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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 5, 2011 15:05:26 GMT -5
On Captain Pinkies: I've only played one other game with him (Halloween, I think?), so I'm not terribly familiar with his style. Apparently it involves doing very little on Day 1 except posting drink recipes. And when he picks up a vote Today for it, what's his response? Another drink recipe... I really don't like the excuse "oh, that's just the way <player> is, so it's a null tell", but I've come to realize that's just the way it is sometimes, whether I like it or not. So apparently I have to give Pinkies a pass Today. Hey if you are finding me suspious, don't give me a free pass...
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Post by Romola on Feb 5, 2011 15:08:07 GMT -5
Captain, would you say that you posted more substantially when you have votes against you?
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 5, 2011 15:10:10 GMT -5
Mahaloth, your PM doesn't say if you can submit your own name as the voter. Did you seek clarification on that? Just, that would make it even more uber powerful than it seems already. I didn't inquire as I assume I can. I will now, though. I'll be disappointed if they say no, as it isn't prohibited in the original PM.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2011 15:21:50 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">That's an extremely powerful claim. Like, astonishingly powerful. He can do two for one in many circumstances, make a chain of "same alignment" until it breaks, and so on. I can't believe I'm going down the road of doubting Mahaloth-as-investigator again, but I do. I'm not sure what to do, and wish it wasn't the weekend so I could think properly. This was my thought. Insanely powerful. Capable of gathering a huge amount of info in short period of time. If he's Town, Scum will have to go after him immediately. I'm willing to back off for now, just to see how this plays out. Unvote MahalothRomanic, if I may be allowed to speak for Hockey Monkey, her desire to not be a one-off vote is a fairly common sentiment round these parts. The thinking is, if scum vote in blocks, then Town must vote in blocks as well to counter the Scum coordination. I don't necessarily agree with it, because Scum will not always vote in blocks. But I don't see it as scummy in this context.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 5, 2011 15:26:00 GMT -5
On Captain Pinkies: I've only played one other game with him (Halloween, I think?), so I'm not terribly familiar with his style. Apparently it involves doing very little on Day 1 except posting drink recipes. And when he picks up a vote Today for it, what's his response? Another drink recipe... I really don't like the excuse "oh, that's just the way <player> is, so it's a null tell", but I've come to realize that's just the way it is sometimes, whether I like it or not. So apparently I have to give Pinkies a pass Today. Hey if you are finding me suspious, don't give me a free pass... It's not that I find you 'suspicious', it's that I find your play 'unhelpful'. In the same way that I find claiming Vanilla in one's first post of the game to be 'unhelpful'. But certain players have made that behavior a habit, so I think of it as a null-tell. Similarly, you apparently have made it a habit of playing this way early on, so I've decided not to read too much into it.
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Post by Romanic on Feb 5, 2011 15:31:03 GMT -5
I don't feel that I have been lurking... I thought I was actaully participating.. So I am finding this post a bit misrepresentive of my actions. I feel it would be a waste to argue if a lurker tag fits you or if you are a low activity player, but who cares? What matter is that your posts are mostly not provoking reactions to help the Town cause. Posting is one thing, making useful posts is another. What did you contribute so far? - Explained why you don't contribute early in games. - Posts to defend yourself when accused. - Drink recipes! (what the hell?) Not very helpful, i'd say. And you have yet to vote.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 5, 2011 15:41:55 GMT -5
This was my thought. Insanely powerful. Capable of gathering a huge amount of info in short period of time. If he's Town, Scum will have to go after him immediately. I'm willing to back off for now, just to see how this plays out. Which basically leads me to needing protection, now. Which I guess causes WIFOM for scum on whether they go for killing me or not, now. I'm sure some will tell me I should have held my breath and waited to see if I was, for sure, the lynch, but I didn't want to wait so long that people wouldn't have time to unvote me. I had enough votes to be worried, so I did what I thought was smartest.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2011 15:50:42 GMT -5
No, late claims are never helpful. If you are what you're claiming, you timed it right.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2011 15:55:40 GMT -5
EBWOP - I would suggest that any other investigators not target Mahaloth, for a couple reasons. If he lives, it'll only be a couple days before the info he should be providing will make him semi-confirmed, and if he's NK'd, that would waste your investigation.
It's their role to play but that would be my suggestion.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Feb 5, 2011 16:05:02 GMT -5
Maha's claim, is an intriguing one. I'm not sure i buy it, but i'd rather not lynch a power, if he is telling the truth on day 1.
