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Day Two
Jan 21, 2012 15:16:10 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 21, 2012 15:16:10 GMT -5
Can't you vote more than one player? I'm not a fan of multiple voting. Never have been. I'll use it if needed, but yesterDay all that was needed was to try to save my own skin, so I voted for Mahaloth. That was all that was needed, a vote for Hoopy would have been wasted. You could argue that it'd have been logged, but I'm not one to care about that. How so? I can't recall a time I was confused about it. Not sure I'm ready to say what scum will do, but I still maintain full disclosure is best..and about THIS... ...You're twisting my posts. I obviously mean info about investigations since I was talking about investigations in that post. That strikes me as you trying to subtly smudge me by showing inconsistency in my posts, but I don't think it shows what you think it shows.
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Day Two
Jan 21, 2012 16:55:46 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 21, 2012 16:55:46 GMT -5
I've already discussed (and apologised for) being over-committed at the mo. Things should be a little better Today; the other game is still going, but Nightfall is on Wednesday. That means I'll have slightly more time to deal with voting Today.
As for the contradiction - that came about because my views evolved over the course of writing the post. I started off thinking we should give Mahaloth rope to see if he hung himself. That's my usual reaction to an investigative roleclaim. However, as I examined the votes, I began to change my mind. None of the votes I examined stood out as being poorly motivated.
Secondly, I thought about whether it was easy to spoof Detective, and came to the conclusion that it was quite easy for a Wolf - they know who they kill, so can choose to investigate another death and cast the blame on a Vampire, or bus a teammate for Town cred. This reduced any gain from giving him rope to hang himself.
Then there was the "no lynch" risk. Remember, there were 13 votes on Mahaloth, and if someone unvoted in a "fit of conscience" we'd have lynched no-one that Day. I generally dislike not lynching on Day 1, so wanted to guard against the possibility of failure to lynch.
So I changed my mind about voting for Maha during the composition of the post. However, it was so late that I didn't think I'd have time to go back and edit the early part into conformity with the final decision, so I just posted it "warts and all." If I'd edited the beginning, I wouldn't have posted it until 8:01 or later, and wouldn't have bothered posting it at all.
Im knew it looked bad, but decided it was better to post and get something out there than not post it at all.
Apologies again.
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Day Two
Jan 21, 2012 23:38:55 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 21, 2012 23:38:55 GMT -5
So, we're going to have Monday and Tuesday morning to get someone to 12 votes.
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 0:42:01 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jan 22, 2012 0:42:01 GMT -5
So, we're going to have Monday and Tuesday morning to get someone to 12 votes. Are we all taking Sunday off?
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 6:59:05 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 22, 2012 6:59:05 GMT -5
...You're twisting my posts.. That was not my intention. I was pissed that you shared the result and, coupled with my reason for voting you D1, I was reluctant to accept your claim. If you're really a witch, you'll be confirmed sooner or later, and if you're not, we'll find out. I apologise for this back and forth, I don't see how it's helping us find the bad guys so I'll move on.
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 9:08:24 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jan 22, 2012 9:08:24 GMT -5
My recommendation is still to Lynch texcat the Wolf, but multiple votes may be needed just to get any Lynch, so I'll vote some other cases that at least make a little sense. Vote: Hoopy Frood [/color] Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] Vote: Nanook [/color] I'm reluctant to vote for Happy Frood, since he's the one providing intelligent pro-Town answers to my dumb questions. But among you Mafia sharks, offering good pro-Town advice may be a tell of clever scum.
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 9:16:08 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2012 9:16:08 GMT -5
My recommendation is still to Lynch texcat the Wolf, but multiple votes may be needed just to get any Lynch, so I'll vote some other cases that at least make a little sense. Vote: Hoopy Frood [/color] Vote: gnarlycharlie [/color] Vote: Nanook [/color] I'm reluctant to vote for Happy Frood, since he's the one providing intelligent pro-Town answers to my dumb questions. But among you Mafia sharks, offering good pro-Town advice may be a tell of clever scum. [/quote] Ah, lynch the loud. Great strategy!
