Day 1

[peekercpa]

seriously, folks. can we move off a most likely town vig and onto a non participant. that way we gather a whole shit pot of information depending on how Night plays out. then we don't have to go through the whole lurker/non participant shit later in the Days to come. at this point town has all of their powers in hand. and right now based on behavior and claims it is a target rich environment if we let the puffy dude live.

[septimus]

The argument that keeping the Vigilante alive for at least a while will give us information makes sense to me.
Unvote: Mr. Stay Puft

I'll vote for the player who's not posted once since signing up.
Vote: Twilight Fangirl

[Gir!]

Sept 17, 2010 15:00:23 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

<FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 12px">SQUEEK
(Gir, why are you voting Marcel?)

He spilled stuff aaaaaaaaaallllllll over post 328. He's a nasty probably-Townie-voter!

Sept 17, 2010 15:25:05 GMT -5 BillMc said:

The flip side however, is that he is more likely to hit town than scum - so it would be unlikely that scum would be pushing for his lynch.

Scum would be happy to jump on a fullspeed spinny Merry-Go-Round covered in marshymallows, though.

[Total Ullz]

First - I'm starting to find the "SQUEEK" a bit annoying. I can only imagine you feel the same by now

Sept 17, 2010 13:51:04 GMT -5 Total Ullz said:

What doesn't seem right to me is the fact that her vote didn't bring a lurker-lynch forward. It wasn't just a cast-a-way-vote because others did see the point in lynching the lurkers.
It was a cast-a-way-vote while others agree on the strategy and without even addressing that issue at all.

Sept 17, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

(Okay. And your vote is....on someone who's playing the game for...voting someone who isn't likely to get lynched. With three and one half hours to go, roughly, I could say "pot, kettle." So why vote for me and not for Curious George? How is his vote any less Scummy than mine?)

No. That not right. My vote is based on the fact the the motivation of you vote matched two other votes already been placed.
MY vote isn't for a lurker - you're not by far a lurker in this game - my vote was based on me thinking your vote was scummy.

Sept 17, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

(I am really bothered by your post. The idea of voting isn't to pile on someone who's garnered the most votes. It's to sway others to vote as you are voting, regardless of whether you're the first or fifteenth vote on that person. Yes, I could have voted BillMcBatman or Captain Pinkies. But I didn't find either of them to be behaving in an odd, unusual-for-them, or Scummy fashion. Since at the time I voted I had looked back at the Day and decided that FCoD was looking Scummiest, that's what I did. I voted for the person I thought was Scummiest. And you're voting for me for voting for the person I think is Scummiest, instead of following or trying to jump on a bandwagon. No ma'am, I don't like it one bit.)

Bolding is mine.
No - once more we disagree. You placed your vote on a lurker. For lurking. You made it clear that the vote was placed for FCoD because of the low numbers of posts.
Now I agree that you made it clear that you found his lack of posts to be more of a scum-tell, that BillMc or Duvsie.
But you placed the vote on a lurker for lurking.
Yet, you failed to even try to "sway others to vote as you are voting" even though others (including me) have stated that lynching a lurker might be the way to go.

Don't you see the difference?

You didn't try to sway anyone.

Sept 17, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

(Based on the latest vote count, I'm guessing we have some form of vote charger amongst us. This could be interesting. Last game, the vote charger was Scum. This game, I wouldn't even begin to hazard a guess which side they're on.)

Or a mod that can't count

And just to add - in your own words:

Sept 17, 2010 10:37:33 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

(Vote: FCoD/Joe for being here but not-here. Two posts just seems a suspiciously low number to me, for FCoD -- Two posts for BillMcBatman or La Comptesse Duvsie is far more normal. )

No word of scum in that vote.
You make it clear it a lynch-the-lurker-vote.
You even address the fact that other lurk/don't post much.
But you ignore the fact that BillMc already had a vote, that no-one else had called Duvsie a lurker, that captain had been vote as lurker as well.

But now - the vote was for:

Sept 17, 2010 14:39:19 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

Since at the time I voted I had looked back at the Day and decided that FCoD was looking Scummiest, that's what I did. I voted for the person I thought was Scummiest.

