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Post by CatInASuit on May 20, 2011 4:27:14 GMT -5
I'm off for the rest of the day. Hope to see people tonight. <oog> Good luck with today.</oog>
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 20, 2011 4:35:03 GMT -5
~~snip~~ The Scum most definitely killed Ed - because I killed Colby. You claim to have killed Colby HOW could you know most definitely who killed Ed ? And what about fluiddruid ? Can Vanilla Town have a one shot power? (and still be called vanilla?) Why would SisC give you the PM when all she had to do was tell you that you were now Alice and you were vanilla? I am not liking this on its face. Have we heard from Moley today? Well you did about six hours ago. (And FTR I'm running out of stuff to quote with my name in it guys - help would be appreciated!) BillMC's claim makes a bizarre sense in one respect - it would explain why he's suddenly started scumhunting on Day 3 when all he seemed to do on the first two days was rolehunt. At least I was right about him not being town then. Grrrrrrr... Ok, there's enough votes on individual people right now to be able to suggest that at least one person being voted is scum. Of the people currently being voted: Guiri has come off to me as possibly misguided town or aggressive scum. I haven't agreed with a lot of what he's said or his main suspects. But he's certainly been making cases. Squink feels townish to me, Ginger and Angel I've discussed already although I'm looking into the latter again, Meeko is the ineffective town target (the same as Ace and Pinkies, although this time the wagon was apparently started by a town/third-party). The other two people I could vote for are Lightfoot and GnarlyCharlie. Both were fairly late Ace votors, which means that one is most likely scum but the other isn't. Gnarly seems to have acted a bit more townishly in the first two days. (Or maybe it's just that damn spreadsheet.) Lightfoot, not so much. I don't have a definite scumtell but (s)he seems more likely than any of the other players right now. So by process of elimination, vote: Lightfoot.I have to work for most of today, starting in half an hour, but I'll be back before the end of the day. (Stupid work, interfering with my mafia time. Grrrrrrr.)
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 20, 2011 4:49:05 GMT -5
The other two people I could vote for are Lightfoot and GnarlyCharlie. Both were fairly late Ace votors, which means that one is most likely scum but the other isn't. Gnarly seems to have acted a bit more townishly in the first two days. (Or maybe it's just that damn spreadsheet.) Lightfoot, not so much. I don't have a definite scumtell but (s)he seems more likely than any of the other players right now. i appreciate that you didn't vote for me however i must correct you about the sequence of the votes for Ace. based on my battered spreadsheet: 1st - Ed2nd - Gnarly3rd - Story4th - Squink5th - Archangel6th - Fluid7th - Lightfoot8th - Meeko
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Post by Meeko on May 20, 2011 6:01:41 GMT -5
Unlike Meeko, I am fine with making statements for any lie detector, if they actually exist, to evaluate. Bill, You are skimming again, I even FOS you for doing this. D1.64
I'm the one who said I would have voted them, not catinasuit. Well at least I don't have to unvote CIAS now. Because that would be awkward. - I am town. And D3.157 So lets see - you don't want the penalty votes, you dont want to even contribute today, you dont want to make the statement for the possible Lie Detector If I wasn't already voting you for being scum, i would be voting you for being anti-town. interesting that folks were quick to vote pinkies for anti-town play And dont you care about the other votes on you? Or are you more worried about MY vote on you? 1.Correct, I don't want the penalty votes. 1.1 REALLY?! I have to defend against that? 2.What do you call this, Veruca? if it's not contributing? There has to be lurkers out there, I am not one of them.
3.I don't want to make a statement for the possible Lie Detector ?! 3.1 I already have. 3.1.1 I am town. 3.2 The PM I received is legit. 3.2.1 In case you want another statement you can use 3.2 4. FOS Bill for smudging and skiming 5. It's very clear how stubborn you are being Veruca, you don't need to wear it on your sleeve. 5.1 I half expect you to tattoo there instead. 6.Why should I be concerned about a Vote from just you? I was of the belief that all votes were the same.
