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Post by texcat on Mar 29, 2012 8:40:00 GMT -5
Lightfoot's vote #185 seems to be missing from the official count.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 8:57:55 GMT -5
I assume you mean at Dawn toDay? Since we have not reached Dusk yet. Yes. Thank you
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2012 10:00:44 GMT -5
So SBrOwn's device has counted down (up?) by 4 since the last update (from Post 139 to Post 201). so what happened in that interval?
Posts Pollux 5 Sister Coyote 3 Suburban 8 Cookies 21 SBrOwn 6 BillMc 2 LightFoot 5 Meeko 3 sinjin 7
Votes Suburban (Idle) - Post 143 Cookies (Idle) - Post 146 SBrOwn (Cookies) - Post 149 Sister Coyote (Cookies) - Post 165 Pollux (Sister Coyote) - Post 176 Cookies (Sister Coyote) - Post 180 sinjin (Cookies) - Post 184 Lightfoot (Sister Coyote) - Post 185 SBrOwn (Sister Coyote) - Post 186
Unvotes Suburban (Idle) - Post 143 Cookies (Idle) - Post 180 Lightfoot (gnarlycharlie) - Post 185 SBrOwn (Cookies) - Post 186
Vote/Unvotes in the same Post Suburban (Idle/Idle) - Post 143 Cookies (Idle/Sister Coyote) - Post 180 Lightfoot (gnarlycharlie/Sister Coyote) - Post 185 SBrOwn (Cookies/Sister Coyote) - Post 186
Posts talking about SBrOwn's device Pollux 2 (140,144) Suburban 1 (143) SBrOwn 1 (147)
Posts talking about Pollux' device Suburban 1 (153) Cookies 2 (157, 174) SBrOwn 1 (170) Pollux 2 (176, 177)
Posts talking about devices in general Meeko 2 (159, 166) Cookies 1 (160) Suburban 1 (163) SBrOwn 2 (170, 171)
We had 4 unvotes. We had 4 'unvote/vote' posts. I haven't looked back to see if either of these match up with earlier changes on his device yet.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2012 10:09:51 GMT -5
We had 4 unvotes. We had 4 'unvote/vote' posts. I haven't looked back to see if either of these match up with earlier changes on his device yet. OK, that didn't take long. they don't. I'm lost as to it's functionality at this point.
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Post by texcat on Mar 29, 2012 10:16:55 GMT -5
I came in here this morning with the intention of voting for SisterC, but I must say these latest developments from Total have thrown me for a loop. If we believe Total, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are both scum and are getting more powerful. Or alternately, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are the same person and getting more powerful. My first inclination is to think that Total is lying, about the kerosene or the messages or both. Is it possible that Total is the evil twin? My message tried to implicate Total in the death of Astral. It doesn't make sense that a scummy messenger would try to make an evil twin look scummy. I just can't seem to make any sense of this.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 29, 2012 10:27:58 GMT -5
@ sinjin seeing a vote count, you decide to vote for the first time toDay . Makes me feel better about my vote change Uh, color me confused, what does that mean? SBrown has a pretty good handle on it. Just popping in late in the Day to vote cookies when SisC is getting some heat. ( if you recall I had some suspicions of you earlier) The comment was short because I read your post as I was posting .
