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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 4:32:01 GMT -5
Ok, final thoughts. Given the vanilla template and the fact the suburban plankton and storyteller have claimed roles that are one-shot then turn vanilla, colby has to have had a power up front which was used. BillMc: it is possible to construct a scenario where he is the godfather, and the colby kill came from a scum double kill using Lightfoot, but given it is beginning to stretch the realms of credibility. Occam's razor says he was a 3rd party and is now vanilla, certainly given MHaye's result. I would consider MHaye and gnarlycharlie pretty much confirmed and Suburban Plankton definitely so. Moley's role is just too horrible for a scum person to have, and I would consider storyteller town, as and when he Daykills. Why? The scum have already got a strongman, which is usually either cuts through night protection or is a double kill. Giving the scum two similar roles would be frankly unfair. guiri: well its the most inoffensive game I have ever seen him play. I am leaning towards believing his claim. oh and on the subject of claims, I don't think the scum have been given any. Why? because Meeko didn't claim anything on Day 3. If they had some claims, surely he would have used one of them? Which leaves the vanilla... I'll let other decide, but I think the best bet to win this game is to rattle through the vanilla. Storytellers method for using his power is probably the phrase "Off with X's head" I would seriously consider daykilling one of the vanilla now and lynching one of the others to reduce the pool to the point where it can't be less than the claimed roles, which from above, I would guess are all town. Comments and suggestions welcome, other than perhaps Off with CIAS' head
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 5:19:01 GMT -5
Make that:
where it can't be more than the claimed roles
Not:
where it can't be less than the claimed roles
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 7:14:01 GMT -5
@gnarley – how were you sure enough about Lightfoot’s alignment that you felt comfortable taking her out last night? Just asking because damn I must suck at this game if Bill was sure she was scum (from his posts), and you were sure enough she was scum (since you took her out) and I really was not thinking she looked all that scummy (and I’ve played two other games with her). Not questioning you necessarily, just trying to learn…(I will let others question you if they find your post suspicious). And I will respond to Moley in a bit (work gets in the way and all that) @ Gnarley: if you're telling the truth, nice going. ;D I have a qualm though... I can accept you killed Lightfoot, but I'm not convinced your role is town-aligned. Not that I'm going to lynch you on the basis of that. @ Ma'at: There are now three days worth of evidence that tell me you're scum. You fit with all the known scum perfectly, better than anybody else. I wouldn't waste your time trying to convince me otherwise, because trust me, you won't. Squink tried it. Waste of time and energy. If enough people think I'm wrong, you'll survive anyway, because I won't get the votes. @ BillMC: If MHaye is scum, then he faked his PM (part of which incidentally matches what I was sent last night to the letter). That's a possibility. I don't think he's lying about his role, given that he pegged Guiri as a third-party; and unless this is a VERY complicated plot between the two of them, I think we can accept that as correct. I had Guiri down as not-scum for ages now, and despite my surprise at his admission of not being town, I haven't seen anything that convinces me to change my mind there. My comments? Your role looks plausible and makes sense. I did get a strong sense that you weren't trying to help the town on Day One and Day Two, which this explains. (The irony being that the first thing that prompted me to actually vote for you was your vote on a confirmed scum!) I think I'll defer to Storyteller on this one for the moment because, as Arkham Nights demonstrated, he does this kind of analysis so much better than I do. (On an unrelated note... I would HATE to be on opposites sides to Storyteller, and am hoping and preying that I'm not now! Our vastly different scumhunting styles always seem to compliment each other so well... I don't want to lose that dynamic.) And on that question: I think Storyteller fits the town profile well, although I don't regard him as absolutely confirmed. CIAS has always been helpful when it comes to the stats, but some of his votes and suspicions have been way off - the fact that he suspected Septimus AND Archangel, but not Squink (who is, to me, most likely the only scum of the three) sticks in my craw a bit. I think Guiri's claim fits well into what we know - there's nothing odd that's outstanding that would make me think he might be a SK or mad bomber, the two roles that I'd be most worried about. If I were a lie detector, I'd be checking CIAS, Storyteller, Gnarly, or whichever of Ginger / Ma'at doesn't get lynched at this point. I sure as hell think one of them should be. I'd also remind everyone of what I said before - keep your night actions to exactly one sentence. That way, I have a 1/2 chance of picking up your night action, or Sis C's reply. I know I lied about how I'd use my role yesterday, but that was because I was worried that MHaye might be scum. I still think it's a possibility to bear in mind, but I see little evidence for it unless something unexpected happens. I'm going to try and use my role, as I did last night, to confirm town rather than hunt for scum.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 7:30:09 GMT -5
