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Day Two
Feb 7, 2013 21:20:47 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Feb 7, 2013 21:20:47 GMT -5
Hi, everyone. Hey, subbing is another way I get past Day One. I have a lot to catch up on and I will do my best.
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Day Two
Feb 7, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 7, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
Idle says that his clue says that Christians who die without sin go directly to Heaven (this is good) If this is true, then shouldn't we be intentionally lynching Bill or Idle since they don't have any sins? Doesn't "this is good" mean that their deaths would further the Christian wincon? I brought this up on Day One, but was reminded that if we lynch Christians, we sin. Accumulating sins might be worth it if it gets a sinless Christian to heaven. Maybe? It also would be interesting to see who *doesn't* want to see a sinless Christian go directly to heaven. Vote: BillMc Vote: Idle Thoughts
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Day Two
Feb 7, 2013 21:54:05 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 7, 2013 21:54:05 GMT -5
I brought this up on Day One, but was reminded that if we lynch Christians, we sin. Accumulating sins might be worth it if it gets a sinless Christian to heaven. Maybe? It also would be interesting to see who *doesn't* want to see a sinless Christian go directly to heaven. Vote: BillMc [/color] Vote: Idle Thoughts [/color] [/quote] Since I don't know for sure that deliberately mislynching a Christian will gain anything at all but sin for all involved, I would prefer to not do it. I could make the same argument saying it will be interesting to see who *wants* to lynch Christians. Vote: wombat99
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Day Two
Feb 7, 2013 22:00:59 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Feb 7, 2013 22:00:59 GMT -5
Re: My avoidance of talking about Para: I was overeager to warn against that. Yes. That is a thing that happened. I didn't mean "don't discuss it at all" as much as "hey let's not dawdle on this, there's scumhunting to do." It was bad timing now that I look back because, hey, now we're distracted with /me/. My intentions were well and good, though. I hope you all can see that. QQ
As for my comment on Para yesterDay, that just struck me as funny because Para and I play on the same forum and he is naturally just one of the most aggressive players, especially as town. It tickled me.
Wombat what are you doing.
Texcat, I'd like to believe that I'm actually scumhunting. And have been consistently doing so since the beginning of the game (besides that one point where I was like PARATABOO!).
And then I revoted Vote: BillMc[/color] (that's a vote, unvote, and a revote now today!). So many of his things have just been weird and reaction fishy and fishy fishy.
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Day Two
Feb 7, 2013 23:56:50 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Feb 7, 2013 23:56:50 GMT -5
I would adore an updated vote count
I'm trapped in payroll-land tomorrow AM and will have limited access
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 8, 2013 0:41:29 GMT -5
And I think that most of misterV's remarks about Bill are more accurate applied to misterV himself: weak arguments, looking like scumhunting, but not reading fully. Yep. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Something about mistervisceral's posts have been off to me. He's been flinging a lot of mud around with little to no hesitation, although at first I chalked it up to playstyle. However I vehemently don't like his vote/unvote/revote of Bill. I also don't like his vote for Lightfoot and saying "well, if he turns up Town we already have someone to blame!" Vote mistervisceral Idle says that his clue says that Christians who die without sin go directly to Heaven (this is good) If this is true, then shouldn't we be intentionally lynching Bill or Idle since they don't have any sins? Doesn't "this is good" mean that their deaths would further the Christian wincon? Reaaaaallllyyyyyy don't like this train of thought. 1. This means we take Idle 100% at his word. So far there hasn't been any contradictions, sure, but we'd be lynching based off hearsay from a player who is not confirmed Town in the slightest. 2. We don't actually know how heaven factors into our win condition in the slightest. Based off Idle, we know it exists, and Christians with no sin go there. But we don't know what effect it has on the game. I know, though, from my role PM that lynching Devils definitely helps our team. So I'd rather hunt for Devils than purposely lynch a Christian. I disagree with this train of thought strongly enough to place a vote there as well. vote wombat99
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 8, 2013 1:06:27 GMT -5
PLEO - Does DAY end on Friday or on the 9th? Friday is the 8th. Stupid calendar, always shifting around. It's the Friday the 8th. I don't do weekends. Also, the player list is up to date.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 8, 2013 1:45:33 GMT -5
Vote:
Idle Guiri Pollox Suburban
since I might live it's part of a mechanic that might help
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 1:51:13 GMT -5
Mister Visceral is a Christian.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 1:56:25 GMT -5
Since LightFoot has a similar mechanic to my own, I really don't think she is scum.
