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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 0:44:09 GMT -5
Oh look, people voting for me. No surprise there. They seem to want to try to force me to claim. Why is that, Ed, hawkeye? What if I were something like Detective or Cop* ? If you guys are Townside, would you want them to be outed on Day One?
I'm not a Jester Mr Special Ed.
*I'm not a Cop either...but my point remains: If I was a role like that, would you really want to force a claim out of me? Seems you would.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 0:49:17 GMT -5
What's pinging me here is that Idle did NOT claim. I've knwon him to always claim on Day 1 (except when I made him a jester, and he was banned from claiming). IN fact, he was reincarnated as a Sub 3 times in that game and claimed right away each time. (yeah, you'd think he'd learn from all that death not to claim) So, why wouldn't he claim right away? Maybe he's just not sure what his claim should look like? OK, it's not much of a case, but it's Day 1. This is so many kinds of STUPID, I don't even know how to address it. So you're voting for me because I haven't claimed? You WANT me to claim? You're actually voting on me, putting pressure so I'll claim. Unvote: Paul Vote: Mr Special Ed...who apparently is trying to find out my role for some reason. I have news for you, buddy. I've only role claimed on Day One TWO games. Two out of 12. I'd hardly call that "always roleclaiming on day one". Just because those two happened to be in games you were in isn't my fault. You're reason for voting is DUMB... at best.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 0:49:39 GMT -5
Unvote: Paul Vote: Mr Special Ed
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Post by sundry on Apr 6, 2009 0:56:44 GMT -5
Unvote: hawkeye
My only reason for voting you was to prevent a possible mod kill that wouldn't provide information. So now that you're here ...
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 2:32:42 GMT -5
Still nothing regarding the game or what is being discussed. Not much to go on - but all the "I'm here and will not post again" just pings me... *lol* and go figure by the time I ready to post the guy has made his #9 with something regarding this game... Darn - I'll go re-think! This whole post reads like a giant smudge of chucara, particularly with the way you seem to dismiss your post at the end of it. If you needed to re-think, why post it at all? Sorry, sweetheart, don't cry, but Vote: total lost [/color][/quote] It's okay - I like getting your attention no matter what. I see your point. I did consider to throw it all away. But even that he wrote the last post #9 doesn't change the fact that he also did post the first 8. With the last one, he made me think I should hold back and not vote for him. But I still felt he was staying low and if I don't see anymore from him - I still might vote for Chucara. With so little to go on right now... As for Idle... maybe he has some sort of restriction in the role that doesn't allow him to fully-claim? Do any roles have some sort of build-in restriction? Like not being able to quote the role-PM or not being allow to claim?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 2:41:58 GMT -5
As for Idle... maybe he has some sort of restriction in the role that doesn't allow him to fully-claim? Do any roles have some sort of build-in restriction? Like not being able to quote the role-PM or not being allow to claim?Two things 1. I don't have any restriction...I just don't think/feel I should have to claim right now. Why aren't YOU claiming, huh? Why am I being ganged up on to claim? 2. Are you joking? NOBODY is allowed to quote their role PM. NAF said that at the beginning of Night 0. Aren't you paying attention?
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 3:31:17 GMT -5
Idle is right... I remember, because I thought it was odd that they posted a sample vanilla role pm. Why would anyone need to see a sample vanilla role pm if no one was allowed to quote role pms? NAF wouldn't answer... he said they preferred to remain cryptic and that someone would likely come along and explain the events of the Firefly game that pertain to this situation.... any takers on that?
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Post by Chucara on Apr 6, 2009 3:53:48 GMT -5
Total: It's day one. Nothing has been going on until now. By your logic, you should vote for almost everyone here.
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 6:37:32 GMT -5
As for Idle... maybe he has some sort of restriction in the role that doesn't allow him to fully-claim? Do any roles have some sort of build-in restriction? Like not being able to quote the role-PM or not being allow to claim?Two things 1. I don't have any restriction...I just don't think/feel I should have to claim right now. Why aren't YOU claiming, huh? Why am I being ganged up on to claim? 2. Are you joking? NOBODY is allowed to quote their role PM. NAF said that at the beginning of Night 0. Aren't you paying attention? I didn't explain myself I see. What I meant was not that you should claim - it was that there could be a number of reasons for you not to claim. I sew a lot of people vote for you and I didn't think that you not claiming was anything other then a null-tell at best. I'm sorry you read it as I wanted you to claim - that was not my point.
