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Post by BillMc on Sept 27, 2010 11:33:30 GMT -5
4) For the investigators: how do you results get affect by redirectors? Did you get 'player is this and that' or just a result without player name? that buddy was scummy
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 27, 2010 11:46:34 GMT -5
SQUEEK!! (WTF is this? Smudge the Rat day?) No, just listing the possibilties: -There was no kill -Lt Columbo claims he blocked you So a possible way those facts can be combined is that you were a blocked killer last Night. But there is not enough information to say whether that's what actually happened (or at least I don't have that information - you would know differently of course). I listed other ways why there was no kill. There are propably more when you start considering redirectors but there has been no claims about those yet.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 27, 2010 12:01:19 GMT -5
and not to distract the mob from the task at hand but .... i find the opposite to be true to be honest. as scum i am pouring over every word and phrase trying to figure out a way to twist it. as town i am just reading a book and developing impressions as i move along. I actually agree that skimming is not indicative one way or the other. I've certainly had my fair share of stupid questions that had been answered a post or two earlier. I was attempting to razz him. Next time I will include a smiley.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 27, 2010 12:15:50 GMT -5
and not to distract the mob from the task at hand but .... i find the opposite to be true to be honest. as scum i am pouring over every word and phrase trying to figure out a way to twist it. as town i am just reading a book and developing impressions as i move along. I actually agree that skimming is not indicative one way or the other. I've certainly had my fair share of stupid questions that had been answered a post or two earlier. I was attempting to razz him. Next time I will include a smiley. i figured it was a touch tongue in cheek but you know how us masons can be. ;D
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2010 12:21:34 GMT -5
I went back and took a look at Buddy Christ's posts, and noticed a couple things. First, he doesn't use the "Daddy Bless you" line at all on Day 1, but he uses it consistently (sort of) on Day 2. His Day 2 posts (all times PDT (GMT-7)): Post 93 - 9/20 18:59 Post 112 - 9/21 05:31 Post 193 - 9/22 05:33 Post 194 - 9/22 05:33 Post 279 - 9/23 05:56 Post 298 - 9/23 11:14 Post 453 - 9/24 09:25 Post 454 - 9/24 09:25 Note that both Posts 193 and 194 were edited by Mister Blockey. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that the "Daddy bless you, Buddy" at the end of Post 193 was not put there by Buddy himself, but was added my Mister Blockey, and I'm positive that the "Sure thing--- Your Father" in Post 194 was the edit He again omits the 'signature line' in Post 453, and again follows up with a "Please insert..." post, but this time nothing is edited. Why the Mod would choose to make those edits, and then not make a corresponding second set of edits, I don't know. But I'm assuming that nothing that happens in this game is by chance...
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 27, 2010 12:35:35 GMT -5
::: Points and body and points again repeatedly, to the same point, as if to indicate a target FAR in the distance. Then makes two fists. and pulls the right fist about a foot behind the left fist, then snaps the right fist back another three inches, opening his fist ::: Perhaps I'm aiming at a FAR OUT THERE target here. Given this game perhaps we should look at it. Anyone else have their Karma go up or change? I believe mine went up. The head scratcher for me though, is that I can't point to any "good" action I have done this game. [Pointing to less than good actions, yeah well.] Even so, Doesn't Raj have an issue that relates to the gender symbols just three lines above Karma? YMMV. * This post is provided free of charge. If you do not find it of value, return unused portion for a refund. Sorry. That was me. If I read a post I find amusing, I always click on the karma. Also I keep pushing for people with negative karma to get positive karma. Totally not game-related.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 27, 2010 12:41:01 GMT -5