[peekercpa]

mod question: and maybe this is not in line with the rules but could be get a current ACCURATE vote count?[/color[/i]

[peekercpa]

Sept 17, 2010 16:18:18 GMT -5 peekercpa said:

mod question: and maybe this is not in line with the rules but could be get a current ACCURATE vote count?

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fuck let's try again.

[Renata]

I can't believe I'm agreeing with a bhok'aral. Have I lost my mind? Don't answer that.

Compulsory vig is a very unlikely claim for THOSE WHO ARE MURDERING PEOPLE AT NIGHT. The team variety thereof, that is; it's a obvious claim for a serial killer. But if a serial killer, then it's one who has every incentive in the world *to act like a vig*. And I have a rather unholy love for vigs. Some of my best friends are assassins, you know. I'd like to let him go at it, and see what happens.

I have a black mule, not a black horse. Heehee.

unvote: BillMcBatman[/color]
vote: Pinkies/Twilight[/color]

I have a ton more I want to say, but no time in which to say it. See you all Tomorrow, killers permitting.

[peekercpa]

oh fcs.

be = we

[Dirx]

Ok, well, Dexter is apparently fine with a drive-by vote for someone he apparently believes is town. I was really hoping he'd come back and respond to my questions, but it's time for me to head out here soon.

Unvote: Iskaral Pust

Vote: Dexter Morgan


I'm sorry that I'm not contributing to the "Save the marshmallow" drive, but I'm voting for what looks to me like scummy play. Stay Puft, if you're town, good luck to ya. Your paraphrasing of Ray's line a few posts back cracked me up but good. ;D

[peekercpa]

anyone have a clue what the vote count is?

[peekercpa]

Sept 17, 2010 16:22:32 GMT -5 Dirx said:

Ok, well, Dexter is apparently fine with a drive-by vote for someone he apparently believes is town. I was really hoping he'd come back and respond to my questions, but it's time for me to head out here soon.

Unvote: Iskaral Pust

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Vote: Dexter Morgan [/color]


I'm sorry that I'm not contributing to the "Save the marshmallow" drive, but I'm voting for what looks to me like scummy play. Stay Puft, if you're town, good luck to ya. Your paraphrasing of Ray's line a few posts back cracked me up but good. ;D[/quote]

i am hitting you with a trout. sheesh one time trust me dirx.

[peekercpa]

how come visions of ragnorak are flashing through my head.

[Dirx]

By my count, it's Stay Puft = 6, Twilight Fangirl = 5, Iskaral = 3, and Nakor, Marcel, Death of Rats, and Dexter = 1 each.

[Dirx]

I'm actually not a fan of lynching non-participants (this early in the game, anyway), as I've probably discussed in other games. I've only got a few minutes here, so I don't really have time to get into the whole lurker/non-participant differences and such.

Gimme another couple minutes to think it over. I may yet change my vote to keep the marshmallow from roasting.

[Natlaw]

Six Votes.

[/b] : Marcel Marceau (236), Rorscach (311), Buddy Christ (315), Zeddicus Zu'l Zoroander (319), Dr. Rajesh Ramayan Koothrappali (321), Dexter Morgan (375)[/ul]
Five Votes.

[/b] : Curious George (325), Nordom (383), Dr. Strangelove (391), Iskaral Pust (396)[/ul]
Three Votes.

[/b] : Mr. Stay-Puft (291), Jack Skellington (308), Nakor, the Blue Rider (313)[/ul]
One Vote.

[/b] : The Corinthian (141)
Marcel Marceau : Gir (340)
Death of Rats : Total Galadriel (369)
Dexter Morgan: Lt. Colombo (398)[/ul]

By my count, assuming an extra mystery vote on Twilight Fangirl possibly tied to george's. Iskaral made it from 6-4-4 to 6-5-4 so a bit of a defense vote but Mr. Stay Puft still up for lynch.
On preview Lt. Columbo moved Iskaral to a saver spot.

How long till Day ends? It getting bed time over here.

[septimus]

Sept 17, 2010 16:26:27 GMT -5 Dirx said:

By my count, it's Stay Puft = 6, Twilight Fangirl = 5, Iskaral = 3, and Nakor, Marcel, Death of Rats, and Dexter = 1 each.

That's assuming there's some secret vote for Twilight Fangirl (rather than just a moderater who can't count up to one!)

BTW, I'm in a really Eastern timezone and it's way past my bedtime. In future can we please avoid this last-minute insomnia-inducing suspense?

