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Post by LightFoot on May 27, 2011 15:20:10 GMT -5
Hey. you. with the sharp sticks. cut it out. Between you and the customers You're making it harder for me to format an unvote I'm not going to be marching in your parade but I will.....
Unvote: BillMc
All I've done is question your claimed role and ask about what I saw as inconsistant. If that is not scum hunting I had some poor teachers. Your venom towards me is not attractive at all.
Even though YOU think I'm scum there is no reason for you to be rude.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 27, 2011 15:21:02 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot something. If you asked whether my Role PM was posted in its ENTIRETY, you'd get a "False" report, because Sis C included some personal comments at the start that are irrelevant from a gameplay perspective but form part of the same PM. So let me rephrase for the Lie Detector to remove all ambiguity: Moley, It looks to me like the PM you posted here in Post 294 is exactly the same as the one you posted in Post 33. Am I missing something?
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 15:29:09 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Metallic Squink (7,7): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292] Archangel (4,1): Metallic Squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] CatInaSuit (1,1): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292] Ma’at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180] BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]
With these votes, Metallic Squink will be lynched.
ToDay will end in approximately four and one-half hours[/color]
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 27, 2011 15:30:27 GMT -5
JustBeingGinger voted for Metallic Squink in Post 292
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 15:33:26 GMT -5
Of course she did. I don't know why you felt the need to mention it.
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Post by Rysto on May 27, 2011 15:38:18 GMT -5
You forgot to update the count on squink to 7
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 27, 2011 15:48:06 GMT -5
Sorry, forgot something. If you asked whether my Role PM was posted in its ENTIRETY, you'd get a "False" report, because Sis C included some personal comments at the start that are irrelevant from a gameplay perspective but form part of the same PM. So let me rephrase for the Lie Detector to remove all ambiguity: Moley, It looks to me like the PM you posted here in Post 294 is exactly the same as the one you posted in Post 33. Am I missing something? Nope, but I referred to it as my "Role PM" in my first post. And while it contains all of the information about my role, it's not the full PM (there's personal fluff at the beginning of that PM from Sis C, nothing to do with the game, which might confuse a lie-detector.) I wanted to post something that was absolutely and totally unequivocal.
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Post by Ma'at on May 27, 2011 16:05:43 GMT -5
@billMy very limited understanding is that a Godfather investigates as town, which means "I am town" might come back as true, but seems like "I am not the Godfather" should come back as a lie if he really is. Maybe not, I don't know...others have any thoughts? So you are suggesting that I bussed Meeko and now want to bus Squink and Lightfoot too? One of my theories before all this new information came to light was: Moley is telling the truth, which means (likely) that Meeko did not send in a night action on whichever night it was Moley listened in. Shame on Meeko, bad scum. Meeko also made it clear the new job was exhausting and making it hard for him to participate. So, what if scum decided that they could afford to sacrifice a scum in order to both gain town cred and confuse town? So, Bill (scummy Bill in this particular theory), votes Meeko and tells everyone that if he's wrong, they can kill him. Of course you know you’re right, so you gain town cred. If you are also the godfather, you know that any “I am town” statement may very well come back as true. Archangel comes in (scummy archangel in this same theory and in some of my others), sees you’re tied with Meeko and thinks, “eek, our plan is in danger”, so she votes Meeko, quickly, with no explanation (because she doesn’t have time, or doesn’t have a reason, or…I don’t know….I can only think one or two steps into the future). I don’t think this theory sounds that implausible, so I wanted a statement from you saying you’re not the Godfather. There is also the inconsistency SubP pointed out, that you said you’re vanilla, now claiming Scotsman. I don’t have a huge problem with this (saying you’re vanilla to hide a beneficial town power is semi-ok in my book, but does put a person on my radar, which you already were). Do I think you’re the godfather? I don’t know. Now that you point out Squink, I’m thinking, well, scum might be ok with sacrificing 1 scum, but 2? That’s less likely. Based on that, maybe I’m leaning closer toward town. But anyway, that was my train of thought on what your alignment might be.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 27, 2011 16:18:11 GMT -5
Do I think you’re the godfather? I don’t know. Now that you point out Squink, I’m thinking, well, scum might be ok with sacrificing 1 scum, but 2? That’s less likely. Based on that, maybe I’m leaning closer toward town. But anyway, that was my train of thought on what your alignment might be. I have a hard time seeing Scummy Bill sacrificing two of his Scum-buddies in the same game...I mean, he's good, but I don't know that he's that good But we don't currently know that Squink is Scum; all that MHaye has told us is that he's not Town. If he flips 3rd Party, then that changes the equation. We'll know more in about 4 hours.
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Post by Ma'at on May 27, 2011 16:25:15 GMT -5
ah, good point about Squink being 3rd party - guess we will see soon enough...
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Post by metallicsquink on May 27, 2011 16:49:10 GMT -5
I'm a she!