Buddy Christ post restriction starts after her editing out spoilers for the LotR Mafia game on the SDMB, in fact she practically asks for it so I wouldn't read too much into that. Okay. I realized after the fact that I accidentally included spoilers to another game, so I'm editing my post to avoid that sentence. I will take whatever punishment I am given. Looking at her Day One vote: So as far as I can see, the case against Iskaral is that he said "I don't believe this claim, but I'm unvoting." I don't have a problem with that in the way that most people do. Absent a counterclaim, you SHOULD unvote a claimed Town doctor, even if you don't particularly believe it. If the Scum has a roleblocker (and I swear to MYSELF that this time, it's not me ), you'll know soon enough if the claim was true, and if not, and a different doctor ends up claiming or dead, we've got a Scum. Easy peasy. So unvoting is the proper Town play, even if you don't believe the claim. It'll work itself out eventually. Stay-Puft is another story. Apparently, the case on him revolves around his reaction to the various post restrictions, and it's a case that resonates a bit more with me. Post restrictions are a null tell, and I don't care if someone actually has one, or if they're staying in character because they think it's fun. The noise added to the thread is minimal if people just ignores them as the null tells that they are. It's when people like Stay-Puft press the issue that it noises up the thread for no real reason. Most people with post restrictions can't come out and say that's what they are. This is the only situation I can think of where too much discussion of it begins to verge on anti-Town. Normally the meme is that any discussion is pro-Town, but if you keep forcing the issue on someone who may be unable to actually respond, and then vote for them based on that (especially when, as I may have mentioned, post restrictions are a NULL TELL), it creates noise and causes problems. I think it's best for Town to let people get their ideas out there, and not care about the language or character they are using to present those ideas. Vote: Stay-PuftIt's the fifth vote on Puft after Iskaral climbed to 3 Puft - 0 Iskaral to 3 Puft - 4 Iskaral. Rorschach was the fourth vote on Puft in between.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2010 13:51:07 GMT -5
Buddy Christ post restriction starts after her editing out spoilers for the LotR Mafia game on the SDMB, in fact she practically asks for it so I wouldn't read too much into that. Okay. I realized after the fact that I accidentally included spoilers to another game, so I'm editing my post to avoid that sentence. I will take whatever punishment I am given. OK, I see the timing. I guess I didn't (and still don't) see the correlation between "Oops...I posted spoilers for another game so I had to edit my post..." and "OK, you must end all posts from this point on with the following 'signature'...". But I freely admit that this game has me to the point of seeing shadows everywhere, so it's very possible I'm trying to read something that isn't there.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 27, 2010 13:53:54 GMT -5
Crucify Him!
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If Batman is truthful and after the investigation of him I have no qualms, I just have to say - Finally some information! Woo!
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 27, 2010 14:15:45 GMT -5
Day One:
Maniac: George [8-325] Meeko: Eleanor [19-26], Marcel [68-119], Eleanor [194-221] Marcel: Eleanor [26-88], Stay Puft [230-291], Gir! [340], Death of Rats [437] Nakor: Corinthian [141-434] Rorschach: Rajesh [161-300] Stay Puft: Strangelove [233-391], Marcel [235], Nordom [289-383], Rorschach [311], Buddy Christ [315], Zedd [319-425], Rajesh [321], Dexter [375] Eleanor: Maniac [248-270], Iskaral [258-277], Death of Rats [265-267] Iskaral: Stay Puft [291-406], Rajesh [300-321], Skellington [308], Columbo [309-398], Nakor [313], Eleanor [415] Batman: Iskaral [320-396] Fangirl: George [325], (extra vote) [371], Nordom [383], Strangelove [391], Iskaral [396], Stay Puft [406], Columbo [410], Batman [414], Zedd [425], Corinthian [434] Joe/Elizabeth: Death of Rats [342-378] Death of Rats: Galadriel [369] Dexter: Columbo [398-410]
Not voting (3): Joe/Elizabeth, Fangirl, La Duquesa/Narrator
266: Eleanor claims doctor 323: Stay Puft claims compulsive vigilante 423: George claims mason
Night One Marcel uses mass block
(marked masons as town only strictly they aren't confirmed yet)
Correction to previous post: Iskaral was up 5-3 vs Puft when Buddy voted.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2010 14:56:14 GMT -5
I went back and took a look at Buddy Christ's posts, and noticed a couple things. First, he doesn't use the "Daddy Bless you" line at all on Day 1, but he uses it consistently (sort of) on Day 2. His Day 2 posts SNIP :: Makes the scissors motion :: I'm more curious about Buddy's day 3 votes myself. Exactly. Could a power exist to change a Detective's power? [ ]
This would be different from a miller, I assume millers stick to the player for all to see. The power change I am talking about would be as a redirect, except that it would.... target and "Edit" the result given to a single player.
Chaoslace gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=2265, Purelace, et. al. Using the Magic Vernacular. Would be interesting, if two Dicks [assuming we have that many] were to target the same player, and get different results. Did we rule out Dicks that are always wrong, Dicks that have a percentage fail rate, etc?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2010 14:57:40 GMT -5
::: Raises a Finger :::
NETA : Posts not Votes.
