Meeko
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Post by Meeko on Oct 25, 2012 9:14:42 GMT -5
Clarification:
The PM I took that from was after I was asking about recruitment. It's not from my Role PM.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 25, 2012 9:35:08 GMT -5
So meeko and laurieRN are both claiming that they are strong enough to refuse recruitment without ill effect. Do I believe the coincidence?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 25, 2012 9:52:46 GMT -5
So meeko and laurieRN are both claiming that they are strong enough to refuse recruitment without ill effect. Do I believe the coincidence? This is the PM I received given my recruitment attempt. IIRC, laurieRN also stated she was taken by surprise to get a PM at Dusk. The PM she provided reminded me of my own, so much so, that I didn't read all of it, as I knew what it was, given the ..... obtuse language of it. I provide mine below:
Beyond that, I'm not sure what else I can say. In general, what does "Coincidence" look like in a Gastard game, though? I don't know that anything can be "coincidence" in a normal game, and I would think that "coicidence" should probably be the norm in a gastard game. There is a Quote from the indie film "Pi" here*, but I digress. [But go and see Pi and Requiem for a Dream. NOW.] *The title is actually the Pi symbol, and not Pi the word.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 25, 2012 9:59:19 GMT -5
Bad news folks. Only four town alive. If ginger is town. And mason 2 is town. And inner is town. And Colby is town. And dizzy is town. Wait that's one too many. Someone is lying. Holy Shit! I was not expecting that......at all..... Nor was I expecting this: Obviously, I removed Town's wincon. I don't think anyone else needs to know what it is. And I owe Colby an apology - Sorry so did Laurie say if she accepted or not? if she did, it would seem it was after Red gave a Town headcount. so only one is lying and not two, right?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 25, 2012 10:08:17 GMT -5
I do believe that laurieRN will become town at Dawn of Day 6 while Red's count would be from Dusk of Day 5 (or Night 5, whichever perspective you prefer.)
I say coincidence only because it strikes me as natural that the majority of recruitable players would be forced to choose between recruitment and death and only a few will be strong enough to withstand the choice otherwise I wouldn't expect Colby's PM to specify that they will die if they don't choose to be recruited. Saying so implies that the general reaction to a refusal of recruitment is death. So the coincidence is how likely is it that two of his targets have this strength?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 25, 2012 11:18:03 GMT -5
I do believe that laurieRN will become town at Dawn of Day 6 while Red's count would be from Dusk of Day 5 (or Night 5, whichever perspective you prefer.) I say coincidence only because it strikes me as natural that the majority of recruitable players would be forced to choose between recruitment and death and only a few will be strong enough to withstand the choice otherwise I wouldn't expect Colby's PM to specify that they will die if they don't choose to be recruited. Saying so implies that the general reaction to a refusal of recruitment is death. So the coincidence is how likely is it that two of his targets have this strength? I had to wade back a few steps to find this gem : I have REMOVED the idea of multiple designations. There still can be recruitment, but designation and alignment investigations will only return the target's CURRENT alignment and designation, not what it could become or was before. *NOTE: All recruiting/changing alignment will be strictly voluntary and a choice. Nobody can change alignment unless they actively want to and agree to it. All recruiting/changing alignment will be strictly voluntary and a choice. Nobody can change alignment unless they actively want to and agree to it.Colby, Inner, can both of you please speak to how and why you got this wrong?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 25, 2012 11:27:30 GMT -5
Explain what you think is wrong. A choice between alignment change and death is still a choice.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 25, 2012 11:36:39 GMT -5
Just want to revisit this quickly: She dodged a lynch without being named a scotsman which intimates to me that she's not lying about being unlynchable. Yes, I'm assuming that she's not some sort of silent scum scotsman who doesn't get a reveal upon using their lynch avoidance. Yes, this assumption may bite me in the butt but if we lose the game because JBG was an unlynchable scum, then I'm not going to feel bad and I'm going to give Pollux the stinkeye. Except, I think I need to point out, we don't know that JBG is unlynchable. We know that exactly once, an attempt to lynch her failed. There have been, in our collective history, multiple powers that have allowed Scum (or Town, or Third Party) to survive a single lynch. She has thus far not demonstrated that her claimed power does what she says it does. I'm not comfortable extrapolating from one instance where a player survived a lynch to the assumption that the player is generally "unlynchable," especially if peeker is also essentially unlynchable (two entirely unlynchable players in a single game, while not impossible, seems... inelegant? Somehow). And if JBG is not across-the-board unlynchable, but rather either had the ability to survive a single lynch or did so due to outside intervention of some king, then it seems to me that the general consensus that she is surely non-hostile is problematic. The information seems true, based on what we've seen of the game. I'm just not sure I can see a reason why his information being true would be equivalent to his alignment being non-hostile to Town.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 25, 2012 11:47:47 GMT -5
But peeker isn't unlynchable. He's dead for some amount of game time before he returns; if we kill him now, he's trusting that the game will go another full day/night cycle before he'll come back.
If I understand his posted PM correctly.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 25, 2012 11:53:54 GMT -5
Yeah, it doesn't appear that peeker is not unlynchable. He just won't stay dead. Maybe I shouldn't be looking at the color but the dusk post from whatever day we tried to lynch JBG seems to back up her story.
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Post by lauriern on Oct 25, 2012 12:09:22 GMT -5
So meeko and laurieRN are both claiming that they are strong enough to refuse recruitment without ill effect. Do I believe the coincidence? There may be a very good reason for that........
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Post by lauriern on Oct 25, 2012 12:15:15 GMT -5
Bolding mine: I do believe that laurieRN will become town at Dawn of Day 6 while Red's count would be from Dusk of Day 5 (or Night 5, whichever perspective you prefer.) I say coincidence only because it strikes me as natural that the majority of recruitable players would be forced to choose between recruitment and death and only a few will be strong enough to withstand the choice otherwise I wouldn't expect Colby's PM to specify that they will die if they don't choose to be recruited. Saying so implies that the general reaction to a refusal of recruitment is death. So the coincidence is how likely is it that two of his targets have this strength? There may be a reason for that..... (bolded above) This is a Gastard game and not a whole lot has made sense to me. I feel as though all (or at least the ones we've seen) our role PMs are set up to include a WIFOM factor.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 25, 2012 13:05:33 GMT -5
Well, it is beyond my powers of comprehension so unless you want to clarify, we'll have to just let it stand for now.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 25, 2012 13:17:03 GMT -5
Night over. Day up soon-ish.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 25, 2012 20:02:00 GMT -5
So correct me If I'm wrong:
The lynch was between dizzylizzy for being third on the match on Peeks night one according to Meeko who refused to be recruited to town since he thinks town is going to loose and pizza who overbid on the merc even though the day before he said no one but him should bid on the merc and if they did we should lynch them immediately but then JBG rode to the rescue and said no wait I will save you pizza and then a bunch of folks said good deal we get to test JBG's claim, but then oh noes JBG was DAY blocked and pizza ended up dead and town and mason and SisCoyote claimed pizza mason pal.
Sorry for the lack of punctuation, I just heard all that in my head in the form of a soap opera intro. Think Days of Our Lives.
Is that about the size of it? Has anyone else been day blocked?
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