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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 10:41:55 GMT -5
I have shared my name with people I trust. With them I have also shared the fact that I have a one-shot-powery-thing (and I'll not share it with people trying to lynch me ) I almost tripped over the magic bag - yeah youur one shot power was most likely your kill of Ed And Bill - come on - you know we were joking about secret identities in that thread. I'm not accusing you of being the "joker" for the comments you made. But you're free to call me Cat when ever you like You said I should have kept the secret longer - sorry but I didn't talk about cats in the main thread. Your "secret" is that you are the motdd. And you say I am wrong, yet don't back it up with a vote? Of course, if I did die, it would prove that I am not the MotDD, and then suspicion would be back on you.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 10:42:15 GMT -5
But he really seem to want to get rid of me. Now that is one big threat to my personally wincon I am a threat to your PERSONAL wincon? You mean you don't have the Ascendent wincon of HoC Eliminated and MotDD dead. Really? ? you have a night 3 result? with Drain blocking everyone. Liar. No result is still a result, isn't it It shows us things and tells us something about whats going on in the game. A cloaked offer of sharing a "no result" - you had no result to share.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 10:43:24 GMT -5
BILLMC
BILLMC
TOTAL
BILLMC
TOTAL
TOTAL
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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 10:46:26 GMT -5
Ok, I think there's a good chance that the MoDD is a person who hasn't publicly "claimed" a role. In the last game I was in ("Smasher Mansion 1") three out of the last five people to publicly claim were scum. That seems to happen fairly often on this board. At any rate, I think there's a good chance that the MoDD is somebody who's gone under-the-radar and who I don't know much about. Well obviously Total is under your radar.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 16, 2010 10:50:19 GMT -5
What possible reason would I have for claiming? I disagree with Pleo's statement from Day One that transparency is Best for All.
Ed confirmed that I am neither the MoDD nor a member of the House of Chains. And he confirmed this to other people. And that's all I feel like saying about that.
I'm still on the fence about the Bill and Total show versus Storyteller and Pleo, which is why I haven't placed a vote yet.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 11:04:41 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence about the Bill and Total show versus Storyteller and Pleo, which is why I haven't placed a vote yet. Oh you want a show? I'll give you two for the price of one. Lynch Total, and Story will ascend and leave the game too. Total is the MotDD Story is the last HoC - as he said himself, there is only one more.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 16, 2010 11:29:23 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence about the Bill and Total show versus Storyteller and Pleo, which is why I haven't placed a vote yet. Oh you want a show? I'll give you two for the price of one. Lynch Total, and Story will ascend and leave the game too. Total is the MotDD Story is the last HoC - as he said himself, there is only one more. Or, we lynch storyteller and eliminate the player we are certain we need to, rather than lynch a player based on a single accusation. I am also doubtful that story is the last HoC. If he were, why doesn't he claim so? Why does he disclaim his previous statement about his membership in the HoC, if he doesn't have something to hide? His opacity indicates there is something that he must hide from players he doesn't trust. Perhaps the fact that he is not the last HoC.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 16, 2010 12:29:47 GMT -5
Or, we lynch storyteller and eliminate the player we are certain we need to Are we? so don't believe any of the HoC PM's that have been in circulation that state that the HoC wincon is non-exclusive?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 16, 2010 12:41:29 GMT -5
Well I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm not sure if I believe BillMC, however I am sure that Total is part of Story's "let me control the entire game" voting block, and since she has more votes and I'd like that voting block broken up, and of course since she voted for me since Drain Bead has decided to aid the people trying to kill her, I think I'll go ahead and Vote Total Lost