[Suburban Plankton]

Unvote
vote Twilight FanGirl

for reasons that should be obvious.

[peekercpa]

Sept 17, 2010 16:30:29 GMT -5 Dirx said:

I'm actually not a fan of lynching non-participants (this early in the game, anyway), as I've probably discussed in other games. I've only got a few minutes here, so I don't really have time to get into the whole lurker/non-participant differences and such.

Gimme another couple minutes to think it over. I may yet change my vote to keep the marshmallow from roasting.

fuck that was story's argument. and i beg to totally differ. if you aren't playing on Day 1 what leads me to believe that you will be playing later. and non participants are shit for both teams as the game progresses. best get rid of them early than have them pollute the stuff at the end of the game.

[peekercpa]

Sept 17, 2010 16:34:54 GMT -5 Natlaw said:

By my count, assuming an extra mystery vote on Twilight Fangirl possibly tied to george's.

<snipped>

fuck this i don't have an extra vote and has been previously mentioned anyone that would give me a gun is nuts.

[Suburban Plankton]

In the event of a tied vote at the end of the Day, how will the lynchee be decided?

[Dirx]

Alright, I thought it over, and I did have reason to believe Stay Puft was probably town even before he claimed. So,

Unvote: Dexter Morgan

Vote: Twilight Fangirl

BIG FAT FOS ON DEXTER MORGAN - This is where my suspicions Today really lie

[Natlaw]

Comment on Gir! vote (because it isn't really spelled out): 328 is Marcel voting for Puft because he believes his claim but is voting on a compulsive town vigilante becauses it would be a good mislynch.
It has some merrit but I can see it a typical play by the mime.

My only worry about the Fangirl lynch would be if he is an investigator but then again one that doesn't investigate isn't much use. If he flips town doctor that would have a implicit counter-claim against Eleanor so not as bad. The last rather-not-lynch on Day One would be a mason which is still possible since he not actually up for lynch and possible other masons might not have been online yet.

All-in-all my vote stays.

@curious george: until the next official vote count it possible (as I mentioned) unless you're claiming some super-duper power that guarantees that it cannot be the case?

[peekercpa]

woot woot the shriners are going to be happy.

get ulla on board for this puppy.

[peekercpa]

Sept 17, 2010 16:45:47 GMT -5 Natlaw said:

Comment on Gir! vote (because it isn't really spelled out): 328 is Marcel voting for Puft because he believes his claim but is voting on a compulsive town vigilante becauses it would be a good mislynch.
It has some merrit but I can see it a typical play by the mime.

My only worry about the Fangirl lynch would be if he is an investigator but then again one that doesn't investigate isn't much use. If he flips town doctor that would have a implicit counter-claim against Eleanor so not as bad. The last rather-not-lynch on Day One would be a mason which is still possible since he not actually up for lynch and possible other masons might not have been online yet.

All-in-all my vote stays.

@curious george: until the next official vote count it possible (as I mentioned) unless you're claiming some super-duper power that guarantees that it cannot be the case?

if you are talking about the vote then i am equally confused. because it is nothing that i am doing. and as has been noted giving me a gun would not be the most prudent play in the world. although i have had a really successful string lately of finding scum.

is that what you were after?

[BillMc]

Sept 17, 2010 16:08:29 GMT -5 Gir! said:

a fullspeed spinny Merry-Go-Round covered in marshymallows, though.

That's quite an image - and make me hungry!

But as I said, I'm good with keeping the marshmallow around

Vote: twilight fangirl

[sinjin]

I'm re-reading trying to find the start of the post-restriction discussion and see post 92 from Eleanor/sinjin quoting Nordrom/Natlaw on a possible self-outing as non-vanilla. I have to say I buy Nordrom's explanation from a couple posts later that this was not a self-outing, but judge for yourselves.

I give Eleanor a sidelong look, not enough so she notices. This is the second thing, after the post restrictions -- or the first, hah! -- she's commented on that is game-related but not scum-hunting related. A pattern? Or is there scum-hunting in here somewhere? We'll see, we'll see!

