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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 9:53:47 GMT -5
I have been intensely non-personal. Your attacks against me were personal. Not at all. I am very sorry that you feel that way. On a personal level, I like and respect you, and I enjoy playing Mafia with you very much. I did not feel then (and obviously do not feel now, given your aggressive approach to me) that you would be a good ally in this particular game, given your historical playstyle, but that is a game-based judgment, not a personal one. I apologize if anything in my tone or word choice suggested otherwise.
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Post by Renata on Jun 17, 2010 9:55:06 GMT -5
Bill, how do you rationalize your railing against "team story" when you're up to your neck in collusion with at least one member of that "team" Wow? Sinjin asking my name is collusion....McCarthy? I wasn't talking about Sinjin, why do you assume I was?
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Post by The Authors on Jun 17, 2010 10:44:14 GMT -5
Vote Count
Total (4): BillMc 4, moodymitchy 32, blockey 68, SisC 72 storyteller (1): Pleonast 22 blockey (4): Drain 44, Total 57, story 79, nphase 84 fisheroo (1): sinjin 46, peeker 47 SisC (1): moley 58 Not Voting (7): Cookies, fisheroo, Guiri, sinjin, Zeriel
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 10:48:19 GMT -5
Vote CountTotal (4): BillMc 4, moodymitchy 32, blockey 68, SisC 72 storyteller (1): Pleonast 22 blockey (4): Drain 44, Total 57, blockey 79, nphase 84 fisheroo (1): sinjin 46, peeker 47 SisC (1): moley 58 Not Voting (7): Cookies, fisheroo, Guiri, sinjin, Zeriel Is the vote count correct?
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Post by The Authors on Jun 17, 2010 10:49:10 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 10:50:13 GMT -5
Blockey voted himself? Cool, he really must want to be out of the game.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 10:53:02 GMT -5
Vote CountTotal (4): BillMc 4, moodymitchy 32, blockey 68, SisC 72 storyteller (1): Pleonast 22 blockey (4): Drain 44, Total 57, blockey 79, nphase 84 fisheroo (1): sinjin 46, peeker 47 SisC (1): moley 58 Not Voting (7): Cookies, fisheroo, Guiri, sinjin, Zeriel Blockey is voting for himself AND Total? And "Not Voting" = 7? Two uncast mystery votes/voters?
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Post by The Authors on Jun 17, 2010 10:54:29 GMT -5
Blockey voted himself? Cool, he really must want to be out of the game. Ok, that was a mistake. In future, if you have a question about the vote counts, it would be helpful if you specified what you thought was incorrect.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jun 17, 2010 14:38:20 GMT -5
The street has not failed me so far, and the street has a lot to say about Blockey, i.e. he's slippery, he's lied, he's threatened, he's back-stabbed, he's potentially very powerful, he's volatile, he's unpredictable.
The street doesn't have much to say about Total, aside from Bill standing on the corner warning us all that he has foreseen that she is the deliverer of our pending doom.
The one-off cases aren't really compelling either.
Vote Blockey[/color]
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 15:12:43 GMT -5
Well if you are to sure I am wrong, the same side bet with Peeker is open to all.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 17, 2010 15:17:23 GMT -5
Ah balls... I'm the swing vote AGAIN it seems.
BillMC suggests that TotalLost is under my radar. Not true. I'm not clanned with her, but I've heard enough "rumours" about her power. Same goes for Blockey. I don't think I've ever played a game where so much of my voting has been based on pure speculation and rumour.
In any case... Unvote Coyote and Vote Blockey.
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Post by sinjin on Jun 17, 2010 15:40:44 GMT -5
vote BlockeyHis power scares me. His avatar does too.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 17, 2010 15:43:47 GMT -5
Well, despite thinking storyteller is the best lynch, Total Lost is better than MrBlockey. A single accusation of MotDoD carries more weight than a bunch players complaining that someone doesn't play the way they like. unvote storyteller vote Total Lost
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 17, 2010 15:43:53 GMT -5
sigh, this is why I hoped to break story's block. This is why I tried to kill story in the first place. Good luck with your boring game guys, you've officially handed it to story's innermost circle.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 17, 2010 15:45:25 GMT -5
Oh and by innermost circle I don't mean the whole alliance. The whole reason why I decided I couldn't stay with story is that it was very clear that the majority of that alliance will be discarded like so much dead weight when they are no longer useful.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 17, 2010 16:07:06 GMT -5
Oh and by innermost circle I don't mean the whole alliance. The whole reason why I decided I couldn't stay with story is that it was very clear that the majority of that alliance will be discarded like so much dead weight when they are no longer useful. See, people can keep saying this, but it won't get any less false with repetition.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 17, 2010 16:09:46 GMT -5
Oh and by innermost circle I don't mean the whole alliance. The whole reason why I decided I couldn't stay with story is that it was very clear that the majority of that alliance will be discarded like so much dead weight when they are no longer useful. See, people can keep saying this, but it won't get any less false with repetition. Even if you feel that's not true, the game simply won't work any other way. You can protest that it's false all you want but the only reason your alliance is holding together is that every one who's expendable is deluding themselves into thinking they're not.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 17, 2010 16:10:42 GMT -5
Oh and by innermost circle I don't mean the whole alliance. The whole reason why I decided I couldn't stay with story is that it was very clear that the majority of that alliance will be discarded like so much dead weight when they are no longer useful. See, people can keep saying this, but it won't get any less false with repetition. Does this mean you are in ONLY ONE Clan then and that's how it's going to stay until endgame??