Are you trying to Magic Bag something here? Here is another statement: You smudge worse than the Republican Party on Fox News. You now apparently claim to be Alice, but I think you are more like Tinkerbell. If we all clap enough times, we can believe in BillMc.
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Post by Renata on May 20, 2011 8:39:06 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Meeko (3,3) BillMc [72] Guiri [108] Archangel [116] Lightfoot (2,2) CatInASuit [165] Honest Moley [211] Metallic Squink (1,1) Septimus [112] Archangel (1,1) Metallic Squink [121] Guiri (1,1) Rysto [171] GnarlyCharlie (1,1) JustBeingGinger [173] Rysto (1,1) Lightfoot [183] BillMc (0,2) Honest Moley [81 196] Ma’at [103 193] JustBeingGinger (0,1) CatInASuit [64 165] CatInASuit (0,1) Septimus [47 112] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13]
With these votes, Meeko will be lynched.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 20, 2011 8:40:09 GMT -5
1.Correct, I don't want the penalty votes. 1.1 REALLY?! I have to defend against that? 2.What do you call this, Veruca? if it's not contributing? There has to be lurkers out there, I am not one of them.
3.I don't want to make a statement for the possible Lie Detector ?! 3.1 I already have. 3.1.1 I am town. 3.2 The PM I received is legit. 3.2.1 In case you want another statement you can use 3.2 4. FOS Bill for smudging and skiming 5. It's very clear how stubborn you are being Veruca, you don't need to wear it on your sleeve. 5.1 I half expect you to tattoo there instead. 6.Why should I be concerned about a Vote from just you? I was of the belief that all votes were the same.
Are you trying to Magic Bag something here? @ Meeko You seem very very defensive and making very sarcastic comments about BillMc. On 3.2 above, your statement for the lie detector, it does not state which PM you are referring to, if the LD was to choose that statement, would it not come back inconclusive since you are not stating which PM? You say you are town. You are the lynch leader, are you going to claim? As for BillMc's claim, the only thing I am a tad bit uncomfortable with is the fact that no one can verify. Everything you say seems legit in how you have been playing. Right now I am more suspicious with Meeko's reaction to you than you in itself. In reading the posts from Meeko defending himself in such a way and the fact that he did not specify in the LD statements which PM, to me omission is betrayal and anti town, I am going to: Unvote GnarlyCharlie Vote Meeko
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Post by CatInASuit on May 20, 2011 8:53:09 GMT -5
Ok, going back over lightfoot to see if my initial thoughts from the Day 2 vote analysis were correct or not. Day 1.#5 - fluff #11 - fluff link to mafia wiki #13 - fluff about roles not in wiki list #14 - fluff #31 - question about what a Mad Bomber role is #37 - more mon Mad bomber #38 - fluff #70 - My alignment is Town. #75 - fluff #83 - comment to sub plank about his vote for gnarlycharlie #87 - Day/day confused #89 - response to Sis C #98 - comment on lie detector Awesome Town move or clever plan on CIAS's part? #135 - fluff #151 - comment that there are no Day actions, so Lie Detector cannot eb evaluated at this time. #159 - brief comment on ace #171 - post to show rysto had posted #173 - post recap of ace903, I’m not sure if she understood what she was being asked to claim (at that time) but it has been explained and she has not been here since, followed by vote #184 - response to ace - I am not on a bandwagon my reasons are posted. IF you can address them I may reconsider MY vote #216 - ace you might want to stop by the rules thread again? #222 - Use the reply button, it will take you where you need to be to format and preview your post#223 - NETA @ ace not the "post reply" button the "reply" at the lower right in the last post #242 - comment to ace903 on how games on this board run, will not change vote now but will if ace903 starts playing. If post is not addressed, will not change vote, may not help find scum but may prevent loss of town player on D1 #244 - fluff #246 - fluff #248 = D1 votes are rarely relevant UNLESS you are later proven SCUM (and sometimes not even then) #255 - fluff #256 - fluff #317 - We MIGHT have a MadBomber. I need to look something up Comments: An awful lot said without saying much at all. Vote on ace903 made stating ace903 had not been on to answer details but was going to vote anyway. Stated was not on bandwagon, but was 7th vote on ace and definitely part of the bandwagon. If ace903 could address the points ie. claim side she would unvote, ace claimed later but lightfoot did not unvote and changes requirements for unvoting. Day 2:#7 - fluff comment to colby #56 - response to SubPlank about Mad Bomber, says something moley said sounded contradictory and will hope to investigate today #57 - NETA to above post re quote is JBGs #75 - fluff #78 - response to guiri and question to Fluiddruid re claim. Curious, with only one vote currently on fluiddruid why claim now? If you are truly co-operating with TOWN wouldn't you end up winning the game (not TOWN?) Isn't fluiddruid asking TOWN to let/help her win? #85 - says fluiddruids claim sounds like win-stealing #87 - dislikes FD's claim, says there is no solid wincon, meta games about last game 3rd party won. #161 - comments on fluiddruid penalty vote, captain pinkies compelled vote, points out issues in Day 1 vote counts, votes Pinkies to test theory #162 - comments that subplanks vote counted on Pinkies on D1 #164 - response to dirx that she discarded theory that SubPlanks vote is wrong as it counted on D1, probably should not have. #168 - response to special ed about D1 votes. #170 - agrees with dirx about fluiddruid not asking questions from the Mods #171 - points out problem in D1 votes #175 - admits is wrong about D1 votes, D2 is still a problem #177 - questions to colby about disappearing votes on Pinkies, comment about people not posting on D2. #242 - response to colby about reading rules thread and question about silencer #263 - unvotes Pinkies, is not solid with vote, but agrees a bit with those who are. #277 - brief comment on Moley, comment on Rysto being a lurker, honest moley again, brief comment on pinkies, fluiddruid can be given some time and will have to prove self in Days/Nights ahead, sub plank seems reasonable but knows there is more. Not voting, but rysto in the lead. #287 - response to moleys response to comments in #277 #288 - comment to colby So are you just going to vote yourself? If you get in the game you will be more likely to stay in the game. #361 - Response to moley about reaction and done in third person. Why is moley denying he was frustrated? #362 - comment about colby, has said everything on rysto, voting them will not change things, votes fluiddruid feels vote is best placed there. #363 - missed almost two pages while composing. (took 4 hours ish to compose post) #377 - comment to pinkies about his vote switch #387 - comment to maat about vote tags. Comments: As before, not a lot of hunting for scum. Plenty of poking at fluiddruid early on after the claim, then the "theory" on Day 1 votes, a few brief comments mentioning moley twice, then interaction with moley and colby. Finally settles on voting for fluiddruid. Very scummy is the unvote of Pinkies while still supporting a Pinkies lynch, this one rings bells. Also the vote for FD, when Rysto is mentioned as the scummiest. The interactions with moley are weird, part answering moley, part talking to the rest of the game. Ok, so any good reasons for voting:The change of reasoning for unvoting ace903, also saying they were not on a bandwagon when they obviously were. Very little in the way of searching for scum despite a lot of posts, more a lot of commenting on things as they are going on The switch of reasoning to vote fluiddruid and not rysto. First fluiddruid should get time, followed by voting for her. The support of the pinkies lynch without being on it. Oh yeah, at the time you voted, your vote for fluiddruid would not have got her lynched, in the same way that a vote for rysto at that point woul dnot have got him lynched. So why insist that your would be better placed on Fluiddruid? PS: Your front left is a bit flat
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 20, 2011 9:20:39 GMT -5
ToDay will end in approximately ten and three-quarter hours.
CIAS: Blame the source material, not illicit substances.