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Post by shaggy on Apr 6, 2009 6:38:35 GMT -5
throws a shoe at shaggy damn, sorry smack...dude that hurt, how big are your shoes? LOL on a serious note, since the day ends this evening I am going to place my vote now, so if I do not get a chance latter today, I will have one. Well with little to go on, the only thing I can find is that to me, and yes I can be wrong but I can not help but think, would not the only one that can not be recruited be the recriuter? and if recruiting is all bad in your words as well, then I am going to take the chance and vote for you. Sorry if I am wrong and all. But with little else to go on for day one, i will: vote idle
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 6:41:56 GMT -5
Total: It's day one. Nothing has been going on until now. By your logic, you should vote for almost everyone here. You are right, but I have to start somewhere - and you just pinged me. I went to take a closer look - and as I said (which Bufftabby called a smudge (was not my intent)) I didn't find much. But if I don't put my thoughts on record Town can't look at them and decide what to make of me/my thoughts. As for not being able to post PMs. I forgot - not skimming - but when I play in more than one game, I tend to forget details like that. If I need the information I can always go back and check the rules. I kind of assume that's why to Mods put them in a thread, that makes them easy to find. Because we can't all remember them by heart.
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Post by special on Apr 6, 2009 6:53:24 GMT -5
Oh look, people voting for me. No surprise there. They seem to want to try to force me to claim. Why is that, Ed, hawkeye? What if I were something like Detective or Cop* ? If you guys are Townside, would you want them to be outed on Day One? I'm not a Jester Mr Special Ed. *I'm not a Cop either...but my point remains: If I was a role like that, would you really want to force a claim out of me? Seems you would. I'm wondering why you haven't claimed. I've always known you to claim on Day 1 unprovoked. In fact, you've taken a kind of pride in doing so. And ANYONE we try to lynch Day 1 can ask why we're forcing them to claim. We should lynch someone on Day 1. Why should we suspect you having a power role more than anyone else?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 7:26:33 GMT -5
So, again, you're voting for me just because I haven't claimed yet and I've claimed, before, in two games?
And just so I'm straight: Shaggy is now voting for me.....
....simply because my role cannot be recruited so that MUST mean I'm the recruiter?
You guys are acting extremely fucking stupid right now. Either you're acting stupid or you're scum. Either way, it's a bad way to be.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 7:29:31 GMT -5
So, what...every game I play in, from now on, you're going to vote for me if I don't claim on Day One, Mr Ed?
That's foolish.
"Yeah, Idle! You've claimed every game on Day One, you're not doing it this game:
VOTE IDLE"
Is that how it's going to be every Day One if I don't claim?
If that's the case, I never want to play in another game with you, Special Ed. Not if you're going to base your vote on extremely pathetic, weak, and shady reasons like that.
And what's worse, nobody else seems to be calling you on it. It's like this stuff is just normal ways to behave.
What a joke
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Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 7:31:50 GMT -5
I'm wondering why you haven't claimed. I've always known you to claim on Day 1 unprovoked. In fact, you've taken a kind of pride in doing so. And ANYONE we try to lynch Day 1 can ask why we're forcing them to claim. We should lynch someone on Day 1. Why should we suspect you having a power role more than anyone else? I read this as a "damed if you do, and damned if you don't". You never like claims on Day 1 - you never have and I didn't think you ever would. But now you're saying that Idle not claiming it worse than Idle claiming, cause he always claim. I fail to understand your logic. But I don't really like the way you seem to push for a claim. So this vote feels far better than the vote I was thinking of placing on Chucara. So because I don't understand where you're comming from and where you're heading: Vote ED
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 7:35:20 GMT -5
That's just it too.
I claim on Day One in the last game I'm in and I GET VOTED ON.
I don't claim on Day One in this game and I GET VOTED ON.
What the hell? Voting on someone because they haven't claimed on Day One? Or voting on someone just because their role is non-recruitable?
That's what two people are apparently doing. It's a bunch of nonsense.
Let me tell you, if you guys are really town, either killing me off or FORCING me to claim (what you guys seem to be dead set on doing) is going to come back and kick you in the NUTS, because you're not going to like what I'm going to claim. If you're really Town (and I'm starting to think you're not), then you're going to wish you had shut up...because you're not going to like my role being revealed this early, I'll tell you that much.
