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Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 9:53:13 GMT -5
Idle says that his clue says that Christians who die without sin go directly to Heaven (this is good) If this is true, then shouldn't we be intentionally lynching Bill or Idle since they don't have any sins? Doesn't "this is good" mean that their deaths would further the Christian wincon? And correct me if I m wrong but are you not assuming that the wincon for Christians is to have as many souls in heaven as possible or to out number the Devils in Hell? I don't know my wincon all it says is that killing Devils is good... I would not assume that by lynching a possible Christian they are in heaven automatically. I could of missed something, but... I don't have any more information about the wincon than anyone else does; I'm just going by the clues provided by Idle and the vague clues in the Christian PM and trying to piece some things together.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:00:14 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 10:00:14 GMT -5
Do you have a clearer wincon than I do? I just have the one that says to stop Devils from winning but we don't know how to do that. 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: Yes, it is still Mafia, and I realize it is unorthodox and strange to consider proactively lynching Town, but this is an unorthodox, strange, game. The clues (if true) were provided to Idle for a reason. Why are we ignoring his information? No, that's the wincon for sure. But it doesn't say lynching Town is a good idea, that's for sure. To be clear, I'm not uneasy about your unorthodox ideas. This isn't a normal game, we know that, and please notice I haven't voted you yet. If you'd come out and said, hey here's a weird idea lets talk about this, I'd be much less confronted. But you didn't. Your actions are less like a random Towny with a random idea, and much more like those of a person with an already defined goal who is shoehorning available facts into a theory in support of that goal. There's a real real short list of reasons why player would act that way, and that's why I'm nervous about you. I don't think we're at the point in this game where we need to be testing wild-hare theories by lynching players we have little reason to suspect are Scum. Okay, point taken. I didn't mean to scare anyone with my weird, random idea. I wouldn't characterize it as a wild-hare theory, though. I am not pulling this out of thin air. I am pointing out that, based on the information that is out there, there may be an unusual course of action that would be beneficial to Christians.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:04:14 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 8, 2013 10:04:14 GMT -5
Vote: fillibuster
This just opens up a whole new bag of worms. There is no good vote candidate right now.
Our top 2 vote leaders are claimed Christian.
I'm not understanding Mr. V's play if he's a Christian, other than being ultra aggressive. Maybe he knows that others know he's a Christian and will stick up for him (alla Hockey) I don't get him not putting up a defense. I also agree that Hockey's move is more pro-town or very risky-scum.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:08:50 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 8, 2013 10:08:50 GMT -5
Interesting comment and timing - as I received the offer after I posted. Ironic or a stitch up? Vote: vote: dizzylizzy Bill WTF are you talking about.....You said: And I'd like to thank whoever it is that offered to remove my sins, but it is unnecessary. I responded THE NEXT DAY: I also agree with Idle's case on Bill. It's very ironic the offer you were scoffing at, and scoffing at Idle posting publicly yesterDay you now got, and are not only posting about it, but are declining it? Why are you declining it??? So yeah what's this about you posted before you got the PM? Then WTF was your first post about? You are being so freaking odd this game. And Pinging the hell out of me.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:10:07 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 8, 2013 10:10:07 GMT -5
I am going to leave my vote on mrV for the moment, pending a little more info.
