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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:45:44 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 16:45:44 GMT -5
If SilverJan's power is infallible, she might have gotten past the slaker's curtain, but then she should have seen Burby with the slaker. I would have expected her PM to be either "You were unable to investigate Suburban." or "You saw Slaker visit Suburban". Vote: SilverJan [/color] [/quote] My power is not in fallible, hehe, it is
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:47:05 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 16:47:05 GMT -5
Can't you see that my results on you were zero, No.... this isn't even making sense to me The problem is that if I was immune to Investigation, you shouldn't have been able to Investigate me. You should have gotten "no result", not a "negative result". Now, I am making an assumption here: The PM I received yesterDay said "If you accept, the following Night, neither of you can be killed or investigated." I'm assuming that means that any ability directed at me by an Investigator will fail. I do think it's a good assumption. Oh boy. I'm now getting flashbacks to SisterCoyote. That's not good. The way I see it, haven't you just confirmed SilverJan is telling the truth about her power? Let's look at the sequence of events here: She volunteered the information - unprompted - that you hadn't been visited, nor had you visited anybody. You then contradicted her, saying that you couldn't be investigated. First of all - why volunteer that information, if she doesn't have the power she claims to have? But more importantly: SilverJan said she'd asked if Plankton - who can't be investigated - had been visited by anybody, or had visited anybody. Since Plankton can't be investigated, she would have seen that he hadn't been visited by anybody or visited anybody. Even if he actually had. So the way I look at it, if SilverJan had said that she'd been told that she couldn't view Plankton, THAT would have been evidence of her lying. The negative result is evidence that she's telling the truth. She asked if anybody visited him. She couldn't see anybody visit him, so she was told "no". Oh, and since Guiri seems to have ignored my rather emphatic hints to ignore the Masons and get more information on CatInASuit last night, I guess I'm gonna have to find out his alignment the old-fashioned way. Vote: CatInASuit.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:47:55 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 16:47:55 GMT -5
Note that none of that reasoning confirms SilverJan's alignment, just her power.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:51:58 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 16:51:58 GMT -5
I have asked Pleo for confirmation of my results. My Watcher/Tracker investigations overule the lust but I don't get alignement. Or ignore everything I just posted. I don't get this post. I don't understand this. Are you saying that your role overrules the investigative block that the Lust power puts in place? More specifically, how could you know this for certain?
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:54:23 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 16:54:23 GMT -5
Do you really think that I would be so upset about comments and so open about what I find out if I was scum, probably, it's just a ruse. I thought Patricia on D1 was Scum, have I ever deviated from that? I know SP wants more info but by giving him that I would have to reveal my Cardinal Sin. Do you want me to do that? I don't actually give a shit at the moment cos I don't like being called "Thick" So I am not ready to give away my Cardinal Sin cos I still want "Town" to win.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 16:59:52 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 16:59:52 GMT -5
My Watcher/Tracker investigations overule the lust but I don't get alignement. Or ignore everything I just posted. I don't get this post. I don't understand this. Are you saying that your role overrules the investigative block that the Lust power puts in place? More specifically, how could you know this for certain? I thought I had posted my response from Pleo? 12 midnight and I have to make sense
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:01:36 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 17:01:36 GMT -5
This has been redacted as if you can't tell.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:03:21 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 17:03:21 GMT -5
I CAN"T tell you about the other Power cos it is my Cardinal Sin, and yes I have committed a few to protect us good guys, I need cleansing
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:05:08 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 17:05:08 GMT -5
Do you really think that I would be so upset about comments and so open about what I find out if I was scum, probably, it's just a ruse. I thought Patricia on D1 was Scum, have I ever deviated from that? I know SP wants more info but by giving him that I would have to reveal my Cardinal Sin. Do you want me to do that? I don't actually give a shit at the moment cos I don't like being called "Thick" So I am not ready to give away my Cardinal Sin cos I still want "Town" to win. Absolutely do not give out your cardinal sin.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:07:30 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Mar 1, 2013 17:07:30 GMT -5
Do you really think that I would be so upset about comments and so open about what I find out if I was scum, probably, it's just a ruse. I thought Patricia on D1 was Scum, have I ever deviated from that? I know SP wants more info but by giving him that I would have to reveal my Cardinal Sin. Do you want me to do that? I don't actually give a shit at the moment cos I don't like being called "Thick" So I am not ready to give away my Cardinal Sin cos I still want "Town" to win. Absolutely do not give out your cardinal sin. Tantrum over
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:13:37 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 17:13:37 GMT -5
Ok, here's a working theory that takes into account my killing power block last night:
- The lack of scumkills is because the masons have been doing a good job protecting potential scumkill targets. - The devils know the masons can't self-protect, so they decide to take out one of a group of probably soon-to-be-cleared Christians. - Their scumkill does not count as a "power", and therefore I wasn't able to block it.