Ok, final thoughts. Given the vanilla template and the fact the suburban plankton and storyteller have claimed roles that are one-shot then turn vanilla, colby has to have had a power up front which was used. BillMc: it is possible to construct a scenario where he is the godfather, and the colby kill came from a scum double kill using Lightfoot, but given it is beginning to stretch the realms of credibility. Occam's razor says he was a 3rd party and is now vanilla, certainly given MHaye's result. I would consider MHaye and gnarlycharlie pretty much confirmed and Suburban Plankton definitely so. Moley's role is just too horrible for a scum person to have, and I would consider storyteller town, as and when he Daykills. Why? The scum have already got a strongman, which is usually either cuts through night protection or is a double kill. Giving the scum two similar roles would be frankly unfair. guiri: well its the most inoffensive game I have ever seen him play. I am leaning towards believing his claim. oh and on the subject of claims, I don't think the scum have been given any. Why? because Meeko didn't claim anything on Day 3. If they had some claims, surely he would have used one of them? Which leaves the vanilla... I'll let other decide, but I think the best bet to win this game is to rattle through the vanilla. Storytellers method for using his power is probably the phrase "Off with X's head" I would seriously consider daykilling one of the vanilla now and lynching one of the others to reduce the pool to the point where it can't be less than the claimed roles, which from above, I would guess are all town. Comments and suggestions welcome, other than perhaps Off with CIAS' head Forgot about the Strongman. You're right about that. So scratch Storyteller off that little list of mine at the end of my last post. The scum have been trying to get Archangel lynched forever - hell, I had him pegged as the "designated goat" on day TWO, let alone later on. I said yesterday that I wouldn't be shocked if he were scum, but I'd be surprised. I'm going to change that, in light of what we know regarding Squink and Lightfoot: I'd be ASTONISHED if he were scum. This is just not how scum bus each other. CIAS, I think you and Ma'at are in a similar position, to me, that Ginger and Gnarly have been for a while now, in that I think at least one of you is likely to be scum. I'm strongly leaning towards Ma'at. It's only your record of suspicions and votes that make me consider you (which, you gotta admit, has not been fantastic.) Plus the fact that the only confirmed scum to have ever voted you was Lightfoot yesterday after Squink was revealed as non-town. This is frustrating because if you are town, I can see you've been trying to help here... This doesn't require a response from you, I'm not asking any questions or FoSing here; just putting it out there for future reference.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Jun 1, 2011 7:35:06 GMT -5
Moley's role is just too horrible for a scum person to have, and I would consider storyteller town, as and when he Daykills. Why? The scum have already got a strongman, which is usually either cuts through night protection or is a double kill. Giving the scum two similar roles would be frankly unfair. Oh, almost forgot... I was going to point out the irony, if you were scum (I'm not saying you are), of my role PM telling me to beware of C-A-T. For the first two days I was worried about being spotted and sniped by the Cheshire Cat, thinking this was a hint that he/she may be scum or a third-party assassin with my name in their sights; whereas in actual fact it would be you I would have to worry about. That would be hilarious. ;D **Waits in terror to be night-killed by CIAS...**
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 7:45:34 GMT -5
Oh, almost forgot... I was going to point out the irony, if you were scum (I'm not saying you are), of my role PM telling me to beware of C-A-T. For the first two days I was worried about being spotted and sniped by the Cheshire Cat, thinking this was a hint that he/she may be scum or a third-party assassin with my name in their sights; whereas in actual fact it would be you I would have to worry about. That would be hilarious. ;D **Waits in terror to be night-killed by CIAS...**I noticed that when you posted your PM. It would be a meta game mind twister worthy of Lewis Carroll. ;D Boo!!