Hockey Monkey, just how sure are you that mrV is Christian? I fear this may be one of those exception things like Idle had. I certainly would expect a godfather type role in this game. I might not expect a scum mason, but it is a possibility. Please recheck your original PM and see what might falsify your result.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:10:40 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 8, 2013 10:10:40 GMT -5
Post #152 should say:
That: I think Hockey's move is more Pro town.....It could be a risky scum move, but I'm leaning pro-town on it.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:16:30 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Feb 8, 2013 10:16:30 GMT -5
Since LightFoot has a similar mechanic to my own, I really don't think she is scum. Vote Wombat99I don't like voting for a Christian with no sins just in case they go to Heaven, Wombat, do you know more about this mechanic than I do because that just sounds crazy. I'm voting for BillMc because I think he looks scummy and he has done nothing since my vote on him to change my mind. Either we believe the clues provided by Idle or we don't. His clue says that a Christian who dies with no sins goes directly to heaven, and this is a good thing. I don't know any more about the mechanic than that.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:35:13 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 10:35:13 GMT -5
I am going to leave my vote on mrV for the moment, pending a little more info. Hockey Monkey, just how sure are you that mrV is Christian? I fear this may be one of those exception things like Idle had. I certainly would expect a godfather type role in this game. I might not expect a scum mason, but it is a possibility. Please recheck your original PM and see what might falsify your result. I am 100% positive that he is Christian.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:38:15 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 8, 2013 10:38:15 GMT -5
Vote: fillibuster
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Feb 8, 2013 10:42:55 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 8, 2013 10:42:55 GMT -5
I am going to leave my vote on mrV for the moment, pending a little more info. Hockey Monkey, just how sure are you that mrV is Christian? I fear this may be one of those exception things like Idle had. I certainly would expect a godfather type role in this game. I might not expect a scum mason, but it is a possibility. Please recheck your original PM and see what might falsify your result. I am 100% positive that he is Christian. unvote mistervisceral
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Feb 8, 2013 10:44:48 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 8, 2013 10:44:48 GMT -5
Vote: fillibuster [/color]
I don't know if we'll get enough people around though, we need half of all players.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:45:56 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 10:45:56 GMT -5
Vote: fillibusterThis just opens up a whole new bag of worms. There is no good vote candidate right now. Our top 2 vote leaders are claimed Christian. I'm not understanding Mr. V's play if he's a Christian, other than being ultra aggressive. Maybe he knows that others know he's a Christian and will stick up for him (alla Hockey) I don't get him not putting up a defense. I also agree that Hockey's move is more pro-town or very risky-scum. I'd be voting for him right now too if I didn't know for certain he is Christian.
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Feb 8, 2013 10:59:02 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 8, 2013 10:59:02 GMT -5
Vote: fillibusterThis just opens up a whole new bag of worms. There is no good vote candidate right now. Our top 2 vote leaders are claimed Christian. I'm not understanding Mr. V's play if he's a Christian, other than being ultra aggressive. Maybe he knows that others know he's a Christian and will stick up for him (alla Hockey) I don't get him not putting up a defense. I also agree that Hockey's move is more pro-town or very risky-scum. Why does it surprise you that our top vote leaders are 'claimed Christian'? Most people don't claim to be Scum... I don't like the case against BillMc. It seems his biggest 'sin' was in accusing Idle of lying, and doing it in a rather brash manner. I think he's wrong about that, but I don't think he's Scummy. I might be able to get behind the case on wombat99, but I need to take another quick look at things. I'm very much against the idea of a Filibuster. If we can't decide after four days, how is another day, which will be a Saturday and therefore most likely a day of lower-than-normal participation, going to help? It makes me wonder if there are people here who really don't like the way they think the voting is going, and are hoping a little extra time can help them swing it somewhere else.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:02:38 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 8, 2013 11:02:38 GMT -5
I didn't say it surprised me. And no I wasn't expecting anyone else to roll over and die like Patricia did.
I'm just voting Filibuster, because there is no good lynch choice at the moment aside from the case I have on Bill. I'm not sure about Wombat either.
As for my case on Bill, I just am not getting his playstyle today. He's touted as an amazingly good scumhunter, and yet he doesn't have a case on anyone and is being very passive and just OMGUS voting?
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Feb 8, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 8, 2013 11:04:24 GMT -5
