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Post by Natlaw on Sept 28, 2009 12:54:37 GMT -5
A mass claim might turn out positively if there also some free masons in the game, which together with the Witches gives us a sizable portion (semi) confirmable Town. If there a no or few masons, the Cabal could try to claim as masons as well though. Those points together suggest for masons to lead the claim instead of the Witches as suggested (to keep the Witches hidden if no mason claims). But I do not think that is a good idea, especially since the masons and witches cannot Day talk to discuss this among themselves while the Cabal can.
So I would stick with a random order (if we do a mass-claim) and am fine with the order of pedescribe. And since he has now claimed Seer, it would be nice to see reveal the role he investigated as well (just before the role flip) as extra confirmation.
On the mass-claim in general: since the Cabal seems now the biggest threat I would prefer the Witches hidden since they block the Cabal win condition.
So if there is only one Witch left then it's definitely good to mass claim as we would need to keep at least a Wolf or Undead alive until all Cabalist are dead.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 28, 2009 13:07:36 GMT -5
Apologies folks. I did some organisational work on Saturday, but had to put it aside to prepare for Sunday's D&D game (a story of sordid greed and MAD that could cause the world to end in ten days. I'll tell the story if people are interested. But not here.)
I'm quite happy to allow the Witches to decide on the best time for a mass claim. For all we know, there are still three Witches alive, in which case the threat posed by the Cabal is exactly zero, and it's better to go for the jugular and eliminate the last Wolves and Undead before they kill two Witches and open the door for a Cabal win (and let's not forget, active Witches pose a direct threat to the Wolves and Undead, thus they've got every reason to want them dead.)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 28, 2009 15:37:57 GMT -5
Too much driving for a normal-sized weekend. Can has nap now?
Letting the witches set the pace for mass-claiming seems the best path. I'd like to take a closer look at Sister Coyote before deciding to join in with a vote or not. I have no recollection about where her votes have gone when not dictated by a confession.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 28, 2009 18:34:20 GMT -5
God, I am just not keeping up with this game. Sorry everyone, I suck. This is my last game until after the baby is born.
Ok so we have a couple of claimed people, and the call for a mass claim on the table. I could be down with a mass claim and am suspicious that Sister Coyote seems to be voting as a means of scaring people off a mass claim.
Vote: sister coyote
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 28, 2009 21:24:50 GMT -5
The identities of the dead are going to be revealed soon, so if one (or more) of the Witches have died, the remaining Witch(es) should claim now so that their story can be confirmed. (The only other role who might know who the Witches are would be the Seer, if he investigated one, or a Cabal, if a block failed. The Seer obviously is only going to confirm a Witch, and any Cabal false-claiming Witch can be sorted out either by investigation or lynch.)
They and other investigative roles also have had a few Day/Night cycles to do their thing. Hopefully somebody's gotten lucky and investigated a still living player, or has information that can confirm their identity (by, say, revealing the role or alignment of a player whose role or alignment has yet to become public knowledge).
Witches, even if exposed, are not without protection, as long as two of them are alive (of course, we don't know that for a fact yet, but since there haven't been that many Town deaths so far I'm being optimistic). And if we have a Witchdoctor around, that would help, too.
I feel that full-claiming now, while the Town can still afford to trade numbers for information, is the best chance we have for going into the Endgame without worrying about any faction stealing victory out from under us.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2009 21:32:31 GMT -5
Yeah, NAF, because I'm so scary right now as the only person who has any votes other than mine on them. Good lord.
We might see people resurrecting, too, if we have a Witch Doctor. And if we do, the person who comes back will know who Killed them, which may or may not be useful depending on whether or not the killer has also been killed.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 0:54:46 GMT -5
Right - as pedescribe with his comment that he is waiting for the witches seams to imply he is not - I think a full role claim and his full result would be helpful.
In other random ponderings I cant see how Parzival is a wolf - he fingered Ed - who if he (parzival() were a wolf, sure he would have known Ed may have been a killer. Why did parzival point out bufftabby in such a way that it clearly indicated she was a vampire, which it turns out she was not. Parzival was either a really ballsy undead, foolish lying town or cabal.
