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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 6:50:40 GMT -5
Hi guys. I'm here and will do my best to be active (just started another new job a few weeks ago that's keeping me busy but I'm home sick today). I'm going to read to catch up and will comment as I'm reading.
Thanks,
Archangel
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Post by michelehunter on May 18, 2012 7:04:06 GMT -5
Sorry Cat, to me taking an unknown with me is NOT a power role, chances are greater than not that I will mistakenly pick a town and not scum. I have no powers to help town is what I mean. No, this is not a good explanation and contradicts yourself. Your initial quote was that you were vanilla. A vanilla is someone with no power at all and has been clarified. From your statement above - you cannot say you are a vanilla Town. You did not try to explain why you initially described yourself as vanilla. In other words: You are scum. I have never asked any one to change their vote!!!! And sorry but you're insight on the roles will be proven wrong and already has or how else would lightfoot have died? ?? Do you think scum killed their own LOL
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Post by CatInASuit on May 18, 2012 7:17:22 GMT -5
I have never asked any one to change their vote!!!! And sorry but you're insight on the roles will be proven wrong and already has or how else would lightfoot have died? ?? Do you think scum killed their own LOL If a Crazy Townie was targeted on Night 1, then the Crazy Townie would also be dead alongside the Scum NK'er. I don't see a Crazy Townie amongst the dead, do you?
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Post by allyjayne on May 18, 2012 7:40:56 GMT -5
Argh! Finally been able to get back on the forum and it looks like I have loads to read up on, just checking in for now, but will be casting my vote shortly
How long is left of Day 2 please?
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Post by kagemoto on May 18, 2012 8:01:52 GMT -5
Snipped. michelehunter: I have thought over it again and I do not believe you when you say you are a Crazy Townie. First off: This game is supposed to be standard. ie. the scum only have one Night Kill. As we had four deaths, we need at least three other NK possibilities and Crazy Townie doesn't fit into it. If there is one Crazy Townie, then we only have two other unknown NK roles and if there are two Crazy Townies, we only have one extra NK. It's just not happening with four deaths on N1. Also a Crazy Town role was not hit on Night 1 as no one was stated to be a Crazy Townie. It is not impossible that the Scums only have one Nightkill in Night 1, but I think it is unlikely. Your own analysis applies here. As we had four deaths, we need at least three other NK possibilities and the "Scums only have one Nightkill" theory doesn't fit into it. We know that Doctors/Detectives/Masons have no Nightkill powers. So if the Scums only have one Nightkill, the Towns then have 3 Nightkills to make it 4. And the only possible explanation is that the other 2 unknown Power Roles (3 players according to the Roles post) performed these 3 kills. This means either all 3 unknown Power Role players can Nightkill, or at least one of the unknown Power Roles can do multiple kills. Not totally impossible, but I think it is unlikely. I think it is possible that all 3 unknown Power Role players can Nightkill, but it can be 2 Town Vigs and 1 Scum Power Role who can kill, which means Michelehunter is not Crazy Town. It is also possible that the Scums can do more than one Nightkill without a Power Role. In this case the Crazy Town claim is possible, but still unconfirmed.
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Post by allyjayne on May 18, 2012 8:09:02 GMT -5
Vote count to come soon, but this just in: LAXRULES HAS BEEN MODKILLED.Sorry, Laxrules, but you are not welcome to play mafia here any more. The reason: The newest member to say they'll sub in (in the "I need a sub" thread) is named therealslimduster. They're acting like they're brand spanking new...yet their email? Laxrules017@aol.com And if I find out you have a THIRD account already in the game, that's banned from the game, too. Please don't post in this thread anymore, thanks. Sorry if I have missed the answer to this somewhere else, there are a lot of posts to read Do we get to find out whether Laxrules was town or scum and if he had any special roles please?
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Post by CatInASuit on May 18, 2012 8:11:55 GMT -5
Snipped. michelehunter: I have thought over it again and I do not believe you when you say you are a Crazy Townie. First off: This game is supposed to be standard. ie. the scum only have one Night Kill. Apologies, for the slight confusion. In general the scum select a single person to be killed at Night, with any extra kills coming from scum power roles above and beyond the standard NK. If Idle Thoughts has changed the number of standard kills the scum get at Night above and beyond using power roles, then he has failed to mention it and the game has been mis-described. I am expecting at least one of the missing power roles to be an extra Scum NK.
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Post by Meeko on May 18, 2012 8:47:02 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Come sign up for one of the biggest games you've ever played in. It will be a marathon session of mafia with a huge number of players (most of them new and first timers). It won't be any longer than an average game, however, since more people will be dying at Night.