She's a cop, Lightfoot, and she investigated MrV last night, and when he started getting heat she had to say something. She hasn't said anything more because that'd help Scum figure out what to do about her. But I think you already knew that much yourself. The odds that she's scum, making the play she's making, are pretty danged low, and if she is then that'll come out in time. But I'm happy to add role-fishing to the list of scummy things you've done Today. It's certainly possible that Hockey Monkey is a Cop, but we don't know that. And since you posted this, she has passed up a couple of opportunities to say "yeah, I'm a Cop". So my money is currently on 'not a Cop, but with some private information'. Perhaps a Mason, perhaps something else. I'd also like to point out this post from Day 1, in which you were very certain about the motivations of another player: My thought process was that IF Patricia had the same clues she would have known why there was no need for me (or another) to post #3 Patricia was checking for a false claim, not making one. You were wrong then; you appear to have been wrong Today. You might want to rethink making absolute statements like that before people start thinking you have ulterior motives.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:16:28 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 8, 2013 11:16:28 GMT -5
I am pretty sure a filibuster would extend things until Monday. Pleo doesn't do weekends. And I could really use the time to re-evaluate after my only candidate was declared Christian.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:28:27 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:28:27 GMT -5
I am pretty sure a filibuster would extend things until Monday. Pleo doesn't do weekends. And I could really use the time to re-evaluate after my only candidate was declared Christian. My thoughts exactly. My biggest twinge was on Lightfoot, I know Mr V is Christian, and I'm not seeing the case on Bill at the moment. I need some time to re-read and reevaluate, plus evaluate the reactions from other players to the new information that might could be used in making a case.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 8, 2013 11:31:14 GMT -5
To clarify, if the Filibuster is approved, the Day will be extended one weekday. Because I'm not around on weekends. In this case, the Day would end on Monday.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:38:33 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:38:33 GMT -5
Vote: fillibusterThis just opens up a whole new bag of worms. There is no good vote candidate right now. Our top 2 vote leaders are claimed Christian. I'm not understanding Mr. V's play if he's a Christian, other than being ultra aggressive. Maybe he knows that others know he's a Christian and will stick up for him (alla Hockey) I don't get him not putting up a defense. I also agree that Hockey's move is more pro-town or very risky-scum. Why does it surprise you that our top vote leaders are 'claimed Christian'? Most people don't claim to be Scum... I don't like the case against BillMc. It seems his biggest 'sin' was in accusing Idle of lying, and doing it in a rather brash manner. I think he's wrong about that, but I don't think he's Scummy. I might be able to get behind the case on wombat99, but I need to take another quick look at things. I'm very much against the idea of a Filibuster. If we can't decide after four days, how is another day, which will be a Saturday and therefore most likely a day of lower-than-normal participation, going to help? It makes me wonder if there are people here who really don't like the way they think the voting is going, and are hoping a little extra time can help them swing it somewhere else. Why would you be against taking a little more time to allow for people to see what's happening and respond, and then regroup? If fillibuster is not approved, the day is going to end in less than 3 1/2 hours.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:38:54 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 11:38:54 GMT -5
Day has already been extended so why do people want to extend further. More info can come out, sure, but why?
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Feb 8, 2013 11:43:35 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:43:35 GMT -5
Go take a look at the current vote count thread.
Pleo says that as of post 161, Bill is the current vote leader but we don't know who will be lynched.
What does this mean? If we vote to lynch Bill, someone else will swing?
I think fillibuster is definitely needed!
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Feb 8, 2013 11:46:38 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 8, 2013 11:46:38 GMT -5
Vote: filibuster
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Feb 8, 2013 11:47:25 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 8, 2013 11:47:25 GMT -5
Hockey, it's a tie between Wombat and Bill.
Vote: Wombat Vote: Suburban Vote: SilverJan
I don't like the Bill lynch. Wombat vote is just a counter. Wanting to hurry the day, when there is discussion to be had and decisions to be made, is not a town move.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:49:29 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:49:29 GMT -5
Day has already been extended so why do people want to extend further. More info can come out, sure, but why? When was day extended? Why would you not want more information to come out to be able to make a better decision with? Right now I am going to be highly suspicious of people who oppose fillibuster because there is no downside to doing so.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:53:22 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:53:22 GMT -5
Hockey, it's a tie between Wombat and Bill. Vote: Wombat Vote: Suburban Vote: SilverJan I don't like the Bill lynch. Wombat vote is just a counter. Wanting to hurry the day, when there is discussion to be had and decisions to be made, is not a town move. OK, I didn't see that it was a tie.
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Feb 8, 2013 11:55:20 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 8, 2013 11:55:20 GMT -5
Day has already been extended so why do people want to extend further. More info can come out, sure, but why? vote silverjan
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Feb 8, 2013 11:58:02 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Feb 8, 2013 11:58:02 GMT -5
Maybe cos I want a result and get a bit bored with Days that go on forever. However I do have a response to Lauriern which might take a while to compose
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Feb 8, 2013 12:03:19 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Feb 8, 2013 12:03:19 GMT -5
Doing my best to catch up, but this is a huge and intricate game. I do not want a penalty so I'm placing a vote now. I may change/add later.