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 27, 2011 17:19:27 GMT -5
Oops. Mea culpa.
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Post by LightFoot on May 27, 2011 17:26:36 GMT -5
Since not voting is unexceptable behavior and leaves no record I must place a vote.
I am not going to vote MS as it will not leave a telling record .
The lynching of MSquink is a foregone conclusion .
With 13 available votes even if every player not voting MS changed their vote to one person a tie would be the only outcome and MS has the tie breaker.
I don’t see anyone unvoting MS (very bad form)
I believe the LieDetector , MS is NOT Town so off with her head.
I’ve removed my vote from Bill for now so by association I’ll leave Archangel be this Day.
Also by association ( with a side order of omgus) CIAS looks the most suspect to me. (excluding MS see above)
If I look at Bill as town then Archangel looks Town so CIAS looks anti-town for being so adamant about Archangel's Scumminess.
Not very poetic but I’m running out of time.
The next Day should shed more light
Vote: CatInaSuit
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 27, 2011 17:36:10 GMT -5
Huh. Well, that turned out easy.
Vote: metallic squink
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 27, 2011 17:39:52 GMT -5
Ooh, actually, I want to test something and this is as good a time as any:
Unvote: metallic squink Vote: Captain Pinkies
I am curious whether this vote will show in the official vote count.
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 17:42:02 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Metallic Squink (8,8): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292], storyteller0910 [313] Archangel (4,1): Metallic Squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] CatInaSuit (2,2): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246], LightFoot [312] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292] Ma’at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180] BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]
With these votes, Metallic Squink will be lynched.
ToDay will end in a little over two hours[/color]
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 17:43:44 GMT -5
Damn you, Story!
Current vote count:
Metallic Squink (7,8): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292], storyteller0910 [313,314] Archangel (4,2): Metallic Squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] CatInaSuit (2,2): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246], LightFoot [312] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292] Ma’at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180] BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]
With these votes, Metallic Squink will be lynched.
ToDay will end in a little over two hours[/color]
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 27, 2011 17:44:46 GMT -5
That is definitely an official vote count, including my most recent vote?
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 17:50:17 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 27, 2011 17:50:43 GMT -5
Right. So this pretty strongly implies that Meeko was not lying about having had his vote bought for colby. The failure of my vote for Pinkies would imply that under normal circumstances, we can't vote for the dead, but Meeko was able to do so and it counted, which implies to me that some kind of power was at work.
I guess it's theoretically possible that the vote-buyer targeted a team-mate as part of a very strange and overcomplicated plan that would require a fairly specific set of circumstances to pay off. But it seems more likely to me that the vote-buyer is Town, which further strengthens my view that whoever cancelled gnarlycharly's vote toDay is probably Scum... which would generally suggest that gnarlycharly himself is Town.
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I find that I suck at Scum-hunting, but maybe don't suck at Town hunting. And if I can find enough Town, then process of elimination will do the rest, yes?
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Unvote: Captain Pinkies Vote: metallic squink
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Post by Suburban Plankton on May 27, 2011 18:13:05 GMT -5
storyteller, why do you think the Scum would have canceled gnarlycharlie's vote in particular, instead of someone else's?
For that matter, why would a Town or 3rd Party player have canceled his vote? I can't figure out what clues he might have given off to make him such a target.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 27, 2011 19:28:02 GMT -5
storyteller, why do you think the Scum would have canceled gnarlycharlie's vote in particular, instead of someone else's? For that matter, why would a Town or 3rd Party player have canceled his vote? I can't figure out what clues he might have given off to make him such a target. I don't really know why a Scum vote-canceller would choose to cancel charly's vote. But I REALLY can't think of a pro-Town reason to do it. It created confusion at a time when confusion was unnecessary, forced us to spend time figuring out what was happening, and - if charly DID happen to be Scum - gave him an out to avoid meaningful participation and thus make his vote record more difficult to assess. Forcing a player to vote a certain way is similarly anti-Town, mind, but I get the impression that the vote-forcing might be mandatory, given that it appears to have been used every Night so far. On the other hand, unless the vote canceller is extremely unfortunate, that ability appears to be discretionary and the choice the owner of the power made to use it the way (s)he did makes me think that it's much more likely a Scum action than a Town action. Although I do wonder why anyone, Town or Scum, would use such a power - or even reveal its existence - so early in the game. It would be a terribly potent weapon at endgame for either side (especially for the Scum side, as it essentially grants them a free mislynch and victory in a situation where there is one more Townie than Scum as a Day begins).
