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Day Two
Dec 6, 2012 10:10:43 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 6, 2012 10:10:43 GMT -5
Unvote PeekerVote Hockey Monkey!In addition to yesterDay's case, check out her contributions toDay: Ok, to prove I'm not a killa - Vote guiri And: WTH? You asked people to vote you to prove they still had a vote. I'm studying for finals this week, but read when I take a little break. This was something I could do quickly without having to take a lot of time to post. I'm really disgusted by this vote, so for now I'm gonna leave mine where it is.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 6, 2012 10:28:52 GMT -5
So peeker how do you know that no one on your team targeted the NK'd people but you don't know their roles and if they are masons or not? I am assuming that you have off board communications since you know that none of them did the night kills.
vote guiri
Doing this from my phone do lord knows if this is going to work.
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Dec 6, 2012 11:20:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 11:20:30 GMT -5
where did i say that jbg? i know who is on our team. we have the ability to talk during the Night. i know that neither of the two dead were targeted in any way by our team if we even have any targeting abilities.
and as i already stated i am cg. maybe we need to move away from the mason thing. but if i had said maha and other(s) were cg that just raises hackles. but really aren't masons just a subset of town. they just happen to know each other. we are a subset of town who know each other. certainly in this setup we could win with ce but that is not the direction i have taken.
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Dec 6, 2012 12:25:46 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Dec 6, 2012 12:25:46 GMT -5
i'm trying to understand guiri's vote for Hockey Monkey after that experiment. that seemed out of the blue. So peeker how do you know that no one on your team targeted the NK'd people but you don't know their roles and if they are masons or not? I am assuming that you have off board communications since you know that none of them did the night kills. vote guiriDoing this from my phone do lord knows if this is going to work. you're addressing peeker but voting for guiri. did i miss something? are you voting for him because you think he's scum, CG or LE? or are you voting becuase of his experiment? i believe the experiment is over.
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Dec 6, 2012 12:33:38 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 6, 2012 12:33:38 GMT -5
vote pizzareally his ability to characterize one strategy as "buzzkill" while thinking that a similar strategy (his) is like uber the best is really too dichotomous even for me. It's similar to games where people all have night actions and then one proven townie orders everyone, literally everyone to send in the same action that all appears in the writeup, completely stymieing the ability of the mafia to do absolutely anything else except comply or get caught, and stopping even a single townie from having any fun. It basically becomes a game of "I am townie and by that fact alone, I will stop the game cold and dead right now and prove that I can brute force solve it." And everyone sighs, complies like a good teammate, and yawns the rest of the way through the game. I don't like asking everyone to vote a certain way and solve this game by brute force. It's against the spirit of a guessing game. I'll never cooperate with such a strategy regardless of alignment. Die for suggesting it.
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Dec 6, 2012 12:42:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 12:42:53 GMT -5
well pizza t'was not i that suggested the voting thing other than me and maha voting each other. and yes i did want to semi confirm us. i am not sure how that is a bad thing. so if you have a problem with folks trying to confirm each other that's otay. i would assume following this logic that a detective sharing their results would also be "buzzkill", right?
and if you feel like i am stymieing the mafia then i don't know what to say other than thank you.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 6, 2012 12:44:45 GMT -5
where did i say that jbg? i know who is on our team. we have the ability to talk during the Night. i know that neither of the two dead were targeted in any way by our team if we even have any targeting abilities. and as i already stated i am cg. maybe we need to move away from the mason thing. but if i had said maha and other(s) were cg that just raises hackles. but really aren't masons just a subset of town. they just happen to know each other. we are a subset of town who know each other. certainly in this setup we could win with ce but that is not the direction i have taken. . Sorry, I think i misunderstood when you said that you are a subset if good. To me CG is not a subset if good, we can win together but not necessarily a subset. I can see where one would think that though if you are working towards the town wincon. You also said that you knew of one other mason but not all good, my confusion. Which makes sense there is another mason cause there were 3 in the last game
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 6, 2012 12:46:03 GMT -5
And most of my if's in my last post are supposed to be of's. letters are too close together on iPhone, nails get in way.