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 11:01:40 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 22, 2012 11:01:40 GMT -5
So, we're going to have Monday and Tuesday morning to get someone to 12 votes. Are we all taking Sunday off? most people seem to. We'll see
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 14:59:35 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jan 22, 2012 14:59:35 GMT -5
Vote Deon Vote Colby Vote Scathach Nothing to say? Nothing? Just browsing?
Vote Sister Coyote For her first post D1 and her later vote switch.
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 15:10:14 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jan 22, 2012 15:10:14 GMT -5
Ah, lynch the loud. Great strategy! Just to be clear: I voted you despite your good pro-Town posts, not because of them. But I'm wrong to join a bandwagon I don't feel: Unvote: Hoopy FroodHowever, isn't it good to avoid No Lynch? I wasn't too happy with the Maha bandwagon yesterDay, but fortunately did not Unvote. Last-minute voting is not a good option for me: 12 Noon PST is after my bedtime. I'll add some Lynch-the-Lurker votes: Vote: DeonVote: ColbyVote: ScathachVote: Sister Coyote(I do worry that 1 or 2 are protesting Town yet perhaps playing anti-Town for all to see, but I don't have vote(s) on them. I'm not going to vote a plausble Witch.)
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 16:01:59 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Jan 22, 2012 16:01:59 GMT -5
Ah, lynch the loud. Great strategy! Just to be clear: I voted you despite your good pro-Town posts, not because of them. But I'm wrong to join a bandwagon I don't feel: Unvote: Hoopy FroodThanks. Unfortunately, two of the people voting me are people I believe to be town, which makes it rather difficult to disparage their motives. And you voting me was the third likely townie on it. It's hard to stop a bandwagon against you when people you think are town are the ones on it. (I've already said my peace on gnarly, and CIAS hasn't done anything to make me lean one way or another on him.)
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 19:00:03 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jan 22, 2012 19:00:03 GMT -5
I think lyching lurkers is a really easy way for scum teams to try to lynch other roles other than the ones they're in (for example: Why not vote for one of the current vote leaders? Is that because one of them is your wolf buddy? Why go for the inactive players when a wolf could come along at the last second and choose any of the inactives they want (that aren't wolves)?)
Harumph.
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Day Two
Jan 22, 2012 19:56:59 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Jan 22, 2012 19:56:59 GMT -5
my schedule has gotten all wonky with this whole retail gig. i'll try to catch up tonight and post as i go. i know people like to shop during christmas but fucking impending rodeo in san antonio is like the krakken that just won't die. wave after wave of bubbas with the thought of funnel cake and flat beer on the brain makes them absurdly aggressive and combative. jeebuz, i want to go back to the mexicans who merely want to change your air filter or some random shit while you are just trying to buy a scratch off.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 0:23:58 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 23, 2012 0:23:58 GMT -5
my internet at home is shot so i can't go online during the weekends. not sure when it will be okay. as i said in the going away thread, i'll be away for most of Monday and Tuesday , US time.
septimus, i'm skimming since i don't have much time. when was texcat found to be wolf?
why isn't everyone voting for her then?
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 1:42:37 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jan 23, 2012 1:42:37 GMT -5
Sorry- I've had a long few days, and playing 3 games at once doesn't help matters any. I can handle 2.. 3 is just crazy, especially with this game. I have been reading, it's just that every time that I write a response, it's so full of fluff it could stuff 5 pillows, and fluff has gotten me lynched in the past.
Summary- Silver Jan and Peeker are claiming to be freemasons Septimus is claiming town coroner Idle thoughts is claiming witch, and claims that guiri is town.
