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May 25, 2010 10:27:56 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 25, 2010 10:27:56 GMT -5
I agree with you on that, luv, and think it shows a certain level of unattention to the topic to characterize it as a slip.
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May 25, 2010 10:34:26 GMT -5
Post by guiri on May 25, 2010 10:34:26 GMT -5
One point timmy, I haven't made a slip. Rather it is more a really really unsuccessful gambit. I wonder if you'll have any more luck with your latest gambit: OK, lets see if we can catch Ed in a lie. I personally have had zero pm contact from Ed, but it seems some people now have trust issues with him due to some sort of conflicts. Any of you guys care to make an Ed related information dump to see if he has flat out contradicted himself whilst network building? Is this a serious suggestion? You're inviting everyone (irrespective of clan, wincon and "faction") to post whatever (1st, 2nd, or 3rd-hand) information they may have learned (through secret PMs and off-board communications) about a player and then use that information to judge whether that player has contradicted himself and deserves to be lynched?
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May 25, 2010 10:40:57 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on May 25, 2010 10:40:57 GMT -5
I submit that this is not true of you. You can not be expected to act in your own rational self-interest (defining self-interest for these narrow purposes as "attempting to achieve your win condition." Your behavior is not predictable, which is why you have to rely on attempts to achieve "trust" in order to make yourself a more appealing ally. I think this is the heart of the issue, but it is not based on anything from this game and instead based on your experiences with me in previous games. That is, your expectations of me as expressed here do not rationally follow from the facts of this game.
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May 25, 2010 10:45:47 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on May 25, 2010 10:45:47 GMT -5
I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains.
Sorry, gang, I've been more busy at work than I expected to be.
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May 25, 2010 11:21:30 GMT -5
Post by moodymitchy on May 25, 2010 11:21:30 GMT -5
I so want to say that if you don't know him in real life.... he won't be your friend on FB but I don't think that's the sort of info that LUVBWFC is after
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Day One
May 25, 2010 11:39:17 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on May 25, 2010 11:39:17 GMT -5
I'm going to withdraw my vote on Ed. I have gone back and forth a good deal here. I will simply say the following: I have received multiple reports that appeared to be conflicting regarding Ed's claims in this thread and via PM. Ed has contacted me, and directly resolved the conflicts to my satisfaction. I apologize for any confusion I have caused.
unvote Ed
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May 25, 2010 12:09:27 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 25, 2010 12:09:27 GMT -5
One point timmy, I haven't made a slip. Rather it is more a really really unsuccessful gambit. I wonder if you'll have any more luck with your latest gambit: OK, lets see if we can catch Ed in a lie. I personally have had zero pm contact from Ed, but it seems some people now have trust issues with him due to some sort of conflicts. Any of you guys care to make an Ed related information dump to see if he has flat out contradicted himself whilst network building? Is this a serious suggestion? You're inviting everyone (irrespective of clan, wincon and "faction") to post whatever (1st, 2nd, or 3rd-hand) information they may have learned (through secret PMs and off-board communications) about a player and then use that information to judge whether that player has contradicted himself and deserves to be lynched? Yes it was. At another player's suggestion. They have now changed their mind however. The pm's are going to make this game interesting.
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May 25, 2010 12:25:11 GMT -5
Post by oredigger77 on May 25, 2010 12:25:11 GMT -5
Hmm. . . Well I'm getting interesting PMs now. I think that I'd like some verification on the things that I'm hearing so I'll leave us with a tie, I think that's where we're at with Story's unvote, and continue to watch what happens.
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May 25, 2010 12:36:14 GMT -5
Post by luvbwfc on May 25, 2010 12:36:14 GMT -5
what happenws in a tie anyway? Is Ed in the lead as he reached 8 votes then dropped back to 7?
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May 25, 2010 13:34:31 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 25, 2010 13:34:31 GMT -5
Okay. Just caught up with the thread. Thankfully most of the posts since I got the Plague were people saying what I'm about to say about myself now...