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Post by Meeko on May 18, 2012 8:47:38 GMT -5
If Idle Thoughts has changed the number of standard kills the scum get at Night above and beyond using power roles, then he has failed to mention it and the game has been mis-described. <font style="font-size: 12px;">Come sign up for one of the biggest games you've ever played in. It will be a marathon session of mafia with a huge number of players (most of them new and first timers). It won't be any longer than an average game, however, since more people will be dying at Night.
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Post by Meeko on May 18, 2012 8:48:14 GMT -5
NETA : FWIW Even I can't get the quotes to work right now.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 18, 2012 8:51:06 GMT -5
At first glance this looks rather sensible however, what if we all took that stand? No one would look suspicious because no one would post anything. This is a game of words, so use them. We could all decide to vote just before EOD and then where would we be? Without a game Don't you find anyone suspicious? What are your thoughts on what players are saying? This post is really pinging the hell out of me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 18, 2012 9:04:13 GMT -5
Assuming that michelehunter is scum, then whoever she targets would be confirmed as town. That's why I wanted to know who #3 on her list is. This is a dangerous assumption. In fact, it's been proven false on countless occasions. Scum can and do incriminate, vote for, and willingly lynch other Scum. And they do it for precisely the reason you point to in your post: to gain Town cred.
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Post by CatInASuit on May 18, 2012 9:07:55 GMT -5
Meeko, that description doesn't change much other than say more people will be dying at Night. It doesn't say how they will be dying at Night. Idle Thoughts has said this is a standard game, albeit with more players than usual, and so the usual rules apply. ie. One standard NK for the scum.
OTOH: it does mean that most people voting for wombat99 using the expecting more than one town will die at Night reason, might need to rethink.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 9:11:57 GMT -5
Okay...3 hours later I'm caught up with Day One. More coming.
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Post by kagemoto on May 18, 2012 9:38:45 GMT -5
I will be unavailable later today and most of this coming weekend. I will be around for the next couple of hours, but probably won't post more unless I feel there is a need to.
Players who have not yet participated in Day 1 and Day 2 discussions, up to D2#521:
50.Roosh (posted in the I need subs post, saying s/he will be participating later) 51.Dyar
Ed has quitted earlier in Day 2 and was subbed in quickly. And it is interesting that since Dyar's confirmation in Day 0, he remained absent for the whole game but no sub-in is announced. And the more interesting thing is that I have checked Dyar's account (by finding his Day 0 confirmation post and click on the name), and his last login time was earlier today. This makes me wonder if he is lurking but in fact active.
MOD Questions: 1. If you can answer this... do you consider Dyar "active" in this game even though he had made exactly 0 posts so far? 3. If Dyar is inactive, or if you can't answer Question 1, why is Dyar absent for 2 Days and there is no sub-ins for him, while other players who quitted or were absent got sub-ins?
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Post by kagemoto on May 18, 2012 9:40:34 GMT -5
NETA: I have asked only 2 MOD questions. There is no Question 2 because I put the wrong number 3 with my second question.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:02:33 GMT -5
Okay. I am now caught up. I need to go back and reread Day One again (sigh) in light of the fact that Lightfoot flipped scum. So please keep in mind the stuff I'm commenting on from Day One were my comments before I knew she was scum. This is going to be in no particular order.
1. My impression from Day One was that Meeko v. Pleonast was town on town but I find it a bit odd that it seems to have been dropped Day 2.
2. I believe Silver Jan's explanation about the name is plausible, having done that on other proboards by accident (registered with 2 accounts and then logged in on the wrong one). That doesn't mean I think she's town; I've actually got a slight scum read on her right now because she's more organized than usual. But I wouldn't vote her for the name thing.
3. Someone, I believe Mahaloth (if I'm wrong, forgive me and please correct me, but I'm not going to reread 18 pages right now to get this correct when I have to reread 23 pages of Day One again) suggested he might vote me because Ed's meltdown was scummy. I've played Mafia with Ed on and off for almost 4 years now and I've seen him do this more than once, plus he really quit the game, and I subbed in, so I think this reasoning is highly spurious and thus suspicious.
4. I believe MicheleHunter because I've played with her before and this is the way she plays town, not the way she plays scum. It's still early enough in the day where I don't see that claim as a desperate scum role.
Okay, these are general impressions, now I have some comments on specific posts so I think I'll split this into two posts.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:03:40 GMT -5
Sorry, that should say "It's still early enough in the Day."