I swear my brain has not been my own for like a week now.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 27, 2010 15:06:10 GMT -5
Day Two:
Stay Puft: Rajesh [37-376], Death of Rats [39-241], Buddy Christ [45], Meeko [52-76], Marcel [77-162] Batman: Iskaral [50-319], Stay Puft [287-437], Zedd [347] Gir!: Eleanor [96-99] Maniac: Nordom [133-329], George [303-332], Iskaral [460] Marcel: Corinthian [160-250], Marcel [162-408], Meeko [168-237], Rorschach [171-420], Skellington [175-411], Zedd [346-347] Iskaral: Eleanor [187-359], Batman [281-536] Rajesh: Meeko [237-510], Strangelove [471-513] Corinthian: Columbo [251-450], Nakor [407-414], Skellington [411-444] Columbo: Corinthian [261-393], Maniac [299], George [332-502] Zedd: Gir! [265-354], Corinthian [393-511] Gir!: Galadriel [278-290], Eleanor [359-531] Death of Rats: Galadriel [290] Narrator: (extra vote) [295], Rajesh [479], George [502], Nordom [504], Stay Puft [506-530], Meeko [510], Corinthian [511], Strangelove [513], Eleanor [531], Marcel [535], Batman [536], Dexter [539], Elizabeth [541] Strangelove: Nordom [337-480], Rajesh [376-479], Stay Puft [464-485], Narrator [469-515] Elizabeth: Skellington [444], Nakor [526], Narrator [529], Stay Puft [530]
Not voting: Rorschach
37: Rajesh claims vigilante with diminshing returns 183: Marcel claims single shot mass role block 289: Batman claims cop (later role + alignment) 347: Zedd claim investigator (either threat-to-town or powers) 413: Corinthian claims mason 450: Columbo claims role blocker 471: Strangelove claims mason
Night Two: No kills Eleanor is jailed Batman investigates Buddy Christ as Scum Corruptor Zedd investigates Batman as no threat to town Columbo blocks Death of Rats Rajesh does nothing Stay Puft tried to kill but failed
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 17:03:55 GMT -5
and not to distract the mob from the task at hand but .... i find the opposite to be true to be honest. as scum i am pouring over every word and phrase trying to figure out a way to twist it. as town i am just reading a book and developing impressions as i move along. I actually agree that skimming is not indicative one way or the other. I've certainly had my fair share of stupid questions that had been answered a post or two earlier. I was attempting to razz him. Next time I will include a smiley. Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 27, 2010 17:10:07 GMT -5
I actually agree that skimming is not indicative one way or the other. I've certainly had my fair share of stupid questions that had been answered a post or two earlier. I was attempting to razz him. Next time I will include a smiley. Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum. Huh? Could you elaborate on that?
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Post by Mahaloth on Sept 27, 2010 17:15:58 GMT -5
Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum. Then lynch me and apologize later. No idea why you are fairly convinced. I gladly offer myself up to investigation by anyone who has the power to do so.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 27, 2010 17:30:55 GMT -5
Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum. Then lynch me and apologize later. No idea why you are fairly convinced. I gladly offer myself up to investigation by anyone who has the power to do so. I've been back to do some re-read. Right now I think it must have been a typo. I can't see any other explanation.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 17:33:00 GMT -5
Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum. Then lynch me and apologize later. No idea why you are fairly convinced. I gladly offer myself up to investigation by anyone who has the power to do so. No need. There's a perfectly good candidate already. And besides, I suspect that an investigation would tell us almost nothing about you. Also, why are you claiming to have investigated a claimed cop? If he's scum he's either got to confirm players everyday, get a different scum lynched, or claim to have been roleblocked. Otherwise scum would be gunning for him once they neutralized any one trying to protect him. So your target is bunk. Your "counter" claim is bunk. And besides, if you wanted to know if he was lying or not, why didn't you role investigate him? Why determine if he's a threat or not? If it didn't come back detective, then we could have lynched him for lying, right? I think the answer to these questions lies in the fact that you are not telling the truth, and therefore are scum.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2010 17:34:42 GMT -5
I actually agree that skimming is not indicative one way or the other. I've certainly had my fair share of stupid questions that had been answered a post or two earlier. I was attempting to razz him. Next time I will include a smiley. Don't bother. I'm fairly convinced that Zedd is 100% Scum. SQUEEK? (Add me to the chorus who'd like to know why. Because he sorta counterclaimed BillMcBatman?)
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2010 17:35:24 GMT -5
SQUEEK. (Sigh. Redundant question is inadvertently redundant)
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 17:37:38 GMT -5
Furthermore: Not a threat to town? That's the easiest for scum to fake, you don't have to worry about saying a harmless 3rd party is town on accident. I just don't believe any of it.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 27, 2010 18:10:16 GMT -5
Vote Buddy Christok, i'll go out on a limb. three times blockey talks about "murder in your sleep" in the sign up thread. what if this is a fuck job and there is no murder in your sleep? i mean if it is just a single lynch per Day this game could stretch on FOREVER. Only if marshymallow man and that other guy are both big fat liars. No. All right, it looks like we're making some progress. Somehow, I have a hard time believing that the Mods just forgot to send results back to our investigators before Dawn. The fact that the PMs were late I think means somethings...but I don't know what yet. *looks confused* \/ \/ \/ \/ Furthermore: Not a threat to town? That's the easiest for scum to fake, you don't have to worry about saying a harmless 3rd party is town on accident. I just don't believe any of it. Bad use of power doesn't make scummy, but good point there. (On another note and this is for anyone who cares to reply, I'm still a little confused about last Night. What exactly is a power stealer? I can't find it in the wiki. I understand the PFK thing, just not sure what he was doing to us.). Looky here! Looky here! (Example only. Do not try at home. Offer void in Alaska, New Guinea and Disneyland.) Look, They made me a cake!I love the little tacos. I love them good!