Oh. Wait.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on May 20, 2011 9:41:06 GMT -5
I will not be on the board till EOD. I have a pre-proposal conference to attend starting at 12:30 and then it is parents night out at the daycare so it is Ginger's time to DRINK! I will try to be back prior to EOD. I am going to see how well I can read the boards on my blackberry...
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Post by guiri on May 20, 2011 10:30:42 GMT -5
I'm intrigued by Bill's claimed role. I can't help feeling there's something wrong about slaying Alice to "take over for her with no one the wiser" but no-one has counterclaimed the character of Alice and the evidence we have so far supports the claim: Colby's D1#254 "You're nothing but a pack of playing cards" comment was also somewhat out of place given that he was responding to Septimus who'd posted 100 posts earlier. The Alice quote is actually "You're nothing but a pack of cards!" but close enough. No NKs N1. Colby's comment about N2 being scum's first chance to kill could support the N1 block of all kills: Well, since I am going to be night killed on Night 2 (due to the trend that I always die at night the first chance that SCUM get to night kill) I'm going to go through everyone and put down my thoughts about everyone. This was the only part of my post D2#302 that Colby didn't respond to in D2#314. The vanilla PM suggests that all vanillas are numbered playing cards so Colby's reveal as a named character and vanilla town indicates something's not quite right. Bill's early D1 comment stands out too, I'm sure he found it extra funny at the time, if he's an Alice lookalike SK with the potential of becoming Alice herself: The thought of Alice as a serial killer makes me laugh - massacring the vanilla playing cards -- kinda reminds me of JC Serial Killer in the Bastard Mafia game on Giraffe.
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Post by BillMc on May 20, 2011 10:41:21 GMT -5
The vanilla PM suggests that all vanillas are numbered playing cards so Colby's reveal as a named character and vanilla town indicates something's not quite right. Colby had a one shot power. He used it, and was then vanilla. Likewise with my role.
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Post by LightFoot on May 20, 2011 11:15:55 GMT -5
DEAR CatInaSuit What a lovely WoW (and after I said such nice things about you too)
Have you actually read anything I wrote after you first started this line of questioning? I do enjoy you not responding TO me , typing AT me works better for you?
BTW at work I compose my posts in word and check my facts. If I have clients come in or work to do It can take hours before I get the thing posted.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 11:34:14 GMT -5
I'm having a really crappy week from a "having time to play Mafia" perspective. I've only skimmed the thread for the past 2 or 3 days, and don't have much to say for that reason. But I won't let that stop me from saying something anyway...
I'm inclined to believe Bill's claim, but I do have one question. Bill, you seem absolutely sure that colby had a one-time ability to block all kills. I'm not seeing any concrete evidence of that. Have I just missed something, or are you making an educated guess?
Ma'at, you are absolutely correct that I was "actively playing dumb" in the early part of Day 2. I didn't realize I had violated my posting restriction until I went back to look at my PM after fluiddruid's claim.
When I saw that I had erred, I PM'ed Sister Coyote to let her know that my vote shouldn't have counted. I figured that it was likely that I would need to claim at some point in the game, and I didn't want to wind up getting lynched because of a voting inconsistency due to Mod-oversight.
