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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:04:55 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Oct 22, 2007 0:04:55 GMT -5
Okay, I wrote that last post before reading Cookies post, and apparently it's NOT extremely obvious that Klutz was not killed by the Alliance scum . Maybe they were allowed to sacrifice one of their own?
And not only do we seem to have a bunch of minor power roles in the crew, but looks like the scum groups do too.
I really want to know what faction Cookies is, but I suppose we won't know until tonight.
Luckily we're going to kill her, but I wonder if Cookies really is Fanty, and has either a recruitment or extra kill option with Mingo.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:08:23 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 0:08:23 GMT -5
mmkay, I'm gonna vote for Cookies now w/in next 5 mins... so don't hammer or nothing.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:10:34 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 22, 2007 0:10:34 GMT -5
Idle - do you know if you saved yourself? Wouldn't be surprising, but it'd be interesting if, say, a different target was chosen by the Alliance. (I think it's extremely obvious that they didn't get a kill in. ) Nah, I don't know one way or the other. But you raise a good point. Did the Alliance get in a kill or not? If we are to believe that Cookies and Pygmy are not Alliance themselves, then either the real Alliance group was blocked somehow or cast a vote for no-kill (which I can't seem them doing). However this gives birth to the question if Cookies and Pygmy aren't Alliance, why haven't their kills been showing up all this time? I mean, there HAS always been second kills but they were always attributed to a Vig of some sort. And this whole Mingo thing has be confused too with Cookies talking about investigating people like Hal who claimed to be River. Is it possible Mingo could be someone who already has a name? Why would Cookies think this? Unless Cookies has more info that was told to her that Mingo could be anyone, even if they already have a name, I don't know why. Even if Hal was/is lying, how and why would Cookies know this..why would she suspect it? Or hell, maybe the whole Fanty and Mingo thing was just bunk and Cookies has been leading us along on leashes all this time (well, save for those who knew who she was). Or...and this is what scares me the most... ...maybe Cookies really was who she said she was all this time but was recruited. So many possibilities.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:11:40 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Oct 22, 2007 0:11:40 GMT -5
Okay, I wrote that last post before reading Cookies post, and apparently it's NOT extremely obvious that Klutz was not killed by the Alliance scum . Maybe they were allowed to sacrifice one of their own? And not only do we seem to have a bunch of minor power roles in the crew, but looks like the scum groups do too. I really want to know what faction Cookies is, but I suppose we won't know until tonight. Luckily we're going to kill her, but I wonder if Cookies really is Fanty, and has either a recruitment or extra kill option with Mingo. Cookies is operating off-board, and it seems that she was looking for mod clarification in order to kill CK as evidenced by "If we're being given the green light to kill CK" I think we need to off Cookies, then (assuming she turns up scum) hang Pygmy. Too often town gets sidetracked from such a plan, and loses focus, and possibly a good line on scum pairings. Can we agree to such a plan?
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:11:46 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 0:11:46 GMT -5
Vote Cookies #6 I believe. So 2 from the Hammer. Pygmy]... Care to do the honors when it comes?
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:14:33 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Oct 22, 2007 0:14:33 GMT -5
Whatever team Cookies is on, she is not alone with Pygmy. She says we, and then mentions Pygmy in the third person.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:15:25 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 22, 2007 0:15:25 GMT -5
Ok, well then even if there's some sort of subterfuge going on here, Cookies is part of it. Vote CookiesThis might end up explaining why I've been so suspicious of Pygmy too. Kat said she made the post come back to be public. It is found in the Night Five thread, near the end, if you (or anyone else) wishes to read it.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:15:33 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 0:15:33 GMT -5
I'm down with such a plan.
And it appears to be that there are 3 people involved. Pygmy, Cookies and the 3rd person... who was probably online at the time to get the message, but Pygmy wasn't online.... (Just some MetaGaming fun).
So We also know who cookies has looked at in the past as well.... And since in that post she was considering looking at Hockey, Hal, and CK, we can presume they are probably not the 3rd Person being spoken to.
Oooh! It's like a Mystery Novel! Who is the mysterious Hidden Figure?
I give them the Code Name "Pookie." We must find Pookie, and Eliminate them as well!
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:17:43 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 22, 2007 0:17:43 GMT -5
Pygmy... Care to do the honors when it comes? That's hilarious. ;D
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:19:15 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Oct 22, 2007 0:19:15 GMT -5
Day 6 Official Vote Count:
Cookies (6): Idle Thoughts, hockeymonkey, dotchan, panamajack, dnooman, Roosh
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:19:22 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Oct 22, 2007 0:19:22 GMT -5
Ok, well then even if there's some sort of subterfuge going on here, Cookies is part of it. Vote CookiesThis might end up explaining why I've been so suspicious of Pygmy too. Kat said she made the post come back to be public. It is found in the Night Five thread, near the end, if you (or anyone else) wishes to read it.I have read it. Hence my quoting it.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:20:15 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 0:20:15 GMT -5
Thank you. I try.