Personally, I agree with the fact that Idle shouldn't have claimed that Guiri is town. That gives wolves a choice between hunting someone who is confirmed town or hitting in the dark and accidently being killed by a vampire that is hiding within the crowd
Septimus- nice septinas. Will you be giving us more of those in the future? On a second note- why are you so sure that you think that texcat is a wolf? I checked your vote post for her, and really saw no reasoning.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 2:18:40 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jan 23, 2012 2:18:40 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't been active, guys. Day one activity is so strained, given the lack of information, and I totally zoned out of this game. On the one hand, I'm happy to see that Day Two doesn't have a bajillion posts, as it means I'm going to be able to properly catch back up here, but it doesn't suggest the healthy sort of banter wherein someone inevitably shows their hand. I am a little confused by the twelve gajillion vote from the first page. Did Pleo throw some sort of wonky multivote into this?
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 2:25:31 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jan 23, 2012 2:25:31 GMT -5
One thing I'd like is for septimus to flesh out his vote against MHaye. I can follow the Hoopy vote despite pro-Town sentiments involved, but the MHaye vote seems to be specifically and strictly because of Towny posting.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 2:36:00 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Jan 23, 2012 2:36:00 GMT -5
So a healthy week and a half into the game, I think I've got the voting scheme down now. Par for the course, really.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 5:16:30 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Jan 23, 2012 5:16:30 GMT -5
Ugh, sorry, just assume that I won't be around on weekends really. I've been reading along on my phone, but it's too much of a pain to try and reply on it.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 6:08:11 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Jan 23, 2012 6:08:11 GMT -5
texcat was a Lynch contender yesterDay, yet drew no votes from anyone who didn't vote mahaloth. Mightn't Wolves have voted texcat if he weren't one of them? Vote: texcat This is a fair point vote Texcat [/b] Sorry I haven't been active, guys. Day one activity is so strained, given the lack of information, and I totally zoned out of this game. On the one hand, I'm happy to see that Day Two doesn't have a bajillion posts, as it means I'm going to be able to properly catch back up here, but it doesn't suggest the healthy sort of banter wherein someone inevitably shows their hand. I am a little confused by the twelve gajillion vote from the first page. Did Pleo throw some sort of wonky multivote into this? I don't like this post from Boozahol Squid. On the one hand I can understand missing the multivoting - I did it myself. But surely the logical thing is to go look at the rules rather than just post about it. Along with claiming he zoned out on d1 it seems calculated to give an effect of not being too invested in the game. I admit I may be reading a lot into one post here, but nevertheless vote Boozahol Squid And also - Sister Coyote. She only made 3 posts yesterday and none yet today, So, having read through the Day, I'm coming away with this: Boozy's vote on peeker. For being disruptive. Now, where peeks is occasionally hard to follow, he's a lot less disruptive than other folks I can think of; and he's usually a pretty darn good player -- accurate, if hard to parse, in his arguments. Vote: Vote: peeker Also, I have to agree that I'm a little baffled by Idle's certainty about the number of undead; he could be assuming based on there only being two undead roles in the role list but it seems to me there have been multiple instances of roles in all the other Conspiracy games, including Necromancers and Vampires, so "two" doesn't seem a safe assumption unless the shifting numbers from other games somehow calculate out to that. That said, I'm not ready to vote Idle based on that. Guiri, I'm not going to vote for you at the moment, but how do you figure knowledge of the starting number of Undead is unlikely to be a Town power? Votes Boozahol for voting peeker. Expressed suspicion of both Idle and Guiri, but doesn't actually vote them. Actually the Guiri one is especially weird, because she doesn't really express suspicion of him, just asks a question. Why even state "I'm not going to vote for you at the moment"? Ah, okay. That makes sense, now. Accepts guiri's reasoning. Wow, so, explosion on the page. Also: Unvote: Peeker Vote: Boozy Squid And I'll just be over there, dying of mortification about the fact that I apparently locked peeker into my fingers at some point... Corrects a typo. And that's it. No comment on the Mahaloth wagon which was in full swing by this stage vote Sister Coyote[/b]