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 9:38:30 GMT -5
it's a bit brutal but i find the lynch vanilla doable. we can day vig and lynch the two most probable.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 9:44:31 GMT -5
Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. I will also add for the LD: The Role PM above is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role description. Well you see what happened was, I deleted my original PM by mistake. I was cleaning out my inbox from all of the Scooby Doo messages and I must of checked the first PM from Wonderland. I searched for a "trash bin" but there is not one here. Once you delete you delete. I found the sample PM in the rules. I said that for the LD because technically it was provided by the MOD in the rules and I did not know it was any different than mine except for my role and alignment. IF you don't believe me here is this for the LD. Mhaye can test it tonight if he wants. I am town This is probably a dumb question, but if you deleted your role pm and copied and pasted from the vanilla template, why does your post say you received it on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm?? Just curious ?
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 9:59:12 GMT -5
Actually, its a damn sight better than the argument that you are using italics, which frankly could have been a deliberate mod amendment, see Archangel and the little t.
But those two posts just don't match up.
Vote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by Sister Coyote on Jun 1, 2011 10:13:33 GMT -5
Current vote count:
JustBeingGinger (3,3): BillMc [104], Ma'at [115], CatInaSuit [128] Ma'at (2,2)*: Rysto [4], Honest Moley [7] Archangel (2,0) gnarlycharlie (1,0) CatInaSuit (1,1): gnarlycharlie [16], Archangel [57] BillMc (1,1): storyteller [64]
With these votes, JustBeingGinger will be lynched.
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Post by BillMc on Jun 1, 2011 10:16:14 GMT -5
Just a quick read before a day of exciting meetings...yawn. Well you see what happened was, I deleted my original PM by mistake. I was cleaning out my inbox from all of the Scooby Doo messages and I must of checked the first PM from Wonderland. I searched for a "trash bin" but there is not one here. Once you delete you delete. I found the sample PM in the rules. a) If it is not your original why does it have a timestamp b) If you created from the sample pm, why does it have a different timestamp from that one? It smells of a fake pm.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 10:18:03 GMT -5
Mafia in Wonderland « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off. You're Vanilla Town, and have no power other than your vote.You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated. I will also add for the LD: The Role PM above is my complete original unaltered mod-provided role description. Well you see what happened was, I deleted my original PM by mistake. I was cleaning out my inbox from all of the Scooby Doo messages and I must of checked the first PM from Wonderland. I searched for a "trash bin" but there is not one here. Once you delete you delete. I found the sample PM in the rules. I said that for the LD because technically it was provided by the MOD in the rules and I did not know it was any different than mine except for my role and alignment. IF you don't believe me here is this for the LD. Mhaye can test it tonight if he wants. I am town This is probably a dumb question, but if you deleted your role pm and copied and pasted from the vanilla template, why does your post say you received it on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm?? Just curious ? i don't follow. isn't the time on the PM whatever time it's posted in the player's time zone?
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 1, 2011 10:21:15 GMT -5
i don't follow. isn't the time on the PM whatever time it's posted in the player's time zone? That would be the local time for JBG. But it's the fact it has a message time on it at all that's suspicious. BillMc said it better above.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 10:22:32 GMT -5
if i copy and pasted, it would look this way:
Vanilla PM « Reply #2 on May 2, 2011, 5:11am » You are the $Number of $Suits.
You're not really sure what the heck is going on, but you're painting the roses red so your head doesn't get cut off.
You're Vanilla $Alignment, and have no power other than your vote. (unless you're Scum, of course. Then it's your vote and the ability to Night Kill).
IF $Alignment = "Town": You win so long as all threats to Town are eliminated.
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2011 10:30:48 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question, but if you deleted your role pm and copied and pasted from the vanilla template, why does your post say you received it on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm?? I've been undecided about Ginger. Her posts in this game lack any "scummish" smell that I can detect. Her claim that she deleted role PM and reconstructed it seemed like it might even be true. (Why else would she voluntarily claim first instead of waiting for another player to post a genuine Vanilla template?) But her voting record stinks, frankly. She did help Lynch Meeko on Day 3, but her vote came at a time when the other likely Lynchees (squink and Lightfoot) were also Scum. CIAS' comment about the time stamp decided for me. The time looks correct (supposing her to be in Chicago timezone), so Ginger either based her fake PM on her real PM or took time to do a careful counterfeiting. Vote: JustBeingGingerI just hope she's not the final Scum. This game is too fun to end abruptly (especially if our win just arises from the mechanics of PM counterfeiting ).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2011 10:34:22 GMT -5
This is probably a dumb question, but if you deleted your role pm and copied and pasted from the vanilla template, why does your post say you received it on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm?? Yuuup. Unvote: BillMc [/color] Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color] By the way, I want to point out that I can Day kill only once. I will almost definitely do so toDay, by the way, leaving me vanilla come the morning. [ETA By SisC: Apparently Story Can't Code, clown will eat him]
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Post by septimus on Jun 1, 2011 10:54:46 GMT -5
... I can Day kill only once[/i]. I will almost definitely do so toDay ...[/quote] Oh goody! Won't you please post a short list of candidates to enhance the suspense?