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Post by Chucara on Apr 6, 2009 8:08:49 GMT -5
Idle: I still not sure I understand the reasoning behind your I can't be recruited claim. I think it only really makes sense I you can be recruited. I don't like Ed's apparent push for a claim, and I can only say that if you are town, you shouldn't claim anything else. If you are scum or third party, I obviously think you should claim. This goes for all of the non-townies btw. With 10 hours to go, everyone has posted at least once (good). But it also means that we can't simply vote someone off to avoid a non-reveal (good and bad). As always, there is much fluff on day one (I've done a fair deal of that as well), and I can't find a person that stand out as more fluffy or lurking than others. The only one that stands out in my book are Ed, Ulla and Idle: Ed: Seemed to push for Idle claiming. Ulla: Seemed to be pushing for me - for being inactive on day one. And yes, I am usually much more active on day ones, but I haven't been in this game for two reasons: I was out of town saturday, hung over sunday, and preoccupied with making the time zone tool before that. Second reason is that after playing two games as scum, my enthusiasm for mafia has fallen a little. Idle: Weird claim of not being able to be recruited. There are pro-town reasons for this as well as scum. Pro town are higher IMO. For Ulla and Ed, I think both plays would be strong for scum. Unforunately, this also means that I have absolutely no idea who to vote for, which also means that I have absolutely nothing other than gut feeling to place my vote with. vote nanook is the lucky winner. It's not the most confident vote I've ever placed, and I leave nanook little means of a defence, and I'm sorry. I really don't know who else to vote for, but with 10 hours again, I feel obligated to vote for someone.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Apr 6, 2009 8:20:41 GMT -5
Whoa whoa whoa...Ed is voting just because you haven't claimed? That really doesn't make a lot of sense...usually we don't want people to claim on Day One, remember?
Unvote: Idle Vote: Ed
--FCOD
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 8:22:21 GMT -5
Apparently.
But my favorite is SHAGGY's reason for voting for me: "If you can't be recruited, you must be the recruiter".
Yeah, okay there, buddy. Don't let those delusions get down too much.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 6, 2009 9:44:08 GMT -5
Pede did a lot of work looking at roles. While this is helpful, I'm guessing he has some sort of ulterior motive. Maybe a third party who needs to figure out all the roles used in the game? I don't want to discourage people from doing that sort of extensive analysis by voting for those who do it, but I do wonder. Actually, it didn't take much work. I just grouped the roles on the list into various categories until a pattern emerged. And it was pretty quick, too. But I also had no ulterior motive. I was trying to bring up a point for discussion. No-one was talking, and I saw something I could do that could help the town sooner or later and be interesting, so I did it. Simple as that. I am not liking the Idle case. To me, it looks like scum are trying to pounce on the guy who always acts weird, since he's an easy lynch. And I agree that of the votes, Ed's is the weakest. So: Unvote: Nanook Vote: Mr. Special Ed
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 10:26:08 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 6, 2009 10:26:08 GMT -5
I've managed to wrest the PC away from Yattara long enough to compose a short post; I won't get on later because we're planning on answering the question "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" (or words to that effect).
I'm a little surprised to see that people are voting for Idle for the reasons given. I have to admit to being a little uneasy about his action; if he's telling the truth about being unrecruitable, he's just made the job of whichever faction can recruit much easier, especially if there are only a limited number of recruitments.
Shaggy's vote is extremely poorly reasoned. From my experience (I've played two games where the main anti-Town element had a recruiting power, and three (I think) with one-shot recruitment.) A recruitment action is more powerful than a Night kill, because it moves the recruiting team further towards their goal (which is usually being at least 50% of the living players). It is essential to balance the power of recruitment, and one technique is to include some unrecruitable roles.
What is really bugging me though is post [ürl=http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wat&action=display&thread=849&page=7#44073]D01.203[/url]. He votes Idle and backs this by claiming that Idle may be scum because he hasn´t claimed yet, and he always claims. It´s voting for someone for not doing something that Mr SE thinks shouldn´t be done.
I could just as easily argue that Idle always uses screaming large fonts to protest his innocence (since he did so two games in a row), and the fact that he isn´t doing so shows that he has a guilty conscience. It would be just as much basis for a vote as Mr SE's vote.
Vote: Mr Special Ed ,
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 10:27:12 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Apr 6, 2009 10:27:12 GMT -5
Let´s try that again.