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 7:38:39 GMT -5
Post by special on Jan 23, 2012 7:38:39 GMT -5
Vote: texcat Vote: Sister Coyote
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 8:12:21 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 8:12:21 GMT -5
i would agree with the logic in games where there is only one vote per player. but with multiple votes, i think those later votes aren't as suspicious as they usually would be. Actually, if it meant someone could place a vote to allay suspicion without getting a teammate lynched, then its more likely than not. Idle Thought's Witch Claim: No I don't really believe it. But his die is cast regardless. Unless Mahaloth or JBG were witches, and I find that unlikely, we KNOW there are either 0 or 3 witches in the game. As for reveals, it was not a no-brainer, but a no-brain idea. The town can only win if there are cross-kills and this is a known part of the game. Claiming someone is town is very foolish idea, as it reduces the possibliity of cross kills between the Wolves, Undead and Cabal. Don't forget we will probably need the Cabal dead and crosskills from the other two scum teams are a necessity. You say you will die at Night, but as the claimed Witch, why would a killing faction risk attacking you when the possibility exists that they would be stopped? Chances of you dying at Night anytime soon - Zero. No, Idle Thoughts, I really don't think you are a Witch. But enough of that. Hoopy Frood: You missed something important from #46. The effect of crosskills on the Cabal numbers as well, who will also be hiding in the unknown pool. Any reason why. It's almost as important to the town to have them killed as well. My recommendation is still to Lynch texcat the Wolf, Ok, Septimus, where did this come from??
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 8:45:03 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 8:45:03 GMT -5
My recommendation is still to Lynch texcat the Wolf, Ok, Septimus, where did this come from?? Actually, I've found your reasoning for it. The only people voting texcat, were also voting Mahaloth. Actually, it makes a certain amount of sense and does lean towards texcat and Mahaloth being on the same side... or Wolf as you claim. If Mahaloth is a Wolf, I would expect the later voters on Idle Thoughts to be wolves along with those who voted elsewhere after Idle's claim, as it would be easier to ensure a No Lynch by not getting to the right number of votes. Something to look at, I guess. And looking back over it, of the people who didn't vote mahaloth after that point... gnarlycharlie (#218) votes a load of people, but no comment on the Mahaloth lynch. Suburban Plankton - who mentions the case in #228 and says he will look at the mahaloth case. After looking back over the case, he says he doesn't see what the fuss is and then votes several of the people who voted for Mahaloth stating their lack of reaoning in their votes. He was also prepared to vote Mahaloth at end of Day. Of the pair, I would say that gnarlycharlie really looks like he is placing votes and trying to avoid mahaloth at the same time. For Suburban Plankton, the reasoning behind his votes is sound and his actions appear honest., so for the moment. Unvote: Suburban Plankton
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 8:51:56 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 8:51:56 GMT -5
NETA: I'd look to those who were voting for me yesterDay BEFORE I claimed. Did anyone vote you after you claimed? I can get down with your thought Vote: Hoopy Frood [/color] Mr Special Ed - I'm not going to vote for myself Vote: CatInASuit [/color] Vote: Nanook [/color] septimus - likely coroner Silver Jan - Mason? guiri - Town according to Idle[/quote] Seeing as Idle Thoughts was talking about people who voted for him and not Mahaloth... As both I and Nanook voted for both Idle Thoughts and mahaloth AT THE SAME TIME, your reasoning for this vote is flawed. Would you care to try again?
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 9:06:18 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 9:06:18 GMT -5
Following on from yesterday, despite his votes of convenience and so on, Special Ed is still coming across as townie. This is on top of the pressure from Day 1 and his comments about choice of role.
Unvote: Special Ed Hmm, having read back over Hoopy Frood's earlier set up posts about the game, as well as pressure he is getting, I actually agree with his sentiments about "Lynch the Loud". This is one game, where lynching lurkers is probably a 50/50 shot of killing non-Town. It also forces everyone to post more and hopefully give themselves away.
Unvote: Hoopy Frood
I like the look of scathach's posts. Both sets of votes on Day 1 and 2 were well reasoned and clear.