And I'm kinda pleased that mentioned Dawn starts in 2 hours.... A Win is a Win, By Any Means Necessary! (I view this as perfectly fine "in game" as it's just a "scum slip" and I'm glad Kat restored the comment for those like me to still see it, cuz its just an advantage given to half the town, and they're gonna have to share it with the rest of us anyways or just be permanently biased.... So Good Modding there!)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:21:08 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 0:21:08 GMT -5
Wait. Dotchan is in the game? Dotchan3.0???
Is she the new MadTheChan3.0?
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 0:35:11 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Oct 22, 2007 0:35:11 GMT -5
Wait. Dotchan is in the game? Dotchan3.0??? Is she the new MadTheChan3.0? Affirmative.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 1:03:27 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Oct 22, 2007 1:03:27 GMT -5
Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like Roosh's plan. To kill off Pygmy first, just in case his power is stronger or better. unvote Cookiesvote Pygmy RuggerI'll change it back if a vote is needed, though...but I doubt we'll be at a loss for votes in this case. I also hope this Day at least lasts longer than 24 hours..if only to give others a chance to ring in with their thoughts.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 1:07:04 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 1:07:04 GMT -5
I also Would support a Pygmy Lynch, and since it t'was my idea... :shrug: I'll put my money where my mouth is. But I'm not gonna delay the day any longer. If Cookies gets 7 votes, I WILL Hammer her. Period. Or I'll vote for her within 48 hours if no one is getting behind the Pygmy thing yet. Though I think it's a good idea.
UnvoteCookies Vote Pygmy
question for Pygmy RuggeR: Why should we Kill Cookies before We kill You?
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 4:35:18 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 22, 2007 4:35:18 GMT -5
I have to say that after reading that it makes sense to
Vote Pygmy Rugger
PR is clearly the bossman here, so why kill DarkCookies first. Go for the head!
(Nothing personal PR.)
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 4:38:51 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 22, 2007 4:38:51 GMT -5
And while I think about it, welcome back to the game, Mad.Chan.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 5:18:48 GMT -5
Post by dnooman on Oct 22, 2007 5:18:48 GMT -5
Unvote Cookies Vote Pygmy
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 6:47:18 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Oct 22, 2007 6:47:18 GMT -5
Ok, Having read through Cookies classic post (nice one Cookies ) I reckon that Cookies was probably telling us the truth when she originally roleclaimed. However, the night drainbead died, she was contacted by the other half and converted to the Alliance. This would account for the drop in kills for that night. At this rate, I would hazard a guess of two scum groups carrying out night kills, instead of scum + vig. I am betting that there is at least one of Hand of Blue in the game apart from the group with Cookies in. I would also seriously consider lynching Hal Briston aka River Tam, considering that by canon she is the target of hands of Blue. That would also account for the night kill drop for last night. However, given the current situation, I am quite happy to lynch either Cookies or Pygmy Rugger.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 9:59:54 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 22, 2007 9:59:54 GMT -5
Submitted my orders to NAF? I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but I have a couple theories.
First, Cookies is very familiar with my slip from M5, where I implicated myself and NAF. For those that didn't follow that game, NAF and I were supposed to sacrifice ourselves at some point, in order to allow our Godfather to get investigated and turn up town. It's ironic that she chose me to make her little "slip" with, but I can totally see a scum trying to implicate me in this way. The fact that I made the first of this type of slip, and the fact that there was a bit of suspicion on me yesterDay make me the perfect target for this kind of attack.
I'm worried that Cookies might be part of a group that is about to sweep the game, and needed only to kill two more that weren't one of her own in order to do so. If they started with five, and Cookies was recruited, that would make six. Sacrificing herself in this way to get me would mean only one more mislynch or lynch of Alliance scum would be needed. I'm theorizing that the second group is either Blue Sun or Reavers. Another possibility is that this group started with one, and has been recruiting under our noses this whole time. If this were the case, the group could be seven strong right now, and we'll lose the game as soon as I die today since Cookies "implicated" me as big boss man.
The scary part is, what if there's no vig, and the two night kills have been coming at the hands of the two scum factions. If my number estimates are correct, and Cookies ends up getting me lynched, I think we'll lose the game toMorrow night. That would make sense if they thought started out with equal numbers as Alliance scum, and think they were one up (well, two, after CK died) right now.
Concerning the "green light" thing, I'm not sure if that was put in there to try and throw us off, but I'm also wondering if there was some metagaming issue where they found out CKs alignment through a PM or something, and were using that info to guarantee that they had more numbers than the Alliance.
Needless to say, Vote Cookies.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 10:11:40 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Oct 22, 2007 10:11:40 GMT -5
First things first -- Any idea how confusing the beginning of this thread is if you didn't read the Night Six thread first? Well, the next two days seem pretty well in order. I fully agree with the idea of knocking off pygmy first. Besides, why kill off as good a source of info as Cookies before we have to? (I keed...I keed)I agree with going after pygmy because when we look at a conversation from Day Two in this new light, it becomes apparent exactly who Pygmy is. Check out the Cookies/pygmy fight going on here. No doubt on this one: Vote pygmyAnd on preview, I see this: Submitted my orders to NAF? I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but I have a couple theories. I was wondering if he was going to try something like this. Really pyg? Are you really expecting that to work?
