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Post by kagemoto on Jun 8, 2012 12:28:39 GMT -5
I see that we have a bit less than 30 hours before the end of Day 5, and I am not as busy as I was the last couple of days, so I don't think there is a need for me to put down a vote in a rush.
Texcat is the vote leader now. I have re-read her posts for 3 times, and I still don't get a clear Town or Scum read. I do think guiri #2's post in D5#47 provides very good reasonings to suspect Texcat, and if I have to choose between the current top 3 vote leaders, Texcat would be my choice over the other 2 (Pleonast and Meeko). But I guess we have enough time to look at other players not among the vote leaders.
Here's a player I want to talk about: annem
I basically relied on guiri #2's vote history list in D5#48, and I have double-checked annem's vote history, which matches the list. I did not check other parts of the list though.
annem have voted in all Days 1-4, but she has participated in a very low rate with a total of 11 posts (3 posts in each of Days 1-3, one post in Night 2, and one vote post in Day 4). Here's her vote history:
Day 1: she voted starrirain #1 (D1#651), who was mislynched. Before the vote, starrirain #1 already have 11 votes and was the vote leader for a while. The 2 other posts included nothing substantial. Day 2: she voted mchelle71 (D2#352), who was mislynched. At the time of the vote, it was the 5th vote to mchelle71, which made mchelle71 a tie with Michelehunter #1, the vote leader at the time. There was another post after the vote post stating that she had voted in Day 2, but nothing more. Day 3: she voted endhoot (D3#60), who was lynched. The vote was the 15th vote. She came back in D3#298 to vote end of the Day. The other post was a somewhat mild self-defense response to a vote against her, which is so far the longest post, but it did not tell much. Day 4: she voted LadyRogue #1 (D4#210), who was mislynched. The vote was the 6th vote. Before her vote LadyRogue and Meeko had a 5-5 tie. Day 5: at the moment I am doing this, no post and thus no vote yet.
All 4 votes were late votes. The Day 3 vote was not "late" in time but it was a late vote comparing to other earlier votes. Of the 3 mislynch votes, there were some short reasons provided, but all of the reasons were about agreeing with or repetition of other's reasonings. Other than the votes, she added nothing to the game. There was zero discussions about other players, and the only rather long post from her is a self-defense post against a no-harm Day 3 vote when it was so obvious that endhoot would be lynched in Day 3.
One thing does tell neutrally for annem, at least for now: her voting time. All the votes were late, but the Day 2 vote was in before lianne became a vote leader, and the Day 4 vote tells nothing since Meeko is still unconfirmed. If Meeko later flips Scum, this is something we should revisit.
Anyways, the bad voting history and lack of participation pings, but I think there are more players like this. For example, crys is the next player I would check the voting history and look at more closely. For now I'm putting annem's name on my note for now, and will come back later.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 12:41:59 GMT -5
Well, it took a week, but I'm finally caught up. Actually, it took a couple hours, because this week turned out just as weird as the last one, so I didn't get back to the game until today. But having spent a fair chunk of the morning reading everything from late on Day 2 onward... Vote: Meeko I still don't think he's contributed much to the game, beyond loudly and repeatedly questioning why people are voting for him. His insistence that Pleonast investigate him makes no sense at all, and I really didn't like his vote on texcat Yesterday. Speaking of texcat, what exactly is the argument in favor of her lynch? My speed-read of the past 4 Days amounts to not a lot more than a massive skim, but I'm not seeing any reason she should be leading the voting at this point. Has texcat made any role claim at all? unvote Meekovote texcatfor 1) lack of a credible role claim. and 2) to prevent last-minute vote shenanigans that would result in my lynch. Why should texcat have claimed at this point? And what's this talk about "last minute vote shenanigans"? There was still a day and a half left until EoD at this point, and she was leading by only a single vote. It's not as if her lynch were imminent...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 12:53:49 GMT -5
I do feel I need to apologize for my participation in this game. There's a difference between "being too busy to play" and "having stuff to do, and just not getting around to opening the thread". My play in this game definitely falls into the latter category.