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 16, 2010 14:44:42 GMT -5
Or, we lynch storyteller and eliminate the player we are certain we need to Are we? so don't believe any of the HoC PM's that have been in circulation that state that the HoC wincon is non-exclusive? I don't really care what the claimed HoC win condition is. My win condition is that I must eliminate all HoC members. Lynching story advances that goal. Lynching Total may advance that goal, too, but I don't trust you enough to lynch her on your say-so. I'm going with the safe lynch.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jun 16, 2010 18:00:22 GMT -5
When does the Day end again?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jun 16, 2010 18:12:11 GMT -5
A couple of things. 1. Dusk will fall Today on Thursday 17th June at 8:00pm EST. 2.Deadline for submission for Day actions is Wednesday 16th June at 8:00pm EST. Nevermind...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 16, 2010 18:36:25 GMT -5
Well I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm not sure if I believe BillMC, however I am sure that Total is part of Story's "let me control the entire game" voting block, and since she has more votes and I'd like that voting block broken up... [/color][/quote] I'm inclined to agree with all of this reasoning, and will join in with a Vote: Total Ulla
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 3:15:24 GMT -5
I don't really care what the claimed HoC win condition is. My win condition is that I must eliminate all HoC members. Lynching story advances that goal. Lynching Total may advance that goal, too, but I don't trust you enough to lynch her on your say-so. You don't care that you don't actuall *NEED* Story dead to fulfill your wincon? I'm going with the safe lynch. Safe?? You mean pointless. As it was already demonstrated yesterDay, Story and the voting block already control the lynch, so your chances of lynching him are exactly zero. Well I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I'm not sure if I believe BillMC, however I am sure that Total is part of Story's "let me control the entire game" voting block, and since she has more votes and I'd like that voting block broken up, and of course since she voted for me since Drain Bead has decided to aid the people trying to kill her, I think I'll go ahead and Vote Total LostExactly! I am also doubtful that story is the last HoC. If he were, why doesn't he claim so? Why does he disclaim his previous statement about his membership in the HoC, if he doesn't have something to hide? His opacity indicates there is something that he must hide from players he doesn't trust. Perhaps the fact that he is not the last HoC. He is the last HoC. - he's safe in the knowledge that he can't be lynched due to controlling the vote
- he's protected at night by Normal and possibly others
- Total/MotDD doesn't appear to need him dead, so she won't touch him
- if Total is being honest about the sword, then on a coin flip, someone in the voting block now has it.
- and as I mentioned previously, it's quite possible that Story did know that Total was the Motdd and doesn't care, as she is no threat to him.
So he's hanging around to keep the voting block together and no doubt they will all show up just before Dusk and mass vote on someonea This unfortunately it appears to have turned into a very dull game (apologies to the MOD's) but I think the rest of the game is going to be just as exciting as today. If this was a standard mafia game, then they control the vote, and it's game over.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 3:45:48 GMT -5
And one further thing, it appears that the voting block isn't that concerned about me potentially stopping the lynch of their choice. Based on that, and the way that my PM is worded "If your power usage is successful", then I'm guessing that someone in the block has the power to stop/override/negate me.
Out of everyone who lynched Cap yesterday, the only person I have no information about is Guiri, so I would guess that if there is someone who can interfere, it is Guiri.
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 3:48:21 GMT -5
Funny, we almost cross-posted. I was about to ask you whether you consider a group of players voting together to be worse than a single player deciding to cancel the lynch, against the wishes of the majority...
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 3:54:08 GMT -5
Funny, we almost cross-posted. I was about to ask you whether you consider a group of players voting together to be worse than a single player deciding to cancel the lynch, against the wishes of the majority... against the wish of teamstory you mean.