Mass claim- certainly a valid debate - however could those suggesting give a little more run down on the math as to why this would be a good idea at this point.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 29, 2009 5:36:43 GMT -5
I'm ok with a mass claim
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 6:50:15 GMT -5
The identities of the dead are going to be revealed soon, so if one (or more) of the Witches have died, the remaining Witch(es) should claim now so that their story can be confirmed. (The only other role who might know who the Witches are would be the Seer, if he investigated one, or a Cabal, if a block failed. The Seer obviously is only going to confirm a Witch, and any Cabal false-claiming Witch can be sorted out either by investigation or lynch.) They and other investigative roles also have had a few Day/Night cycles to do their thing. Hopefully somebody's gotten lucky and investigated a still living player, or has information that can confirm their identity (by, say, revealing the role or alignment of a player whose role or alignment has yet to become public knowledge). Witches, even if exposed, are not without protection, as long as two of them are alive (of course, we don't know that for a fact yet, but since there haven't been that many Town deaths so far I'm being optimistic). And if we have a Witchdoctor around, that would help, too. I feel that full-claiming now, while the Town can still afford to trade numbers for information, is the best chance we have for going into the Endgame without worrying about any faction stealing victory out from under us. You're right. I think it's time. I am actually a witch. My plan for toDay was to claim seer so that any Night killers wouldn't see a dead Peeker and force us to start protecting me regularly. Obviously, I hadn't factored a mass claim into the equation, nor had I accounted for the possibility that the cabal would be more threatening than the wolves. However, I had a contingency plan. Peekercpa is a witch, so come toMorrow you'll have incontrovertible proof that I am a witch. And so, I need to make an impassioned plea again. Wolves...remaining vampire...or whatever actual combination of killers are out there--don't waste your time trying to kill us. Every Night, the two of us are going to protect one of the two of us, so as to avoid a Cabal win. If you attack either of us, there's a 50% chance of succeeding. If you attack someone else, there's a 100% chance of succeeding, assuming they're not a magician or a scotsman. And since we're only going to be protecting, you won't even have to worry about more investigations. Alright. PCM? You're up.
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 8:30:25 GMT -5
18. Meeko - Killed Night One - Wolf - Omega Wolf 03. Special Ed - Killed Night One - Wolf - Alpha Wolf 13. paulwhois - Killed Night Two - Wolf 25. bufftabby - Killed Night Two - Wolf
17. Mister Blockey - Lynched Day Two - Undead (probable vamp) 01. storyteller - Killed Night One - Undead - Necromancer
21. Boozy Squid - Lynched Day One - Cabal - Cabalist 14. Parzival - Lynched Day Three - probable cabalist
09. CatInASuit - Killed Night Two - Town 23. peekercpa - Killed Night Two - Town (witch claimed by pedescribe)
04. Idle Thoughts - Killed Night Three 12. julie - Killed Night Three
15. pedescribe - claimed witch 02. Sister Coyote 05. NAF 06. Flying Cow 07. Cookies 08. Kat 10. Nanook 11. BillMc 16. Natlaw 19. hockeyguy (claimed magicain - as yet doesn't appear to have been targeted) 20. PrecambrianMollusc 22. Death by Irony 24. MHaye
Kills were D1 - 1 Cabal lynched N1 - 3 (2 wolves and the necro) D2 - 1 Undead lynched N2 - 4 (1 witch (?), 2 Wolf, 1 town) D3 - 1 possible cabal lynched N3 - 2 Unknown dead
So I am guessing N1 - 1 wolf a two vamp kills N2 - 1 wolf, one vamp, one one off kill and a Vig kill N3 - 1 wolf , one vamp
So we have not had any other claims for town investigative roles - And I guess the witches will not be investigating any more if only two of them 13 outstanding - 2 claimed town, plus one more witch , and one confirmed town from the prior investigation by the witches
so 9 unknown of which I am known to me so 8 other roles One vamp? Two cabal? One or two wolves?
What do we do after a mass claim - just lynch our way through the one each of the double claimed roles? I think, other than a scotsman they are all not self confirming roles.
What do we do if masons turn up? lynch one and wait a day to see if they come up town?
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 29, 2009 8:32:04 GMT -5
Well if we are doing this I am the vicar - any others out there? Counter claim, anyone , anyone ?
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 29, 2009 12:46:09 GMT -5
I can't believe our bad luck this game, but thanks everyone for not jumping on my stupid slip Today. But it think that wouldn't have lasted. I am a lonely Wolf. And so, I need to make an impassioned plea again. Wolves...remaining vampire...or whatever actual combination of killers are out there--don't waste your time trying to kill us. An impassioned plea in return: don't lynch me because I basically count as Witch against the Cabal. I will try to kill Cabal the coming Nights until they are less of a threat to both of us. I've thought about sharing more information about the Wolf actions, but I'll keep them in my hand for now. If there is a Detective who could possibly support/counter who-killed-who, I'll reconsider.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 12:46:52 GMT -5
Idle is tentatively Town if pede is telling the truth.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 12:58:53 GMT -5
Idle is tentatively Town if pede is telling the truth. I don't follow. How do we know that? Also, Natlaw claimed wolf. This game is way weird. That's, what, the third out and out scum claim?