Vote Wombat99
I don't like voting for a Christian with no sins just in case they go to Heaven, Wombat, do you know more about this mechanic than I do because that just sounds crazy. I'm voting for BillMc because I think he looks scummy and he has done nothing since my vote on him to change my mind.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 8, 2013 1:58:37 GMT -5
Mister Visceral is a Christian. Because........?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 8, 2013 2:00:13 GMT -5
Mister Visceral is a Christian. Because........? He has not put up a defense- but you are Why?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 2:42:38 GMT -5
I'm very mixed on the case against Lightfoot I see where the bandwagon is going, and I agree with a lot of it, but I really don't want to throw in a "me too" vote just yet. I also agree with Idle's case on Bill. It's very ironic the offer you were scoffing at, and scoffing at Idle posting publicly yesterDay you now got, and are not only posting about it, but are declining it? Why are you declining it??? Interesting comment and timing - as I received the offer after I posted. Ironic or a stitch up? Vote: vote: dizzylizzy [/color][/quote] Wait, huh? I haven't finished the thread yet so please pardon if this has been answered, but are you saying you claimed to have recieved that PM before you actually recieved that PM?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 2:49:07 GMT -5
Accumulating sins might be worth it if it gets a sinless Christian to heaven. Maybe? It also would be interesting to see who *doesn't* want to see a sinless Christian go directly to heaven. Vote: BillMc [/color] Vote: Idle Thoughts [/color] [/quote] Since I don't know for sure that deliberately mislynching a Christian will gain anything at all but sin for all involved, I would prefer to not do it. I could make the same argument saying it will be interesting to see who *wants* to lynch Christians. Vote: wombat99 [/color][/quote] Exactly what I was going to say, just minus the vote for now. Wombat, if you're that sure that Bill and Idle are Christian and sinless, don't you think it'd be better to have them in the game and voting?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 2:54:20 GMT -5
He has not put up a defense- but you are Why? If I could vote for you again, I would. Why do you need to know the details of her role, or how she knows what she knows?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 8, 2013 3:00:12 GMT -5
He has not put up a defense- but you are Why? If I could vote for you again, I would. Why do you need to know the details of her role, or how she knows what she knows? I think she is Scum and I think it's a weird effort to protect another- I wanted to see what she had to say. This late in the Day it looks suspect- I didn't ask for details of her role I asked Why? why would anyone throw up their hand and say " OK we won't lynch him then"
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 3:25:40 GMT -5
She's a cop, Lightfoot, and she investigated MrV last night, and when he started getting heat she had to say something. She hasn't said anything more because that'd help Scum figure out what to do about her. But I think you already knew that much yourself.
The odds that she's scum, making the play she's making, are pretty danged low, and if she is then that'll come out in time. But I'm happy to add role-fishing to the list of scummy things you've done Today.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 8, 2013 4:07:15 GMT -5
Mister Visceral is a Christian. Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww craaaaaaaaaaaaap. Well when the best case you have is somebody who was the first votor of a known scum... I agree this is unlikely to be a scum gambit. Ah well, I never thought MrV was scum, so assuming this is true, I at least got one thing right this game. Unvote: HockeyMonkey.
Also Unvote: Solaris. Welcome to the game, Mahaloth and Colby. I have to head off to work in about five minutes' time and I may not be able to make it online before end of day. I don't want to vote for "no lynch" so, looking over the past cases, this seems to be the best one of the people currently on the line. I'll be happy to post more reasoning later 'cause I'm not going to have time to do it now. Vote: Wombat.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 6:57:01 GMT -5
Whoa. Apparently I'm a heretic for trying to figure out how to play the game. Everybody reread clue B (if you have it).
b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial.
We have been given two clues by the Mod with equal weight - he has told us that they are both Good if they happen - lynching Devils, and Christians dying with no sin.
Increasing sins may be beneficial. As in, it may be beneficial to lynch a Christian who is known to be sinless.
In fact, there's no downside to lynching Idle. Either what he said is true, and he goes straight to Heaven (yay) or he was lying, and he is a Devil (also yay).
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 7:13:54 GMT -5
Whoa. Apparently I'm a heretic for trying to figure out how to play the game. Everybody reread clue B (if you have it). b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. We have been given two clues by the Mod with equal weight - he has told us that they are both Good if they happen - lynching Devils, and Christians dying with no sin. Increasing sins may be beneficial. As in, it may be beneficial to lynch a Christian who is known to be sinless. In fact, there's no downside to lynching Idle. Either what he said is true, and he goes straight to Heaven (yay) or he was lying, and he is a Devil (also yay). So we just go ahead and kill all players who seem to be Town and have no sins, great plan, the Devils will love us for that one.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 7:28:17 GMT -5
I'm really uncomfortable with this, Wombat. There's nothing in my win con about getting Christians to Heaven. IF Idle is telling the truth then it may help, but why are you pushing it so hard? It makes me wonder if there's something you know that the rest of us don't. This is still Mafia, and we're going to win by lynching scum, not by lynching Town.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 7:56:35 GMT -5