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 16:16:13 GMT -5
According to the role PM, HoC members cannot join clans, cannot declare a primary clan, and cannot win with a clan. When Zuma, Red and Pinkies died, no clan membership was shown...
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 17, 2010 16:17:35 GMT -5
Story's a chain. He doesn't care about any of the other people in his alliance, beyond their ability to keep him alive to a win. Clans have no impact on his win at all. That's how he can lie about or delude himself into believing that his alliance isn't going to just start shedding the expendable the instant they can afford to do so vote wise.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 17, 2010 16:34:30 GMT -5
That seems to be the whole point of his alliances. Use one another to get everyone to endgame, at which point it returns to every man for himself.
I see you didn't answer the question directed to you upthread. Were you responsible for Ed's death? And as a corollary, if you weren't, who do you suspect was?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 17, 2010 16:38:08 GMT -5
I got redirected the same way you did DrainBead. The only reason I thought I was responsible is that we both targeted the same person and YOU said that you were redirected to ED.
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Post by moodymitchy on Jun 17, 2010 16:42:08 GMT -5
According to the role PM, HoC members cannot join clans, cannot declare a primary clan, and cannot win with a clan. When Zuma, Red and Pinkies died, no clan membership was shown... I at first thought you'd put "according to your" role PM... so I went and checked mine and mine said now't about HOC's not being able to join clans so I went and checked again and see you actually put "The role PM" so off I trots to the crippled gods tent to take a look there. The only sample PM I could find there mentioned nothing of HOC's not being able to join a clan either. Though I do remember something with CAPTAIN PINKIES when he decided to out himself saying that they couldn't join clans but the would give the impression that they would. I'm not disputing your point I'm just asking for clarification as to where you saw it. Also I'm wondering why there seems to be this "block" of people so keen to protect STORYTELLER . But I guess they must have their reasons.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 17, 2010 16:57:49 GMT -5
Your attacks against me were personal. Not at all. I am very sorry that you feel that way. On a personal level, I like and respect you, and I enjoy playing Mafia with you very much. I did not feel then (and obviously do not feel now, given your aggressive approach to me) that you would be a good ally in this particular game, given your historical playstyle, but that is a game-based judgment, not a personal one. I apologize if anything in my tone or word choice suggested otherwise. I somehow missed this post until now. [ game theory ] Ah, I understand you better. Your statements felt personal because you used your experiences from our previous games. I guess for me anything from outside the particular game I'm in feels personal. While I may modify my approach based on past games, I try not to base any decisions about specific players on their play from previous games. To put in a more neutral perspective, from past experience (mostly with peekercpa) I do not like trying to puzzle out what other players mean in their posts. I will vote a player for making opaque posts. This sometimes mean voting for peeker, but it's not because of his past history of gobbley-speak; it's from his current actions. I certainly wouldn't attack him for his past. Your attacks felt like you were using my past actions to justify your attacks on me, despite the fact that my actions in this game did not have any resemblance to those past actions. That feels personal. But I do not feel insulted and my respect for you as a player and game designer is not affected. [ /game theory ]
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Post by Zeriel on Jun 17, 2010 17:05:44 GMT -5
I at first thought you'd put "according to your" role PM... so I went and checked mine and mine said now't about HOC's not being able to join clans so I went and checked again and see you actually put "The role PM" so off I trots to the crippled gods tent to take a look there. The only sample PM I could find there mentioned nothing of HOC's not being able to join a clan either. Though I do remember something with CAPTAIN PINKIES when he decided to out himself saying that they couldn't join clans but the would give the impression that they would. I'm not disputing your point I'm just asking for clarification as to where you saw it. I've been in at least one clan which has had HoC member(s) reveal their PM in an attempt to do what storyteller is accused of doing. Pinkies wording matched theirs. Additionally, the HoC members have had no listed clans upon death, which means I'm willing to buy it. On a personal level, given what I know of the clan and meta-clan organization right now, this game is going to get a lot less boring in another 2-3 days--I can think of at least two different things (story dying or the MoDD dying) which will most likely fragment their meta-clan and liven things up.
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 17:08:13 GMT -5
@ Moody, Pinkies posted his full role PM here. The final paragraph refers to his inability to join clans and to become a primary member: Pinkies also posted this paragraph previously and both you and I questioned him about it. He claimed that his membership of a clan would appear in the daily clan roll, I disagreed as only primary members are shown on the clan roll and, as he could not declare primary membership, there was no way his pretend membership would be reflected in the clan roll.
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Post by Drain Bead on Jun 17, 2010 17:39:20 GMT -5
I got redirected the same way you did DrainBead. The only reason I thought I was responsible is that we both targeted the same person and YOU said that you were redirected to ED. Another blatant lie, just like when you told me and Ed that you were aiming at peeker that night, not story. If you were telling us the truth then, you wouldn't have been redirected in the first place. Is there a single person in this game who can say that you've been truthful with them the entire time? Because I've talked to a lot of people, and I haven't found a one.
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Post by guiri on Jun 17, 2010 17:58:36 GMT -5
Before it's too late, I'm going to:
Vote: Blockey
He's not in my clan.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 17, 2010 18:13:38 GMT -5
can we have an official vote count please?
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Post by The Authors on Jun 17, 2010 18:21:02 GMT -5
Vote Count
Total (5): BillMc 4, moodymitchy 32, blockey 68, SisC 72, Pleo 102 storyteller (0): Pleonast 22 blockey (8): Drain 44, Total 57, story 79, nphase 84, Cookies 98, moley 100, sinjin 101, guiri 117 fisheroo (1): sinjin 46, peeker 47 SisC (0): moley 58 Not Voting (4): fisheroo, Zeriel
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