Unvote: Mahaloth
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Post by Red Skeezix on Feb 5, 2011 16:11:59 GMT -5
NETA: The above sentence is garbage.
Also,
Timmy has felt the need to vote for Captain. I can easily see scum making LTL cases this early on as a way to vote for something which they cannot easily be challenged.
Vote: Timmy
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2011 16:14:47 GMT -5
That's an extremely powerful claim. Like, astonishingly powerful. He can do two for one in many circumstances, make a chain of "same alignment" until it breaks, and so on. I can't believe I'm going down the road of doubting Mahaloth-as-investigator again, but I do. I'm not sure what to do, and wish it wasn't the weekend so I could think properly. If he chains he gets +1 investigation over a normal investigator (the initial two then he doubles up). And to get actual results he needs one of the two confirmed by someone else or dead so it effectively only one investigation per Night that tells something new as far as I can tell. Dunno what you are referring to by doubting Mahaloth again, can you explain? He claimed truthfully as untrackable, alignment or power investigator in a previous game and he was seen by the masons watching his target on Night Two. Agreed on better to let him live for now although I think scum (if Mahaloth is town) would be more worried about whether he's protected or not. crazybunny, do you have more specifics on Mahaloth behaviour being scummy similar to a previous game? In the previous game mentioned he also played uber defensively as town investigator as well (and since his claim was pretty hard to swallow that ended up what he did mostly).
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2011 16:17:38 GMT -5
That should read "and he was not seen by the masons watching his claimed target.
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2011 16:38:34 GMT -5
I resent being called a "bandwagon player", which I think is unfair and untrue to my game history. Vote guiriGuiri votes on me despite not liking the case against me. Did it occur to you that I might be playing it careful because I think it is important to survive? It is. Not because I'm scum. Because I am town with a power role. I didn't want to claim on Day One, but I feel I should. Scold me if you must, but I think it's the right move. I still don't get how I pulled so many votes. It really discourages me from every following a "vote early, vote often" policy. Gee, you think people might just be happy it isn't them that is getting killed? This is what I mean with the uber defensive play. More importantly I don't see where Guiri says not liking the case against you? It's not in his vote post as far as I see. His reason of "trying to fly under the radar" since your vote/unvote seems justified since you hardly posted since. Didn't that failed copy/paste PM business in ED2 teach you to just use the quote button? (yes, I checked IE doesn't copy smileys/the buttons but I don't get a solid line. Firefox copies the buttons/smilies as text).
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2011 16:38:47 GMT -5
I'm not so willing to unvote him just yet.
If I'm understanding Mahaloth's alleged role correctly, the only thing that would really stand in the way of a Scum being able to pretend to be it while delivering accurate 'results' would be the existence of 3rd party players in the unknown pool. Right?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2011 16:42:26 GMT -5
NETA, and if a hypothetical Scum were pretending to hold the role and just deliver 'Town' results on anyone in the unknown pool, would a non-Town 3rd party be in much of a hurry to disagree if they'd been investigated as Town?
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Post by BobArrgh on Feb 5, 2011 16:49:28 GMT -5
@KidV: Sorry for the dumb question, but what is "EBWOP"?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2011 16:51:08 GMT -5
Edited By Way Of Post
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Post by Romola on Feb 5, 2011 16:59:39 GMT -5
NETA, and if a hypothetical Scum were pretending to hold the role and just deliver 'Town' results on anyone in the unknown pool, would a non-Town 3rd party be in much of a hurry to disagree if they'd been investigated as Town? Depends on their wincon. I think this would be a risky claim for scum to make, but of course there is no such thing as 'scum wouldn't do that'. I think it might be more useful to let it run on and see what Maha claims as results tomorrow, if he's still alive and if he gets any. He's going to be questioned pretty hard tomorrow if he's still alive, no matter what. Captain, are you still not seeing anything worth commenting on at all today?
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Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2011 17:01:23 GMT -5
NETA, and if a hypothetical Scum were pretending to hold the role and just deliver 'Town' results on anyone in the unknown pool, would a non-Town 3rd party be in much of a hurry to disagree if they'd been investigated as Town? As I understand it he claims to be able investigate player X who voted player Y the previous day and gets told whether X and Y have the same alignment (so not the exact alignment like Town). As scum that would leave a tempting option to link a town and scum as same alignment and hope that the town player gets mislynched if the scum gets revealed. I would suggest to Mahaloth (if he is town) to not investigate someone who voted for the player that was lynched (thus alignment revealed). While that has a more direct result, getting a result on two possible living players makes it more difficult to kill. In the first case they could just kill the investigated player (if town) while in the second killing one of the two investigated reveals the alignment of the other.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2011 17:18:09 GMT -5
NETA, and if a hypothetical Scum were pretending to hold the role and just deliver 'Town' results on anyone in the unknown pool, would a non-Town 3rd party be in much of a hurry to disagree if they'd been investigated as Town? Well, there's a difference between 3rd party and PFK. And in any case, sooner or later somebody he's "investigated" is going to end up dead. If he lives too long, we lynch him to confirm his results. If he's Town, this puts Scum in a bind, because they want us to kill him for them, but the longer they wait for us to do that the more damaging he is to them.