I think that in the future I need to avoid 'very large' games. there were simply too many names, and too many posts, for me to keep good track of what was going on. Once I 'fell behind', the task of catching up kept seeming too daunting, and since I do actually have other interests besides Mafia (yes, it's true!), it was all too easy for me to say "I'll get to it tomorrow".
Anyway, the flow of the game does seem to have slacked a bit (which is both good and bad, depending on your point of view), so I think I ought to be able to manage from here on. I will freely admit that my grasp of the intricacies of the part few Days is tenuous at best, and I'm not even going to try to figure out who's subbed in for whom at this point...
...anyway, please accept my apology for bailing on the game for 2 weeks, thanks for not killing me in the meantime, and now: Let's Do This Thing!!!1!
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 8, 2012 13:00:58 GMT -5
Has texcat made any role claim at all? unvote Meekovote texcatfor 1) lack of a credible role claim. and 2) to prevent last-minute vote shenanigans that would result in my lynch. Why should texcat have claimed at this point? And what's this talk about "last minute vote shenanigans"? There was still a day and a half left until EoD at this point, and she was leading by only a single vote. It's not as if her lynch were imminent... Well, in a few hours I'll be away from this game until Monday morning. So I need to decide where my final vote is now. I agree Meeko is a better lynch, but it looks like too few of us think that. So texcat it is. Don't you find it odd that a player who's been under lynch pressure the entire Day has not made any sort of role claim? That's as damning as the argument guiri made. I'm afraid of vote shenanigans because being near the lead means I am vulnerable to a scum or two switching their votes and getting me lynched.
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Post by texcat on Jun 8, 2012 13:19:17 GMT -5
I have nothing to claim. I am vanilla. And I fail to see how my lynch will give town any good information. Perhaps Archangel can explain that.
Vote: Meeko I do see that the Pleo/Meeko debate is going to continue every Day. If we don't deal with Meeko Today, we'll just have these conversations again Tomorrow.
I think Meeko is scum because of his defensive attitude and continued focus on himself. I don't like his continued efforts to get Pleo to investigate him, in spite of my explaining, very clearly I thought, that such an investigation would tell town nothing about either Pleo or Meeko.
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Post by supermel on Jun 8, 2012 13:28:09 GMT -5
I do feel I need to apologize for my participation in this game. There's a difference between "being too busy to play" and "having stuff to do, and just not getting around to opening the thread". My play in this game definitely falls into the latter category. I think that in the future I need to avoid 'very large' games. there were simply too many names, and too many posts, for me to keep good track of what was going on. Once I 'fell behind', the task of catching up kept seeming too daunting, and since I do actually have other interests besides Mafia (yes, it's true!), it was all too easy for me to say "I'll get to it tomorrow". Anyway, the flow of the game does seem to have slacked a bit (which is both good and bad, depending on your point of view), so I think I ought to be able to manage from here on. I will freely admit that my grasp of the intricacies of the part few Days is tenuous at best, and I'm not even going to try to figure out who's subbed in for whom at this point... ...anyway, please accept my apology for bailing on the game for 2 weeks, thanks for not killing me in the meantime, and now: Let's Do This Thing!!!1! This is the second time you have thanked us for not killing you. Reasons for not being around (yet again) seem much too detailed- to the point of defensive without offering much to go on, especially since I get the feeling you played a lot of games before. While these reasons may not scream scum- they seem odd. I may well change my mind before tomorrow- but for now ... VOTE Suburban Plankton
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 13:41:47 GMT -5
I do feel I need to apologize for my participation in this game. There's a difference between "being too busy to play" and "having stuff to do, and just not getting around to opening the thread". My play in this game definitely falls into the latter category. I think that in the future I need to avoid 'very large' games. there were simply too many names, and too many posts, for me to keep good track of what was going on. Once I 'fell behind', the task of catching up kept seeming too daunting, and since I do actually have other interests besides Mafia (yes, it's true!), it was all too easy for me to say "I'll get to it tomorrow". Anyway, the flow of the game does seem to have slacked a bit (which is both good and bad, depending on your point of view), so I think I ought to be able to manage from here on. I will freely admit that my grasp of the intricacies of the part few Days is tenuous at best, and I'm not even going to try to figure out who's subbed in for whom at this point... ...anyway, please accept my apology for bailing on the game for 2 weeks, thanks for not killing me in the meantime, and now: Let's Do This Thing!!!1! This is the second time you have thanked us for not killing you. Reasons for not being around (yet again) seem much too detailed- to the point of defensive without offering much to go on, especially since I get the feeling you played a lot of games before. While these reasons may not scream scum- they seem odd. I may well change my mind before tomorrow- but for now ... VOTE Suburban Plankton The "you're apologizing too much" I get, but my reasons are "too detailed"? If anything, I would think "I just never really got around to playing" would be not detailed enough... You've mentioned several times today that you're a new player and that you don't have a good feel for what's going on. Do you have any thoughts on our vote leaders: texcat, Pleonast, Meeko?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 8, 2012 13:44:47 GMT -5
Kagemoto I have to say I agree with you on the annem case. Her (?) votes have been consistently on town IIRC. Theres virtually no posts from her so very little to "read" on her. (hope shes a girl.)