Vote billmc
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Feb 8, 2013 12:11:06 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 8, 2013 12:11:06 GMT -5
Unvote mistervisceralI don't agree with the Bill lynch. I think it's odd that people are suspicious of somebody who essentially claims to be someone with no sin. It's highly unlikely, given the breadcrumbs that Bill has thrown out, that he's a Devil masquerading as a Christian, simply because he's done things like point out Idle's absolutes contradict his role PM and publicly declaring he doesn't need his sin absolved. Granted, it's confusing to me why he's still voting Idle in this case but I don't find him scummy. The clues point in the other direction to me. People I do find scummy: Vote dizzymrslizzyVote SisterCoyoteVote KidVermiciousI wish I could nail down exactly what I find scummy about these three, but it's more of a gut feeling. Sister Coyote's voting for No Lynch twice really sent up flags to me (even though she retracted her no lynch vote toDay) and because of that I haven't been able to shake my suspicion of her. Similarly, Dizzy's post about filibustering for some reason really jumps out at me. The "oh no! Our top 2 candidates claimed Christian! The only thing we can do is filibuster!" reaction seems....odd? That's the best way I can explain it. Also other posts, like her saying she's voting for filibuster because there are no other good lynch choices besides Bill....and yet Bill hasn't claimed and he's currently one of the leading vote-getters. It's odd to me because we've had two whole Days worth of discussion....and yet for some reason Dizzy only has Bill as a target. And yet, even though Bill is close to swinging, she wants to filibuster? Why? It come across to me as false insecurity. Like she wants to look townie by coming up with a reason to filibuster but her reasoning just doesn't make sense. Finally, KidV (as per usual) just pings me. I think Suburban put it best in his post. He's very sure and talking in absolutes when we don't have a whole bunch of information on the table, not included in that was his sureness of the purpose of the role of Martyr. His also continued dogging of Lightfoot strikes me as off. When was day extended? Why would you not want more information to come out to be able to make a better decision with? Right now I am going to be highly suspicious of people who oppose fillibuster because there is no downside to doing so. 1. Day was initially supposed to end yesterday, but Pleo extended it to today because of storyteller's game. 2. I'm not entirely sure why filibustering is a 100% thing we should always do. For one, it seems to be the general consensus of the people who are already involved in the conversation to filibuster. That being said, we've already had nearly five days to discuss things. /WHY/ is it that now, when the deadline is approaching, that people are so unsure about their cases and what to do? Discussion was sooooo sloooooow up until pretty much yesterday. Why do you think filibustering will help? Do you think the people who haven't weighed in on anything or are floating under the radar will pop in and add their thoughts? There are downsides to filibustering. One, as Pleo has stated in the rules, there are lynch manipulation powers. Yes, we lynched patricia, but we don't know she was the only manipulator with evil intent. The longer the Day, the more time the scum may have to plan and/or manipulate the lynch. Two, the longer the Day is, the more claims we get. Everybody's going to claim Christian if their head is in the noose, and if we filibuster and have more people put closer to lynching, we could expose a good amount of Town in the process. Three, from a pure fun standpoint, the longer Days are stretched out, the harder it gets to focus on the game. At least for me. I mean that is, in all likelihood, the reason for the flurry of activity at the last minute here. Everybody said "oh, the Day's ending on Friday, I have the week to look everything over" and then bam it's Friday. If we filibuster, it will likely end up either: a) the Day ends on Saturday, on the weekend, less activity and only 24 hours of discussion, followed by two days of waiting for Pleo since he doesn't do weekends. Or b) the Day ending on Monday and everyone taking the weekend off due to the same philosophy, showing up on Monday and it being rushed anyway. I'm just saying, there are perfectly valid reasons to not want a filibuster, just as it's perfectly valid to want to filibuster. But considering only 6 people have shown up to filibuster, I don't think filibustering in hopes a generally inactive community to weigh in will help in this case. --- Doing my best to catch up, but this is a huge and intricate game. I do not want a penalty so I'm placing a vote now. I may change/add later.
Vote billmc Vote mahalothFor "putting a vote down" on one of the lynch leaders to tie up the voting, while claiming he's still catching up.
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Feb 8, 2013 12:14:24 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 8, 2013 12:14:24 GMT -5
Holy crap, did I really just miss the entire Day? Ugh. OK, excuses are for losers. First up:
vote filibuster
Because it gives me a chance to atone for being useless, and because if any substantial number of players want one, I think we should pretty much always vote for it - what's the harm?
Now, I went through the Day relatively quickly before posting this. The Lightfoot case makes no sense and we should not lynch her. Many of her voters seem content to point out something weird that she did - point out a flaw in a player without subsequently voting for that player - without really makign the connection of why that is suggestive of being Scum. I can't see a reason why a Scum Lightfoot makes the initial observation about a Scum patricia unless it's a bus attempt for credit - and I can't see a reason why a Scum seeking credit via bus attempt wouldn't vote. Everything about the bandwagon against Lightfoot toDay suggests that last Night, somewhere, on some Scum board, somebody said, "hey, Lightfoot did something superficially odd and inconsistent; I bet we can get her lynched for that!"
I don't know yet who I'll be voting for, but it'll be a Lightfoot voter.
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