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Post by Rysto on Jun 1, 2011 11:02:28 GMT -5
story, if you're going to take aim at a vanilla claimant, you should probably tell us who that's going to be so that a doctor could claim.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 1, 2011 11:12:44 GMT -5
story, if you're going to take aim at a vanilla claimant, you should probably tell us who that's going to be so that a doctor could claim. i was just about to say that.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 11:19:48 GMT -5
Ok, so I am not even going to pretend at this point. Do not waste a lynch on me. I would Day Vig me and go after 3rd party. I did really delete my PM, but I had posted it a while back on another board and that is where I got the timestamp from. ;D Here is a snippet and all you need to know. « Message sent on May 1, 2011, 4:37pm » You are the Five of Hearts. There is no way you're painting the damn roses, so you've got a plan. A malicious, vicious plan, and by god you're going to see it through to the end. You are the Scum Godfather. It is hard playing SCUM. Yes MOLEY you were right... FOR ONCE!!!! Go ahead and VIG Me!!!! I like being TOWN much better!!!!!!!!
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2011 11:21:55 GMT -5
story, if you're going to take aim at a vanilla claimant, you should probably tell us who that's going to be so that a doctor could claim. I'll announce my target no later than noon EST tomorrow. Does that seem reasonable?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2011 11:24:05 GMT -5
Oh, and....
That was easy.
Shall I just kill Ginger and utilize the lynch for other things?
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Post by Rysto on Jun 1, 2011 11:25:13 GMT -5
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Can't say that I've ever seen that claim made before.
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Post by Rysto on Jun 1, 2011 11:26:00 GMT -5
If Ginger truly is the godfather, there is the risk of a kill resistance/immunity.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 11:27:10 GMT -5
... Can't say that I've ever seen that claim made before. It was my first time playing SCUM and it was my own mistake and I am not a good deceitful person. Good thing there is no webcam! I have no poker face.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2011 11:30:29 GMT -5
If Ginger truly is the godfather, there is the risk of a kill resistance/immunity. That's a fair point. So, Ginger, anybody left on your side?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 11:32:37 GMT -5
If Ginger truly is the godfather, there is the risk of a kill resistance/immunity. That's a fair point. So, Ginger, anybody left on your side? I will not confirm or deny.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 1, 2011 11:33:50 GMT -5
That's a fair point. So, Ginger, anybody left on your side? I will not confirm or deny. Can't blame a guy for trying ;D
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 1, 2011 11:35:38 GMT -5
I will not confirm or deny. Can't blame a guy for trying ;D I will not give anymore detail on what actions I did or why. It would not be fun if I did... ;D
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 1, 2011 12:01:44 GMT -5
I was about to come in and vote for JustBeingGinger, saying that the combination of the italics and the mysterious timestamp was just too much. Now I see he had claimed Godfather. so... Does he have immunity to the day Vig? If so, story would waste his one and only kill, but we'd still be able to lynch him Today. Is he the last remaining Scum? He could be, in which case he's simply giving up at this point (which is understandable). If he's not, then I'm betting he's immune to a Day Kill and is trying to prevent story from targeting Scum #5. Is he lying in order to draw our fire? Could the Scum have a bomb that could be used, or something of that sort? Perhaps this is one other way that the Scum can rid themselves of Bill? My gut feeling is that storyteller should use his power and Day Kill Ginger. It could be a trap and we could fail to kill him, and/or we might lose a Townie in some fashion, but I feel like living dangerously (easy for me to do when I'm not actually in any danger myself
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