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 10:28:30 GMT -5
I came in here this morning with the intention of voting for SisterC, but I must say these latest developments from Total have thrown me for a loop. If we believe Total, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are both scum and are getting more powerful. Or alternately, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are the same person and getting more powerful. My first inclination is to think that Total is lying, about the kerosene or the messages or both. Is it possible that Total is the evil twin? My message tried to implicate Total in the death of Astral. It doesn't make sense that a scummy messenger would try to make an evil twin look scummy. I just can't seem to make any sense of this. I guess anything is possible - some scenarios are just less likely than others. But if you go back and read my soft-claim and Inner's responds you will learn that I first claim to be able to confirm my "partner" as 100% Town. I then added that I had no way of knowing if this also the case the other way around. Inner then came back and confirmed I was Town. He turned out to be Town. So the only way I could be evil ATP in the game would be by recruting. Do you really find it likely that I would - after being recruited - post the PM trying to recruit me??? I am trying very hard not to take that as a insult to my intelligence I know my logic is sometimes less flawless than others. But I do not think of myself as stupid... Maybe that is just a prove to others how dumb I am. However I can't even begin to understand why that would change your mind regarding Sister Coyote Or maybe I should rephrase it to: If that changed your mind regarding Sister Coyote maybe you should vote as you see fit and leave the vote as a datapoint for later Days.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 29, 2012 10:30:33 GMT -5
~~snipped~~ I’m still very skeptical of idle and his bulletproofish claim. ( not what he claimed per se but the fact that it gives him a lovely bunch of cocoanuts to explain the lack of a NK)I don't understand this bit. Can you explain it. Are you implying the lack of a NK was due to him being targeted or him being blocked? or I was referring to having a great reason why he would not have be targeted for a NKill. If he is Scum they won’t touch him and if he isn’t – and they believe him- they will leave him alone. @ Bill I was pointing to future NKills (Is that clearer?)
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 29, 2012 10:46:25 GMT -5
I came in here this morning with the intention of voting for SisterC, but I must say these latest developments from Total have thrown me for a loop. If we believe Total, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are both scum and are getting more powerful. Or alternately, the kerosene spreader and the message sender are the same person and getting more powerful. My first inclination is to think that Total is lying, about the kerosene or the messages or both. Is it possible that Total is the evil twin? My message tried to implicate Total in the death of Astral. It doesn't make sense that a scummy messenger would try to make an evil twin look scummy. I just can't seem to make any sense of this. I guess anything is possible - some scenarios are just less likely than others. But if you go back and read my soft-claim and Inner's responds you will learn that I first claim to be able to confirm my "partner" as 100% Town. I then added that I had no way of knowing if this also the case the other way around. Inner then came back and confirmed I was Town. He turned out to be Town. So the only way I could be evil ATP in the game would be by recruting. Do you really find it likely that I would - after being recruited - post the PM trying to recruit me??? I am trying very hard not to take that as a insult to my intelligence I know my logic is sometimes less flawless than others. But I do not think of myself as stupid... Maybe that is just a prove to others how dumb I am. However I can't even begin to understand why that would change your mind regarding Sister Coyote Or maybe I should rephrase it to: If that changed your mind regarding Sister Coyote maybe you should vote as you see fit and leave the vote as a datapoint for later Days. I just went back to reread the claims from Night 1, and I don't necessarilty come to the same conclusion that you do. You had made your original claim in Post 61, but hadn't named your partner. After some discussion on the topic, you said this in Post 157: Just to clarify - I can't be 100% certain that my partner knows who I am. It can be presumed based on the colour of my Role. But I have no way of knowing for sure. However I know my partner and know it's a townie for certain. So I could be able to give town a confirmed player upon my death. That's why I wanted to share toNight. Because if I was NK'ed it would benefit Town if I shared the name toNight. I wanted to make this clear earlier but a funeral and being sick kept me from posting this sooner. For that I am sorry. Two posts later, Inner Stickler posts Just to clarify - I can't be 100% certain that my partner knows who I am. It can be presumed based on the colour of my Role. But I have no way of knowing for sure. He knows but is unsure why you decided this was the time to spill the beans. From the section of your post that he quotes, it seems to me that he is confirming that he knows your identity, but I don't see anything suggesting that he can confirm your alignment. I don't see where Inner ever confirms that you are Town. can you link to that post?
