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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 4:53:19 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Jul 31, 2010 4:53:19 GMT -5
Well, Eureka's not dead yet, but a confirmed, uncontested Witch is proof enough for me. Therefore...
I vote for a man named Spec. Ed Who was told "You shall shortly be dead". Since what happened last night He's been oddly forthright, But can we trust all that he's said?
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 5:16:08 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 31, 2010 5:16:08 GMT -5
This is off to a flying start toDay. From a quick read through:
Vote: special ed Sach, I'll concede that this is supporting evidence for your theory.
Need to have a re-read of Day1 in light of the comments and deaths.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 6:06:45 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jul 31, 2010 6:06:45 GMT -5
Some more beginner's questions: nphase, you want to know why I posited what I did? Right here. I'm pretty sure my original comment was in response to septimus (although it might have been to stanislaus, come to think of it -- I might have the two players mixed up), and what I was saying was that, however unlikely, it was not completely out of the realm of possibility that the witches weren't actually witches. Because that's something a new player wouldn't know. I assume (but don't know, and he's dead now) that MHaye posted what he did for similar reasons. (Also, to get a little metagamey, Town got burned by false masons in Ulla and Buff's Ragnarok game. And that's stuck with me.) As far as tone goes -- I'm a little out of practice. Your pursuit of what I saw as a teaching moment felt aggressive. Clearly, we have differing opinions about what's aggressive and what isn't. No, I completely concede it was aggressive. But it was also correct at least about MHaye (if Ed is to be believed, ton of salt, confirmed scum, etc etc). I have a whole Day; I'll look at the context and your posts as a whole before Tomorrow.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 6:12:15 GMT -5
Post by Renata on Jul 31, 2010 6:12:15 GMT -5
VOTE SPECIAL EDWe ED you ask why everyone investigated you...maybe as this isn't a normal game tings work in reverse... Perhaps the more vocal you are early on the more people look at you. That *is* the path of a normal game. And Ed was less vocal than usual, if anything.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 8:43:34 GMT -5
Post by stanislaus on Jul 31, 2010 8:43:34 GMT -5
See, I told you all he was a Wolf. vote special ed Thing is, I was also wondering if MHaye was a Wolf, just because he too seemed taken aback by the number of Detectives. However, I guess we'll find out one way or another. Speaking of Detectives, I really don't see any way other than coinflip for them to sort out which corpse to investigate. But with 3 Detectives, there's a 75% chance we'll get both corpses investigated, so fair enough. I'm not sure what else we can do toDay. We're down to two masons it seems, so if the missing one hasn't shaken hands with Bufftabby, that should definitely happen toDay. It might be necessary to claim towards the end of the Night, or risk being left unconfirmable. However, that's your decision. But it does bring me to this: Well, that will make for a quiet Day. In standard games, a quiet Day is a negative due to lack of discussion. But in Conspiracy, lack of discussion can be a good thing since we won't have to risk additional claims. Note to Masons: Since we have a confession on the table already, if you have discovered that bufftabby is lying scum, I suggest you hold that information for a future time. For example, you could reveal that information during Night Two just prior to Dawn (or later if you feel lucky). I'm not sure I agree with this. Town will always need discussion to find scum. Especially on a Day where we can keep our votes on Ed, there is no harm in continuing to discuss people, and even place other votes on them. ToDay is the one Day when people won't be forced to claim - we're all voting Ed. But seeing how people react to cases made against them (or their scumbuddies) will be vital. Giving up a whole day's worth of discussion is bad play.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 10:27:47 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Jul 31, 2010 10:27:47 GMT -5
But can we trust all that he's said? No, I don't think so. But what he has said has induced a confirmable statement from bufftabby, so it's info. Next, he's made some implied statements about Captain Pinkies which I'm having a hard time believing as they would clash with Idle having the town secret power and vicar being a day power. He's (ed) mentioned this twice so far so, I find myself less inclined to believe him. There is a fair possibility that everything he's said so far is nonsense, it is what I would do and have done before when caught with my hand in the cookie jar.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 10:38:10 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Jul 31, 2010 10:38:10 GMT -5
No, I don't think so. But what he has said has induced a confirmable statement from bufftabby, so it's info. Actually, squink's death did that. Ed just got to it first.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 11:38:40 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 31, 2010 11:38:40 GMT -5
A side note: I don't think Squink has played many games on this board, but she plays a lot on Giraffe, so she's a fairly experienced player.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 12:18:15 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 12:18:15 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure I was wrong about it. : ) My only point was saying "No, I don't think the reason they were killed was because they were though of as overly skilled players, necessarily" without sounding mean. Because in my opinion everyone in this game is a skilled player.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2010 13:23:45 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure I was wrong about it. : ) My only point was saying "No, I don't think the reason they were killed was because they were though of as overly skilled players, necessarily" without sounding mean. Because in my opinion everyone in this game is a skilled player. Look at my won-loss record and try to call me skilled again.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 14:41:28 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 31, 2010 14:41:28 GMT -5
(Also, to get a little metagamey, Town got burned by false masons in Ulla and Buff's Ragnarok game. And that's stuck with me.) It's been a while since i reviewed Ragnarok but wasn't a key part of scum strategy in that game based on scum knowing there were no masons in the game? This game is already a lot more open than Ragnarok was and if Idle's information is correct, and I see no real reason to doubt it right now, the setup is almost completely open. I don't think the two are very comparable. A lot of people would say the only confirmed townie is a dead townie and while that's true, I have a hard time believing that Eureka and Nanook are anything but what they said.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 14:55:36 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 14:55:36 GMT -5
Inner Stickler....I'm not dead. So does that mean I'm not confirmed?
