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Apr 5, 2009 13:43:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 5, 2009 13:43:03 GMT -5
What? Am I being WOOSHED? It's happened tons of times! You've never played in a game where the Masons could win as their complete, separate, own faction? I can state three games alone, offhand, that I've played in...AND one that I've modded (in which you even played in AND were a Mason) in which the Masons could win separately from Town and basically "steal" the win away from them.
Or do you mean that no Mason group has ever successfully done it? Read Mafia III, then, on the SDMB.
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Apr 5, 2009 13:44:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 5, 2009 13:44:42 GMT -5
What? Am I being WOOSHED? It's happened tons of times! You've never played in a game where the Masons could win as their complete, separate, own faction? I can state three games alone, offhand, that I've played in...AND one that I've modded (in which you even played in AND were a Mason) in which the Masons could win separately from Town and basically "steal" the win away from them. Or do you mean that no Mason group has ever successfully done it? Read Mafia III, then, on the SDMB. methinks you missed the [sarcasm] [/sarcasm] tags
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Apr 5, 2009 13:51:11 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Apr 5, 2009 13:51:11 GMT -5
this is the first time I have played a game with recuitment.... So I have no experience to share...
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Apr 5, 2009 13:56:25 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 5, 2009 13:56:25 GMT -5
on the game me and mitey just finished MODING, we had a mason recruit, so the person went from vanilla to a mason with added one shot powers. The only negative side I would say to it, was the person who played that, noticed we did not spell out good enough how the one shot's were to be used, so instead of one per thread cycle, she used most up at once. But other wise it was not really bad at all for town. Or atleast with a good player it would not have been bad for town. However I do agree I think our recriutment may hve been far and few between the "norm." oh and TL gee I hope the gastard game on FB was not our's, that had recriutment.
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Apr 5, 2009 14:04:00 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 5, 2009 14:04:00 GMT -5
What? Am I being WOOSHED? It's happened tons of times! You've never played in a game where the Masons could win as their complete, separate, own faction? Um, you mean, other than SMB? I forget who modded that one... wait a minute, it'll come to me... I know this... ;D
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Apr 5, 2009 14:30:39 GMT -5
Post by Captain Pinkies on Apr 5, 2009 14:30:39 GMT -5
on the game me and mitey just finished MODING, we had a mason recruit, so the person went from vanilla to a mason with added one shot powers. The only negative side I would say to it, was the person who played that, noticed we did not spell out good enough how the one shot's were to be used, so instead of one per thread cycle, she used most up at once. But other wise it was not really bad at all for town. Or atleast with a good player it would not have been bad for town. However I do agree I think our recriutment may hve been far and few between the "norm." oh and TL gee I hope the gastard game on FB was not our's, that had recriutment. opps... I guess I need to eat my words.... I did play in that game... So I guess I have played a game with recuitment.... What are the possibilities of it being limted verse wide spread recuitment?
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Apr 5, 2009 14:53:39 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Apr 5, 2009 14:53:39 GMT -5
Nanook (and others) have expressed concerns about my posting that I'm town. No, it does indeed not contribute.. Sorry. - I was scum in the last two games I've played, and I positively hate playing scum. That's why I'm happy to be town again. And yes, I would've said the exact same thing if I was third party, but probably not as scum. It was just a relief that this game won't raise my stress level as much as the previous games as I don't have anything to hide in this game.
Back on the game, I am willing to lynch a lurker as a mod kill won't give us town.
I was actually starting this post thinking I would vote for Idle, but I've changed my mind. At first I didn't like the fact that he was claiming non-recruitable, but then I realised he might also just be a town wanting to avoid the recruit. I know I wouldn't like to get recruited at least, and I can definitely put Idle's playing style into the category that would pull a move like that.
Otherwise, I have no candidates for a lynch. Unless something happens before tuesday, I'll put my vote on a lurker.