Even though I figured I would most likely need to claim eventually, I was not eager to do so. I am not generally given to early claims, and prefer to keep my cards hidden for as long as possible. So I 'played dumb' while I waited to see how the Town would react. But it soon became clear to me that the town was going to spend the remainder of the day in pursuit of uncovering the cause of the voting shenanigans; since I knew that the end result of that search was not going to help uncover Scum, that would be a wasted effort, so I made my claim in order to allow the Town to focus on more important issues.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 11:36:45 GMT -5
Right now, I admit I have no strong suspicions regarding who's Scum, mainly because I haven't had time to digest the past several pages of posts. I will make an effort to do so and have a good vote down before the Day ends.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 11:39:09 GMT -5
And I just saw where Bill posted what he claims to be colby's original role PM describing the one-shot ability, so my question there has been answered.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 12:23:09 GMT -5
You claim to have killed Colby HOW could you know most definitely who killed Ed ? And what about fluiddruid ? There's no way that the scum targeted a claimed third party Night Two. That's a wasted kill. That's a perfect target for a Town Vig, though. I agree that fluiddruid was a perfect target for a Vig, but I don't know that I'd go so far as to say there is "no way" that the Scum would have killed her. If they believed that she might be a win-stealer, as was suggested, they might have decided they couldn't take the chance on her claiming a win last Night. As I said, I am inclined to believe Bill's claim, but I'm not as certain as you and he are that Ed was the Scum target and fluiddruid was a Vig/SK target. I don't think there's enough evidence yet to be sure of that.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 20, 2011 14:11:02 GMT -5
ToDay will end in approximately five hours and fifty minutes
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 20, 2011 14:18:02 GMT -5
As I said, I am inclined to believe Bill's claim, but I'm not as certain as you and he are that Ed was the Scum target and fluiddruid was a Vig/SK target. I don't think there's enough evidence yet to be sure of that. You think the Scum decided to kill fluiddruid, then?
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 20, 2011 14:28:51 GMT -5
I don't see the point in answering this one. This seems to nail me down to something of a very limited value. I already can't unvote a dead player, having to backpedal off a non-vote vote would be an order of magnitude worse than this. Then again, perhaps I am more free with my non-vote vote than others, but that is not how I would like to play. Respectfully I find this question too restraining, for lack of better words, to answer. The task of a Town player is to hunt anti-Town forces. This is done by voting, discussing, making cases and sharing suspicions. You say you won't do that. Frankly, I like this less now than on first reading. Definitely a black mark against you. It makes me consider a vote. I also found it very difficult to parse which were your words and which were the words of people you were quoting. What is wrong with simple [qu ote][/quote] tags, preceded by a link to the post in question? My brain thanks you in advance.
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Post by Renata on May 20, 2011 14:58:01 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Meeko (4,4) BillMc [72] Guiri [108] Archangel [116] JustBeingGinger [215] Lightfoot (2,2) CatInASuit [165] Honest Moley [211] Metallic Squink (1,1) Septimus [112] Archangel (1,1) Metallic Squink [121] Guiri (1,1) Rysto [171] Rysto (1,1) Lightfoot [183] BillMc (0,2) Honest Moley [81 196] Ma’at [103 193] GnarlyCharlie (0,1) JustBeingGinger [173 215] JustBeingGinger (0,1) CatInASuit [64 165] CatInASuit (0,1) Septimus [47 112] colby11 (1,1): Meeko [13]
With these votes, Meeko will be lynched.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 15:00:08 GMT -5
As I said, I am inclined to believe Bill's claim, but I'm not as certain as you and he are that Ed was the Scum target and fluiddruid was a Vig/SK target. I don't think there's enough evidence yet to be sure of that. You think the Scum decided to kill fluiddruid, then? You're as bad as Bill...just because I say I'm not necessarily willing to accept something as given, that does not mean that I'm arguing the opposite. I think that the most likely scenario at this time is that colby was killed by Bill, Ed was killed by Scum, and fluiddruid was killed by someone else. But I'm not certain that the Scum didn't kill fluiddruid thinking that she might be a win-stealing PFK, and I think it's premature at this point to dismiss that possibility out of hand.
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Post by Merestil Haye on May 20, 2011 15:00:39 GMT -5
But this brings up another point worth investigating. Given the two options of fluiddruid or Pinkies, which one would the scum prefer to see lynched. Pinkies - the walking anti-town distraction who is likely to get himself lynched later on Fluiddruid - claimed 3rd party and looking to assist the town with a power Both are anti-town, but neither of them are pro-scum. Looking at it, I think the scum would have much preferred to see Fluiddruid swing than Pinkies. PFKs are anti-Town. A lynch of a PFK is something a Mafiate can participate in with a clear conscience (ie you're not either bussing a teammate or lynching someone you know is innocent) and look pro-Town. Win-win. The trouble is that, depending on the circumstances, it may also be correct play for a Townie to lynch a PFK over a distracting Townie. So we can't conclude that all the late Fluid voters are Mafia aligned. (I know I'm not.) Honest Moley, I see you were a late Fluid voter. Thus I summon you. (Well, you did ask.) Feel free to expound on whatever takes your fancy.