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 13:48:10 GMT -5
Well, in a few hours I'll be away from this game until Monday morning. So I need to decide where my final vote is now. I agree Meeko is a better lynch, but it looks like too few of us think that. So texcat it is. Don't you find it odd that a player who's been under lynch pressure the entire Day has not made any sort of role claim? That's as damning as the argument guiri made. I'm afraid of vote shenanigans because being near the lead means I am vulnerable to a scum or two switching their votes and getting me lynched. Maybe it's because I basically read three Days and Nights worth of posts in a couple hours, but I don't share your sense of urgency regarding a claim. It seemed to me that the lynch was still very much 'up in the air' before your vote. Now that texcat has claimed Vanilla, does that change your view at all? If not, please convince me to change my vote, as I'm not sure what your case is. For the record, because I don't think I addressed it earlier, I think you're Town. I think people are voting for you because they don't like the fact that you claimed at the 'first minute' (or was it even before that in this case?). I don't particularly like it either, but I've come to understand that it's basically a null-tell for you.
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Post by supermel on Jun 8, 2012 13:48:44 GMT -5
This is the second time you have thanked us for not killing you. Reasons for not being around (yet again) seem much too detailed- to the point of defensive without offering much to go on, especially since I get the feeling you played a lot of games before. While these reasons may not scream scum- they seem odd. I may well change my mind before tomorrow- but for now ... VOTE Suburban Plankton The "you're apologizing too much" I get, but my reasons are "too detailed"? If anything, I would think "I just never really got around to playing" would be not detailed enough... You've mentioned several times today that you're a new player and that you don't have a good feel for what's going on. Do you have any thoughts on our vote leaders: texcat, Pleonast, Meeko? I don't get a vibe from texcat at all that says scum to me. The pleo vs meeko has my head spinning to be truly honest. I don't feel like i have a lot to go on in terms of a new player picking out someone lying about a special role. I will be reading carefully up to mid-afternoon tomorrow- and have plenty of time to change my vote. While I'm tempted to vote for one or the other just to remove the saga from the days- I don't feel strongly as to which one is lying. Perhaps as a more experienced player you will have more to add on some of the other players. I found the details on annem interesting as well and will be reading on as the day draws to a close.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 14:02:14 GMT -5
Perhaps as a more experienced player you will have more to add on some of the other players. I found the details on annem interesting as well and will be reading on as the day draws to a close. How dare you expect me to share my thoughts on other players, after I've just asked you to share your thoughts on other players! To be bluntly honest, I haven't paid much attention to anyone other than the front-runners at this point, but I'll need to remedy that. Stand by...(but don't hold your breath; I don't think I'll be that quick)
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Post by crys on Jun 8, 2012 14:09:16 GMT -5
I see that we have a bit less than 30 hours before the end of Day 5, and I am not as busy as I was the last couple of days, so I don't think there is a need for me to put down a vote in a rush. Texcat is the vote leader now. I have re-read her posts for 3 times, and I still don't get a clear Town or Scum read. I do think guiri #2's post in D5#47 provides very good reasonings to suspect Texcat, and if I have to choose between the current top 3 vote leaders, Texcat would be my choice over the other 2 (Pleonast and Meeko). But I guess we have enough time to look at other players not among the vote leaders.
