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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:36:21 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:36:21 GMT -5
It's the third one down in the Past Game section down below (on the forum index).
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:38:58 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:38:58 GMT -5
This is an interesting bandwagon on Paul. Idle: claims to be unrecruitable, for reasons that don't really jive to me. Has taken much flack for this. Special Ed: says the only time Idle hasn't claimed day One (not true, btw) is when he was a Jester? And so wants to vote for him? Paul: made a silly joke that rings wrong, and uses Pollux's seriously weak argument to OMGUS me. I'm not going to get on the Ed-wagon, that's moving far too fast for me. I'm not going to vote for Idle either, I don't see that he's done anything especially voteworthy (Idle always pings me, and I'm taking that into account). Lots of other players are pinging me, but Paul has again elevated himself above that crowd with his countervote. I think my vote stays put for now, and I'd like to see how Ed reacts to his impending lynch. It'll be funny if he claims Day One and Idle doesn't. What bandwagon on me? I may have made a stupid joke that pinged some people, but so what? if it pinged you that hard then I have no problem with you voting me. You're wrong, but you're entitled to that. My apologies that you don't have the same sense of humor that I do. And my vote on you is not OMGUS... nor is it a me too vote running off of Pollux's vote. What you said seemed off to me, and pinged me more than anyone else. Ed is a close second for seeming to continually press Idle to claim. Just because Pollux was thinking the same thing as me and voted before me, doesn't mean I am me-tooing his vote. I'm sure there are others who thought your comment was fishy. They just haven't said anything about it because they are pinged harder by the actions of others.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:41:34 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:41:34 GMT -5
It's the third one down in the Past Game section down below (on the forum index). Thanks Idle.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:43:09 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:43:09 GMT -5
Okay, the time has come, I feel. A few things first: 1. This day is slow. Much slower than average. Never seen a game this slow on here before. And that scares me a little because if it's being this slow, it might just stay this slow until the end of Day. 2. Special Ed and I are neck in neck. He is up by one vote but if anyone unvotes him and votes me, it's turned around just like that. 3. Pardon me if I worry, therefore, because I know I am Town..whereas Ed could be anything (and his decisions for voting as he has and posts have been frightfully foolish and un-town-like). He may be scum or he may not be...but if he is, it could be too easy for scum to play with the votes them being this close...and even if he isn't, they might like me dead better anyway due to not being recruitable. 4. Day ends in about 5 or hours...so again, that's cutting it a bit too close for my comfort. 5. I know how some people in this game play and I know many games usually have slow beginnings...and ends where a huge influx of voting changes can take place, where scum can basically pick who they want to lynch. If Ed is town, then they'd have their pick of me or him. If he is scum, they'll probably pick me near the last minute. Either way, that's bad for me...who (a la number 3's first sentence) knows I'm Town but has no idea what Ed's alignment is. Therefore pardon me if I am out to save my own head just a little bit more. 6. The pressure/votes that are on me right now (more notably from Ed and Shaggy (who, by the way, has said he won't be on again)) is pretty crappy. Almost Human's reason for voting is a bit better, but still, in my opinion, sucky (although that may be biasness since it's against me) By and large I feel that I SHOULDN'T have to be claiming right now, but for reasons 1-5 above, I'm going to. So congrats, Ed...you get your way. But you better not count this as a future "you always claim on Day One" because I wouldn't have if I didn't have people voting for me for damn stupid reason, such as: "You always claim on Day One, so I'm voting for you". Ironic, isn't it? I'm sure you're thrilled. And so, without further ado.. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am the Regretful Vigilante.Every Night I may submit a person to kill. My kills are 100 percent certain to go through (I cannot be stopped by a Roleblocker), however I may choose not to kill anyone. If I kill someone who is human, aka anyone on the good side, I will kill MYSELF the same Night. Due to my "extreme sense of justice", I cannot be recruited to the evil side. I have a 25 percent chance of killing anyone who tries to kill me (at Night). A few more things I have to add based on things said in my PM: There is a group called Temple who are not the aliens. I believe this group to be, for the most part, on the good side...simply because I either win with them or with Town, plus the PM makes it clear I hate and seek Aliens, so I figure "Temple" is NOT another word for the Alien group. However they MAY be a Mason group who can steal the win from Town, so I'd be wary of them. They're probably cursing me right now for revealing this. But that's fine, I don't care, because Town members must be loving me. The people who recruit are the scum themselves, the Aliens,...not a third party. My PM makes this clear. Oh, and lastly, my name is Germain Degas. I have no idea who that is, I assume it's a name NAF/Kat made up for this game. Lynch me if you want. I don't really care anymore.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:47:31 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:47:31 GMT -5
Unvote: KidV [/unvote
Vote: Ed
I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town if he is. So I'm moving my vote to make it less likely that scum can swing the vote.
Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right?