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 29, 2012 10:52:54 GMT -5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ charlie isn’t going anywhere, Unvote: charlie I’m still very skeptical of idle and his bulletproofish claim. ( not what he claimed per se but the fact that it gives him a lovely bunch of cocoanuts to explain the lack of a NK) The SisC bits have my attention . Vote: SisC The quiet ones – I’m sure- will bounce in later and rock boats @ sinjin seeing a vote count, you decide to vote for the first time toDay . Makes me feel better about my vote change How do you know Charlie isn't going anywhere? You can' get Charlie lynched so you'll throw out a vote and see where it sticks? Idle's claim explains a lack of a night kill? Are you seriously trying to suggest that one of the extra dead on N1 or N3 is from that person attacking Idle and Idle's power killing them? The dead on N1 were investigator, special and special - no killers. Texcat claimed to have killed MHaye. So neither of the dead could have attacked Idle for his claimed power to have killed them. Similarly, the dead on N3 were investigators and a vanilla - there is no way they could have attacked idle, so no way his claimed power could have been responsible for any of their deaths. I don't like Idle's claim either but your theory is full of holes, and your vote switch to SisC looks entirely opportunistic RE: charlie If he is still in the game tomorrow I can poke at him some more. I had reasoning behind my vote switch and voted where I felt scummier behavior. RE: my thoughts on Idle’s claim. I think I better explained what I meant ( see above), but can elaborate if you think I was still too vague. (seems you read the wrong side of me- again- it’s what we do apparently) [grin*] * I don’t much care for the happy smileys in game but wanted to let you know I was using a dash of humour
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Post by Nanook on Mar 29, 2012 11:03:58 GMT -5
I notice we're just a few hours from Dusk and no claim from Cookies. The last time this happened was....Ed on Day 1. We all remember how that turned out don't we? Since no one is interested in Charlie, I'll return to my first suspicion.
Unvote: Charlie Vote: Cookies
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Post by Sister Coyote on Mar 29, 2012 11:10:09 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, I'm still interested in Charlie. But at the moment, I find Cookies more suspicious, so I'm happy with my vote where it is.
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Post by LightFoot on Mar 29, 2012 12:05:32 GMT -5
Re: kerosene If Scum were sending smells they would know they sent it to player one (not Scum) so player two (Scum) would certainly not post they smelled anything. On the same Cycle As to Total’s earlier message Night 2( re: the failed recruitment) We all knew about the kerosene and that could have just been a stick in the spokes from a different source?? ( off to check the timing of the smell being identified as kerosene) Nope we didn't know what the smell was until Day 3 WAIT a Minute………………………… there is a time-line discrepancy This was posted Night Three You can't trust me or anyone else anymore. I can't be sure if this is "Scum", "PFK" or another mason-kind-of-town-thing. But we have to stop the semi-confirmed right now!! I got this and (year - you can't trust me on it) declined: And you say this was headed Night Two? Subject: Also... (Night Two) The “as before” bit doesn’t fit. And it’s supposed to have been sent before you claimed to have received the “recruitment” request? Or did you tell us when the first message was received? And you did not publicly reject the offer until Night 3
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 29, 2012 12:30:08 GMT -5
The reading on SBrown's device is now "-42." Did mine not change? I notice we're just a few hours from Dusk and no claim from Cookies. The last time this happened was....Ed on Day 1. We all remember how that turned out don't we? Since no one is interested in Charlie, I'll return to my first suspicion. But Sis Coyote hasn't claimed either, and she has the same amount of votes on her?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 12:37:25 GMT -5
The last time this happened was....Ed on Day 1. We all remember how that turned out don't we? Irrelevant circumstantial bullshit. Being scum is far from the only reason not to claim. Texcat and everyone else: You need to look at the content, context and timing of these alleged notes and you'll get a very big clue that they are manipulative lies that are best ignored. The first note that Texcat received bears the most solid evidence of this, once you tie in Inner Stickler's Townie Mason death.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 12:40:25 GMT -5
And once you tie in that Texcat claimed to kill Archergal, and no one countered that claim.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 12:44:58 GMT -5
Archergal=Archangel
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Post by Nanook on Mar 29, 2012 12:45:33 GMT -5