Here's a player I want to talk about: annem
I basically relied on guiri #2's vote history list in D5#48, and I have double-checked annem's vote history, which matches the list. I did not check other parts of the list though.
annem have voted in all Days 1-4, but she has participated in a very low rate with a total of 11 posts (3 posts in each of Days 1-3, one post in Night 2, and one vote post in Day 4). Here's her vote history:
Day 1: she voted starrirain #1 (D1#651), who was mislynched. Before the vote, starrirain #1 already have 11 votes and was the vote leader for a while. The 2 other posts included nothing substantial. Day 2: she voted mchelle71 (D2#352), who was mislynched. At the time of the vote, it was the 5th vote to mchelle71, which made mchelle71 a tie with Michelehunter #1, the vote leader at the time. There was another post after the vote post stating that she had voted in Day 2, but nothing more. Day 3: she voted endhoot (D3#60), who was lynched. The vote was the 15th vote. She came back in D3#298 to vote end of the Day. The other post was a somewhat mild self-defense response to a vote against her, which is so far the longest post, but it did not tell much. Day 4: she voted LadyRogue #1 (D4#210), who was mislynched. The vote was the 6th vote. Before her vote LadyRogue and Meeko had a 5-5 tie. Day 5: at the moment I am doing this, no post and thus no vote yet.
All 4 votes were late votes. The Day 3 vote was not "late" in time but it was a late vote comparing to other earlier votes. Of the 3 mislynch votes, there were some short reasons provided, but all of the reasons were about agreeing with or repetition of other's reasonings. Other than the votes, she added nothing to the game. There was zero discussions about other players, and the only rather long post from her is a self-defense post against a no-harm Day 3 vote when it was so obvious that endhoot would be lynched in Day 3.
One thing does tell neutrally for annem, at least for now: her voting time. All the votes were late, but the Day 2 vote was in before lianne became a vote leader, and the Day 4 vote tells nothing since Meeko is still unconfirmed. If Meeko later flips Scum, this is something we should revisit.
Anyways, the bad voting history and lack of participation pings, but I think there are more players like this. For example, crys is the next player I would check the voting history and look at more closely. For now I'm putting annem's name on my note for now, and will come back later.I will be the first to admit that my track record for voting has not been steller. However since I have been working between 50 and 60 hours a week I haven't been able to participate as much as I had hoped. I work in a huge 4 diamond resort and this is really the beginning of our very busy season. Lynching me would be a mislynch, but I can understand how the lack of participation would be frustratingly hard to understand and determine what my alignment would be.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 8, 2012 14:09:58 GMT -5
I have nothing to claim. I am vanilla. And I fail to see how my lynch will give town any good information. Perhaps Archangel can explain that. Vote: Meeko [/color] I do see that the Pleo/Meeko debate is going to continue every Day. If we don't deal with Meeko Today, we'll just have these conversations again Tomorrow. I think Meeko is scum because of his defensive attitude and continued focus on himself. I don't like his continued efforts to get Pleo to investigate him, in spite of my explaining, very clearly I thought, that such an investigation would tell town nothing about either Pleo or Meeko. [/quote] At the very least, if you flip scum it will tell us that GuiriII is unlikely to be scum, which is important for town to know. And thanks for this post. I was slightly worried that you might be playing differently because you were a remaining doctor but claiming vanilla town takes that worry away for me. Your play feels different this game, much more careful, so the vanilla town claim makes me feel better about the vote.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 8, 2012 14:29:42 GMT -5
Now that texcat has claimed Vanilla, does that change your view at all? If not, please convince me to change my vote, as I'm not sure what your case is. Not really. A forced vanilla claim is equivalent to no claim at all. And, this sudden surge of votes on Meeko makes me suspicious. Yes, they need to be lynched, but with a Detective close to being lynched, I'm nervous of splitting the town vote between two scum. I'll be keeping my vote on texcat. There is some honest disagreement with my tactics (still a poor reason to vote, though). But I think a lot of it is manufactured. Besides the obvious scum pushing my lynch, I think there's a few others throwing suspicion my way to let the newbie players feel more comfortable voting for me.