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:48:21 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:48:21 GMT -5
PS: Temple members...blame Mr Special Ed and Shaggy for me revealing your group. If I wasn't feeling like I'm forced to claim, I wouldn't have told as much as possible to (hopefully) convince everyone I'm not scum.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:49:52 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:49:52 GMT -5
PSS: I say be wary of Temple simply because if I win with either Town OR Temple (if I'm alive at the end)...that makes it sound like Temple could win on their own. So yeah, be wary Townies.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:50:43 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:50:43 GMT -5
Errmmm...
Unvote: KidV
Vote: Ed
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:52:35 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 13:52:35 GMT -5
Unvote: KidV Vote: Ed I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town if he is. So I'm moving my vote to make it less likely that scum can swing the vote. Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? Gah.... that should say "I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town VIG if he is."
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:56:07 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:56:07 GMT -5
Unvote: KidV [/unvote
Vote: Ed
I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town if he is. So I'm moving my vote to make it less likely that scum can swing the vote.
Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? Probably, since my kills have a 100 percent chance of going through. Sounds like it'd be a nice power, but I pay with it with my life if I'm wrong......therefore, I doubt if any Doc can save me.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:59:12 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 13:59:12 GMT -5
Unvote: KidV Vote: Ed I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town if he is. So I'm moving my vote to make it less likely that scum can swing the vote. Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? Gah.... that should say "I dunno if he is telling the truth, but I don't want to lose a town VIG if he is." I'm not a Town Vig. I'm a "neutral" vig. If I were a Town I'd win only with Town and not with whatever this Temple group is. But I win with Town OR Temple. And I kill myself if I kill anyone from either of those groups.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 13:59:17 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Apr 6, 2009 13:59:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I believe Idle but the original reason Ed gave for voting Idle was that it was day one and Idle hadn't claimed.
So without much further ado
Vote Ed
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:00:30 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 14:00:30 GMT -5
This is why I say that Temple must be able to win alone, as their own group/faction. Because if I win with either of those groups, there must be some way for the other group to lose.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:02:00 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 14:02:00 GMT -5
Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? /snipped I don't understand you question. He said his kill will always go through. If he kills Town one Night, then the next Night he will kill himself. I don't see a doctor being able to protect him from that. But could be I'm wrong - just don't think it would work like that. If you ask if a doctor can protect him toNight while he vig's someone (and that someone might be Town) - I would guess from the claim, that even a paranoid doc can't block his kill (the roleblocking part) - but that a paranoid doc would still protect is likely (I think)... But why is this important right now??
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:05:05 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 6, 2009 14:05:05 GMT -5
This is an interesting bandwagon on Paul. *snip*/quote] What bandwagon on me? I may have made a stupid joke that pinged some people, but so what? if it pinged you that hard then I have no problem with you voting me. You're wrong, but you're entitled to that. My apologies that you don't have the same sense of humor that I do. And my vote on you is not OMGUS... nor is it a me too vote running off of Pollux's vote. What you said seemed off to me, and pinged me more than anyone else. Ed is a close second for seeming to continually press Idle to claim. Just because Pollux was thinking the same thing as me and voted before me, doesn't mean I am me-tooing his vote. I'm sure there are others who thought your comment was fishy. They just haven't said anything about it because they are pinged harder by the actions of others. Sorry, bandwagon on ed. And I didn't say your joke wasn't funny, I said it was the kind of joke I can see scum making. The tendency to make depreciating comments like that when you aren't Town is strong. It's reliable tell... maybe not 100%, but way more than enough for Day One. Add your specious vote for me, and I'm way comfortable with my vote for you. And you're backpedaling now, by the way, which isn't helping you at all... here's the post where you voted me: ... and now you're trying to claim that's not a "me too" vote? After explicitly stating that you couldn't find an argument against me until Pollux made his? The smear, combined with crap reasoning, and now the backpedaling... you're scum, and you're reaching too hard.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:06:51 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 14:06:51 GMT -5
No, no, Total Lost...that is wrong.
If I kill a Town during the Night, I kill myself THE SAME NIGHT. The same Night that I kill a Town, I will kill myself (so the kills showing up in the morning would be whoever I killed and myself, at the very least).
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:10:42 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 14:10:42 GMT -5
Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? /snipped I don't understand you question. He said his kill will always go through. If he kills Town one Night, then the next Night he will kill himself. I don't see a doctor being able to protect him from that. But could be I'm wrong - just don't think it would work like that. If you ask if a doctor can protect him toNight while he vig's someone (and that someone might be Town) - I would guess from the claim, that even a paranoid doc can't block his kill (the roleblocking part) - but that a paranoid doc would still protect is likely (I think)... But why is this important right now?? Actually, he said that if he kills town or temple that he will die the same Night. I took that to mean that at dawn there would be two bodies, his and his target's. It's not important right now, was just one of the first things that popped into my head that I couldn't figure out on my own.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:14:10 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Apr 6, 2009 14:14:10 GMT -5
See... like I thought... That's why I couldn't figure it out on my own...