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 14:56:51 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 14:56:51 GMT -5
Yet, I should say. I'm not dead yet. Knowing my luck, just leaving it as is would seal my doom toNight. : p
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 14:57:30 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 14:57:30 GMT -5
Or it might anyway. Aw, hell, just go on and kill me already scum! Heh
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 15:16:56 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 31, 2010 15:16:56 GMT -5
Inner Stickler....I'm not dead. So does that mean I'm not confirmed? Well, until I see pleonast post Idle Thoughts, Town Scotsman, I'm not going to make any assumptions. That being said, the evidence in favor of you being town is quite high and other alignment theories would be less plausible.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 15:59:22 GMT -5
Post by Red Skeezix on Jul 31, 2010 15:59:22 GMT -5
Inner Stickler....I'm not dead. So does that mean I'm not confirmed? Well, until I see pleonast post Idle Thoughts, Town Scotsman, I'm not going to make any assumptions. That being said, the evidence in favor of you being town is quite high and other alignment theories would be less plausible. Interesting take on it. I mean, according to pleo, scotsman is exclusively a town role. I'm of the opinion that this is not a bastard game. Pleo would tell us if he was running a bastard game. I'm of the opinion that Pleo would consider being misleading in a role reveal to be bastardly, and thus would not do that. The only part I'm not clear on is why you are trying to maintain this wedge of "plausible suspicion", when it is so glaringly implausible for Idle to be anything but the town scotsman, confirmed.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:11:51 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2010 16:11:51 GMT -5
Well, until I see pleonast post Idle Thoughts, Town Scotsman, I'm not going to make any assumptions. That being said, the evidence in favor of you being town is quite high and other alignment theories would be less plausible. Interesting take on it. I mean, according to pleo, scotsman is exclusively a town role. I'm of the opinion that this is not a bastard game. Pleo would tell us if he was running a bastard game. I'm of the opinion that Pleo would consider being misleading in a role reveal to be bastardly, and thus would not do that. The only part I'm not clear on is why you are trying to maintain this wedge of "plausible suspicion", when it is so glaringly implausible for Idle to be anything but the town scotsman, confirmed. Those pesky wolves, you can't trust them, I tell ya! Not even you...
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:14:08 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 16:14:08 GMT -5
Inner Stickler....I'm not dead. So does that mean I'm not confirmed? Well, until I see pleonast post Idle Thoughts, Town Scotsman, I'm not going to make any assumptions. That being said, the evidence in favor of you being town is quite high and other alignment theories would be less plausible. In the rules thread, the Scotsman is listed as being a Town role: So why would Pleonast say, in the rules, that any Scotsman role in the game would be Town if he didn't really mean it? All the Scotsmen in past Conspiracy games have been Town. The rules say the Scotsman will be Town. I cannot think of any reason you'd try to cast doubt on that.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:18:56 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 31, 2010 16:18:56 GMT -5
Well, until I see pleonast post Idle Thoughts, Town Scotsman, I'm not going to make any assumptions. That being said, the evidence in favor of you being town is quite high and other alignment theories would be less plausible. Interesting take on it. I mean, according to pleo, scotsman is exclusively a town role. I'm of the opinion that this is not a bastard game. Pleo would tell us if he was running a bastard game. I'm of the opinion that Pleo would consider being misleading in a role reveal to be bastardly, and thus would not do that. I'm glad you cleared that up for me. I'd never run across this idea of what it means for there to be a lying mod. Given that scotsman is only in pleo's list of town roles, given that idle survived being lynched, given that pleo said Idle was a scotsman, yes, I'd say it's pretty damn likely idle's the scotsman. But until I see the role reveal, I'm not going to definitively state it. I'm sorry if that bothers you but I can't help it. What I'm curious about is why it's so important for you that people not question role claims.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:25:20 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 16:25:20 GMT -5
I mean, seriously... Pleo says this first, in the rules thread:
This leads me to believe that only the roles included in the rules will be in the game. Not all will or may be in it..but there won't be any "extra" or "different variation" roles in the game other than what's listed.
Then we have:
To me, that is all of the mod confirming any Scotsman in this game will be Town.
