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Post by peekercpa on Nov 2, 2012 8:28:27 GMT -5
way to go charles. i still wonder how story knew that the merc was a person not a role. because my pm (at least the way i read it) sure seemed to indicate it was a power. but then againi after reading the tribune i still think dewey was a president. go figure.
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 2, 2012 8:31:27 GMT -5
neta: and of course, huey was the vp and louie was the speaker of the house.
sorry, couldn't resist. plus i have to play my role out as sucky as it is.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 8:59:00 GMT -5
what say you, Inner? btw, Suburban is scum. i investigated him last Night. i usually would reveal this towards EOD but we're at the endgame and Town has the numbers. I definitely want Crys dead before we scrub all the scum and possibly Meeko as well. I don't want any possible winstealers around when the town wincon activates.
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Post by crys on Nov 2, 2012 9:17:51 GMT -5
what say you, Inner? btw, Suburban is scum. i investigated him last Night. i usually would reveal this towards EOD but we're at the endgame and Town has the numbers. I definitely want Crys dead before we scrub all the scum and possibly Meeko as well. I don't want any possible winstealers around when the town wincon activates. Whatever I am so sick of this. I was honest with everyone all those non hostiles that won didn't steal towns win. I AM NONHOSTILE!!!!! Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 2, 2012 9:23:55 GMT -5
what say you, Inner? btw, Suburban is scum. i investigated him last Night. i usually would reveal this towards EOD but we're at the endgame and Town has the numbers. I definitely want Crys dead before we scrub all the scum and possibly Meeko as well. I don't want any possible winstealers around when the town wincon activates. well, that's your call. crys will just have to hope that SisC chooses to scan her and find she is being truthful. Vote: Suburban Plankton
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 9:54:17 GMT -5
Hi guys, what's up? You've certainly been a talkative bunch in the last 20 hours or so...anyway, down to business. First of all, you got the wrong guy. So there you go. By the way, I killed Bill. I meant to, but it was apparently a case of mistaken identity. I had investigated him on Night 3 and was told that I had found my target...unfortunately it appears that I was redirected to Cookies that Night, so when I used my kill on Bill the next Night, it didn't exactly have the effect I was looking for. And now that Cookies has 'ascended', I can't win in any case. You all seem to be putting a lot of faith in the numbers that were given out be Red Skeezix. I don't think that's wise, considering that he had his own agenda. I think that peeker really ought to be lynched for his bizarre voting habits, but since that's exactly why he's engaging in such bizarre voting habits Today, we should punish him my keeping him alive. I don't know what gnarlycharlie's game is; he's either lying or mistaken. I think laruiern is full of it. The only people all over my ass right now are 2 non-Towns And yet you aren't voting for either of them. The only piece of evidence that any of you have against me (prior to gnarly's 'investigation') seems to be this: <font style="font-size: 12px;">SisC- why Suburban Plankton over Lightfoot? You mean other than the fact that I've been trying to make him dead because I thought he was Scum since Day Three or so? No particular reason. SisC has been saying I'm Scum for about 4 or 5 Days now, for no real reason that she's cared to articulate. And the rest of you have pretty much ignored her. But Today you've all decided that it's easier just to "go with it" than to do any actual investigation. Hey, who can blame you for voting for the guy that the Mason has been voting for all game long? It's lazy, and Town doesn't win by being lazy. I guess it's no skin off my nose at this point, because I've already lost, but you're not making things any easier on yourselves... I'm absolutely certain that there's Scum among the last group of people to vote for me, just 'tagging along for the ride'. That's lauriern, LightFoot, Colby11, peekercpa , and gnarlycharlie. Other than Colby (and peeker, but for his owwn unique reasons), that's a whole bunch of people that I still have on my list of suspects. vote lauriern
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 9:58:50 GMT -5
heh heh. i have a bridge in brooklyn and some prime waterfront property on the swamp to offer as well. really, peeker, this isn't saying a lot. Most of New York City is waterfront swampland right now...