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:07:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately I have never been able to understand how the quotes work here so I'm going to have to do them manually.
FOS jmjmn for Day One Post #142. She writes, "Well, this is easier than I thought. My vote is for Pleonast."
That post strikes me as a newbie scum bandwagon vote.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:12:05 GMT -5
Oldred's vote for Ed/me (boy, is THAT an uncomfortable split personality in post 154 of Day One, with explanation in post 155, really bothers me. She votes him for knowing too much, being an experienced player and being misleading, and then follows it with post 156 saying "hehehe unlike me a lowly townie." These 3 posts scream newbie scum to me.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:17:08 GMT -5
Supermel's post number 648 (Day One) bothers me for the same reason. She votes Starrirain, saying:
vote starrirain
1) i have to vote for someone 2) I have to follow my gut and the suggestions advice may be given in the secret lair of the scum made some sense... 3) normally i would vote as late as i could but i am offline til late tomorrow evening my time, and don't want to miss voting so have to go on very little information at this point. Hopefully there is more diaglogue and more to consider on the next 'day'.
This sounds like a newbie scum who was told "you have to vote for someone, and it's decent scum strategy to lay a vote down with some reasoning, and then disappear."
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:24:42 GMT -5
Gadarene's post # 145 in Night 1 pings the hell out of me. He seems to be scum cuddling Ed: « Reply #145 on May 14, 2012, 3:42pm » I'm not sure how I feel about Ed making a lot of sense so far this game to me. We weren't on the same page like this in Little Mermaid when we were both Town, Ed. Then again, we were both scum in Arkham, and if I had been Town there I'm not sure I would have felt you were making a ton of sense in that game either. Bottom line: I think you've been really cogent and incisive so far. Hope you're on my team. Read more: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?board=mara&action=display&thread=1923&page=5#ixzz1vEerAPuy
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:27:31 GMT -5
Sorry, hit send before completing my thought. Gadarene was very much playing the helpful veteran on Day One. That didn't bother me, I tend to do that too, both as town (because I'm a person who likes to be helpful) and as scum (because when I'm scum it's useful to appear helpful).
For that reason, I consider that a null tell, but that post really screamed scum cuddling.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 18, 2012 10:29:33 GMT -5
Mchelle71 - 7 votes (Kagemoto, Laurie Rn, Gadarene, amykb, annem, crys, jlrinmke) michelehunter - 5 votes (archangel, jmj697mn, Mahaloth, wombat99, Catinasuit) Lianne - 5 votes (guiri, Total Ullz, dizzymrslizzy, annetastic, Septimus) wombat99 - 4 votes (supermel, Pleonast, Colby11, PhoenixPhyre) archangel - 2 votes (cassiepietz, Mchelle71) Meeko - 2 votes (Suburban Plankton, patricia) Cassiepietz - 1 vote (Pleonast) Septiums - 1 vote (oldred) Gadarene - 1 vote (Meeko) Laurie RN - 1 vote (Hal) LadyRogue - 1 vote (Silver Jan)
1. Yes, I would consider Dyar inactive. 1a. I would consider a lot of others inactive too, including Brideofpez, Sharon, and amyliz. 2. I would have subbed them out a long time ago if I could have...but I have run out of subs. I will start subbing in dead players after they die if they are willing to go back in.*
*This is sometimes done**
**Obviously none of those players will be players who were scum in this game.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:30:25 GMT -5
That's it for now.
Vote Oldred for the reasons given in my post above.
I need to do some laundry and then I'll try to reread Day One again and may have further thoughts. Also, I see there are a handful of votes on me/Ed and while I'm not particularly bothered by them, I need to see what the reasoning is.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 18, 2012 10:31:24 GMT -5
Day is ending in about three and a half hours.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 18, 2012 10:32:02 GMT -5
Archangel, ED was voting for Michelehunter before you subbed in...do you wish to change that vote to Oldred?
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Post by lianne on May 18, 2012 10:37:36 GMT -5
Day is ending in about three and a half hours. I thought you said Saturday at noon - is it Saturday where you are? I have got my times wrong if so!
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 18, 2012 10:38:42 GMT -5
My mistake..I thought today was Saturday. Day will end in about 27 hours.
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Post by Archangel on May 18, 2012 10:40:28 GMT -5
Sorry, Idle, I didn't see that.
UNVOTE
[/b]Vote Gadarene[/b]
Sorry. I came back to change my vote to Gadarene, feeling the scum cuddling was equally suspicious to Oldred's posts and given the choice, I'd rather get rid of an experienced scum than a newbie scum.
So, yeah, this is my current vote.
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