn't alot of discussion, probably something that scum might do... so I might want to try to target them instead. PPS- SCUM, please don't lynch me on Night 1... please.... I always get lynched on Night 1... and I would love to at least play to Day 2, honestly.
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Post by Colby11 on May 3, 2011 23:57:54 GMT -5
PS- this is mainly a stir the pot vote, and because there isn't alot of discussion, probably something that scum might do... so I might want to try to target them instead. Might explain this better... I don't think that editing of topics is allowed, so I'm gonna edit it here... The vote above is mainly a vote to stir the pot, and to get some scum out of hiding. I think that they are mainly staying quiet, and that we should target them, since everyone did get the message that the game had started. Geez, I completely cannot type tonight.. Even reading my own comment, it sounds so scummy... so here comes the mass riot for Colby to be lynched...
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 3:26:36 GMT -5
I'm here too. Also looking at the Role List, we have the possiblility of a Lie Detector or variant playing. With that in mind: $Alignment = "Town" @ CIAS, I don't understand what you say about PHP and Java but are you suggesting we make a statement about our alignment so a possible lie detector can check whether it's true or not? $Alignment = "Town" If you check the vanilla template, Sis Coyote has put PHP variables in it for the Town and Scum vanilla possibilities as I would guess that they are the two sides that will have vanilla roles in them. A 3rd party/PFK is very unlikely to be vanilla. Yes, I was suggesting that, and used the quote from the vanilla role claim accordingly. Two things spring to mind. 1. Given the vanilla template, is it likely that named characters will be power roles and the vanilla roles all cards? 2. guiri, I'm surprised you followed my quote as is, given that the usual response to it should be "I am Town", as most other people have done. Why did you copy mine? Oh and for the record. I am Town.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 3:34:33 GMT -5
On Lie Detectors:
The Lie Detector is a wonderful thing, capable of finding the difference between truth or lies. Some lesser spotted LDs only uses a snippet of a post to determine its value, whereas the greater spotted LD is only satisfied if a full sentence is used.
As to whether this adventure will allow us to glory in the full plumage of this magnificent creature, only time will tell. We may be lucky, we may be disappointed and have to leave empty handed waiting for another opportunity to see it.
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Post by guiri on May 4, 2011 3:35:08 GMT -5
I understood you were stating your alignment for use by a possible lie detector. I did not understand the relevance of your comments about php vs java.
I am Town.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 3:37:13 GMT -5
CIAS: We're using PHP because that's the last language I worked in; it's been some 10 years since I did any java programming. Just be glad I didn't go all the way back to BASIC. Nothing wrong with BASIC, just glad I'm not writing it in COBOL
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 3:45:12 GMT -5
My alignment is also Town. This ones pings me slightly. It may just be me, but it gives a hint of knowledge about the other characters that have already claimed. You cannot say you are also Town unless you know that one of the other people who have claimed Town, are indeed Town. Hmmmmm.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 3:53:02 GMT -5
Awesome Town move or clever plan on CIAS's part? Clever plan, moi, that doesn't seem like me at all ;D But it is something to spark some discussion and get people acting in the game. Getting people talking is the best way to get the scum to out themselves, because without their words and actions we have no way to try and work out who is on what side?
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Post by CatInASuit on May 4, 2011 4:05:44 GMT -5
PS- this is mainly a stir the pot vote, and because there isn't alot of discussion, probably something that scum might do... so I might want to try to target them instead. Might explain this better... I don't think that editing of topics is allowed, so I'm gonna edit it here... The vote above is mainly a vote to stir the pot, and to get some scum out of hiding. I think that they are mainly staying quiet, and that we should target them, since everyone did get the message that the game had started. Geez, I completely cannot type tonight.. Even reading my own comment, it sounds so scummy... so here comes the mass riot for Colby to be lynched... Huh? Damn right it looks scummy. You say the scum are mainly staying quiet, so instead of voting for someone with no posts, you vote for someone with posts. Of course, some people may also just have not started the game. Also, you vote for someone that has started a discussion and got people posting whereas your reasoning for voting for me is there is not a lot of discussion and its something scum would do? Not to mention skimming as to why I started everyone side claiming. It also really pings me when someone starts saying just how scummy they look and how everyone will want to lynch them now. It always looks like trying to garner sympathy and pre-justify scummy behaviour. For Day one, that's a good start for me. vote colby11
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Post by metallicsquink on May 4, 2011 7:34:36 GMT -5
