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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 15, 2012 7:46:41 GMT -5
@cias, I got the same feeling initially after the reveal, that the late "confirmation" of Inner Stickler means he may well be scum. Pleo changed his "investigation" pattern from "investigating" all newbie lurkers after he was called on it, and last Night Inner Stickler was on the short list of experienced players who might be scum. The WiFoM to this is that to scum numbers are even more critical than to town, and Inner Stickler hasn't posted at all in days that I can recall, so I would think if he were scum he would be likely to have been replaced? Well, these are the living replacements. 9. Special Ed Archangel 25. sharon wombat99 32. bec JustBeingGinger 33. adorasaurusrex Total Ulla 41. allyjayne Colby11 42. amyliz421 guiri 45. melissashort mistde 48. dottiebob Michelehunter 50. Roosh LadyRogue 51. Dyar Starrirain 56. annette Suits101 What odds will you give me that a couple of them are scum?
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 7:53:45 GMT -5
To clear things up -- I was being factitious in my "disappointment" with Meeko. I was jokingly saying that I was getting tired of his anti- Pleo stance, right up until I found out he was right. And yes, I investigated Pleo and got a result that he is (and I quote) "The scummiest scum that ever scummed around". And he would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for that meddling Meeko.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 8:02:25 GMT -5
Pleonast - 18 votes (Hal Briston, Pleonast, Starrirain, Suburban Plankton, wombat99, Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, crys, cathi, oldred, supermel, richardbeckman, cassipietz, gnarlycharle, amykb, Meeko, colby11, Silver Jan, LadyRogue) richardbeckman - 1 vote (Guiri) So you better believe I fear the lynch tonight, most of all. That being said, let me offer a few things. I'm not sure exactly, what to make of Guiri's vote. Wouldn't remaining scum, if we had any, blend into the vote of Pleonast?
Is there a precedent for acting with a scum claiming town detective? Half, if not more of me, wants to lynch a randomized ""confirmed"" pick from Pleonast. But I think that is overall too dicey. Would Pleonast have grown so bold as to confirm as town the remaining scum mates? Should it be treated as a "We will lynch one of his ""confimred"" and if they are scum, rinse lather repeat" or something else?
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 8:06:37 GMT -5
Hal FWIW I did have to read your investigation post of Pleonast [And Why I would never need Viagra] a few times to get it myself.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 15, 2012 8:24:02 GMT -5
To clear things up -- I was being factitious in my "disappointment" with Meeko. I was jokingly saying that I was getting tired of his anti- Pleo stance, right up until I found out he was right. And yes, I investigated Pleo and got a result that he is (and I quote) "The scummiest scum that ever scummed around". Thanks for the clarification Hal I read your post a number of times and just couldn't figure out who exactly you investigated!
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Post by cassipietz on Jun 15, 2012 8:24:52 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, is anyone else having problems accessing the boards? This may be a dumb questions because those having trouble may not be able to get here to answer but I figured I would ask because I am having MAJOR issues-it just now took me 18 minutes to get to this page to post this. Last night every time I tried to come to the boards it froze my laptop so badly that I had to do 2 forced shut downs...I would blame the laptop but it is new. The other issue that I am having is that when I try to access the boards and it starts to freeze I get a warning that my virus and malware has suddenly been shut off. My husband checked out the laptop last night and said that there are no viruses or spyware (he fixes computers for a living so I trust him) so he doesn't know what the problem was. This morning I set out to see if I could figure it out...visited all the sites that I was having trouble with last night (while mafia was open) and was able to access everything just fine until now when I pulled the boards up again. Long story short...until I am able to get here more easily I may not be able to participate as much...hoping things clear up and I am able to keep playing! vote end day early
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Post by supermel on Jun 15, 2012 8:33:48 GMT -5
I have not had issues accessing these boards- but have other games that are on fb.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 15, 2012 8:38:13 GMT -5
No problems here either.
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Post by guiri on Jun 15, 2012 8:50:55 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly, what to make of Guiri's vote. Wouldn't remaining scum, if we had any, blend into the vote of Pleonast? Oh, yes, you're right I'd better quickly Unvote richbeckmanand Vote Pleonastand Vote End of Day(I voted richbeckman before Hal shared his investigation result.)
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 15, 2012 8:50:59 GMT -5
Vote: End of Day
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 15, 2012 8:52:09 GMT -5
Okay what the heck am I doing wrong!
Vote: End of Day
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 15, 2012 9:02:59 GMT -5
I think with dizzymrslizzy - that's 15?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 15, 2012 9:05:00 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for acting with a scum claiming town detective? Well, there was the one game over on the SDMB, coincidentally enough entitled " SDMB Mafia", where this one scum player pulled a brilliant gambit, integrating himself into town as a detective and railroading townies into a crushing scum victory.