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Post by Ma'at on May 20, 2011 15:01:15 GMT -5
Vote: Archangel
This Day is tough. I just really don’t have a strong feeling about anyone (although, my strong feelings are often wrong, so who knows, maybe that’s a good thing). My argument for voting Archangel is that she placed a vote on Meeko without giving any reason, other than she didn’t like the “bandwagon” (a bandwagon of 2) building on Bill. Meeko pointed this out to her, and she still has not been back to give any reasoning. And this was after stating early toDay that she is suspicious of Dirx for some D2 stuff. So, she had some suspicions about Dirx, then votes Meeko because she’s worried about Bill. Doesn’t really add up to me, and she hasn’t been back since (and Bill appears to be under no threat of getting lynched now, so she could conceivably place her vote now for the person she finds most scummy)
Meeko would be my next strongest candidate, but for some reason his play style today reminds me a little of yesterday, so I’m hesitant to add a vote there.Pinkies
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 20, 2011 15:09:12 GMT -5
it's 4am here and i have to catch some Zs. so in case i don't wake up before EOD,
Vote Meeko
while the comments about the forced vote PM and aggressive defense can be seen by some as scummy, i'm more struck by the lack of discussion about who he considers most suspicious. this has been mentioned by Mhaye and IIRC Ginger as well. although, he may well be forced to vote for a dead player, i don't see how that stops him from contributing to scumhunting.
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Post by Ma'at on May 20, 2011 15:13:03 GMT -5
Just noticed my post 232 doesn't quite make sense (the last sentence). Not sure what happened but was trying to say that Meeko's play style toDay reminds me of Pinkies on D2
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 15:16:16 GMT -5
Vote: Archangel I'm not as thrilled with this vote as I'd like to be, but I want to get my vote in before I get busy at work again and don't have an opportunity to vote at all. I'm basing this vote mainly on this post: Maybe it’s just me, but this board seems to be moving very slowly (meaning, scum are not being found – not even strong possible scum candidates). So, even though it’s earlier than I’d like, and I don’t have a super strong argument, I’m going to vote: Vote: Bill MC (bleached) [/color] Reasons (And I apologize in advance for those who don’t like “meta-gaming”): I’ve only played 2 games with Bill MC, but his scum hunting skills seem to be “legendary”. So much so, that he often gets voted off early in games because scum do not want him around hunting them. So, it started pinging me slightly when he was going after fluiddruid on D2 after her claim. If he’s so good at finding scum, why was he going after a 3rd party (who sounded like she was going to cooperate with town) instead of scum hunting? It’s day 3 and he’s still here (meaning, scum have not killed him yet). Must suck to be so good that you either get voted off right away by scum, or start looking suspicious when you don’t get voted off. Your comment that the Politician role is usually scum – two players (CIAS and Metallicsquink) questioned this and stated they had played in games where the politician is town. And opinions seem to differ on whether our Politician is scum or town, but I’m leaning toward town (since the votes have been going against players who have garnered some suspicion). Maybe the majority of the games you’ve played it’s been a scum role, but you’re a good enough player not to make assumptions like that. Your comment in post 72: It seems more likely that the Scum would have taken Ed out than Colby. For the scum to have chosen Colby over Ed that Scum would have had had to believe the Colby represented more of threat than Ed -- and since Colby flipped Vanilla, that was not the case This doesn’t really make sense to me. Scum don’t know if either Ed or Colby are a power or