any reason you don't want to vote for Ace? she doesn't want to claim. Vote Ace093i agree with Ed. please state your alignment. I had given gnarlycharlie and BillMc as examples of players who had made 'complex' statements, which might be an attempt to thwart a potential lie-detector. Since charlie has since clarified his statement, Bill was next on my list. As for Ace093, I actually agree in principle with his desire to remain silent on the matter. I tend to play the game close to the vest with regards to my own role, so I can sympathize with his reluctance to reveal information "just because everyone else is doing it". That being said, there is a time to stand on principle, and there is a time to 'give' a bit. With several days remaining before Dusk, I think it remains to be seen which sort of time this is. I'm bothered by your phrase "there is a time to stand on principle, and there is is a time to 'give' a bit." You seem to be discounting the possibility that ace just doesn't want to lie. In other words, you seem to know what ace would say (i.e., that he is town) and think he just doesn't want to go along with the crowd. vote Suburban Plankton
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Post by metallicsquink on May 4, 2011 7:40:47 GMT -5
I had given gnarlycharlie and BillMc as examples of players who had made 'complex' statements, which might be an attempt to thwart a potential lie-detector. Since charlie has since clarified his statement, Bill was next on my list. As for Ace093, I actually agree in principle with his desire to remain silent on the matter. I tend to play the game close to the vest with regards to my own role, so I can sympathize with his reluctance to reveal information "just because everyone else is doing it". That being said, there is a time to stand on principle, and there is a time to 'give' a bit. With several days remaining before Dusk, I think it remains to be seen which sort of time this is. I'm bothered by your phrase "there is a time to stand on principle, and there is is a time to 'give' a bit." You seem to be discounting the possibility that ace just doesn't want to lie. In other words, you seem to know what ace would say (i.e., that he is town) and think he just doesn't want to go along with the crowd. vote Suburban PlanktonNETA: On re-reading this, I realize it seems a bit contradictory. Rather than "In other words", it should say "or", i.e., SP is either discounting the possibility that ace doesn't want to lie or SP knows what ace would say. I need some caffeine!
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Post by Archangel on May 4, 2011 7:51:09 GMT -5
My alignment is also Town. This ones pings me slightly. It may just be me, but it gives a hint of knowledge about the other characters that have already claimed. You cannot say you are also Town unless you know that one of the other people who have claimed Town, are indeed Town. Hmmmmm. Just a clumsy turn of phrase. I believe the people that were eager to claim town first in case of a lie detector probably are town. However, now I'm concerned about whether my statement could be properly evaluated in case some of them are NOT town, so I am going to restate it in the next post.
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Post by Archangel on May 4, 2011 7:51:46 GMT -5
I am town.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 4, 2011 7:53:40 GMT -5
Sorry for the late arrival, but it seems I can never manage to be around for the first real-life day of any game, so, you know, tradition. I'm going to place my own "I am Town" in a subsequent, separate post, for simplicity's sake, but first:
Quoth Plankton:
This makes no sense. Saying "I am Town" is not revealing information. If it is false, then it's obviously revealing nothing. If it's true, then the Scum already know that the speaker is Town (or, at least, non-Scum, which to the Scum is very nearly the same) and thus nothing is revealed. What information do you think ace is preserving here?
Me, I think ace's refusal to state that (s)he is Town is sufficient to warrant a Day One vote. If ace happened to draw Scum as a first-time player, being suddenly confronted with this lie detector thing and everyone shouting "I am Town" could well have made him/her nervous - to a first time Scum, it could seem like an impossible trap to escape. Declining with some vague language about "not revealing information" is a reasonable reaction for Scum in such a situation.
Vote: Ace
Though, if ace is indeed Town, squink's point regarding Plankton is compelling, too.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 4, 2011 7:53:56 GMT -5
I am Town.
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Post by Meeko on May 4, 2011 8:28:18 GMT -5
CIAS: We're using PHP because that's the last language I worked in; it's been some 10 years since I did any java programming. Just be glad I didn't go all the way back to BASIC. Nothing wrong with BASIC, just glad I'm not writing it in COBOL I took JAVA for a semester or two in college. I couldn't do it. Our professor asked us on the first day if we had any programming experience. I offered up that I knew LOGO. Without missing a beat she responded "Well, we all have to start somewhere." Yeah well, juvenile, but it gets the job done, oh, and you try to do graphics.... come back to me if an when you want a point and click sprite editor. I'll wait.
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Post by Meeko on May 4, 2011 8:36:46 GMT -5
Snipped. PS- this is mainly a stir the pot vote, and because there isn't alot of discussion, probably something that scum might do... so I might want to try to target them instead. Uh oh, looks like someone has been spending too much time drinking in coffee down at their local IHOP, The International House of Peeker."stir the pot" they say. Yeah, that phrase pings. a distinct Peeker aroma to that brew, but not enough for me to vote.
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Post by Archangel on May 4, 2011 8:43:25 GMT -5
Was Peeker found? (He went missing in the last game and a lot of people were concerned.)
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