"I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains."
Now that we've gotten that out of the way, I'm wondering if my PMs are working, as I haven't gotten one since before last weekend, and I was in the middle of some discussions with others at the time that seem to have dropped off the face of the planet.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 13:39:23 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on May 25, 2010 13:39:23 GMT -5
Drain Bead, I've just sent you a test PM. Please let me know if you receive it or not.
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May 25, 2010 13:44:06 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 25, 2010 13:44:06 GMT -5
As for the current votes, I'm going to make a one-off, for various reasons.
Vote: vote timmy
To characterize what luv did as a "slip" is both sloppy and misleading. I'm not sure if a blatant gambit is better or worse than a slip--I guess technically you could make the argument either way. But to know a bit about why timmy characterized it the way he did might make a difference in how we view luv. Honestly, I think I take luv at face value with the gambit--it would have been a very, very risky move to make if she were a HoC member, and I think too many of us are falling into the trap of assuming that there is a "Scum team" and that consists of HoC. While that's possible, this game was not advertised as being anything like traditional Mafia, and we probably shouldn't treat it that way until we know a little more.
The idea that there are a few HoC out there and they have to find each other and join a primary clan together in order to win is a bit crazy. Let's say they do that. And then we find one of them. We then lynch each member of their clan in order. Game over. I don't think the mods would have designed a game that works in that manner.
That having been said, if luv's roleclaim is true, there has to be a reason to have a role investigator in the first place. And that means that there have to be people who are motivated to lie about their roles in a way that I am not.
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May 25, 2010 13:47:41 GMT -5
Post by special on May 25, 2010 13:47:41 GMT -5
The idea that there are a few HoC out there and they have to find each other and join a primary clan together in order to win is a bit crazy. Let's say they do that. And then we find one of them. We then lynch each member of their clan in order. Game over. I don't think the mods would have designed a game that works in that manner.. How will we know which people are in those clans? Upon death, the Mods will reveal the primary clan of the dead person, but they won't reveal the other members.
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May 25, 2010 13:54:27 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 25, 2010 13:54:27 GMT -5
For some reason, I thought the clan roster would be more transparent than that. Will it just list the names of the clans and nothing else?
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May 25, 2010 13:57:38 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 25, 2010 13:57:38 GMT -5
Name of the clan and number of primary members.
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May 25, 2010 14:04:47 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on May 25, 2010 14:04:47 GMT -5
It's a one off in truest form, essentially the reasons are meaningless, since the intent says "Hey while you guys are over there slinging shit, I'll be over here keeping my hands clean". If this were mafia, I'd be calling you out high and low. I really, really don't like this vote, and If you hadn't claimed an absence, which I suspect is the real reason for this vote, I'd pushing for your lynch.
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May 25, 2010 14:08:31 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 25, 2010 14:08:31 GMT -5
But this isn't a traditional mafia game. And Drain isn't the only one to find timmy's comment slightly intriguing; I did as well. There's every legitimate reason for non-HoC to want to "keep their hands clean" if no compelling reason to dirty them presents itself. I find your vehemence misplaced.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 15:06:28 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on May 25, 2010 15:06:28 GMT -5
This isn't Mafia, yes. And in this game, not wanting to get involved in a case against either of the two lynch leaders is mainly because I want to see how much behind-the-scenes info I can get. No need to beat around the bush here; we are all doing similar things to a certain degree. It's silly to be coy and pretend we aren't.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 15:09:07 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 25, 2010 15:09:07 GMT -5
what happenws in a tie anyway? Is Ed in the lead as he reached 8 votes then dropped back to 7? In the event of a tie, either all people tied for the Vote lead will be lynched or none will. But no-one will know which until it does happen. Not even the Authors.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 15:45:28 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on May 25, 2010 15:45:28 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone to please list who they are PM'ing when they send the things and cc "The Authors". It makes things a bit clearer.