Vote: Vote: Mr Special Ed
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 11:01:51 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 6, 2009 11:01:51 GMT -5
This is an interesting bandwagon on Paul. Idle: claims to be unrecruitable, for reasons that don't really jive to me. Has taken much flack for this. Special Ed: says the only time Idle hasn't claimed day One (not true, btw) is when he was a Jester? And so wants to vote for him? Paul: made a silly joke that rings wrong, and uses Pollux's seriously weak argument to OMGUS me. I'm not going to get on the Ed-wagon, that's moving far too fast for me. I'm not going to vote for Idle either, I don't see that he's done anything especially voteworthy (Idle always pings me, and I'm taking that into account). Lots of other players are pinging me, but Paul has again elevated himself above that crowd with his countervote. I think my vote stays put for now, and I'd like to see how Ed reacts to his impending lynch. It'll be funny if he claims Day One and Idle doesn't.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 11:15:36 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 6, 2009 11:15:36 GMT -5
Hey all, this mornings vote count is here!
Mr. Special Ed (5) - Idle, Total Lost, FCoD, pede, MHaye Idle Thoughts (4) – Almost Human, hawkeye, Special Ed, Shaggy KidV (2) - Pollux, Paul BillMc (1) – moodymitchy Hawkeyeop (1) – Captain Pinkies Nanook (1) - Chucara Paulwhoisaghost (1) – KidV Pedescribe (1) – Nanook Total Lost (1) - Bufftabby
17 out of a possible 20 votes cast. Looks like there will be a lynch toDay.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 12:08:37 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 6, 2009 12:08:37 GMT -5
*I'm not a Cop either.../quote] Idle, once again you give scum information for no benefit. Now it is possible you are lying, but I don't find it unlikely. This might not mean your scummy, but it certainly helps the scum. If you are going to claim than claim, but these half assed measures help scum and don't help town. Others have harped on Ed's comment, but I need to point out the painful logic. If you think "he should learned by now" why don't you consider the possibility that he has? Paul, in the game I ran, I gave a sample vanilla and forbid quoting roles. It was just a way to give a baseline to all the players. Even you can't quote pms you still will refer to them, and not knowing what they are supposed to look like can be trickey for scum or third parties. I wouldn't read too much into that. Pede sure that is possible, but that is what you would have said regardless. It is less the amount of work really, and more why would you put your focus there. Maybe it is nothing beyond being a helpful townie (and I likely won't act on this intel without more concrete evidence), but I think you are looking for something. I worry when people seem too helpful.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 12:21:39 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 12:21:39 GMT -5
I don't see how it helps or doesn't help scum. As you said, I could be lying. The WiFoM is now on them.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 12:27:23 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Apr 6, 2009 12:27:23 GMT -5
Idle is right... I remember, because I thought it was odd that they posted a sample vanilla role pm. Why would anyone need to see a sample vanilla role pm if no one was allowed to quote role pms? NAF wouldn't answer... he said they preferred to remain cryptic and that someone would likely come along and explain the events of the Firefly game that pertain to this situation.... any takers on that? You could also go read the firefly game. It was a good game, and had a cracking Day 1. We broke the board we were so busy.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:16:30 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Apr 6, 2009 13:16:30 GMT -5
I don't see how it helps or doesn't help scum. As you said, I could be lying. The WiFoM is now on them. Information regarding powers helps scum. Information about alignment helps town. The entire game is about maxamizing the pro-town information and minimizing the pro-scum data. You are giving the scum information on powers for no town gain.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:18:12 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:18:12 GMT -5
I don't see how it helps or doesn't help scum. As you said, I could be lying. The WiFoM is now on them. Information regarding powers helps scum. Information about alignment helps town. The entire game is about maxamizing the pro-town information and minimizing the pro-scum data. You are giving the scum information on powers for no town gain. And what does that have to do about what I said? "I'm not a Cop" is neither of those things. I respectfully disagree with you.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:31:27 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:31:27 GMT -5
Idle is right... I remember, because I thought it was odd that they posted a sample vanilla role pm. Why would anyone need to see a sample vanilla role pm if no one was allowed to quote role pms? NAF wouldn't answer... he said they preferred to remain cryptic and that someone would likely come along and explain the events of the Firefly game that pertain to this situation.... any takers on that? You could also go read the firefly game. It was a good game, and had a cracking Day 1. We broke the board we were so busy. Where is the Firefly game located?
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