I notice we're just a few hours from Dusk and no claim from Cookies. The last time this happened was....Ed on Day 1. We all remember how that turned out don't we? Since no one is interested in Charlie, I'll return to my first suspicion. But Sis Coyote hasn't claimed either, and she has the same amount of votes on her? Interesting point. It's not impossible for both to be scum. And I note that Cookies is still failing to claim.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 29, 2012 12:48:03 GMT -5
Okay, wanted to put those initial questions out there quickly, go back and take a look at the rest of this. Hold, hold on. Texcat smelt kerosene this morning, too? How does that work? Did both of you get visited by the mad kerosener? That doesn't line up with previous knowledge of one person being visited unless maybe there was a redirector involved? Yeah, I definitely think the messenger is someone just trying to sow chaos. I don't think the messages have any sort of truth to them and are just there to mess with our heads. But what's weird is the messages usually have come at Dusk, not at Dawn, so that's another anomaly in our usual proceedings. What's weird is why this is labeled Night Two and not Night Three, which is when you said you received your first message, right? I'm lost as to it's functionality at this point. I don't know if you're being purposefully obfuscatory or not, but as far as I can tell the countdown is directly linked to unvotes. 4 more people unvoted between -46 and -42, so I'm pretty sure that's going to be how SBrOwn's device is activated. That being said, I'm much less suspicious of her being the bomber now if these bombs have any detrimental effects, simply for the fact that giving herself a bomb she can't control is very counter to a self-serving plan.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 12:57:16 GMT -5
I guess anything is possible - some scenarios are just less likely than others. But if you go back and read my soft-claim and Inner's responds you will learn that I first claim to be able to confirm my "partner" as 100% Town. I then added that I had no way of knowing if this also the case the other way around. Inner then came back and confirmed I was Town. He turned out to be Town. So the only way I could be evil ATP in the game would be by recruting. Do you really find it likely that I would - after being recruited - post the PM trying to recruit me??? I am trying very hard not to take that as a insult to my intelligence I know my logic is sometimes less flawless than others. But I do not think of myself as stupid... Maybe that is just a prove to others how dumb I am. However I can't even begin to understand why that would change your mind regarding Sister Coyote Or maybe I should rephrase it to: If that changed your mind regarding Sister Coyote maybe you should vote as you see fit and leave the vote as a datapoint for later Days. I just went back to reread the claims from Night 1, and I don't necessarilty come to the same conclusion that you do. You had made your original claim in Post 61, but hadn't named your partner. After some discussion on the topic, you said this in Post 157: Two posts later, Inner Stickler posts He knows but is unsure why you decided this was the time to spill the beans. From the section of your post that he quotes, it seems to me that he is confirming that he knows your identity, but I don't see anything suggesting that he can confirm your alignment. I don't see where Inner ever confirms that you are Town. can you link to that post?[/quote] Known Alignment/Dead People List/Claims [snipped] 8. Total Ullz - claimed mason buddies with IS [snipped] 31. Inner Stickler - claimed mason buddies with Total It very much is implied in this post IMO.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 13:01:33 GMT -5
Here you go Scummies. The Town apparently wants me to give this to you wrapped in a little red bow of collective fail, such collective fail that they're actually talking themselves into paranoid delusions that their one confirmed Townie is not confirmed. Bad Town. No Cookie.
Everyone who has said they have smelled kerosene when they smelled it has told the truth. Everyone who has said that they did not smell kerosene when they did not smell it has told the truth. I won't be sharing any further details about who I did or did not visit or when, aside from this clarification question asked by me and answered by Storyteller:
It is the one small farging thing the scum don't already know: Who did I remove my protection from in order to provide it to both Total and Texcat on the same Night?
Total, Total, Total…why it took you, the Towniest of Townies so long to show up toDay, particularly with the key bit of information that I had apparently been watched/tracked by the Note Writer or a cohort of his/hers while visiting you last Night, is a question I have yelled at the Mafia Gods quite loudly and full of expletives. You don't know how close I came to just claiming on my own much earlier toDay before you had a chance to post, so that your chance at being protected would be kept on the down-low. But I could never convince myself that you wouldn't just post immediately in the thread that you'd smelled kerosene, before reading my claim and realizing its implications and plea to keep that bit quiet. As you or I were apparently watched last Night, that was all moot.