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 10:07:05 GMT -5
If you flip your claim then tomorrow we lynch charlie. Easy peasy.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 10:19:22 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px; ">way to go charles. i still wonder how story knew that the merc was a person not a role. because my pm (at least the way i read it) sure seemed to indicate it was a power. but then againi after reading the tribune i still think dewey was a president. go figure. Same way I did, I suspect -- he somehow investigated and/or saw. Burby, I gave my reasons for thinking you were Scum. You've been aggressively undermining all the information provided (by both Pizza and I in particular, but other people as well) this entire game. Suspicion is one thing and lord knows I have my own healthy dose of paranoia, but there's being suspicious and then there's actively trying to cast doubt and actively casting aspersions which you have done this entire game. Investigating crys will do no good based on her claim: if she's out and about, she's going to show as hostile. If she's not flat hostile anyway. Polluxo, I know the odds of getting an answer to this are slim to none, but would a Day investigation be affected by Night actions?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 10:19:28 GMT -5
If you flip your claim then tomorrow we lynch charlie. Easy peasy. Maybe, maybe not. It's clear that there is redirection in this game. Now, it's possible that peeker is a Nexus of sorts despite his claim, and it's possible that I was redirected to Cookies due to her Lightning Rod ability. But it's also quite possible that there is another 'standard' Redirector who's simply messing with things. I wouldn't be so certain that things are as cut-and-dried as they seem.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 10:24:25 GMT -5
I think that's fairly unlikely at this point, Burby. You've made that argument all along, but have we actually seen any redirection other than Night one and the one you're claiming?
I don't buy it.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 10:24:59 GMT -5
Redirectors can't affect lynches and when I was redirected, I got a message to that effect. I see no reason to believe that there exists a redirector who results in a message and a redirector who does not. Therefore, I assume that if gnarlycharlie or Sister C were redirected to another player, they would have the wherewithal to realize that their result is actually for their redirected target.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 10:26:59 GMT -5
Burby, I gave my reasons for thinking you were Scum. You've been aggressively undermining all the information provided (by both Pizza and I in particular, but other people as well) this entire game. Suspicion is one thing and lord knows I have my own healthy dose of paranoia, but there's being suspicious and then there's actively trying to cast doubt and actively casting aspersions which you have done this entire game. Can you give me an example of this "aggressive undermining"? Yes, I've certainly questioned a lot of things, and in some cases "aggressively"...but I don't see the problem with that. If the information being provided is true, then it will stand up to aggressive questioning. If the information is false, then it will often fail to stand up. And if the information is being presented faithfully, but is not actually backed up by hard evidence, that will usually become apparent as well. And it's that last class of information that's often the most damaging. Just because a 'Confirmed Townie' says "X is True'' does not mean that X is necessarily True, if the method by which the information was gathered is not 100% reliable. And we've had plenty of cases in this game where things have turned out to be not what they seem. When you can't trust that "really really, really certainly dead" means "Dead", you tend to want to make extra-specially certain you know how trustworthy all of your information is.
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Post by crys on Nov 2, 2012 10:35:15 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px; ">way to go charles. i still wonder how story knew that the merc was a person not a role. because my pm (at least the way i read it) sure seemed to indicate it was a power. but then againi after reading the tribune i still think dewey was a president. go figure. Same way I did, I suspect -- he somehow investigated and/or saw. Burby, I gave my reasons for thinking you were Scum. You've been aggressively undermining all the information provided (by both Pizza and I in particular, but other people as well) this entire game. Suspicion is one thing and lord knows I have my own healthy dose of paranoia, but there's being suspicious and then there's actively trying to cast doubt and actively casting aspersions which you have done this entire game. Investigating crys will do no good based on her claim: if she's out and about, she's going to show as hostile. If she's not flat hostile anyway. Polluxo, I know the odds of getting an answer to this are slim to none, but would a Day investigation be affected by Night actions?Truth is I am beyond caring about the game at this point. My father had a heart attack early last week and I have a ton of crap going on. Since I have pretty much sealed the fate of this role by biting inner go ahead and lynch my ass I will even give you the info to do so. If you decide to lynch me more than one half of you need to vote for me or the lynch will fail due to my scotsman ability the only other item removed from my role pm. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 10:35:49 GMT -5
Your insistence that there must be a redirector. Your entire Night Four (I think it was) interaction with Pizza.