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Apr 5, 2009 14:59:55 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 5, 2009 14:59:55 GMT -5
on the game me and mitey just finished MODING, we had a mason recruit, so the person went from vanilla to a mason with added one shot powers. The only negative side I would say to it, was the person who played that, noticed we did not spell out good enough how the one shot's were to be used, so instead of one per thread cycle, she used most up at once. But other wise it was not really bad at all for town. Or atleast with a good player it would not have been bad for town. However I do agree I think our recriutment may hve been far and few between the "norm." oh and TL gee I hope the gastard game on FB was not our's, that had recriutment. Sorry - to me "recruitment" means change of team in the game. I know we can have a mason recruit a 'nilla. Once I played in a game where scum had an "investigator" on his own - until he found a scum. Then he would stop being on his own, lose the power to investigate and become 'nilla scum. That would be sort of recruitment I guess - but not really Recruitment. The diffenrence to me is - if the recruited players win con would change. /Oog No way SHAGGY-FORCE! Your game was not gastard - the game I talked about was KISS. Starting a Day lasting 6 hours is gastard to me!/
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Apr 5, 2009 15:45:10 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 5, 2009 15:45:10 GMT -5
Nanook (and others) have expressed concerns about my posting that I'm town. No, it does indeed not contribute.. Sorry. - I was scum in the last two games I've played, and I positively hate playing scum. That's why I'm happy to be town again. And yes, I would've said the exact same thing if I was third party, but probably not as scum. It was just a relief that this game won't raise my stress level as much as the previous games as I don't have anything to hide in this game. Back on the game, I am willing to lynch a lurker as a mod kill won't give us town. I was actually starting this post thinking I would vote for Idle, but I've changed my mind. At first I didn't like the fact that he was claiming non-recruitable, but then I realised he might also just be a town wanting to avoid the recruit. I know I wouldn't like to get recruited at least, and I can definitely put Idle's playing style into the category that would pull a move like that. Otherwise, I have no candidates for a lynch. Unless something happens before tuesday, I'll put my vote on a lurker. My Day 1 vote would have been for a player who has been online but just really didn't say that much. I know a lot of people are frustrated with Day 1 (I personally love them - you get so much info from people playing without caution). Chuacara has 8 post in Day 1. The first is: Yes! Finally I'm town again. Just popping in to say hello and to let you know I'm here. I probably won't be posting much today as I'm at work now and have a soccer game immediately after. This is posted only 6 hours after the game began. Makes a lot of sense to me. Then we have: Allrighty then. Someone get this game started up for me. I just got back from soccer where I learned that (surprisingly) 30 pounds, 5 years of not doing anything to stay in shape, and picking up smoking does NOT do wonders for your endurance in a soccer match. Anyway, I've changed my name back. Oh, and maybe I'm missing something, but do we have ANY idea on the setup other than the general colour? Not much to go on. But I don't really like the "Someone get this game started up for me". Everyone in Town needs to get the game going. Not just "someone". I know sometimes Power Roles rely on 'nillas to do the ground work - but to say it out loud like that, doesn't make sense to me. Post 3: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page=2#43794Respons to NAF and about the time zone-page (brilliant - IMO) Post 4: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page=2#43800Askes if we can take the "time zone page" into a new thread. #5: I've always sucked at day ones.. Does anyone have an idea on a worthwhile strategy to provoke slips or get scum talking? Only thing I can think of are: - Mass claim (comes with obvious drawback of scum knowing exactly who to target) - Lynch the lurker (little drawback, but little gain as well) Just trying to get the party started. Might be me overinterpreting but the "Does anyone have an idea on a worthwhile strategy to provoke slips or get scum talking? "... I know it mafia and we hunt for scum. But we also talk about the game and how to play it. Might just be a "growing" Chucara but as far as I remember. In other games I've played with Chucara, he did try to think of new ways and come up with new ideas. So this makes me wonder a bit... Though truth be told - he did take a lot af heat for some og his ideas! #6: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page=4#43898Re: The Time Zone Tool #7: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page=4#43902Re: The Time Zone Tool #8: I don't think we should waste a lynch on no-shows if they are going to be mod-killed. Blah. This day gives me nothing to work with. I will be going out of town today and won't be back until tomorrow. So this will be my last post today. Still nothing regarding the game or what is being discussed. Not much to go on - but all the "I'm here and will not post again" just pings me... *lol* and go figure by the time I ready to post the guy has made his #9 with something regarding this game... Darn - I'll go re-think!