I'm really uncomfortable with this, Wombat. There's nothing in my win con about getting Christians to Heaven. IF Idle is telling the truth then it may help, but why are you pushing it so hard? It makes me wonder if there's something you know that the rest of us don't. This is still Mafia, and we're going to win by lynching scum, not by lynching Town. Do you have a clearer wincon than I do? I just have the one that says to stop Devils from winning but we don't know how to do that. 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: Yes, it is still Mafia, and I realize it is unorthodox and strange to consider proactively lynching Town, but this is an unorthodox, strange, game. The clues (if true) were provided to Idle for a reason. Why are we ignoring his information?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 8:09:03 GMT -5
I'm really uncomfortable with this, Wombat. There's nothing in my win con about getting Christians to Heaven. IF Idle is telling the truth then it may help, but why are you pushing it so hard? It makes me wonder if there's something you know that the rest of us don't. This is still Mafia, and we're going to win by lynching scum, not by lynching Town. Do you have a clearer wincon than I do? I just have the one that says to stop Devils from winning but we don't know how to do that. 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: Yes, it is still Mafia, and I realize it is unorthodox and strange to consider proactively lynching Town, but this is an unorthodox, strange, game. The clues (if true) were provided to Idle for a reason. Why are we ignoring his information? No, that's the wincon for sure. But it doesn't say lynching Town is a good idea, that's for sure. To be clear, I'm not uneasy about your unorthodox ideas. This isn't a normal game, we know that, and please notice I haven't voted you yet. If you'd come out and said, hey here's a weird idea lets talk about this, I'd be much less confronted. But you didn't. Your actions are less like a random Towny with a random idea, and much more like those of a person with an already defined goal who is shoehorning available facts into a theory in support of that goal. There's a real real short list of reasons why player would act that way, and that's why I'm nervous about you. I don't think we're at the point in this game where we need to be testing wild-hare theories by lynching players we have little reason to suspect are Scum.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 8, 2013 8:12:09 GMT -5
Idle says that his clue says that Christians who die without sin go directly to Heaven (this is good) If this is true, then shouldn't we be intentionally lynching Bill or Idle since they don't have any sins? Doesn't "this is good" mean that their deaths would further the Christian wincon? And correct me if I m wrong but are you not assuming that the wincon for Christians is to have as many souls in heaven as possible or to out number the Devils in Hell? I don't know my wincon all it says is that killing Devils is good... I would not assume that by lynching a possible Christian they are in heaven automatically. I could of missed something, but...
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 8, 2013 8:20:01 GMT -5
Whoa. Apparently I'm a heretic for trying to figure out how to play the game. Everybody reread clue B (if you have it). b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. We have been given two clues by the Mod with equal weight - he has told us that they are both Good if they happen - lynching Devils, and Christians dying with no sin. Increasing sins may be beneficial. As in, it may be beneficial to lynch a Christian who is known to be sinless. In fact, there's no downside to lynching Idle. Either what he said is true, and he goes straight to Heaven (yay) or he was lying, and he is a Devil (also yay). It says REMOVING sins will help your team, not lynching your team. We already know that there is a mechanic in this game to remove sins. It's a strange game, yes but hopefully not gastardly...
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Post by lauriern on Feb 8, 2013 8:20:45 GMT -5
Vote: Silver Jan When I made my notes for Day1, I have a few red notes , but only one blue. Posts that bugged me were: D1.138: Doesn't seem to understand Christian PMs D1.143: Lokks like backpeddaling D1.288: She seems confused - If she had a Christian PM, it would be more clear Vote: suburban plankton A few red notes only 1 blue D1.9 posts about 4 horseman before Patricia's reveal - in all fairness, this IS Apocalyptic Mafia, but it "pinged" me before I even got to Patricia's reveal. D1.33 Comment out someone's wincon in another game - if he had a Christian wincon, Chucara's post would have made sense. Seemed like fishing..... D1.58 Does not see Patricia's slips as fishy Vote: BillMc 2 red notes, no blue D1.2 - States "hallelujah" in confirming post - scummy ping D1.141and more: Not getting Idle's PM and not playing like himself. Can't put my finger on what it is exactly - gut feeling, I guess. I am also suspicious of Mister Visceral - he was going to be my #1 vote, but Hockey Monkey (I think it was her), says he's Christian. I don't necessarily trust her, but I'm willing to hold off a Day or so to see how it plays out. Wombat is also on my watchlist, but again, I feel I need more time to feel out what's up. Storm coming our way - busy today seeing patients and storm prep. Hopefully, more time tomorrow if power doesn't go out! Anyone else in Nemo's way - stay safe
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 9:23:26 GMT -5
If I could vote for you again, I would. Why do you need to know the details of her role, or how she knows what she knows? I think she is Scum and I think it's a weird effort to protect another- I wanted to see what she had to say. This late in the Day it looks suspect- I didn't ask for details of her role I asked Why? why would anyone throw up their hand and say " OK we won't lynch him then" Lightfoot, please leave your vote on me if there is a chance you can confirm. How I know he's a Christian isn't important right this minute, and I'd like to be able to hold off on a role claim so scum don't have any additional information. I can't let someone I know to be Christian be lynched because he's playing like an idiot.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 9:28:40 GMT -5
vote fillibuster
We need more time to sort this out.
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Post by crys on Feb 8, 2013 9:39:43 GMT -5
I will unvote mistervisceral for now. I think that saying mistervisceral is town would be an odd scum gambit and highly risky. I am going to assume that it is true for the moment.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 8, 2013 9:53:02 GMT -5
unvote Mistervisceral
vote fillibuster
I am uncertain about the other cases and today is going to SUCK meatspace-wise.
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