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Post by texcat on Jun 8, 2012 15:19:18 GMT -5
I have nothing to claim. I am vanilla. And I fail to see how my lynch will give town any good information. Perhaps Archangel can explain that. Vote: Meeko [/color] I do see that the Pleo/Meeko debate is going to continue every Day. If we don't deal with Meeko Today, we'll just have these conversations again Tomorrow. I think Meeko is scum because of his defensive attitude and continued focus on himself. I don't like his continued efforts to get Pleo to investigate him, in spite of my explaining, very clearly I thought, that such an investigation would tell town nothing about either Pleo or Meeko. [/quote] At the very least, if you flip scum it will tell us that GuiriII is unlikely to be scum, which is important for town to know. And thanks for this post. I was slightly worried that you might be playing differently because you were a remaining doctor but claiming vanilla town takes that worry away for me. Your play feels different this game, much more careful, so the vanilla town claim makes me feel better about the vote. [/quote] And when I flip Town? This lynching for information excuse seems pretty suspect to me. Not really. A forced vanilla claim is equivalent to no claim at all. Would you both have been happier if I had lied and said that I was a doctor? I don't get it. You wanted me to claim, and as vanilla townie, that's all I can claim.
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Post by Pleonast on Jun 8, 2012 15:35:32 GMT -5
Not really. A forced vanilla claim is equivalent to no claim at all. Would you both have been happier if I had lied and said that I was a doctor? I don't get it. You wanted me to claim, and as vanilla townie, that's all I can claim. I'd been happier if you'd claimed well before you were forced to. There's little cost for a vanilla townie to claim early. This isn't the first Day you've been close to a lynch. Why have you waited so long to claim when you've nothing to hide? Unless you're not really vanilla town...
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Post by texcat on Jun 8, 2012 15:45:49 GMT -5
Oh good grief! Talk about your lame reasons for voting someone. Really? Because I did not claim vanilla early enough? Maybe we should all just claim on N0 and be done with it.
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Post by texcat on Jun 8, 2012 15:48:40 GMT -5
NETA: And Archangel's reason may be even worse. She's not voting because she thinks I'm scum, only because she thinks she can clear Guiri if I flip scum.
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Post by guiri on Jun 8, 2012 15:58:06 GMT -5
NETA: And Archangel's reason may be even worse. She's not voting because she thinks I'm scum, only because she thinks she can clear Guiri if I flip scum. Yeah, it's a bit of a leap. When you flip scum, as I believe you will, my vote really won't say much about me. I stated my suspicion of you as PFK, now I could just as easily be scum, forced to continue suspecting you and aiming for some town cred, or town honestly following up on real suspicions. Fortunately my shelf life is typically very short and if I keep hurting scum as I have so far in the game, any doubt will be cleared up soon enough, but your reveal alone is almost a null tell about me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 8, 2012 16:26:47 GMT -5
Now that texcat has claimed Vanilla, does that change your view at all? If not, please convince me to change my vote, as I'm not sure what your case is. Not really. A forced vanilla claim is equivalent to no claim at all. And, this sudden surge of votes on Meeko makes me suspicious. Yes, they need to be lynched, but with a Detective close to being lynched, I'm nervous of splitting the town vote between two scum. I'll be keeping my vote on texcat. You still haven't explained why you're voting for texcat, except "she didn't make a claim". Is that the whole of your case against her?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 8, 2012 16:30:31 GMT -5
At the very least, if you flip scum it will tell us that GuiriII is unlikely to be scum, which is important for town to know. And thanks for this post. I was slightly worried that you might be playing differently because you were a remaining doctor but claiming vanilla town takes that worry away for me. Your play feels different this game, much more careful, so the vanilla town claim makes me feel better about the vote. And when I flip Town? This lynching for information excuse seems pretty suspect to me. Not really. A forced vanilla claim is equivalent to no claim at all. Would you both have been happier if I had lied and said that I was a doctor? I don't get it. You wanted me to claim, and as vanilla townie, that's all I can claim. And I find it interesting that the only thing you comment on is the "more information" thing, which one other person who at this time appears pro-town also found suspect (but I explained it to his satisfaction). No worries, I'm no longer lynching you for information; I'm pretty comfortable at this point that you are scum. No, no one suggested you should lie. I'm speaking solely for myself, but my point was I was mildly uneasy about voting for you for acting differently because you might be a doctor and act differently. You have eliminated that worry by stating you're not a doctor, and your subsequent responses sound very scummy to me.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 8, 2012 16:31:36 GMT -5
NETA: And Archangel's reason may be even worse. She's not voting because she thinks I'm scum, only because she thinks she can clear Guiri if I flip scum. That's complete bullshit and not what I said at all. The more you talk the more scummy you sound.