Some of you are really good at this. Some of you aren't.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 18:12:54 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 25, 2010 18:12:54 GMT -5
I just want to remind everybody that there are only 45 minutes left in which you can submit your Day action.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 18:17:03 GMT -5
Post by guiri on May 25, 2010 18:17:03 GMT -5
My vote on Oredigger isn't doing much at the moment. I'd rather make my vote count towards toDay's lynch than leave it on a one-off. I've reviewed the cases made against each of the two lynch leaders (condensed version): luv's first votes were in response to his breadcrumb, seemingly wanting to signal his pals in the HoC. He gained two more due to the likelihood of being a member of the HoC ( #261 and #262), then he claimed assassin/detective and gained two further votes for probably being in the HoC ( #299 and #329). Overall it seems there's a fair number of players who still think he's a member of the HoC and if not, still a danger to them or their clans. Special Ed was voted for not being in or not wanting to be in the voter's clan ( #191/200, #268, #274), for being a HoC ( #230), for being an agressive player AND not in the voter's clan ( #276), for not including the voter in his deals ( #346) and, curiously, because a member of his clan could be HoC ( #358). Most of these votes are in response to Ed's suggestion, to those looking for a place to vote, to make a principle vote on players who posted their wincon early (and thus prevented handshaking) ( #191). Vote: luvbwfc Breadcrumb, assassin, puppet.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 18:59:37 GMT -5
Post by special on May 25, 2010 18:59:37 GMT -5
Have NOT made the statement
BillMc Hal Briston Zeriel zuma
Order in which the statement was made
Special Ed Red Skeezix DarkCookies Idle Thoughts Mahaloth sinjin nphase Captain Pinkies fisheroo moody mitchy Total Lost luvbwfc Guiri Honest Moley storyteller Oredigger77 Pleonast peeker timmyfellinthewell Sister Coyote Drain Gead
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:00:38 GMT -5
Post by The Authors on May 25, 2010 19:00:38 GMT -5
Ok, the deadline for Day actions has arrived. You have exactly 24 hours before Dusk.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:09:15 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on May 25, 2010 19:09:15 GMT -5
Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on
But to keep Ed happy
"I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains."
Tho I do seem to recall that in the Princess Bride game, one of the scum had an action that could only be used on folk who had said a particular phrase - so we possibly have just all made ourselves eligible for some action.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:13:04 GMT -5
Post by special on May 25, 2010 19:13:04 GMT -5
Looks like I have a lot of reading to catch up on But to keep Ed happy "I am neither the Master of the Deck of Dragons nor am I a member of the House of Chains." Tho I do seem to recall that in the Princess Bride game, one of the scum had an action that could only be used on folk who had said a particular phrase - so we possibly have just all made ourselves eligible for some action. How interesting that you come in with this 9 minutes after the deadline for Day actions.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:17:13 GMT -5
Post by Renata on May 25, 2010 19:17:13 GMT -5
(Totally OT, I once witnessed a game with a trigger phrase like that myself -- it was a serial killer triggered by the phrase "I'm a townie" or anything like it. Absolutely hilarious.)
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:25:03 GMT -5
Post by special on May 25, 2010 19:25:03 GMT -5
May I have your attention, please?
For those of you who were not in Space Hijack, let me say this:
I informed you that at least 1 member of at least 1 of my clans was a Lie Detector. That member happens to be me, Silverfox.
I investigated one of the statements made toDay. That statement was returned as "true"
I know of one player who is neither the Master of the Deck nor a member of the House of Chains.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 19:33:04 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on May 25, 2010 19:33:04 GMT -5
Ugh -- my apologies to everyone for vanishing. Nothing major, just work and family taking up too much time. The next 24 hours will bring welcome relief (read: the deadline for this project) -- I'll be catching up shortly.
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Day One
May 25, 2010 22:58:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on May 25, 2010 22:58:20 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone to please list who they are PM'ing when they send the things and cc "The Authors". It makes things a bit clearer. Some of you are really good at this. Some of you aren't. *cough cough* have you received about the fucking quadzillion from me. bastards.
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