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Apr 5, 2009 16:16:05 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Apr 5, 2009 16:16:05 GMT -5
on the game me and mitey just finished MODING, we had a mason recruit, so the person went from vanilla to a mason with added one shot powers. The only negative side I would say to it, was the person who played that, noticed we did not spell out good enough how the one shot's were to be used, so instead of one per thread cycle, she used most up at once. But other wise it was not really bad at all for town. Or atleast with a good player it would not have been bad for town. However I do agree I think our recriutment may hve been far and few between the "norm." oh and TL gee I hope the gastard game on FB was not our's, that had recriutment. Sorry - to me "recruitment" means change of team in the game. I know we can have a mason recruit a 'nilla. Once I played in a game where scum had an "investigator" on his own - until he found a scum. Then he would stop being on his own, lose the power to investigate and become 'nilla scum. That would be sort of recruitment I guess - but not really Recruitment. The diffenrence to me is - if the recruited players win con would change. /Oog No way SHAGGY-FORCE! Your game was not gastard - the game I talked about was KISS. Starting a Day lasting 6 hours is gastard to me!/ So yeah I guess then from the "true" definition we never really had recruitment persey. Atleast in terms of changing sides. Thank's I was half joking, cause I assumed you were talking about the KISS game but was afraid of getting something virtually thrown at me from ed by mentioning that game...LOL
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Apr 5, 2009 16:27:06 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 5, 2009 16:27:06 GMT -5
Thank's I was half joking, cause I assumed you were talking about the KISS game but was afraid of getting something virtually thrown at me from ed by mentioning that game...LOL Whoops - didn't think of that. He'll probably throw a goat in my face next time he meets me
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Apr 5, 2009 16:46:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 5, 2009 16:46:04 GMT -5
Sorry - to me "recruitment" means change of team in the game. I know we can have a mason recruit a 'nilla. Once I played in a game where scum had an "investigator" on his own - until he found a scum. Then he would stop being on his own, lose the power to investigate and become 'nilla scum. That would be sort of recruitment I guess - but not really Recruitment. The diffenrence to me is - if the recruited players win con would change. /Oog No way SHAGGY-FORCE! Your game was not gastard - the game I talked about was KISS. Starting a Day lasting 6 hours is gastard to me!/ So yeah I guess then from the "true" definition we never really had recruitment persey. Atleast in terms of changing sides. Thank's I was half joking, cause I assumed you were talking about the KISS game but was afraid of getting something virtually thrown at me from ed by mentioning that game...LOL Why would I throw something at you? Because I helped town by leading lynches of 2 of 4 Scum, Vig'd a third with my one shot power, andthen got recruited to the Scum side? Do I sound bitter? I'M NOT BITTER throws a shoe at shaggy damn, sorry
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Apr 5, 2009 17:59:56 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 5, 2009 17:59:56 GMT -5
The other is pedescribe. It's a bit metagamey, and a bit of gut, but his posts come off as a cross between the above(trying to appear helpful without really saying much) and trying to push ideas that don't really tell us anything or help us. Like that breaking down the list of potential roles. What is that going to do to help us? If someone claims one of those roles, they'll explain it when they do. Really, that kind of discussion seems more useful to scum for false claiming. All that combined, I'm going to put out an intial vote. Vote: pedescribe [/color][/quote] Wait, what? Are you voting for me because I'm talking...and I'm trying to help people and put ideas out there that aren't immedeatly helpful? Dude, it's Day 1. If there was some easily visible beneficial idea on Day 1, the game would be broken. All we have are ideas that aren't immediately beneficial. Now, metagaming right back atcha: We always seem to find each other suspicious. Simpletown, SMB, SDMB, etc. Why is this? Why does this always happen?
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Apr 5, 2009 17:59:58 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Apr 5, 2009 17:59:58 GMT -5
With 24 hours left in the Day, the vote count stands at: paulwhoisaghost (2) – Idle, KidV Idle Thoughts (2) – FCOD, Almost Human Hawkeyeop (3) – pede, sundry, Captain Pinkies BillMc (1) – moodymitchy Pedescribe (1) - Nanook
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Apr 5, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 5, 2009 18:03:35 GMT -5
So I don't post for almost an entire day an only get one vote? We are improving. Anyways, I'm going to try to get catch up and hopefully get less confused tonight. Posting and voting to in order to avoid the wrath of Kat.
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Apr 5, 2009 18:04:54 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 5, 2009 18:04:54 GMT -5
Vote: Hawkeye
He obviously isn't interested in playing, and there really isn't anything better to go off of right now. I wouldn't want him to be modkilled and leave him unconfirmed for the rest of the game. It gave Buff somewhere to hide in SW on FB... and it can only cause trouble here.
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Apr 5, 2009 18:05:10 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 5, 2009 18:05:10 GMT -5
I like the s/n. Perhaps I'll keep it permanently.
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Apr 5, 2009 18:06:22 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 5, 2009 18:06:22 GMT -5
Unvote: Hawkeye
I really need to start previewing before I post....
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Apr 5, 2009 18:08:14 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 5, 2009 18:08:14 GMT -5
Hawk, what is the quote in your sig from?