On that last point - Pleonast has absolutely refused to comment on whether or not there's a scumkill that wouldn't be detected (or, as you guys now know, manipulated). I think I posted the PMs that went between us on the subject in thread somewhere. Can't remember where, unfortunately (search the posts that I've made, it wouldn't be too long after the start of Day Three I think).
If that's correct - at least, if Colby can confirm that he targeted someone last night and was blocked, in which case it was probably me who blocked him - then it appears that we do have to worry about scumkills from here on out. Fun times, eh?
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 1, 2013 17:37:45 GMT -5
Moley, I must have missed something: "killing power block"? Can you point me to where I missed this or tell me again what you did last Night?
With the number of protectors we seem to have, I am frankly amazed that anyone has died. But by the same token, with the number of investigators we have...
CIAS has claimed a kill re-direct, but claimed he had not used it, and I can't imagine why he would suddenly decide to use it last Night.
Ginger, I am glad that Pollux finally made it to heaven; I felt guilty about killing him. I wonder why you had to pray for him twice in order for him to get there?
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:38:25 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 1, 2013 17:38:25 GMT -5
So hopefully now we can put our mason claim to rest and focus on devils.
Right now, I'm having a VERY hard time reconciling why ryjae would choose to cleanse Mr V over either myself of Dizzy since he has been AWOL. He did not post in our thread last night, nor the night before. In fact the last time he interacted with us at all was on Day Four. I don't believe he accepted her cleansing last night without posting something in our thread about it.
I'm fairly certain that he was killed so the devils could claim his soul. The question for me now is this: Is ryjae actually who she says she is? Who are the people she has claimed to cleanse? Can we be sure that they are not all devils in cahoots?
I'm thinking out loud here. Can anyone offer any thoughts?
Holy, I'd like to think we've done something good. Hopefully we have been protecting the right people. Guess we won't know till it's over.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:47:51 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 1, 2013 17:47:51 GMT -5
If you read my last post you would see why I chose him. As to more in depth reasoning, you and Dizzy where optimal targets, not just for me but for blockers etc who may have been up to no good. And I don't think they have him.