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Post by phoenixphyre on Jun 15, 2012 9:09:09 GMT -5
sure CatInASuit..be glad to. Mind you this is all way way after the fact and hindsight is mostly 20/20. I went back to see how some of the most pointed to people had voted. Pleonast claimed to be a detective, but looking back on his votes it seemed his votes were all over the place, he did not vote (skipped maybe) voting for endhoot, and I think the votes for texcat and Annem were necessary if he was going to keep up appearances. Otherwise how would he explain not voting for scum, when a pretty much confirmed detective pointed them out. I kind of compared them to some others to see if everyone is all over the place, and I found that mostly not to be the case. However, as I said, I was not sure how detectives worked, nor how doctors worked, and I thought perhaps a detective had to throw names out and deduce from responses who may be scum. It NEVER occurred to me that detectives could just ASK! So feeling not at all confident in my deductions I kept silent last night. Besides, if he was a detective, why was he not pointing out people like Hal. People said he was looking at lurkers, well ok, surely one lurker out there may be scum, but days past and no confirmed name came from him at all. All in all it just "felt" wrong. As for my votes, that is easy, simple cluelessness. The first few days I pretty much listened to the pack thinking "these folks have played before and have some idea how this all works, I will try follow them until I figure it out"...and as you can see I was not too successful. Then I went with what Hal said. Finally, for two days I simply had no clue who to vote for, so rather then vote for someone and maybe add to a mislynch I did not vote. Looking at your votes, I see you only voted for two of the alleged scum, so should I deduce from that that you are trying to avoid voting for scum when you can? Frankly I don't know, and that was how I felt about Pleonast...But you pick someone to vote for and that is that...you are not voting and changing and voting and changing, which is pretty much what I saw from Pleo. Does any of this hold water, I don't know that either, but it made sense (in retrospective 20/20) to me.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 9:57:19 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for acting with a scum claiming town detective? Well, there was the one game over on the SDMB, coincidentally enough entitled " SDMB Mafia", where this one scum player pulled a brilliant gambit, integrating himself into town as a detective and railroading townies into a crushing scum victory. Straight Up Hal, I just got out of the shower, and I was thinking "Would Hal and Pleonast go that far deep down with each other?"
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 9:58:51 GMT -5
sure CatInASuit..be glad to. Mind you this is all way way after the fact and hindsight is mostly 20/20. I went back to see how some of the most pointed to people had voted. Pleonast claimed to be a detective, but looking back on his votes it seemed his votes were all over the place, he did not vote (skipped maybe) voting for endhoot, and I think the votes for texcat and Annem were necessary if he was going to keep up appearances. Otherwise how would he explain not voting for scum, when a pretty much confirmed detective pointed them out. I kind of compared them to some others to see if everyone is all over the place, and I found that mostly not to be the case. However, as I said, I was not sure how detectives worked, nor how doctors worked, and I thought perhaps a detective had to throw names out and deduce from responses who may be scum. It NEVER occurred to me that detectives could just ASK! So feeling not at all confident in my deductions I kept silent last night. Besides, if he was a detective, why was he not pointing out people like Hal. People said he was looking at lurkers, well ok, surely one lurker out there may be scum, but days past and no confirmed name came from him at all. All in all it just "felt" wrong. As for my votes, that is easy, simple cluelessness. The first few days I pretty much listened to the pack thinking "these folks have played before and have some idea how this all works, I will try follow them until I figure it out"...and as you can see I was not too successful. Then I went with what Hal said. Finally, for two days I simply had no clue who to vote for, so rather then vote for someone and maybe add to a mislynch I did not vote. Looking at your votes, I see you only voted for two of the alleged scum, so should I deduce from that that you are trying to avoid voting for scum when you can? Frankly I don't know, and that was how I felt about Pleonast...But you pick someone to vote for and that is that...you are not voting and changing and voting and changing, which is pretty much what I saw from Pleo. Does any of this hold water, I don't know that either, but it made sense (in retrospective 20/20) to me. Wow. Not a Single Line Break. Not A Single One. Anti-Meeko?! Is that you?
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 15, 2012 10:02:37 GMT -5
Here's a couple of lovely WiFoM questions for all and sundry to ponder.
Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote for town players and not vote for another scum player?
Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote once a more experienced scum player has voted?