The best laid plans of mice and pyromaniacs.
So, Hal's theory/conclusion about being visited by scum joy-riding in the batmobile caught my eye, as did Mahaloth's eager encouragement of that theory shortly thereafter, which quickly spread the little cloud of doubt to Nanook as well due to potential guilt by association. Hence not being willing to trust any of them as far as I can throw them, but only having perfect information to explain why. Nanook and Mahaloth have ping'd my confirmation bias meter all up, down, sideways, and backwards since then. Once I die, however it happens, you can all ride that same fun ride. Hal's been less pingy to me since his batmobile theory, and it is possible that he and the people who have been assuming that the kerosene was a mad bomber, may just be paranoid Townies.
Then there's Peeker with his little surprise clarification on his power that put a bit of a cloud over him as a protection choice too.
I'm happy to answer any questions as to why I picked who I did pick to visit while I'm alive, but at this point I'm just thrilled not to have wasted any on any of the dead, nor was I blocked so far. You've gotta celebrate the small victories when you can. I also sure as heck hope that there is still another sort of protective role in the game. Good luck to you, whoever you are.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 13:06:32 GMT -5
I think who ever is sending this is full of BS. But if you want to, I'm fine with asking the Mod about the "Night Two"-phrasing.
I posted them so it would be knowledge for Town to know when people start claiming Night Actions. So that we would know that someone acted this way this Night.
Now I fear it's turning into a distraction but I'll try and answer all questions. Only I have no more answers at this time. I got the PMs. I read them. As soon as I had the chance I posted them.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 13:12:12 GMT -5
Here you go Scummies. The Town apparently wants me to give this to you wrapped in a little red bow of collective fail, such collective fail that they're actually talking themselves into paranoid delusions that their one confirmed Townie is not confirmed. Bad Town. No Cookie. Everyone who has said they have smelled kerosene when they smelled it has told the truth. Everyone who has said that they did not smell kerosene when they did not smell it has told the truth. I won't be sharing any further details about who I did or did not visit or when, aside from this clarification question asked by me and answered by Storyteller: Correct. It is the one small farging thing the scum don't already know: Who did I remove my protection from in order to provide it to both Total and Texcat on the same Night? Total, Total, TotalÂ…why it took you, the Towniest of Townies so long to show up toDay, particularly with the key bit of information that I had apparently been watched/tracked by the Note Writer or a cohort of his/hers while visiting you last Night, is a question I have yelled at the Mafia Gods quite loudly and full of expletives. You don't know how close I came to just claiming on my own much earlier toDay before you had a chance to post, so that your chance at being protected would be kept on the down-low. But I could never convince myself that you wouldn't just post immediately in the thread that you'd smelled kerosene, before reading my claim and realizing its implications and plea to keep that bit quiet. As you or I were apparently watched last Night, that was all moot. The best laid plans of mice and pyromaniacs. So, Hal's theory/conclusion about being visited by scum joy-riding in the batmobile caught my eye, as did Mahaloth's eager encouragement of that theory shortly thereafter, which quickly spread the little cloud of doubt to Nanook as well due to potential guilt by association. Hence not being willing to trust any of them as far as I can throw them, but only having perfect information to explain why. Nanook and Mahaloth have ping'd my confirmation bias meter all up, down, sideways, and backwards since then. Once I die, however it happens, you can all ride that same fun ride. Hal's been less pingy to me since his batmobile theory, and it is possible that he and the people who have been assuming that the kerosene was a mad bomber, may just be paranoid Townies. Then there's Peeker with his little surprise clarification on his power that put a bit of a cloud over him as a protection choice too. I'm happy to answer any questions as to why I picked who I did pick to visit while I'm alive, but at this point I'm just thrilled not to have wasted any on any of the dead, nor was I blocked so far. You've gotta celebrate the small victories when you can. I also sure as heck hope that there is still another sort of protective role in the game. Good luck to you, whoever you are. [/quote] I am sorry. But someone IRL ripped my heart out and smashed it totally. I wasn't in a state to post public before now
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Post by Pollux Oil on Mar 29, 2012 13:15:30 GMT -5
I believe Cookies' claim. We've had an absence of town protective roles so far and the kerosene does line up with people she would possibly want to protect. I'm assuming at least one person is probably going to try and pin a mad bomber 3rd party on her instead of protective, but I personally am thinking the devices are the mad bomber and not the kerosene.