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 18:50:30 GMT -5
Alright. In the interest of semi full disclosure, and after discussing it with my masonic brethren. there are some things which have come to light. One of the masons got pm'd this morning that someone had left conclusive evidence on the ground of who exactly visited Batman last night. Zedd's not on that list but Stay Puft is.
Main reason for bringing this up, just in case there is a run on masons tonight we don't want to lose data.
Raj, would you please dispose of one of them at your earliest convenience?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2010 18:54:04 GMT -5
SQUEEK. (Well, that's a useful piece of information.)
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 27, 2010 18:55:52 GMT -5
i can confirm what the corininthian said. zed did not visit batman and puffy did.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 27, 2010 18:57:44 GMT -5
So you are saying you think Stay Puft tried to kill a claimed cop last night? And that Zedd who claims to have investigated Batman did not? OK, well this is getting interesting. Should we still believe Batman's claim that he investigated Buddy Christ and got scum? I'm more inclined to put my faith in masons than an unconfirmed claim.
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Post by severe delays on Sept 27, 2010 19:00:38 GMT -5
Then lynch me and apologize later. No idea why you are fairly convinced. I gladly offer myself up to investigation by anyone who has the power to do so. No need. There's a perfectly good candidate already. And besides, I suspect that an investigation would tell us almost nothing about you. Also, why are you claiming to have investigated a claimed cop? If he's scum he's either got to confirm players everyday, get a different scum lynched, or claim to have been roleblocked. Otherwise scum would be gunning for him once they neutralized any one trying to protect him. So your target is bunk. Your "counter" claim is bunk. And besides, if you wanted to know if he was lying or not, why didn't you role investigate him? Why determine if he's a threat or not? If it didn't come back detective, then we could have lynched him for lying, right? I think the answer to these questions lies in the fact that you are not telling the truth, and therefore are scum. Let's turn this around a little for the sake of debate and getting some information on the table. Why are you so adamant that Zedd is scum and what makes you say that an investigation would tell us almost nothing about him? What are you basing this on? I do agree that his counterclaim/additional cop claim is suspicious but then so is any counterclaim or claim to being a second person having the same role in the game. That would apply to any game and has to apply to Bill McBatman too. But you are not so focused on him so what's up with Zedd that you are so utterly sure? Is this a third counterclaim/additional claim to an investigative role coming from you?
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 19:01:48 GMT -5
So you are saying you think Stay Puft tried to kill a claimed cop last night? And that Zedd who claims to have investigated Batman did not? OK, well this is getting interesting. Should we still believe Batman's claim that he investigated Buddy Christ and got scum? I'm more inclined to put my faith in masons than an unconfirmed claim. Personally, I feel today is a perfect day to put Batman's claim to the test. We lynch drain, and we'll know if Bat's is telling the truth. (Sorry Jesus, but once again you get shafted, so we can figure out what the fuck is going on.)
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Post by Red Skeezix on Sept 27, 2010 19:06:12 GMT -5
No need. There's a perfectly good candidate already. And besides, I suspect that an investigation would tell us almost nothing about you. Also, why are you claiming to have investigated a claimed cop? If he's scum he's either got to confirm players everyday, get a different scum lynched, or claim to have been roleblocked. Otherwise scum would be gunning for him once they neutralized any one trying to protect him. So your target is bunk. Your "counter" claim is bunk. And besides, if you wanted to know if he was lying or not, why didn't you role investigate him? Why determine if he's a threat or not? If it didn't come back detective, then we could have lynched him for lying, right? I think the answer to these questions lies in the fact that you are not telling the truth, and therefore are scum. Let's turn this around a little for the sake of debate and getting some information on the table. Why are you so adamant that Zedd is scum and what makes you say that an investigation would tell us almost nothing about him? What are you basing this on? This is probably a simulpost to my post #82. So I assume you haven't seen the evidence that I know that Zedd is lying. I think he's a likely GF if scum have one, the unprovoked claim (which was touted as a counterclaim, but in reality wasn't) + his eagerness to be investigated.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Sept 27, 2010 19:06:46 GMT -5
I'm unvoting till we can sort through. I think Lynch All Liars is good strategy and from what I'm reading here, Stay Puft and Zedd have both lied, and other than Batman's investigation (which may or may not be on the up and up) I don't see any other damning evidence in Buddy's posts.
For now,
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