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 29, 2009 13:06:15 GMT -5
I am a Detective. (Cue "Won't Get Fooled Again" ) Day 2 I investigated the corpse of Storyteller and got a null result, meaning that he was killed by a Vampire (that's the second time it's happened - I thought Pleonast said he was going to fix that?) Day 3 I investigated the corpse of bufftabby. I'm going to hold onto that result until everybody's claimed, because I want to be able to confirm or deny this person's claim. ToDay I'm investigating the corpse of Idle Thoughts.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 29, 2009 13:17:41 GMT -5
What else can you tell us about bufftaby the mod-confirmed wolf that we don't already know?
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 13:20:55 GMT -5
Oh hey, it's my turn.
I am a warlock. I targeted Story on Night 1 and Pede after that.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 29, 2009 14:04:13 GMT -5
Well well well. A wolf claiming, that's interesting. I'm not sure I like the idea of keeping him around, although with the detective outed it'd be easier to see that he kills whom we tell him to. I guess there's a benefit vs. the Cabal, but I am very uneasy about the idea. I think fewer kills are better for the town. Maybe agree not to lynch him now if he agrees not to kill anyone, although I doubt we can trust him. I guess we should wait and see how the mass claim turns out.
Reposting Pede's list:
1. Pre-Cambrian Mollusc - Vicar 2. Natlaw - Wolf 3. DBI - Detective 4. NAF - Warlock 5. Sister Coyote - ? 6. Nanook - ? 7. Kat - ? 8. FCoD - ? 9. Cookies - ? 10. MHaye - ? 11. BillMC - ?
--FCOD
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 14:09:46 GMT -5
I'm not happy about this. Not happy at all. I'm the Witch Doctor. NAF: We know that Idle is tentatively Town if pede is telling the truth because pede said so on Page 1 of toDay.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 14:25:24 GMT -5
Right. Sorry. Like I said, I am having trouble keeping up with this game. Blame my unborn child.
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Post by Nanook on Sept 29, 2009 14:34:08 GMT -5
I guess that means it's my turn?
I'm the Vigilante. I killed Meeko Night 1 and Bufftabby Night 2. I assume that's what DBI found and is holding onto. I didn't feel I had any good leads last Night, so I chose not to kill. This also means that there either someone had a bonus NK that they blew last Night, or there's still a Vampire alive out there.
And since I know someone is going to ask, I killed Meeko Night 1 because of a combination of things. One is that the Meeko/Ed fracas looked so amazingly staged. The other is that even if it wasn't staged, it was amazingly anti-Town and would be an issue is it was allowed to continue.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 15:48:41 GMT -5
I'm not happy about this. Not happy at all. I'm the Witch Doctor. Why are you not happy? If you are telling the truth, that means you plus us can cover both the witches each Night. What spectacular plan did this ruin? What horrible evil did I overlook?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 29, 2009 15:59:15 GMT -5
Vote: Natlaw
I can see no compelling reason to not go for yet another admitted scum in the hand. It isn't worth the risk to see if he'll voluntarily not kill. Then there's the whole dubiousness of why he chose to claim scum, that he could be lying and is a scum of a different variety, all of which just reinforces the need for him to die from where I'm sitting.
Just curious why did you choose to go after bufftaby, Nanook? Was it because of what Parzival said happened on Night 1?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 29, 2009 15:59:41 GMT -5
Vote: Natlaw
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 16:10:46 GMT -5
I'm not happy about this. Not happy at all. I'm the Witch Doctor. Why are you not happy? If you are telling the truth, that means you plus us can cover both the witches each Night. What spectacular plan did this ruin? What horrible evil did I overlook? I'm telling the truth. And yeah, I can help cover the Witches. But I am opposed to mass claims, I still don't see how this helps Town, and I feel strongly enough about it to complain. Fair enough?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 16:11:35 GMT -5
Oh, and one of last Night's dead will be returning tomorrow. I don't see any reason to say which.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 16:31:46 GMT -5
Why are you not happy? If you are telling the truth, that means you plus us can cover both the witches each Night. What spectacular plan did this ruin? What horrible evil did I overlook? I'm telling the truth. And yeah, I can help cover the Witches. But I am opposed to mass claims, I still don't see how this helps Town, and I feel strongly enough about it to complain. Fair enough? Well, we've already caught a wolf... Vote: Natlaw
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 29, 2009 16:43:49 GMT -5
True.
Vote: Natlaw
but we really need to catch Cabal.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 29, 2009 16:50:09 GMT -5
I am not actually sure that lynching Natlaw is a good idea right now.
I am walking into a meeting for the rest of the day in about 5 minutes. Can someone run the numbers for me please? Does natlaw rank as a third party at this point? (that is, would his lynch count as a mislynch since it is now impossible for him to win?)
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 29, 2009 17:27:52 GMT -5
[/color] but we really need to catch Cabal.[/quote] Not necessarily. If we kill all the wolves and undead, we win as long as there's two witches left. Unless I've made a horrible mistake.
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