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Post by Sister Coyote on May 27, 2011 19:37:14 GMT -5
Current vote count:
Metallic Squink (8,8): BillMc [8], HonestMoley [98], septimus [151], Merestil Haye [251], Rysto [257], Ma'at [272], JustBeingGinger [292], storyteller0910 [313,314,319] Archangel (4,2): Metallic Squink [102], CatInaSuit [226] CatInaSuit (2,2): Suburban Plankton [183], gnarlycharlie [246], LightFoot [312] Lightfoot (1,1): guiri [198] Septimus (1,2): CatInASuit [17,226], Archangel [21] Gnarlycharlie (0,1): JustBeingGinger [18,292] Ma’at (0,1): Rysto [35, 257] Honest Moley (0,1): gnarlycharlie [123,177,180,246], Suburban Plankton [175,183] Suburban Plankton (0,0): gnarlycharlie [177,180] BillMc (0,1): Lightfoot [205,300]
With these votes, Metallic Squink will be lynched.
ToDay will end in about twenty minutes[/color]
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 27, 2011 19:41:36 GMT -5
@bill So you are suggesting that I bussed Meeko and now want to bus Squink and Lightfoot too? One of my theories before all this new information came to light was: Moley is telling the truth, which means (likely) that Meeko did not send in a night action on whichever night it was Moley listened in. Shame on Meeko, bad scum. Meeko also made it clear the new job was exhausting and making it hard for him to participate. So, what if scum decided that they could afford to sacrifice a scum in order to both gain town cred and confuse town? So, Bill (scummy Bill in this particular theory), votes Meeko and tells everyone that if he's wrong, they can kill him. Of course you know you’re right, so you gain town cred. If you are also the godfather, you know that any “I am town” statement may very well come back as true. Archangel comes in (scummy archangel in this same theory and in some of my others), sees you’re tied with Meeko and thinks, “eek, our plan is in danger”, so she votes Meeko, quickly, with no explanation (because she doesn’t have time, or doesn’t have a reason, or…I don’t know….I can only think one or two steps into the future). I don’t think this theory sounds that implausible, so I wanted a statement from you saying you’re not the Godfather. There is also the inconsistency SubP pointed out, that you said you’re vanilla, now claiming Scotsman. I don’t have a huge problem with this (saying you’re vanilla to hide a beneficial town power is semi-ok in my book, but does put a person on my radar, which you already were). Do I think you’re the godfather? I don’t know. Now that you point out Squink, I’m thinking, well, scum might be ok with sacrificing 1 scum, but 2? That’s less likely. Based on that, maybe I’m leaning closer toward town. But anyway, that was my train of thought on what your alignment might be. I don't see BillMC as the Godfather either. At this point I'm inclined to almost rule out Guiri, Archangel, Septimus, BillMC, and MHaye. This hurts, because I love me some Ginger. But I gotta lay a HUGE FoS on her. I'm not at all sure she's insane town any more, nor am I sure that her questioning of me at the end of Day One was as insane/benign as it appeared to be. Reasons: - I still think a scummy person voted Meeko in those last four votes. If the scum had decided to bus Meeko, Ginger is the natural person. There were two periods in which Meeko was being voted, and a long period of time in between in which various other people were voted but no real bandwagons were started. Ginger, being under some suspicion, might've been designated by the scum as the safest person to throw a fatal fourth vote. - Septimus, to my mind, is still town. Gnarly's made up a lot of ground today, although I'm not convinced; still, I've flipped these two in terms of which is the most likely scum, and I don't think it's likely (although it's possible) that both are. - Ginger has always, up until today, accepted pretty much everything Squink said without question. Whenever she mentions Squink, which has happened fairly rarely, it's in unquestioning agreement of whatever Squink has said. Other possible scum: Ma'at, Rysto, CIAS, Plankton, Storyteller? Don't ask me to put them in order, it's late and I'm tired. I'll work on it tomorrow, assuming I survive the night.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 27, 2011 19:56:42 GMT -5
Moley is telling the truth, which means (likely) that Meeko did not send in a night action on whichever night it was Moley listened in. Shame on Meeko, bad scum. Meeko also made it clear the new job was exhausting and making it hard for him to participate. So, what if scum decided that they could afford to sacrifice a scum in order to both gain town cred and confuse town? Oh sorry, just realised... I'm assuming here that Squink is scum, not third-party. Of course, I pegged her as scum much earlier on because of her interactions with Meeko yesterday, which pre-supposes that she already knows that Meeko himself was scum when she had them. Let's just put it this way... if Squink actually turns out to be a third-party, two things will likely happen: I will end up throwing my monitor across the room (again), and you can decide to safely disregard at least the last part of my Ginger FoS. Oh, and if anybody wants to test my role, Archangel and BillMC (the two admitted vanilla town, albeit one is vanilla-cum-serial-killer-cum-scotsman apparently) would be the obvious choices to post something random to the Mod and see if I can pick it up. Don't know how Archangel is feeling about me at the moment, but indulge me here please.
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Post by septimus on Nov 10, 2011 17:42:51 GMT -5
Just browsing around ... wonder if this thread is locked.
Boy, on reread that spetimus is an impudent asshole, no?
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