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Apr 5, 2009 19:22:14 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Apr 5, 2009 19:22:14 GMT -5
Wait, what? Are you voting for me because I'm talking...and I'm trying to help people and put ideas out there that aren't immedeatly helpful? Dude, it's Day 1. If there was some easily visible beneficial idea on Day 1, the game would be broken. All we have are ideas that aren't immediately beneficial. Now, metagaming right back atcha: We always seem to find each other suspicious. Simpletown, SMB, SDMB, etc. Why is this? Why does this always happen? No, I'm voting for you because of the CONTENT of those ideas, not the ideas themselves. Simply suggesting ideas is a null tell in and of itself. But the content of those ideas can tell you something, depending on the situation and the type of idea. I feel like the discussion you were generating, vis a vis the various potential roles, was more beneficial to scum than town, and would be a good path to take for a scum trying to hide in plain sight.
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Apr 5, 2009 19:51:07 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 5, 2009 19:51:07 GMT -5
Next time wait 5 days + 5 minutes Paul. The last 5 minutes are key.
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Apr 5, 2009 20:00:56 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 5, 2009 20:00:56 GMT -5
Wait, what? Are you voting for me because I'm talking...and I'm trying to help people and put ideas out there that aren't immedeatly helpful? Dude, it's Day 1. If there was some easily visible beneficial idea on Day 1, the game would be broken. All we have are ideas that aren't immediately beneficial. Now, metagaming right back atcha: We always seem to find each other suspicious. Simpletown, SMB, SDMB, etc. Why is this? Why does this always happen? No, I'm voting for you because of the CONTENT of those ideas, not the ideas themselves. Simply suggesting ideas is a null tell in and of itself. But the content of those ideas can tell you something, depending on the situation and the type of idea. I feel like the discussion you were generating, vis a vis the various potential roles, was more beneficial to scum than town, and would be a good path to take for a scum trying to hide in plain sight. Okay, what would you suggest I discuss? Seriously, keeping mum is worse, significantly worse than discussing things that might be later used by scum. And you attempting to stifle discussion is highly suspicious in my opinion. Since Hawkeye showed up, it's definitely good enough for a vote. Unvote: Hawkeyeopismissing? Vote: Nanook
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Apr 5, 2009 20:44:47 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 5, 2009 20:44:47 GMT -5
Hmm I had three votes. Apparently I can't read.
I seem to have missed a whole lot of nothing. This is the problem with mods giving roles to players in manners other than random. We get these extended discussions on would the mods give x a specific role. It isn't about who has done scummy things, but rather what a mod/player would like to do. This isn't really fun or productive. How bout we try this?
Are all roles chosen at random?
Beyond that there is little to go on. There are many possible roles here, so we can't prepare for every scenario. I don't wish to focus on what if there a jester anymore than the possibility of any other role. I'm confident that if there is a jester, we will be given a way to deal with it.
Idle continues to refuse to give out information, while continually giving out information. When all else fails I'm tempted to vote for non-vanillas Day One. This probably requires explanation, but the basic belief is that scum will in general not claim vanilla early. They need to scare townies from voting for them, so they will claim powers that the town won't want to lose. Especially useful are vague claims that require no support. Losing a power role and nailing a scum is better than losing two vanilla.
Pede did a lot of work looking at roles. While this is helpful, I'm guessing he has some sort of ulterior motive. Maybe a third party who needs to figure out all the roles used in the game? I don't want to discourage people from doing that sort of extensive analysis by voting for those who do it, but I do wonder.
vote Idle
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Apr 5, 2009 20:59:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Apr 5, 2009 20:59:41 GMT -5
Hmm I had three votes. Apparently I can't read. I seem to have missed a whole lot of nothing. This is the problem with mods giving roles to players in manners other than random. We get these extended discussions on would the mods give x a specific role. It isn't about who has done scummy things, but rather what a mod/player would like to do. This isn't really fun or productive. How bout we try this? Are all roles chosen at random?Beyond that there is little to go on. There are many possible roles here, so we can't prepare for every scenario. I don't wish to focus on what if there a jester anymore than the possibility of any other role. I'm confident that if there is a jester, we will be given a way to deal with it. Idle continues to refuse to give out information, while continually giving out information. When all else fails I'm tempted to vote for non-vanillas Day One. This probably requires explanation, but the basic belief is that scum will in general not claim vanilla early. They need to scare townies from voting for them, so they will claim powers that the town won't want to lose. Especially useful are vague claims that require no support. Losing a power role and nailing a scum is better than losing two vanilla. Pede did a lot of work looking at roles. While this is helpful, I'm guessing he has some sort of ulterior motive. Maybe a third party who needs to figure out all the roles used in the game? I don't want to discourage people from doing that sort of extensive analysis by voting for those who do it, but I do wonder. vote Idle Pede as Chia Bingo Manager of sorts? Maybe having to calculate the roles in the game before he dies? Anyway, I'm going to add a vote for Idle Vote: Idle See? I'm a man of my word. What's pinging me here is that Idle did NOT claim. I've knwon him to always claim on Day 1 (except when I made him a jester, and he was banned from claiming). IN fact, he was reincarnated as a Sub 3 times in that game and claimed right away each time. (yeah, you'd think he'd learn from all that death not to claim) So, why wouldn't he claim right away? Maybe he's just not sure what his claim should look like? OK, it's not much of a case, but it's Day 1.