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Post by special on Feb 5, 2011 18:31:06 GMT -5
Vote Countwith approximately 1 days, 9 hours and 29 minutes until DayEndPlayer (# of votes) (peak number of votes) voters [post in which vote was cast, post in which vote was removed] harmless little bunny (5)(5) Renata [141 156], Romanic [164], Suburban Plankton [186], Sister Coyote [260], peekercpa [263], bobarrgh [286] Mahaloth (4)(6) Red Skeezix [153 309], Renata [ 156 241 256], harmless little bunny [168], KidVermicious [271 303], ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies [281], guiri [282] bobarrgh (3)(4) Natlaw [213], guiri [238 282], Renata [241 256], texcat [247], sinjin [273] sinjin (2)(2) Paranoia [174], romola [295] Captain Pinkies (1)(1) timmy[252] guiri (1)(1) Mahaloth [290] timmy (1)(1) Red Skeezix [310] CatInASuit (0)(4) Romola [113 283], sinjin [128 273], harmless little bunny [131 168], Mahaloth [139 160]Hockey Monkey (0)(1) Renata [140,141]Not voting (7) Merestil Haye, CatInASuit, Captain Pinkies, Hockey Monkey, naturallylazy, pedescribe, KidVermicious With these votes, harmless little bunny will be lynched
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Post by guiri on Feb 5, 2011 18:38:21 GMT -5
I resent being called a "bandwagon player", which I think is unfair and untrue to my game history. I didn't call you "bandwagon player". I'm not sure what gave you that impression but it's incorrect. No, it looked like you were hiding, not playing careful. You've claimed a powerful investigative role so: Unvote
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 5, 2011 18:41:21 GMT -5
[quote author=guiri board=lalalala thread=1556 post=74066 time=1296949101[/quote]I didn't call you "bandwagon player". I'm not sure what gave you that impression but it's incorrect. [/B][/quote]
That was directed at bunny.
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Post by Romola on Feb 5, 2011 18:45:51 GMT -5
I admire Maha's play here really; if it had been me, i would have clung on too long before claiming in the hope of turning things round, which would have probably got me lynched. The timing of the claim is perfect.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2011 18:48:38 GMT -5
The only difference being in that a 3rd Party vs a PFK might react differently to someone returning a Town investigation for them. Yes, sooner or later someone is going to end up dead, but unless that person happens to be other than Town, a Scum could potentially run for a long without getting caught by anything, and that's even assuming that they won't lie on behalf of a scum buddy's alignment in an attempt to gain Townie cred.
I'm willing to unvote him for now, but I still have my reservations.
Unvote Mahaloth [/color]
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2011 19:06:27 GMT -5
The only difference being in that a 3rd Party vs a PFK might react differently to someone returning a Town investigation for them. Yes, sooner or later someone is going to end up dead, but unless that person happens to be other than Town, a Scum could potentially run for a long without getting caught by anything, and that's even assuming that they won't lie on behalf of a scum buddy's alignment in an attempt to gain Townie cred. I'm willing to unvote him for now, but I still have my reservations. Unvote Mahaloth [/color] [/quote] Yah, I'm not convinced either. But Town has the luxury of time.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 5, 2011 20:18:30 GMT -5
Mahaloth, your PM doesn't say if you can submit your own name as the voter. Did you seek clarification on that? Just, that would make it even more uber powerful than it seems already. I have now sent and received my answer to this question. This time, I pressed "quote", which I didn't know you could for a PM. I have no idea why they said "then then mods". I assume it's a typo for "Then the". Here:
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Post by Romola on Feb 5, 2011 20:49:52 GMT -5
Conclusive. It will be interesting to see what results you go for and get.
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Post by Paranoia on Feb 5, 2011 23:00:41 GMT -5
Hmm... gonna take Maha off my suspect list for now then.
On a note, since I have a headache, can someone give me an idea of how Pinkies normally plays?
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