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Dec 6, 2012 13:02:22 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 13:02:22 GMT -5
where did i say that jbg? i know who is on our team. we have the ability to talk during the Night. i know that neither of the two dead were targeted in any way by our team if we even have any targeting abilities. and as i already stated i am cg. maybe we need to move away from the mason thing. but if i had said maha and other(s) were cg that just raises hackles. but really aren't masons just a subset of town. they just happen to know each other. we are a subset of town who know each other. certainly in this setup we could win with ce but that is not the direction i have taken. . Sorry, I think i misunderstood when you said that you are a subset if good. To me CG is not a subset if good, we can win together but not necessarily a subset. I can see where one would think that though if you are working towards the town wincon. You also said that you knew of one other mason but not all good, my confusion. Which makes sense there is another mason cause there were 3 in the last game and certainly i see your point. but if cg decides to align itself with good then that is for all intents and purposes a masonry. i doubt like hell that lg have a board where all members are known. shit, the damn thing is broken from get go. all "masons" are good, at least with our crowd. there is at least one more "mason" which is why i extended the olive branch. truly it was not a hostage taking situation and if it came across that way i ask forgiveness. was offered up in the holiday spirit is all.
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Dec 6, 2012 13:05:51 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 13:05:51 GMT -5
neta: but yes we are a subset of good. we are not of the e type. we know each other and we are good aligned. how would you define a masonry if not a subset of a larger group both working for a common goal?
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Dec 6, 2012 14:07:07 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 6, 2012 14:07:07 GMT -5
well pizza t'was not i that suggested the voting thing other than me and maha voting each other. and yes i did want to semi confirm us. i am not sure how that is a bad thing. so if you have a problem with folks trying to confirm each other that's otay. i would assume following this logic that a detective sharing their results would also be "buzzkill", right? and if you feel like i am stymieing the mafia then i don't know what to say other than thank you. I am saying there is such a thing as game-breaking and I won't do it.
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Day Two
Dec 6, 2012 14:44:07 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 6, 2012 14:44:07 GMT -5
keep in mind there is a hammer mechanism in this game the threashold is 7 votes this Day For those participating in guiri’s experiment I wager you don’t all ‘really’ want to lynch him ( or why would you have co-operated) And I would like to think that’s not the only thing you want to do this Day Its’ a little early to start the count down
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Dec 6, 2012 14:45:10 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 14:45:10 GMT -5
ok, pizza. i am an accountant. i am paid to figure stuff out and make things work. and i am sure that bleeds into my personal life (i like doing sudoku - problem is that even the five stars take only about ten minutes to figure out) and it certainly bleeds into my mafia life.
so is your suggestion along the lines that we don't try to figure out who could be aligned against or for a faction? do we just random vote with no discussion and any attempt at discovery? should we just reamain silent and hope that the coin turns our way?
and this is no bs. i'd really like your thoughts. i play this game my way. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. if you want me to cease playing to increase your pleasure i certainly don't have a problem with it. i like the folks on this board (including you) and if my play style is so disturbing then i don't want to get in the way of other folks having fun.
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Day Two
Dec 6, 2012 14:49:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 14:49:30 GMT -5
neta: but please don't start telling the mare to foal goats. i can't go there.