I am not going to argue with you I will choose you toDay, it makes no sense since you're claim is "cleared" but it would at least stop this line of reasoning.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:48:35 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 17:48:35 GMT -5
Moley, I must have missed something: "killing power block"? Can you point me to where I missed this or tell me again what you did last Night? With the number of protectors we seem to have, I am frankly amazed that anyone has died. But by the same token, with the number of investigators we have... CIAS has claimed a kill re-direct, but claimed he had not used it, and I can't imagine why he would suddenly decide to use it last Night. Ginger, I am glad that Pollux finally made it to heaven; I felt guilty about killing him. I wonder why you had to pray for him twice in order for him to get there? So, I said there were parts of my role's abilities that I wasn't revealing, and here's some info about one such ability. Last night I tried to use my secondary Manipulator power to block all killing roles. (Sorry Colby... didn't trust ya... and also wanted to test my idea that the devils had some kind of staggered-night recruitment / nightkill.) Plainly, I wasn't successful in stopping all kills, which means that one of several things is true: 1) The devils really do have a non-power-related nightkill that I can't detect or stop. 2) Visceral was killed by a non-killing role (eg some kind of equivalent of Ryjae dying from trying to "cleanse" a devil). Any other Masons have anything to suggest regarding this, to stop me having to search through your role PMs again? 3) Somebody roleblocked me. If Colby tried to shoot anybody, he wouldn't have been able to last night unless I was roleblocked. Colby, did you take a shot at anybody bar Visceral? This is a really, really bad thing for the non-devils as it wastes potentially the most powerful weapon in my armoury. I can only use it once, and last night was it. If anybody has any idea how Visceral ended up dead, given this information, I'm open to ideas. Again - I can't be tracked, watched, or redirected, since I don't visit specific people. That's true for both my investigation power and my manipulation one.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:53:46 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 1, 2013 17:53:46 GMT -5
Furthermore, I offered Idle, BillMc, Colby, Texcat and MisterV my services, all but one has been a success. So you would have to make the leap that myself plus the five listed are scum. That is a leap that Evel Knievel would shutter to do. That is all for the insight I have into your accusations. Lets get Devils, that is more fun.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 17:54:03 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 1, 2013 17:54:03 GMT -5
I can confirm that I received PMs offering to cleanse my sins and that my sins had been cleansed. The PM was specific that my sins had been cleansed.
We're still waiting on Chucara's claim and cry's report of who she tried to communicate with last Night. She hasn't been able to get through to anyone yet?
Moley, Guiri's claim came before CIAS's claim. CIAS would have known not to lie about being "The Templar". So had Guiri investigated him, I'm pretty sure he would have found exactly that regardless of CIAS's alignment.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 19:10:20 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Mar 1, 2013 19:10:20 GMT -5
Why did you block me?
(and no, I didn't get to kill anyone.... Tempted to vote for you based solely on that)
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 19:48:55 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 19:48:55 GMT -5
Why did you block me? (and no, I didn't get to kill anyone.... Tempted to vote for you based solely on that) I blocked every killing role out there. Partly I wanted to test my theory about alternate kills / recruitments, and maybe see if the scum might be able to kill using a non-role-related power. I'm guessing they can. But honestly, I don't trust you. I don't think you're likely to be a devil, at all, but I absolutely think you'd put a bullet in my brain, on the grounds of "could be a malicious third-party or a devil masquerading as one". Especially after you killed the only person who'd successfully come up with any evidence implicating a known scummy player, just because she was a second-claiming third-party investigator (exactly like me, in fact). I know the game doesn't end if you die - but I for one don't fancy taking my chances in the afterlife. FTR I could have used my power to block the Mechanics instead, to stop any possible recruitment. (Plus Plankton, who claims to have blocked my votes yesterday.) But that would also mean blocking Ryjae and Ginger. For obvious reasons, I didn't want to do that.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 19:56:01 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 19:56:01 GMT -5
Why did you block me? (and no, I didn't get to kill anyone.... Tempted to vote for you based solely on that) Did you TRY to kill someone? That would all-but-confirm (I guess it's still possible that we were both roleblocked by other people, although it's very unlikely indeed) that Visceral's death was the result of either a non-killing role action or a "kill" that's not part of a role action itself (eg, a scumkill). Pleonast, as I said, would not elaborate on this point in any way, no matter how much I asked. And just out of interest, was it me or Wombat that you tried to kill, if you did use your power? I won't take offence - heck, I expected it.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 1, 2013 19:56:07 GMT -5
So just what I thought would happened happened. The reason we were so secretive, was because we felt we were powerful being three Masons that were also Doctors. We were trying to hide the fact that we were either, because we couldn't self protect, and knew once it was all out there we'd be picked off one by one.