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 10:28:06 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 22, 2007 10:28:06 GMT -5
<snip> I was wondering if he was going to try something like this. Really pyg? Are you really expecting that to work? Well, no. She did pull a pretty good gambit. I'm guessing one of Hal and Hockey is on Cookies side, so I'd suggest lynching one of them Tomorrow.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 10:51:48 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Oct 22, 2007 10:51:48 GMT -5
The way I see it, Cookies has handed herself to us on a nice big silver platter. Unless we've got a vig in the game, she's a better play toDay because we're 100% certain she is guilty.
Pygmy of course gets a lot of guilt by association, but there is still some chance this slip was planned (the scum get to talk at Night, after all).
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 11:01:25 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Oct 22, 2007 11:01:25 GMT -5
It's pretty clear Pygmy is scum, but I still think we need to take out Cookies first.
I think we can also guess that one of them may be the "scum investigator".
There are a couple of scenarios that might explain Cookies' post last night. I'm not saying that this is the best interpretation, but the chance is enough to make me want to stay with her.
On Day 3, Cookies threw drainbead under the train. While I previously thought this meant that Cookies is more likely to be crew, her being scum allows a couple options:
1. There are rival scum factions (REAVERS!?); Cookies is in one, drainbead in another. They may be trying to destroy each other, and in fact be responsible for all the kills so far (aside from maybe Greedy and Hal).
2. Cookies is Alliance scum, but more important than a role blocker. This is the possibility that worries me; she is maybe the investigator, or a recruiter. Either one we need to take out first.
Where does Pygmy stand? We can't really tell from the wording of Cookies's post. There is a faint possibility that, in fact, Pygmy is in a different faction from Cookies, and that she is only aware of his "night action" because of a previous investigation. Since she is in the group that may have killed Capt. Klutz, it seems more likely that if this is so, he's Alliance.
I know our job here is to get rid of the Alliance scum, but I don't think another group is going to be pro-crew. If there are two factions, we ought to know sooner rather than later.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 11:25:42 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Oct 22, 2007 11:25:42 GMT -5
Pygmy. your ideas fascinate me. I'd love to hear more. Just for my own amusement really.
P-Jack... So you don't think that Cookies and Pygmy are on the same team? But that cookies knows of Pygmy's Role somehow, in that he has a night action, and was just mentioning it to Pookie?
If we're being given the green light to kill CK then I think we should go for it, and that would mean I would be switching my investigation target to Hal. I have no idea when Pygmy thinks the Night ends, or if he has submitted any orders to NAF yet. -Cookies
-And I think it IS pretty clear that Cookies has an Investigatory role of some sort.... but yeah, I'm down with Killing either Cookies or Pygmy. Vote Count please?
Actually Pygmy, this is an interesting point PJ brings up. Cookies apparently knows you have a night action to preform. So... Care to Role Claim, or even Name Claim? My Wineglass is feeling empty, and I'm always curious to hear what dead men have to say. Convince me more than Cookies is Scummier than Thou. And that you're NOT on the same team if possible, now that PJ has suggested such an idea.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 11:53:16 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 22, 2007 11:53:16 GMT -5
<snip> I was wondering if he was going to try something like this. Really pyg? Are you really expecting that to work? Well, no. She did pull a pretty good gambit. I'm guessing one of Hal and Hockey is on Cookies side, so I'd suggest lynching one of them Tomorrow. What? Nice try Pygmy. It's pretty clear from the post, that neither Hal nor I are on the same side as her. I give you points for effort though.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 12:02:41 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Oct 22, 2007 12:02:41 GMT -5
<snip> What? Nice try Pygmy. It's pretty clear from the post, that neither Hal nor I are on the same side as her. I give you points for effort though. Pretty clear, that is, until you factor in that it must not have been a "slip" at all, and Cookies and her scummies decided this would be a great time for just this type of gambit.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 12:08:21 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 22, 2007 12:08:21 GMT -5
It's a shame more people weren't around to witness the end of the night. In my opinion, Cookies really did f-up and post to the wrong board. It was clear from her reaction and timing of her reaction that it was genuine, not contrived. The fact the Kat pulled the post for a little while is also evidence to me that it was a genuine slip from scum.
It is evident that if she was investigating me, then I am not on her side. It is evident that if she was investigating Hal, then Hal is not on her side. It is evident that if she knew Pygmy had a night action to submit that she is aware of his role. It is evident that there is a third person involved in her scum group.
It is not clear whether Captain Klutz was on another scum team or if they sacrificed him for some reason.
The question we must answer toDay is which of the known scum - Cookies or Pygmy - will be the more beneficial to us.
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Day Six
Oct 22, 2007 12:10:27 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Oct 22, 2007 12:10:27 GMT -5
BTW are you ever going to be Not Scum?
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