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Day Two
Dec 6, 2012 15:01:29 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 6, 2012 15:01:29 GMT -5
I have yet to see anything that changes My opinion of Drain Bead from yesterday Add the post from ToDay for completeness So that no vote means Maha and Peek are on the same good team so now I need to find a new place to put my vote Bye astralrejection and meeko (hey meeko I didn't even have a chance to vote for you this game LOL) - have fun with the spoilers Do we have evidence, other than their claims, that Maha and Peek are CG? Is it possible that LE can't vote for one another either? I'd imagine CE is allowed to vote for one another, as bussing is a legitimate Scum strategy, but if one 3rd party team can't vote for one another, I'd expect a similar rule for the other one. I'd lean toward Peek and Maha both being CG, if only because I don't really see the end of yesterDay playing out the way it did if this was a gambit to save two LEs, but I wasn't sure if we were certain that they're telling the truth, or if this was just an assumption on your part. Vote: Drain Bead
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Day Two
Dec 6, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 6, 2012 15:04:37 GMT -5
WTH? You asked people to vote you to prove they still had a vote. I'm studying for finals this week, but read when I take a little break. This was something I could do quickly without having to take a lot of time to post. I'm really disgusted by this vote, so for now I'm gonna leave mine where it is. I'm not voting you because you voted me, I voted for you yesterDay and I continue to find you suspicious. Your vote toDay just means that you've been following along and have avoided making any contribution to the discussion. I don't like asking everyone to vote a certain way and solve this game by brute force. It's against the spirit of a guessing game. I'll never cooperate with such a strategy regardless of alignment. Die for suggesting it. I am saying there is such a thing as game-breaking and I won't do it. Yeah, the whole "let's out the third party killers" was my idea, not Peeker's. I'm somewhat taken aback at your reaction here, I've seen you take control of a game and order people around, you even mention how much fun it was in your "Greetings from Askthepizzaguy" thread. Sure, you say you now find it boring and prefer the guessing game but your current stance is a pretty big departure. I realise how much pain the remaining LE must be feeling, they lost Suburban due to inactivity, Astral apparently due to a cross-kill, their remorseful killer, assuming there is one, is possibly now voteless and forced to lurk/hide to avoid being outed, and there's an apparent acceptation of the CG team as a quasi town masonry. I can see LE showing signs of frustration.
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Dec 6, 2012 15:10:32 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 15:10:32 GMT -5
WTH? You asked people to vote you to prove they still had a vote. I'm studying for finals this week, but read when I take a little break. This was something I could do quickly without having to take a lot of time to post. I'm really disgusted by this vote, so for now I'm gonna leave mine where it is. I'm not voting you because you voted me, I voted for you yesterDay and I continue to find you suspicious. Your vote toDay just means that you've been following along and have avoided making any contribution to the discussion. I am saying there is such a thing as game-breaking and I won't do it. Yeah, the whole "let's out the third party killers" was my idea, not Peeker's. I'm somewhat taken aback at your reaction here, I've seen you take control of a game and order people around, you even mention how much fun it was in your "Greetings from Askthepizzaguy" thread. Sure, you say you now find it boring and prefer the guessing game but your current stance is a pretty big departure. I realise how much pain the remaining LE must be feeling, they lost Suburban due to inactivity, Astral apparently due to a cross-kill, their remorseful killer, assuming there is one, is possibly now voteless and forced to lurk/hide to avoid being outed, and there's an apparent acceptation of the CG team as a quasi town masonry. I can see LE showing signs of frustration. ding ding ding we have a winner. how come other folks say what i think better than i can say.
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Dec 6, 2012 15:20:53 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Dec 6, 2012 15:20:53 GMT -5
how come other folks say what i think better than i can say. Ooh ooh, can I guess? I have a guess, pick me!
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Dec 6, 2012 15:31:30 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 15:31:30 GMT -5
how come other folks say what i think better than i can say. Ooh ooh, can I guess? I have a guess, pick me! no fucking way.
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Dec 6, 2012 15:34:30 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 6, 2012 15:34:30 GMT -5
ok, pizza. i am an accountant. i am paid to figure stuff out and make things work. and i am sure that bleeds into my personal life (i like doing sudoku - problem is that even the five stars take only about ten minutes to figure out) and it certainly bleeds into my mafia life. so is your suggestion along the lines that we don't try to figure out who could be aligned against or for a faction? do we just random vote with no discussion and any attempt at discovery? should we just reamain silent and hope that the coin turns our way? and this is no bs. i'd really like your thoughts. i play this game my way. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. if you want me to cease playing to increase your pleasure i certainly don't have a problem with it. i like the folks on this board (including you) and if my play style is so disturbing then i don't want to get in the way of other folks having fun. You're overstating my position. Some people dislike, say, mass-claiming as a strategy, if it is predicated on the belief that the game host is too inexperienced to not have provided the scums cover roles. In that instance a mass claim instantly breaks the game. I'm suggesting in this game, pressuring people to vote as a single bloc to reveal who is on an entire team, breaks the game instantly for that team. It's an unfortunate result of the way the rules are structured. Yes you can win that way, but it's beyond boring for all involved. You may in fact choose to play that way. I won't stop you, I just won't participate and I'll voice why. As for Guiri, nuance man. Some games are structured such that it's possible someone takes control but there's no telling what his alignment will be at any given time. And the simple solution is to kill the sonofabitch. Why it wasn't tried is beyond me.