What jumps out at me from Cookies' PM is this particular line:
The 'nearly' part concerns me. That could mean a scum or 3rd-party has some sort of unblockable kill. But now that I think about it...maybe the nearly is referring to the Joker's powers. I.E. a wall of flame probably wouldn't protect people from the funny gun blowing them up.
It sucks that Cookies would have to detonate herself for the power to be effective. Basically a huge roulette now, do the scum try and kill her before she kills herself? Interesting.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 13:17:50 GMT -5
Aw, Total. No worries and I'm sorry to hear of your tender heart. Mafia isn't as fun when it isn't exciting.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Mar 29, 2012 13:26:23 GMT -5
The crappy part is that I'm not even sure that SisterC is scum at this point, the frustration level of having weaksauce votes lead to me having to claim is quite high. Sinjin's vote similarly twinged as could be mis-informed, paranoid town, could be scum. Nanook and Mahaloth, I've already explained why I'm dubious of them, but I'm assuming they will be the harder sell to convince people to lynch one of them to find out about the other.
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 13:27:51 GMT -5
Aw, Total. No worries and I'm sorry to hear of your tender heart. Mafia isn't as fun when it isn't exciting. Thanks. At least this time I have learned not to post in games feeling like that Also I very much think your claim shows that whoever is sending me weird stalker-messages is really up to no good. @ Texcat - do you think the same or?? (and everyone else feel free to answer that as well).
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Post by Total Ullz on Mar 29, 2012 13:32:19 GMT -5
The crappy part is that I'm not even sure that SisterC is scum at this point, the frustration level of having weaksauce votes lead to me having to claim is quite high. Sinjin's vote similarly twinged as could be mis-informed, paranoid town, could be scum. Nanook and Mahaloth, I've already explained why I'm dubious of them, but I'm assuming they will be the harder sell to convince people to lynch one of them to find out about the other. As the game moves on it will be tricky for "us" all to explain why Scum don't kill any "confirmed" townies. Since they (or someone) killed Inner I would assume that they can't keep everyone alive till EndGame. So at some point the tactic "Lynch To Learn" might be a good strategy for town. Not just in regards to Nanook/Maha but also in regards to others with claims unable to be proven.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 29, 2012 13:32:56 GMT -5
I did start reading toDay with the intent to re-vote Mekko. Some of you might say he's playing like he does when he is Town, but IMO I can't figure out why Town would play the way he does. And that's what it boils down to for me. That I can't see his actions as motivated to help Town hunt down Scum. You are working on the assumption that I am choosing to play the way I do. I just play. If I could play better, wouldn't I play better? Also, I'm pretty sure you are are basing ""I can't see his actions as motivated to help Town hunt down Scum"" AFTER the fact. I guess I can't fault you there. Which brings me up to this : Unvote PolluxVote Lost And it's not for the above, it's for my previous post. I think that you had scum motivations for being for the Role Claims as early as you were. You said something to the effect of "Everyone agrees that Town needs information" and that really, REALLY pings me. It seems to crafted to come from town. I see that Cookies has claimed, and IIRC it involves some of the devices. Doesn't really change the content of what Lost said per her pro claim stance, in and of itself.
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Post by Meeko on Mar 29, 2012 13:33:53 GMT -5
NETA : Ok That's embarasing. Unvote Lost
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