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Post by kagemoto on Jun 8, 2012 17:23:33 GMT -5
Anyways, the bad voting history and lack of participation pings, but I think there are more players like this. For example, crys is the next player I would check the voting history and look at more closely. For now I'm putting annem's name on my note for now, and will come back later. I will be the first to admit that my track record for voting has not been steller. However since I have been working between 50 and 60 hours a week I haven't been able to participate as much as I had hoped. I work in a huge 4 diamond resort and this is really the beginning of our very busy season. Lynching me would be a mislynch, but I can understand how the lack of participation would be frustratingly hard to understand and determine what my alignment would be. Honestly I find this amusing. crys, why be so overly defensive? The only thing I mentioned about you in my earlier post was your name, and nothing else. In fact, other than the vote history posts, I believe that I was the only player who mentioned you specifically with your name in Day 5, and I haven't even looked at your record yet. If you are not collecting any vote toDay, and your name is mentioned once for the whole Day without anyone voting for you, and you think people will lynch you... I guess "over-defensive" is an understatement.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2012 17:24:43 GMT -5
Texcat - 7 votes (stairrirain, guiri, Septimus, Colby11, Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, Pleonast, gnarlycharlie) Pleonast - 5 votes (Meeko, richardbeckman, Mahaloth, cassiepietz, michelehunter) Meeko - 4 votes (patricia, annetastic, Suburban Plankton, texcat) Colby11 - 2 votes (Wombat99, amykb) CatInASuit - 1 vote (oldred) patricia - 1 vote (LadyRogue) Archangel - 1 vote (SilverJan) Septimus - 1 vote (CatInASuit) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote (supermel)
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Post by crys on Jun 8, 2012 18:47:34 GMT -5
I will be the first to admit that my track record for voting has not been steller. However since I have been working between 50 and 60 hours a week I haven't been able to participate as much as I had hoped. I work in a huge 4 diamond resort and this is really the beginning of our very busy season. Lynching me would be a mislynch, but I can understand how the lack of participation would be frustratingly hard to understand and determine what my alignment would be. Honestly I find this amusing. crys, why be so overly defensive? The only thing I mentioned about you in my earlier post was your name, and nothing else. In fact, other than the vote history posts, I believe that I was the only player who mentioned you specifically with your name in Day 5, and I haven't even looked at your record yet. If you are not collecting any vote toDay, and your name is mentioned once for the whole Day without anyone voting for you, and you think people will lynch you... I guess "over-defensive" is an understatement. I'm not being defensive at all. I was merely giving you some information lol. Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards
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Post by annem on Jun 8, 2012 19:41:18 GMT -5
I see that we have a bit less than 30 hours before the end of Day 5, and I am not as busy as I was the last couple of days, so I don't think there is a need for me to put down a vote in a rush. Texcat is the vote leader now. I have re-read her posts for 3 times, and I still don't get a clear Town or Scum read. I do think guiri #2's post in D5#47 provides very good reasonings to suspect Texcat, and if I have to choose between the current top 3 vote leaders, Texcat would be my choice over the other 2 (Pleonast and Meeko). But I guess we have enough time to look at other players not among the vote leaders.