I'm glad whoever picked Mr.V over Hockey and I, because yeah it's been frustrating to not be able to contact Mr. V. He never shared his full PM with Hockey or I, so that's why there were discrepancies between our take on his role, because (and I'm talking for Hockey here without asking her) at least for me, I assumed his beginning PM was the same as ours, and he never gave us full definitive answers on his slaking power. Everything we got was piecemeal 1 liners over multiple days/posts.
That's the main reason "I" didn't answer for him when you asked us questions about it Suburban, because I really didn't feel comfortable speculating about the pieces that I didn't know about.
In other news, now that Mr. V was killed and we are "cleared" I completely wasted my sin last night. Ryjae, I'd like to throw my name in the pot for needs to be cleaned as well at some point.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:03:53 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 20:03:53 GMT -5
Ah crap. Can't believe I only just thought of that.
Idle said that the devils could claim your soul if they found out your cardinal sin, right? What's the betting against them having done exactly that with MisterVisceral and his lust?
That might even be HOW they kill - through an investigative power, rather than a killing one. Heck, it would explain why I couldn't block the kill AND why there's been no obvious regular "scumkills".
Too many theories, too little information...
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:10:11 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 20:10:11 GMT -5
Can I also echo Pollux's warning to keep your sins secret? Especially the Christians. The devils already got a bunch of information from his claim. I don't think it's even close to being a good idea to give them any more info.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:11:00 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 1, 2013 20:11:00 GMT -5
Oooh, that's a good theory Holy. What if they can only "kill" you if they guess your CS? Has Ginger been able to get anyone to Heaven that has been NKed?
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:20:45 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 20:20:45 GMT -5
Oooh, that's a good theory Holy. What if they can only "kill" you if they guess your CS? Has Ginger been able to get anyone to Heaven that has been NKed? Paranoia died at night, but she was a Martyr. I don't know how the role worked, but the name would strongly suggest that her death was planned to have a benefit to the other Christians; maybe as a bodyguard, maybe to remove Christian sins, etc - which in turn strongly suggests that she wasn't a regular night kill. Lightfoot was killed by Guiri, Pollux by lynch.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:21:41 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 1, 2013 20:21:41 GMT -5
Lightfoot was killed by Colby, sorry. I have Guiri on the brain at the moment.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:35:33 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 1, 2013 20:35:33 GMT -5
Oh oh oh! I do like this new theory.
Ginger has put SisC, Lightfoot, Pollux in heaven. SisC and Pollux were lynched. Lightfoot was Colby.
The only other NK's were Paranoia and Laurie. SilverJan took sideways credit for Laurie. Do we have a clue what happened to Paranoia? Somebody remind me who the killers are/were. Colby, SisC, Laurie and ??.
If crys ever appears toDay, I'm going to suggest that she try talking to MrV toNight. I'm a little suspicious of her power since she's yet to talk to anyone, but it's not going to stop me from making suggestions.
I'm going back to look at Paranoia's posts to see if he left any clues as to his CS.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:42:07 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 1, 2013 20:42:07 GMT -5
Ah crap. Can't believe I only just thought of that. Idle said that the devils could claim your soul if they found out your cardinal sin, right? What's the betting against them having done exactly that with MisterVisceral and his lust? That might even be HOW they kill - through an investigative power, rather than a killing one. Heck, it would explain why I couldn't block the kill AND why there's been no obvious regular "scumkills". Too many theories, too little information... This makes a lot of sense.
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 20:51:27 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 1, 2013 20:51:27 GMT -5
The only problem with this theory is that it was on Day 4 that mrV came forward as knowing about lusting. Why did they wait until Night 5 to get him?
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Day Six
Mar 1, 2013 21:08:26 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 1, 2013 21:08:26 GMT -5
The only problem with this theory is that it was on Day 4 that mrV came forward as knowing about lusting. Why did they wait until Night 5 to get him? Maybe they tried but failed; no one died Night 4.
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