vanilla until they’re dead and it’s announced by the mod. You’re saying that since Colby flipped vanilla, it’s more likely scum voted Ed, as if scum knew ahead of time that Ed was a power role. Saying that because Colby flipped vanilla, it’s more likely Scum killed Colby seems like backward logic to me. Lastly, I think your vote on Meeko is weak. I’m not sure what I think about meeko, but voting for someone for low-participation, when they’ve stated it’s because they are busy with work, seems like a cop out. And the Colby comment on the end of his PM doesn’t seem *that* suspicious to me. [/quote] I'm little bit lost right now, need to read to catch up, IRL busy this week, but I don't like a bandwagon building on Bill. There was no NK the first night. It seems likely to me that scum tried to kill Bill, and someone, knowing his reputation, protected him. So until I can catch up, Vote MeekoBut I will be back this afternoon to read everything and make a more informed decision then. [/quote] Here she quotes Bill's post in which he votes for Meeko, mentions that she thinks Bill was protected on Night 1, and then votes for Meeko. It seems like she would like us to draw the following from this post: "Scum tried to kill Bill on Night 1, so he must be Town. Bill is voting for Meeko, so Meeko is probably Scum. I agree with Bill's case so I'm voting for Meeko too". The problems I have with this are: There's no evidence that anyone tried to kill Bill on Night 1. I think Bill's vote on Meeko is very weak. Archangel didn't actually give any reason for voting for Meeko, leaving us to make our own inferences. Also, Archangel promised to "be back this afternoon to read everything and make a more informed decision then". That was Wednesday morning, and we haven't heard from her since.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 15:24:26 GMT -5
Let me clarify what I meant by "I'm not as thrilled with this vote as I'd like to be" in my last post.
When I started rereading this morning, Archangel wasn't on my short list of Scum candidates. But as I read through, every person I thought seemed suspicious (Meeko, septimus, and guiri, to name a few) turned out to look 'not so bad' after I looked closer, whereas Archangel popped out at me unexpectedly. Without the time necessary to do a real in-depth investigation, I'm not as certain of my suspicions as I'd like to be. This vote is based more 'gut feeling' and less on 'hard evidence' than I like given that it's Day 3.
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Post by septimus on May 20, 2011 15:32:30 GMT -5
As I said before, I can see the cases against both Meeko and Metallic Squink. I'd rather Lynch Squink, but she is not in contention. I am going to bed now and will be asleep at Dusk, so I'd better move my vote to make it more likely that Scum is Lynched.
Unvote: Metallic Squink
Vote: Meeko
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Post by Dirx on May 20, 2011 16:40:45 GMT -5
So, I've been rethinking the Meeko votes... I'm the only one who voted for him on both Day 1 and 2. Now there's a bandwagon on him. Part of me is wondering if Scum saw the suspicion on Meeko and thought he'd make an easy lynch Today. I don't disagree with the lynch--certainly not to the extent I did regarding Ace and Pinkies--but I am a little hesitant. Reading the arguments back and forth about it hasn't really helped either; I can't pick out anything in them that sounds scummy to me.
And another thought running through my head: If scum is involved in getting the Meeko bandwagon up and running, then why didn't they pick a player who's had even more suspicion thrown their way on both Days? Archangel's been poked at and scrutinized, but there's been no serious attempt to lynch yer yet. Is scum that bad at building a bandwagon, or do they have a better reason to go after someone else?
Because of the assumptions and hypotheticals involved with that scenario, it's not worth a vote now. But it's something to consider in the future, depending on what shakes out.