And lastly, in the beginning of Night One, he says:
So...seriously, Inner Stickler? Seriously? You're seriously still trying to cast doubt on me when it seems to be astoundingly clear that I'm a Scotsman and the Scotsman is Town?
Vote Inner Stickler For, in my opinion, trying to set up a an "out" to vote for me (and other possible roles) later on.
By all means, feel free to lynch me again, if you want. It'll work this time..but it won't make my role or faction any more different.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:27:37 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 16:27:37 GMT -5
Let me further ask you this....IS THERE ANY OTHER role on that list that says it can survive a lynch? I mean, you can give the excuse "well, it could be a secret power" but surviving the lynch AND BEING SAID "He's the Scotsman" (something the rules thread ALSO says will happen for the Scotsman role, by the way) What the fuck happened to Occams Razor in this game? Holy hell.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:32:41 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2010 16:32:41 GMT -5
Let me further ask you this....IS THERE ANY OTHER role on that list that says it can survive a lynch? I mean, you can give the excuse "well, it could be a secret power" but surviving the lynch AND BEING SAID "He's the Scotsman" (something the rules thread ALSO says will happen for the Scotsman role, by the way) What the fuck happened to Occams Razor in this game? Holy hell. now now, don't get upset. You know, Pleo may have said you were a Scotsman. Some of us may have figured it out before lynching you (what a great way to eliminate your power, btw, thanks). But, you did claim scum yesterday, or have you forgotten? LYNCH ALL LIARS Vote: Idle Thoughts
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 16:34:14 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 16:34:14 GMT -5
Oh, you're a riot, you are.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 17:00:32 GMT -5
Post by Inner Stickler on Jul 31, 2010 17:00:32 GMT -5
Idle, you're a lovely person and all, but not everything is about you. I don't want to lynch you. I'm not ever planning on lynching you. Because I am aware of how astronomically unlikely it is for you to be scum. So relax. What I was talking about before you oh so bluntly redirected the conversation onto your oh so special self was the situation with Nanook and Eureka. A situation that I feel pretty confident means that they are what they say they are. If I feel that way about them, how do you think I feel about your situation? Not that it really matters. Since you've been lynched, you're now essentially VT and therefore not a very interesting object of role discussion.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 17:12:07 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 31, 2010 17:12:07 GMT -5
Yes, I'm aware not everything is about me. The only thing that made me itchy was your "Only confirmed people are dead people" comment, in which I asked if I counted as confirmed or not, to you. Your basically saying "Uh, well I'll still have my reservations, thanks" was what made me wonder. I guess it just boils down to opinion, though. To me, if I saw the mod say what he did in the event of my first lynching (for someone else), that someone would be pretty much 100 percent confirmed in my mind...but I guess your (and possibly others) mileage varies. Unvote Inner Sticklerwhy can't everything be about me?
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 17:15:14 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2010 17:15:14 GMT -5
Oh, you're a riot, you are. Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new Wikipedia. Vote: sachertorte , the Vampire Vote: Captain Pinkies , the Vicar Vote: storyteller because I think you're undead too, and besides, peeker isn't here [/b][/color] Vote: Duvsie because I forgot you were even in this game Vote: Mister Blockey for being such an alpha of unquestionable maleness Vote: Bill because I won't be around on Day 3 when it's traditional to lynch you. Sorry, my wolfie buddy Burn at the Stake: Eureka and Zelda Vote: FCOD for being a bad, bad administrator Vote: septimus , for freedom Vote: whoever took away the vote and unvote buttons unless that was on a different site. Vote: Metallic Squnk because one death isn't good enough for you Vote: Kat! for excessive use of punctuation and for being a bad kitty Vote: bufftabby for ever Vote: Sister Coyote because she's a fracking coyote. I ean, really, what role would she want? Vote: stanislaus for making me think of cole slaw made out of Santa Claus when I read your name I'll get the rest of you later.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 18:34:00 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2010 18:34:00 GMT -5
Well this is easy: Vote Special Ed
I don't really have anything much to add. It doesn't help with the hidden roles for 1 Day bit making Day 2 a bit like another Day 1
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 18:44:10 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2010 18:44:10 GMT -5
I don't really have anything much to add. It doesn't help with the hidden roles for 1 Day bit making Day 2 a bit like another Day 1 huh?
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 18:52:10 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Jul 31, 2010 18:52:10 GMT -5
I don't really have anything much to add. It doesn't help with the hidden roles for 1 Day bit making Day 2 a bit like another Day 1 Okay, who's got the Blockey to English translator? Mine's on the fritz, apparently.
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Day Two
Jul 31, 2010 19:06:38 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Jul 31, 2010 19:06:38 GMT -5
Okay, who's got the Blockey to English translator? Mine's on the fritz, apparently. I think what he's trying to say is: we don't know the alignment/roles of the dead people yet, so Day 2 is just like another Day 1 with little to discuss. I think my Blockey translator is working fine. ;D
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