Sept 16, 2010 15:02:45 GMT -5 Renata said:

Sept 16, 2010 10:15:45 GMT -5 sinjin said:

Nice smudge there Iskral/phase. So if you believe Nordrom/Natlaw was not outing himself as vanilla what exactly was he doing? While you're at it please supply me with your list of acceptable scum-hunting techniques, especially those that are good day one. This early in the game I usually look for things that seem odd or off. Nordrom's statement seemed odd to me so I commented on it. The multitude of posting restrictions seemed odd to me so I commented on them and voted the one that seemed the silliest.

(I'm having a really hard time responding to your tone in this and the following posts, sinjin. If you are the town doctor, I'm sorry you're angry, but I'm just trying to play the game. If you are not, I don't know what to say. I wish you would have chosen a less hostile response as a tactic, because I'm rather upset. I can't manage to make this post in-character.)

On Natlaw: I read it (the second time -- the first time I saw it as you did but didn't think it worthy of comment in the context it was in) essentially as "OK, the last game was no-vanilla, and that might come up, but let's not have that discussion here because it might give something away". As something he could have plausibly said as vanilla as well as power role/scum/whatever.

I'm not going to bother answering the second question/request because you don't really mean it, you're just sniping at me. As should be more than evident by now, I find a too-exclusive focus on the odd or "off" to be a fairly decent scum tell, because the scum can't focus on the real ones and often have difficulty seeing townie behavior as suspicious even if it is. The "odd" and the "off" are some of what's left when those other things are taken away.

I don't know how to respond to the smudge accusation, either. It wasn't. I came in here this morning with the intention to re-read based on the hypothesis that one or two of the scum might jump at the superficial oddity of the post-restriction silliness, and you were always in my memory as one of the people who had done that. When I saw that you had *also* found Natlaw's "non-vanilla slip" worthy of comment, I was surprised enough to find out that was also you to feel like mentioning it before continuing on. You'd be more plausible in calling it a smudge if I had let it at that, at least until someone had called me out or something, but I had always intended to look further into it until I was happy one way or the other, and I did, and you've seen the result. Storyteller' sopinion on you is irrelevant, except insofar as if you ever do turn up scum, I'll be a bit more confident in him.

As for both Ed and Natlaw's comments and your response to them in context, it is the pattern that interests me. You say it yourself -- you have questioned virtually every little thing that is remotely odd, whether important, easily explainable or otherwise, and you haven't commented on anything else. That would be enough for a day one vote for me even in the absence of the other indicators that are also present.

I doubt you're the doctor at this point. We'll see. But I see no reason to keep my vote on you given your claim; there are other fish in the sea.

unvote sinjin/Eleanor

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1) I still think the original quote up there by Pust/phase is a smudge.

2) I don't think there is anything wrong with my tone in the post she quotes. I did get a little pissed in later posts.

3) I really do want to know what Pust/nphase's scum hunting techniques are on day one other than noting odd or off things in poster's statements. Really. What the hell else do you look for? What else are those "other things that are taken away" What other things, really?

4) It was a smudge because you found my behaviour scummy but didn't vote me until after I called you on the smudge. There would have been no Pust vote record to call up when I turned up town.

5) I don't believe that an SK would claim "compulsory" town vig. Nor would scum with a team helping him make-up a role claim. So I think that Mr. SP is as he claims.

6) I don't think we should lynch people we think are town.

7) I don't think Pust/nphse is town. Call it OMGUS if you want.

8) Apologies to Mr. Homicidalstorykiller. I felt like I was in the middle of a bufftabby debacle debacle and lost it. And I'm jealous because he is way more articulate that I am.

9) Vote Pust/nphase

[Suburban Plankton]

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I have a vested interest in knowing...

How many votes currently stand against Twilight Fangirl?

What happens if the Day ends in a tie vote?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

I'd be willing to move my vote to fangirl if things get close again. I just woke up and won't be leaving my desk for the next 18 minutes.

[Merestil Haye]

Sept 17, 2010 17:15:28 GMT -5 Suburban Plankton said:

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I have a vested interest in knowing...

How many votes currently stand against Twilight Fangirl?

What happens if the Day ends in a tie vote?

1. I'll do another vote count after this.

2. I don't know. Shall we find out together? (Translation : I think there needs to be a bit of Mod consultation. But don't assume you'll like the results.)

[Suburban Plankton]

You could always move it now, as a sort of pre-emptive strike, just in case...I wouldn't think any less of you for it...