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Apr 5, 2009 21:16:45 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Apr 5, 2009 21:16:45 GMT -5
Updated Vote Count: paulwhoisaghost (2) – Idle, KidV Idle Thoughts (4) – FCOD, Almost Human, hawkeye, Special Ed Hawkeyeop (2) – sundry, Captain Pinkies BillMc (1) – moodymitchy Pedescribe (1) – Nanook Nanook (1) - pede
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Apr 5, 2009 21:52:13 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 5, 2009 21:52:13 GMT -5
Are all roles chosen at random? Yup.
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Apr 5, 2009 22:41:52 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Apr 5, 2009 22:41:52 GMT -5
Still nothing regarding the game or what is being discussed. Not much to go on - but all the "I'm here and will not post again" just pings me... *lol* and go figure by the time I ready to post the guy has made his #9 with something regarding this game... Darn - I'll go re-think! This whole post reads like a giant smudge of chucara, particularly with the way you seem to dismiss your post at the end of it. If you needed to re-think, why post it at all? Sorry, sweetheart, don't cry, but Vote: total lost
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Apr 5, 2009 22:43:53 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Apr 5, 2009 22:43:53 GMT -5
Oh, and there was major quote snippage above, as it was far too long to quote in its entirety.
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Apr 5, 2009 23:12:49 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Apr 5, 2009 23:12:49 GMT -5
Not sure if I'll be back before the deadline tomorrow, so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote in now.
Vote: KidVermicious
Nehhhh, this is kind of weak, but it's the best I have right now. The whole "gosh darn recruitment, I swear if I get recruited I'm going to drag my heels and do everything in my power to take down whoever recruited me so you better not recruit me, y'hear?" spiel feels like a blustery attempt to look as townie as possible. Kind of reminds me of the guy that buys the banana yellow Hummer and added spinning rims, neon, with the souped-up engine and bass so loud it makes your ears bleed. It's just a big show, like he'll actually drive it anywhere.
I feel like it should be pretty standard that if there's recruitment, there's a mechanism in place that will prevent people from handing over the recruiter(s) to the town on a silver platter. So I kind of think scum would be more likely to put on the big "look how townie I am, I'll take down those flippin' recruiters even if I lose!" show so everybody else will pat them on the head and say "aw, look at that good little townie, saying he'll turn everybody over." Meanwhile, if the scum are the recruiters, they won't actually have to worry about ever handing anybody over, especially since they will already know how the recruiting mechanism works.
*shrugs*
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 0:20:01 GMT -5
Not sure if I'll be back before the deadline tomorrow, so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote in now. Vote: KidVermicious Nehhhh, this is kind of weak, but it's the best I have right now. The whole "gosh darn recruitment, I swear if I get recruited I'm going to drag my heels and do everything in my power to take down whoever recruited me so you better not recruit me, y'hear?" spiel feels like a blustery attempt to look as townie as possible. Kind of reminds me of the guy that buys the banana yellow Hummer and added spinning rims, neon, with the souped-up engine and bass so loud it makes your ears bleed. It's just a big show, like he'll actually drive it anywhere. I feel like it should be pretty standard that if there's recruitment, there's a mechanism in place that will prevent people from handing over the recruiter(s) to the town on a silver platter. So I kind of think scum would be more likely to put on the big "look how townie I am, I'll take down those flippin' recruiters even if I lose!" show so everybody else will pat them on the head and say "aw, look at that good little townie, saying he'll turn everybody over." Meanwhile, if the scum are the recruiters, they won't actually have to worry about ever handing anybody over, especially since they will already know how the recruiting mechanism works. *shrugs* Something about KidV's heart touching speech of loyalty didn't ring true to me either. It wasn't til I read this that I figured it out... I don't really see it someone trying to sound town persay... more like someone trying to seem like a person likely to be recruited instead of the person who is recruiting. Vote: KidV Best I got right now... And good enough for me for Day1.
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