I guess, for now, I'll stick with my suspicions from the past 2 Days and
Vote: Meeko
But I really don't like the fact that, after 3 Days, that's the strongest suspicion I have. Maybe now that the other game is just about done, I can start paying more attention here, and pick up on stuff I've been overlooking.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 20, 2011 16:44:05 GMT -5
As I said before, I can see the cases against both Meeko and Metallic Squink. I'd rather Lynch Squink, but she is not in contention. I am going to bed now and will be asleep at Dusk, so I'd better move my vote to make it more likely that Scum is Lynched. Unvote: Metallic SquinkVote: MeekoWhere exactly did you say you were suspicious of Meeko before this post? You mentioned him here: ... [if] scum did not kill colby ... then a scum meeko would not have known colby was going to be alive or dead so he really could not have known to add in anything about still being forced to vote for a dead player regardless of who that player was. Does that make sense? Meeko knew colby was dead when he edited his PM if it was a fake PM. It seems to me that clever scum could be trying to build cred for each other. Meeko, the politician, and whoever killed colby could all be scum, with colby chosen for target just to give cred to the remainder of this trio when one of them flips. but this seems more like wild supposition of a mass-conspiracy than any real suspicion. You mentioned him again here: I'm surprised by the suspicion cast on the new sentence in the bought-vote PM. I've never been a Moderator, but if I were the Mod in this situation I'd sure add the clarification about voting for the dead player just to avoid the otherwise almost-certain round of clarifying PM's. And I think a lying Meeko would worry that the vote-for-the-dead mechanic is too strange (and might even provoke Mod refutation), so I'm inclined to believe that, whether Scum or not, he did get the PM. If you're going to lie about a voting restriction, as scum, why choose the guy who's died as your "vote"? Why not just choose a living player instead? I worry that Scum are playing very cleverly this game. If the Politician is Scum he's concerned about concealing his nature, rather than taking full advantage of the extra vote this early in the game. where, if anything, you seem to support him. And finally, you mention him here Unvote: CatInaSuitI have a confession to make. (No, not that kind of confession! ) I confess that I am very unskilled at building cases of scumminess. Rysto is right; my votes in this game have been for anti-Town behavior. Not because I overlooked his argument, but because I'd just not sensed any clear pro-Scum behavior. I feel somewhat more confident about evaluating cases others make against possible Scum. The cases built against Archangel, Ace, Moley seemed poor to me; those raising suspicion raised my suspicions of them as smudgers. But just as likely is that they, like I, have trouble identifying real Scum. But now accusations have been made against Meeko and metallic squink. I've looked over their posts and these accusations have a strong ring of truth to me. Meeko has posted relatively little (indeed one of the arguments against him seems to be that he's quieter than usual) so I focused on squink's posts. His recent discussion of the "alive or not" sentence in Meeko's alleged PM seems contrived to mislead, rather than explore, especially his "I see..." correction. And several other posts seem contrived: I was thinking it was just me that didn't understand where Bill was going with his vote. Moley, what do you mean by "he would have chosen a different player instead"? I'm going to hold off on voting BillMc for now because I do want to see what he has to say about this. Given a wide acceptance by now that the Lynch of ace was misguided, this post seems quite suspicious: The way I see it, there is no reason to excuse her hesitation which is why I am confused that you [suburban plankton] would do it. You are even saying yourself that you do not agree with her play in this case and yet are willing to wait and see what she does. To me the issue here is not whether or not she comes in and says "I am town", it's the hesitation in the first place (which you are defending). And given the phrasing of your initial post defending this play, it seemed to me that you are not accounting for the fact that she may not want to post "I am town" because it could be a lie. And just to be clear, I see a distinct difference between revealing your role and revealing your alignment. Obviously no one is asking ace to reveal her role. Making a statement about your alignment is not harmful to town in this case. Making a false statement about your alignment is harmful, but only to yourself and perhaps that is what she is contemplating. I think I've convinced myself that ace's play is scummier than yours, although I still think your defense of her is suspicious. unvote Suburban Plankton vote ace093 Rereading these, I'll bet others think "I don't see the scumminess." I may not be able to explain it either; I just read the posts imagining the writer is Town and imagining the writer is Scum and seem what "seems to fit." And on my reading, Scum seems to fit. Vote: metallic squink This time you do mention that certain "accusations have a strong ring of truth", but you don't explain that statement with regards to Meeko, only as it regards Metallic Squink, who you vote for. And now , after nearly 2 days of silence, you drop in late in the Day to move your one-off vote off of Squink and onto Meeko to most likely seal his fate? Unvote: Archangel Vote: septimus
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