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:14:36 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 14:14:36 GMT -5
Actually, he said that if he kills town or temple that he will die the same Night. I took that to mean that at dawn there would be two bodies, his and his target's. It's not important right now, was just one of the first things that popped into my head that I couldn't figure out on my own. Turns out you were right and I was wrong. Hmmm, no matter what - I guess idle has saved us a whole lot of "do we have a vig/SK/extra NK"-discussion if he gets it wrong. Just imagine the confusion if he picked a Town/Temple and died as well without us really knowing what was going on.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:16:08 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 14:16:08 GMT -5
Actually, if you want to get technical, I was told if I killed a HUMAN, I'd kill myself. But I assume both the Town and Temple groups are humans since it's made clear to me my only reason for existing is to kill Aliens. Plus the whole fact of winning with either groups kinda shows they're not aliens.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:17:56 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 6, 2009 14:17:56 GMT -5
Initial thought on Idle's claim... if the doc protects him and he does accidentally kill town, he survives right? /snipped I don't understand you question. He said his kill will always go through. If he kills Town one Night, then the next Night he will kill himself. I don't see a doctor being able to protect him from that. But could be I'm wrong - just don't think it would work like that. If you ask if a doctor can protect him toNight while he vig's someone (and that someone might be Town) - I would guess from the claim, that even a paranoid doc can't block his kill (the roleblocking part) - but that a paranoid doc would still protect is likely (I think)... But why is this important right now?? Not the next Night, Ulla, the same night. Different mechanic than SisterCoyote has claimed in the Giraffe game. I too doubt that a same-night Doc protect will save Idle if he aims wrong... an unstoppable kill is enormous. If true, it suggests that the scum have powers.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:19:54 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 14:19:54 GMT -5
I dunno...I see the unstoppable kill balanced out with the "The first time you're wrong, you're dead" factor.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:22:44 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 14:22:44 GMT -5
Actually, if you want to get technical, I was told if I killed a HUMAN, I'd kill myself. But I assume both the Town and Temple groups are humans since it's made clear to me my only reason for existing is to kill Aliens. Plus the whole fact of winning with either groups kinda shows they're not aliens. But that would indicate that Town and Temple might share a common goal - to kill all aliens. That's at least something good (if your claim is true, the theory is true and my conclusion is true). Oh, well - at least we now know that the theory 20 players means 4-5 scum might not be the case, if we have a 3rd group in the game. And without us knowing if the "Temple"-group wins with Town or only on their own - I would say NAF/KAT has made a pretty good job in making a mass claim never ever work. But then again I remember NAF telling me, he didn't mind being a bit of an evil mod (that's the first time I fell for the guy) - so it seems only fair that I would blame him for it now... when I'm not asking advice but playing in his game ;D
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:25:36 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 6, 2009 14:25:36 GMT -5
Let's not get ahead of ourselves... Idle claimed with a rope around his neck. Don't count on anything he's said to be legit, yet.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:27:28 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Apr 6, 2009 14:27:28 GMT -5
Not the next Night, Ulla, the same night. Different mechanic than SisterCoyote has claimed in the Giraffe game. I too doubt that a same-night Doc protect will save Idle if he aims wrong... an unstoppable kill is enormous. If true, it suggests that the scum have powers. That was the claim I was thinking of - but I guess I should stop thinking and read a bit more The scum might have great powers - but if we have a 3rd- group in the game, I have no idea how the balance would work. I've only played in games with "lonely" 3rd - so right now I'm clueless (please - just please - try to refrain from any smart remarks)
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:31:34 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Apr 6, 2009 14:31:34 GMT -5
You keep working on my karma, and I promise not to poke fun at you.
Much.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:36:31 GMT -5
Post by Almost Human on Apr 6, 2009 14:36:31 GMT -5
unvote idle
I'm a bit unsure about the double win condition but it isn't enough for me to want you dead on Day 1 and your power could obviously be really useful.
Don't know where to put my vote now though. I agree Ed's case was weak but not especially scummy.
Going to reread,
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:40:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 6, 2009 14:40:13 GMT -5
unvote idleI'm a bit unsure about the double win condition but it isn't enough for me to want you dead on Day 1 and your power could obviously be really useful. Don't know where to put my vote now though. I agree Ed's case was weak but not especially scummy. Going to reread, I read/took it as a bit of a Vig "survivor" role. Alive at the end with either of these two groups and you win--so as long as all the aliens are dead.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 14:53:06 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Apr 6, 2009 14:53:06 GMT -5
Friendly reminder: 3 hours to go.
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Day One
Apr 6, 2009 15:01:01 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Apr 6, 2009 15:01:01 GMT -5
Pede sure that is possible, but that is what you would have said regardless. It is less the amount of work really, and more why would you put your focus there. Maybe it is nothing beyond being a helpful townie (and I likely won't act on this intel without more concrete evidence), but I think you are looking for something. I worry when people seem too helpful. I worked on it because I had time, and no-one else had, and it was publicly available information. However, after Idle's revelation, it appears I was way off. Which means things like 'shaman' and 'pirate' have separate meanings, probably... hmm...
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