Unvote: scathach
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 9:13:34 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 9:13:34 GMT -5
Guiri, septimus, posts #68 and #69 respectively, you add the same three people
deon colby11 scathach
(Sister Coyote is voted by guiri following Day 1, septimus votes for lurking)
for, in general, lurking. Apart from looking incredibly dodgy, why did you not include other people such as Pollux Oil or Inner Stickler who also haven't posted?
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 10:03:48 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jan 23, 2012 10:03:48 GMT -5
On Day 1, there were several players who cast several votes each, but of these gnarlycharlie, Suburban Plankton, and mahaloth cast no votes on mahaloth or texcat. Assuming mahaloth is Wolf, this casts suspicion on the fore-mentioned. Texcat was in contention for Lynch, though admittedly not close contention. Would Wolves avoid incriminating themselves, or would they have cast 1 or 2 votes on Texcat hoping for another Lynch leader? Since at least 1 or 2 Wolves were casting multiple votes anyway, it sure seems likely texcat would have attracted Wolf votes unless he was himself a Wolf. My suspicion of Merestil is less than that of texcat, and is based strictly on the vote that didn't count at 12 noon exactly. In his follow-up, Merestil admits to being well aware of the deadline. On my windows screen, the time is always visible at lower right, and I'd write " ... hold that thought; clicking Post while there's time" rather than letting the deadline come and go, and ending up with only a pretend vote. (Are such ploys common, and is Merestil the type to use them? I don't know.) I don't have strong suspicion of anyone else. (I'm concerned about Idle's play, but not ready to Lynch a Witch.) I think comments, questions, and votes are the way to develop better tells, so Lynch-the-Lurker votes may be a way to force conversation. ... septimus votes ... for, in general, lurking. Apart from looking incredibly dodgy, why did you not include other people such as Pollux Oil or Inner Stickler who also haven't posted? I think my voting policy is not so different in effect from yours. You vote everyone then Unvote those with a positive tell. I, OTOH, vote for slight causes or lurking. If a case is made against Oil or Sticks, I'll consider.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 10:14:08 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 10:14:08 GMT -5
I think my voting policy is not so different in effect from yours. You vote everyone then Unvote those with a positive tell. I, OTOH, vote for slight causes or lurking. If a case is made against Oil or Sticks, I'll consider. Case against them: Pollux Oil and Inner Stickler are not posting and possibly lurking, and lurking is scummy Also given what Inner Stickler has said in the past being quiet, he has all the hallmarks of being scum of any flavour. Your move.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 10:24:00 GMT -5
Post by septimus on Jan 23, 2012 10:24:00 GMT -5
Three other matters. 1. Assuming I, the Coroner, am informed of Lynchee's identity, my plan is to tell alignment early Night 2, but not exact role. Since strategy discussion is disallowed at Night, any advice needs to be offered now. 2. I didn't exactly answer CatInASuit's question. That's why I like to be Obviously Town -- no need to "dot every i." Anyway, if I had a penny for every time no one answered my question in a Mafia game, I could already buy Starbuck's most expensive Cafe Mocha, and I've not been playing Mafia long. 3. I'd never heard of the sestina form until Sister Coyote mentioned it, but they do seem fun to compose. However to come up with 39 lines that "rhyme" and are relevant to the Game isn't over-easy; maybe I'll use Limerick for my next reveal.
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Day Two
Jan 23, 2012 10:30:00 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jan 23, 2012 10:30:00 GMT -5
Three other matters. 1. Assuming I, the Coroner, am informed of Lynchee's identity, my plan is to tell alignment early Night 2, but not exact role. Since strategy discussion is disallowed at Night, any advice needs to be offered now. Just in response to one, if it is a scum role, knowledge of whether a Necromancer or Vampire rather than just undead is worth putting out. Cabal role/side is the same anyway and for the Wolves it is less important, but probably worth doing. If it is town, just the side, to provide less info to the scum sides, certainly when it comes to role claiming. YMMV.
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