What cases, other than peeker have we had where things were not what they seemed that haven't been explained by other in-game mechanics?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 10:36:21 GMT -5
crys, I'm sorry to hear about your father.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 10:49:14 GMT -5
As am I. May good health and healing find its way to your family.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 10:53:19 GMT -5
Your insistence that there must be a redirector. Your entire Night Four (I think it was) interaction with Pizza. My insistence that there must be a redirector has nothing to to with any supposed "aggressive undermining", so it's irrelevant to the question. My interaction with Pizza is relevant. And you could certainly describe it as aggressive. Pizza was throwing out a bunch of information, some of which he seemed to be presenting as 'fact' and some of which seemed to be 'conjecture'. He refused to clarify which was which and he refused to give supporting evidence to back up his claims. He first claimed that he had uncovered the information himself, then claimed that it was his 'secret partner' that had done the bulk of it, then later admitted that it was really all his partner's work. I treated his information the same way I always treat Pizza's information; with a very skeptical eye. I can't name any, other than the one that affected me, but it seems you're not willing to take my word on that But absence of evidence does not imply evidence of absence. Redirections are frequently not apparent, depending on the nature of the action being redirected.
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Post by sinjin on Nov 2, 2012 10:54:48 GMT -5
unvote
Vote Suburban Plankton
If he turns up anything but scum we can deal with gnarly tomorrow. However that seems like a long shot. A one for one trade seems like an insane scum move at this point.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2012 14:58:04 GMT -5
Crys
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. Here is to hoping and praying that good health returns to your Father.
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Post by lauriern on Nov 2, 2012 15:06:56 GMT -5
Truth is I am beyond caring about the game at this point. My father had a heart attack early last week and I have a ton of crap going on. Since I have pretty much sealed the fate of this role by biting inner go ahead and lynch my ass I will even give you the info to do so. If you decide to lynch me more than one half of you need to vote for me or the lynch will fail due to my scotsman ability the only other item removed from my role pm. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards So sorry, Crys I hope he recovers well and quickly! <3
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 15:53:34 GMT -5
Burby -
You honestly can't come up with a reason Pizza might have wanted to HIDE the fact that he HAD a partner? He was trying to protect me (and being Pizza). And not all the information was mine; some of it was his.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 16:06:01 GMT -5
I forget, who all did ATPG say he tagged?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 2, 2012 16:22:26 GMT -5
Burby - You honestly can't come up with a reason Pizza might have wanted to HIDE the fact that he HAD a partner? He was trying to protect me (and being Pizza). And not all the information was mine; some of it was his. You hit the nail right on the head there. He was being Pizza. I understand that Town players often have reasons to withhold information (e.g. the existence of Mason partners). I didn't have a problem with that. What I had a problem with was the fact that, in true Pizzaguy form, he was presenting a combination of "things that Pizza knows to be true" and "things that Pizza thinks are true, but has no evidence for", but doing so in a manner that implied that all of the information fall in the first category, and none in the second. The problem was that it was obvious that some of the things he was telling us were things that he could not possibly have known based on his claimed powers. So either he was presenting "conjecture" as "fact", or there was another source of the information he was feeding us. I just wanted to know which it was. Yes, I did have my suspicions of Pizza; I did not fully trust that he was Town. The fact that he actually was Town does not automatically mean that all suspicion of him was unwarranted, only that it was ultimately misplaced. I had good reasons to suspect him at the time; it was only after subsequent events that it became clear those suspicions were wrong.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 16:47:55 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px; ">I forget, who all did ATPG say he tagged? Give me a couple of minutes.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 2, 2012 16:51:57 GMT -5
Before the Game Began: Yours Truly Night One: KidV Night Two: Stated Target -- JBG. But he was blocked Night Three: JBG again Night Four: Burby -- But (almost everyone) was blocked Nights Five and Six: dead.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 2, 2012 17:04:15 GMT -5
Mmm. So it wouldn't be very helpful in clearing away the third party deadwood. Ok, thanks.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 2, 2012 17:25:18 GMT -5
I can confirm that he tagged me, I pee'd blue
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Post by peekercpa on Nov 2, 2012 21:00:10 GMT -5
I can confirm that he tagged me, I pee'd blue i just peed bright orange. but i think it was the multi vitamin i took earlier.
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Post by crys on Nov 2, 2012 22:30:40 GMT -5
I can confirm that he tagged me, I pee'd blue i just peed bright orange. but i think it was the multi vitamin i took earlier. Ok peeker WTMFI!! [oog] Thanks for the well wishes to my dad everyone. I am sure he will eventually be fine, but since one side of his heart was at 100% blocked and the other was 99% blocked they put a stent in one side immediately and he won't get the other for another 7 to 10 days. However he isn't the problem really that just means I have to deal with my evil stepmother and we don't get along at all that adds even more stress to me. Let's just say these days I frustrate easily[oog]
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