Here's a player I want to talk about: annem
I basically relied on guiri #2's vote history list in D5#48, and I have double-checked annem's vote history, which matches the list. I did not check other parts of the list though.
annem have voted in all Days 1-4, but she has participated in a very low rate with a total of 11 posts (3 posts in each of Days 1-3, one post in Night 2, and one vote post in Day 4). Here's her vote history:
Day 1: she voted starrirain #1 (D1#651), who was mislynched. Before the vote, starrirain #1 already have 11 votes and was the vote leader for a while. The 2 other posts included nothing substantial. Day 2: she voted mchelle71 (D2#352), who was mislynched. At the time of the vote, it was the 5th vote to mchelle71, which made mchelle71 a tie with Michelehunter #1, the vote leader at the time. There was another post after the vote post stating that she had voted in Day 2, but nothing more. Day 3: she voted endhoot (D3#60), who was lynched. The vote was the 15th vote. She came back in D3#298 to vote end of the Day. The other post was a somewhat mild self-defense response to a vote against her, which is so far the longest post, but it did not tell much. Day 4: she voted LadyRogue #1 (D4#210), who was mislynched. The vote was the 6th vote. Before her vote LadyRogue and Meeko had a 5-5 tie. Day 5: at the moment I am doing this, no post and thus no vote yet.
All 4 votes were late votes. The Day 3 vote was not "late" in time but it was a late vote comparing to other earlier votes. Of the 3 mislynch votes, there were some short reasons provided, but all of the reasons were about agreeing with or repetition of other's reasonings. Other than the votes, she added nothing to the game. There was zero discussions about other players, and the only rather long post from her is a self-defense post against a no-harm Day 3 vote when it was so obvious that endhoot would be lynched in Day 3.
One thing does tell neutrally for annem, at least for now: her voting time. All the votes were late, but the Day 2 vote was in before lianne became a vote leader, and the Day 4 vote tells nothing since Meeko is still unconfirmed. If Meeko later flips Scum, this is something we should revisit.
Anyways, the bad voting history and lack of participation pings, but I think there are more players like this. For example, crys is the next player I would check the voting history and look at more closely. For now I'm putting annem's name on my note for now, and will come back later.I think you've summed me up pretty well. I don't have a very good voting record, and it's probably due mostly to the fact that I'm more following the leads of other people than coming up with new ideas. As a new player, I'm still trying to figure out how to play usefully. I don't think a game with this many players is a good place for someone who's been hearing 'should participate more' since elementary school - it's too easy to let others do all the talking. I'll be back later with a vote for today.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 8, 2012 22:08:41 GMT -5
DAY IS ENDING IN ABOUT 21 HOURS
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Post by Meeko on Jun 8, 2012 22:18:22 GMT -5
I think Meeko is scum because of his defensive attitude and continued focus on himself. I don't like his continued efforts to get Pleo to investigate him, in spite of my explaining, very clearly I thought, that such an investigation would tell town nothing about either Pleo or Meeko. You all miss the fact, that if Pleonast is indeed town, he will know my alignment, regardless of what he says. Certain things are worth a lot to me. This is a certain thing.
But that only goes so far. I'm not an idiot. It's obvious my days are numbered. The conversation after my reveal will be another ""Certain Thing"". That will go a lot further.
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Post by jlrinmke on Jun 9, 2012 7:54:20 GMT -5
Due to my schedule, I have to vote now. I see texcat has 7 votes already, and pleonast is next in the vote count. I don't want to see a detective go (not sure if pleo really is one, but I'd rather not mislynch here).
Vote texcat
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Post by annem on Jun 9, 2012 10:43:44 GMT -5
A significant chunk of my day just got claimed by family, so I need to vote now. The Pleo/Meeko discussions make my head hurt, but I still don't feel like Meeko is scum, and I think it's worth giving Pleo another day rather than risk mislynching a detective. None of what's been said against Texcat has made me think she's scum, either. Certainly not the lack of role claim - most people haven't claimed anything, which is what I'd expect as most of us must be vanilla town. Anyway, the newest post when I cam in just now to catch up was this one: Due to my schedule, I have to vote now. I see texcat has 7 votes already, and pleonast is next in the vote count. I don't want to see a detective go (not sure if pleo really is one, but I'd rather not mislynch here). Vote texcatYou'd 'rather not mislynch' Pleo, so you're voting for the current vote leader without any other explanation as to why they deserve it. What if that's a mislynch? As I said, I don't feel any of the vote leaders are particularly deserving of lynching today, so I'll Vote: jlrinmke
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