Answers on a postcard please.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 15, 2012 10:06:36 GMT -5
@cias, I got the same feeling initially after the reveal, that the late "confirmation" of Inner Stickler means he may well be scum. Pleo changed his "investigation" pattern from "investigating" all newbie lurkers after he was called on it, and last Night Inner Stickler was on the short list of experienced players who might be scum. The WiFoM to this is that to scum numbers are even more critical than to town, and Inner Stickler hasn't posted at all in days that I can recall, so I would think if he were scum he would be likely to have been replaced? Well, these are the living replacements. 9. Special Ed Archangel 25. sharon wombat99 32. bec JustBeingGinger 33. adorasaurusrex Total Ulla 41. allyjayne Colby11 42. amyliz421 guiri 45. melissashort mistde 48. dottiebob Michelehunter 50. Roosh LadyRogue 51. Dyar Starrirain 56. annette Suits101 What odds will you give me that a couple of them are scum? If you mean that literally, I suck at numbers (which is why I was happy when you showed up). But going through them as players: 9. I'm not scum (but I realize you have only my assurance on that, which means nothing to you) 41. Colby investigated town by Hal. 33. I've already noted my suspicion of Total Ullz. For wombat, michelehunter, LadyRogue, and whichever one was formerly francesca, I'm thinking it is more likely that they subbed back in as town than as scum, because otherwise their loyalties would be divided. I can't be sure of this because this game is desperate for subs and because some players wouldn't care. However, we have a precedent for this theory (Septimus, for example). So that leaves guiri (as a PFK he didn't have previous loyalty to either team), me, Total Ullz, and whoever else was an "original" sub rather than a raised-from-the-dead sub (I can't keep them straight at this point) as "suspicious" under this theory.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 15, 2012 10:08:49 GMT -5
]Straight Up Hal, I just got out of the shower, and I was thinking "Would Hal and Pleonast go that far deep down with each other?" Heh...well, in fairness, Pleo was not scum in that game. Funny thing -- I had no recollection of that game whatsoever. A week or so ago I read that game front to back having no idea at all how it was going to turn out.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 15, 2012 10:15:58 GMT -5
Here's a couple of lovely WiFoM questions for all and sundry to ponder. Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote for town players and not vote for another scum player? Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote once a more experienced scum player has voted? Answers on a postcard please. Not sure, but what we might see here -- what with all the new blood -- is a return of the "third vote" rule*. However, there haven't been too many days where it could come into play, since it only applies to mislynches. *A rule of thumb that states that the third person to place a vote in the lynch of a town player is likely to be scum. The first and second votes are less likely to be scum, since they'd stick out too much. Fourth and beyond could look like bandwagon votes. Third is a nice, safe place to hide. It sounds like it wouldn't bear out too often, but statistically it's held up a significant number of times -- or at least it did, until scum started getting wise to it and avoiding being the third vote. But new scum players would be unaware of this, and might be found there.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 15, 2012 10:17:52 GMT -5
I've just realised something.
When Idle Thoughts stated the roles, he just said there were a number of Detectives in the game. He didn't say which side they were on.
With the number of dead town power roles, anyone think the scum might have been getting a helpful snoop at Night on the town?
or is it just me?
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Post by supermel on Jun 15, 2012 10:24:14 GMT -5
I've just realised something. When Idle Thoughts stated the roles, he just said there were a number of Detectives in the game. He didn't say which side they were on. With the number of dead town power roles, anyone think the scum might have been getting a helpful snoop at Night on the town? or is it just me? But if they know who town is already, why would they need to snoop? Just to find power roles?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 15, 2012 10:28:00 GMT -5
Straight Up Hal, I just got out of the shower, and I was thinking "Would Hal and Pleonast go that far deep down with each other?" Well, thanks for that visual... Here's a couple of lovely WiFoM questions for all and sundry to ponder. Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote for town players and not vote for another scum player? Is an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player likely to only vote once a more experienced scum player has voted? Answers on a postcard please. Sorry, but I don't have $0.29 on me today... I think that an inexperienced, especially a first-time, scum player is likely to listen to the advice of his (more experienced) teammates and avoid doing anything that 'stands out' too much.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 15, 2012 10:34:39 GMT -5
But if they know who town is already, why would they need to snoop? Just to find power roles? " Just to find power roles" is still a helluva reason.
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Post by supermel on Jun 15, 2012 10:38:49 GMT -5
But if they know who town is already, why would they need to snoop? Just to find power roles? " Just to find power roles" is still a helluva reason. yes it is, i was clarifying what was meant to make sure i wasn't missing something obvious - i am still unclear on the special roles... scum seems to be very successful at finding out who is a power role- and it didn't occur to me that scum could also have a detective since they knew who town was... is it normal for a scum team to have a role like that?
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Post by Meeko on Jun 15, 2012 10:45:09 GMT -5
Answers on a postcard please. Not a "Bumper Sticker" ? Not a "Tweet" ?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 15, 2012 10:46:06 GMT -5
is it normal for a scum team to have a role like that? Heh...define "normal". Simply put, some games do, some games don't. In a game like this -- which is supposed to be newbie-centric -- I really wouldn't expect that to be the case. However, I'd love to find out that scum have a detective. That would mean two very important things: 1) There would be fewer players on the scum team. After all, part of the game setup is finding a balance between players and powers. If scum are going to have extra powers, that must be tempered by there being fewer of them to have those powers. 2) There's an excellent chance the scum detective will be swinging very shortly. After all, it's always easier for scum to play as "honestly" as possible so as not to be caught in a lie. So if scum were going to have one of their number make a detective claim, they very likely might have their actual detective be the one to do so.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 15, 2012 11:30:14 GMT -5
I was thinking that Pleo could have been a scum detective but, then again wouldn't Idle have told us that?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 15, 2012 11:59:03 GMT -5
Answers on a postcard please. Not a "Bumper Sticker" ? Not a "Tweet" ? he said a postcard meeks, don't upset him too!
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 15, 2012 11:59:43 GMT -5
NETA, do upset him, you might find anther scum.
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