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Dec 6, 2012 15:37:05 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 6, 2012 15:37:05 GMT -5
unvote all
Removing dummy vote, will reread now and cast vote when I am done.
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Dec 6, 2012 15:43:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 15:43:40 GMT -5
can we just please kill pizza? he talks out of both sides of his mouth. if he suggests something it is the bees knees, if someone disagrees with him it is like you are not worthy of even participating with me. sorry, pizza i like you, but your condecension is kind of lost on this lot (or at least me)
been called worse by better, so to speak.
capiche
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Dec 6, 2012 15:51:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 15:51:09 GMT -5
ok, pizza. i am an accountant. i am paid to figure stuff out and make things work. and i am sure that bleeds into my personal life (i like doing sudoku - problem is that even the five stars take only about ten minutes to figure out) and it certainly bleeds into my mafia life. so is your suggestion along the lines that we don't try to figure out who could be aligned against or for a faction? do we just random vote with no discussion and any attempt at discovery? should we just reamain silent and hope that the coin turns our way? and this is no bs. i'd really like your thoughts. i play this game my way. sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. if you want me to cease playing to increase your pleasure i certainly don't have a problem with it. i like the folks on this board (including you) and if my play style is so disturbing then i don't want to get in the way of other folks having fun. You're overstating my position. Some people dislike, say, mass-claiming as a strategy, if it is predicated on the belief that the game host is too inexperienced to not have provided the scums cover roles. In that instance a mass claim instantly breaks the game. I'm suggesting in this game, pressuring people to vote as a single bloc to reveal who is on an entire team, breaks the game instantly for that team. It's an unfortunate result of the way the rules are structured. Yes you can win that way, but it's beyond boring for all involved. You may in fact choose to play that way. I won't stop you, I just won't participate and I'll voice why. As for Guiri, nuance man. Some games are structured such that it's possible someone takes control but there's no telling what his alignment will be at any given time. And the simple solution is to kill the sonofabitch. Why it wasn't tried is beyond me. so you are nailed?
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Dec 6, 2012 15:56:42 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 15:56:42 GMT -5
I'm suggesting in this game, pressuring people to vote as a single bloc to reveal who is o n an entire team, breaks the game instantly for that team.<snipped> you've never played in a game where blocs stick together on thier votes? can we please kill him immediately.
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Dec 6, 2012 16:00:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 16:00:55 GMT -5
and i really really really want to see where dizzy's vote ends up.
heh heh
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Dec 6, 2012 16:04:05 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 6, 2012 16:04:05 GMT -5
Hmm. Red Skeezix and Inner Stickler both have 2 posts D1, none D2 so far.
I tried rereading, but D1 is half-thanksgiving noise, D2 is 1/3 CG/LE noise, and 2/3 peeker nonsense.
We seriously need to focus on catching CE. My reread gave no absolutely nothing to go on but my gut. My gut tells me:
Total Ullz has posted once so far Today. That seems off.
vote Lightfoot
Very few posts, absolutely nothing that would bring Lightfoot in harms way.
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Dec 6, 2012 16:08:39 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 16:08:39 GMT -5
but chuckie have g not accomplished something?
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Dec 6, 2012 16:11:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 6, 2012 16:11:41 GMT -5
Total Ullz has posted once so far Today. That seems off. vote Lightfoot <snipped> your brain works the same as mine apparantly.
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Dec 6, 2012 16:26:14 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 6, 2012 16:26:14 GMT -5
but chuckie have g not accomplished something? What? 'g' ?
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Dec 6, 2012 16:29:09 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 6, 2012 16:29:09 GMT -5
NETA: Ahh.. 'g' == good, gotcha. Yes, Chaotic Good has achieved a lot this game. Lawful Good, not so much. Peeker (I'm going to trust you are CG for the rest of this post) is almost certainly going to win. BUT (from an LG point of view): We still have to be able to trust that you will not flip on us after you have achieved your (almost certain, it seems) victory. You can do that within minutes and we have no chance of knowing when it will happen, or if it will happen. No offense to the fine folks @ CG HQ, but in this game, I trust no one
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