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 3:55:49 GMT -5
I didn't know team story wanted to lynch Mahaloth. From your comments, I thought you were not on "team story":
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 3:59:18 GMT -5
Why would Mahaloth need to lie about his name? Sorry, I must have missed this. I don't know why he needed to do it but he did:
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 7:07:37 GMT -5
Funny, we almost cross-posted. I was about to ask you whether you consider a group of players voting together to be worse than a single player deciding to cancel the lynch, against the wishes of the majority... against the wish of teamstory you mean. You're being a real tool with this, you know that, right? -------- For my part, my vote toDay is an easy choice. Anyone who has worked with me at any point during this game will know that I have been pretty straightforward in my dealings, and when I have made agreements, I have stuck to them. That was my strategy when the game started - to make only deals to which I could honestly adhere, and then to adhere to them. The flip side of that strategy is that a player who makes a deal and then reneges on it must be killed if even remotely possible. Whatever your current affiliation in this game, there is one player who has demonstrated - even explicitly stated - that he has no particular loyalty, no interest in adhering to his word, no interest in revealing truthful information about anyone or anything, no willingness to commit to anything other than being "a creature of chaos." Others may consider such a creature to be a good idea to have around as we near the late game, but I urge them to reconsider this belief. Easy vote toDay, for me at least. vote misterblockey
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 8:05:51 GMT -5
You're being a real tool with this, you know that, right? No more than you are.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 8:22:21 GMT -5
You're being a real tool with this, you know that, right? No more than you are. If you say so. "Being a jerk to everyone" is a valid strategic choice, I guess.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 8:33:26 GMT -5
If you say so. "Being a jerk to everyone" is a valid strategic choice, I guess. I think you are looking in the mirror
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 8:36:39 GMT -5
For my part, my vote toDay is an easy choice. Anyone who has worked with me at any point during this game will know that I have been pretty straightforward in my dealings, and when I have made agreements, I have stuck to them. That was my strategy when the game started - to make only deals to which I could honestly adhere, and then to adhere to them. I love the holier than thou attitude does that include the offer you made me? turn against my allies and snuggle up to you. As I said before, I have nothing personal against you, but if you want to make it personal, fair enough.
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Post by Renata on Jun 17, 2010 8:56:25 GMT -5
Bill, how do you rationalize your railing against "team story" when you're up to your neck in collusion with at least one member of that "team"?
vote: Blockey[/color]
An easy choice for me, too. He's either a killer or controls one, and he's against me personally as well as by association. And I for one think he's at least as likely to be the MoDD as Ulla is.
Did you kill Ed, Blockey?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 9:19:31 GMT -5
does that include the offer you made me? turn against my allies and snuggle up to you. Yup. I made every offer in good faith. You will notice that, as promised, you have not received a single vote and no one has acted against your interests - in spite of the fact that you are actively trying to undermine the group with which I am working. Do you think I made an offer to you without discussing it with everyone with whom I am allied? You make too many assumptions. But if you can show where I betrayed or reversed any deal I made with you, please do. You turned me down. I am under no obligation to honor my half of a deal that is rejected. There's no "holier-than-thou" going on here, by the way. My strategy is exactly that: a strategy. There's no "ethics" or "morals" involved here; it's a game. I don't judge anyone negatively on a personal level for choosing a different strategy or a different path. blockey's approach is perfectly valid and ethical, and may prove to be a better approach than mine. Any "holier-than-thou" you're perceiving is entirely coming from your own imagination. I have been intensely non-personal. You, on the other hand, have been condescending to every single person who doesn't see the game the same way you do.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 9:27:33 GMT -5
You know what - forget it. I'm not going to ruin a great game by getting into an argument. Apologies to the mods and the other players.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 9:27:48 GMT -5
Bill, how do you rationalize your railing against "team story" when you're up to your neck in collusion with at least one member of that "team" Wow? Sinjin asking my name is collusion....McCarthy?
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 17, 2010 9:47:25 GMT -5
I have been intensely non-personal. Your attacks against me were personal.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 17, 2010 9:50:54 GMT -5
I don't really care what the claimed HoC win condition is. My win condition is that I must eliminate all HoC members. Lynching story advances that goal. Lynching Total may advance that goal, too, but I don't trust you enough to lynch her on your say-so. You don't care that you don't actuall *NEED* Story dead to fulfill your wincon? The lynching of storyteller will advance me towards meeting my win conditions. There is no one else to lynch that I can be certain of that.
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