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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 15:07:04 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 4, 2013 15:07:04 GMT -5
And as Little Jack Horner sits in his corner eating his whatever and whatever pies Votes piled on because holy hell honest twice at the end of a post is so suspicious that we can safely ignore everything else that's happened today. Proooobably because I forgot Gnarly existed? It's kind of hard to remember who someone is and what they've done if they're not you know doing anything. And there is a smidge and you know it: I said I would vote gnarly as well if I had more than one vote. As in my second most suspicious person. The way you word this post makes it sound like I said I'd vote him if there were more votes on him. oh and, someone who is active versus someone who isn't - if you think they are scum together for the reasons lined above, why would you vote for the active player before the inactive? Like, where is the logic there? First of all, my vote has nothing to do with your multiple uses of the word "honest". I voted for you because: a) when you voted for me, you named gnarly as your 'second choice'. Your vote gave me three votes at that point, while gnarly had 2. b) later, you unvoted me and voted Jaade, without mention of gnarly at all. At that point, gnarly had 3 votes, putting him a tie-breaker behind guiri. I wonder what happened to your suspicion of gnarly. You found him suspicious early on, but later you "forgot he existed"? It was only 24 posts, and about 13 hours, between your posts...
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 17:00:06 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 4, 2013 17:00:06 GMT -5
Crikey, gnarly's posts are pinging the hell out of me. It's nearly midnight here and I need to go to bed but I will read over everything in the morning because at the moment I am feeling far too metagamey, the last time I saw gnarly so defensive was when I accused him of being scum and I had investigated him as scum. Just thought I should get it out there though.
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 17:47:33 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 4, 2013 17:47:33 GMT -5
so, i should just shut up because all that i say is irrelevant. but i won't. just keep going answering the questions you want to answer. where's Meeko? i'm sure we three can have a great conversation. you seem to be replying to him. feel free to ask more questions or state how irrelevant my posts are. i'm in the mood to reply. Some of us actually had to work today.
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 17:52:29 GMT -5
Post by Paranoia on Jul 4, 2013 17:52:29 GMT -5
And as Little Jack Horner sits in his corner eating his whatever and whatever pies Votes piled on because holy hell honest twice at the end of a post is so suspicious that we can safely ignore everything else that's happened today. Proooobably because I forgot Gnarly existed? It's kind of hard to remember who someone is and what they've done if they're not you know doing anything. And there is a smidge and you know it: I said I would vote gnarly as well if I had more than one vote. As in my second most suspicious person. The way you word this post makes it sound like I said I'd vote him if there were more votes on him. oh and, someone who is active versus someone who isn't - if you think they are scum together for the reasons lined above, why would you vote for the active player before the inactive? Like, where is the logic there? First of all, my vote has nothing to do with your multiple uses of the word "honest". I voted for you because: a) when you voted for me, you named gnarly as your 'second choice'. Your vote gave me three votes at that point, while gnarly had 2. b) later, you unvoted me and voted Jaade, without mention of gnarly at all. At that point, gnarly had 3 votes, putting him a tie-breaker behind guiri. I wonder what happened to your suspicion of gnarly. You found him suspicious early on, but later you "forgot he existed"? It was only 24 posts, and about 13 hours, between your posts... One post during the entirety of day does not lend yourself to being remembered, and there was something else that caught my eye at the time.. Gnarly wasn't posting, I forgot he existed at the time, whoops. Gnarly only popped on ONCE people recalled he existed. I'm stilly fairly suspicious of him now that I'm reminded of his presence (and ATPG has neatly detailed what's wrong with his recent posts) but cut me a break if I don't remember who all is playing the game at all times, like you apparently are able to do unfailingly. I find it more interesting you keep naming gnarly as suspicious but decide to throw a vote at me instead of him - it feels more like you're trying to get rid of someone who's critical of you while doing the usual song of dance of trying to smidge everything they say, and guess what: you were your top choice at my time. Your vote on guiri and then the hop to meeko, combined with the fact you were ignoring all discussion that wasn't part of your slap fight with meeko (including my initial vote on you), the fact you keep misrepresenting my posts, and how slimy you feel in general with your reasoning makes me think I was dead on with voting you in the first place. My current scum team prediction is SP, Gnarly, and Jaade (who vanished after I aggroed her(him?) and hasn't been seen since you started attacking me), with maybe texcat in there since she completely vanished after that vote on me earlier. Am I 100 correct? proooobably not, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's at least two scum in this group. So yeah. In the interest of lynching someone I'm suspicious of I'm going to Unvote: Jaaade and Vote: Gnarly Charlie since I don't think a vote on you or jaade is going to happen today and I don't have enough time to rip both of you apart to get the ball rolling.
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 18:08:15 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 4, 2013 18:08:15 GMT -5
But here we are, I still have no idea why you want Guiri dead. I never found the reasons behind any of those votes to be compelling, but I found your pile-on to be the most dubious. And it still is. Have I given off that much of a townie vibe? Is my lynch so clearly a bad decision? Obviously I agree that the reasons given for the votes on me are not compelling but I did ruffle some feathers, I acted like an asshole reinterpreting the rules (no offense Pleo), I gave silly reasons for my votes and I back off almost all of them pretty quickly. I was just having fun, (possibly a weird way to show it but voting for posting in blue or for being relatively subdued or for saying "present" rather than "confirming" or for being overly willing to please in the N0 thread seemed funny to me) but I can see how a paranoid, overly sensitive or lazy player could think my actions voteworthy. I'll question their votes to see if there's scummy intent included, or inconsistent reasoning (see Dizzy's case) but I won't dismiss them all automatically just because they're wrong. Why would you? It's hardly automatic. For one, Meeko's behavior smacked of townie to me. It's completely absurd but I couldn't sense any scummy motivation. I've been considering the people doing the action, and while Meeko's behavior seems essentially random, it's more of a pure D1 reaction to oddness with an overreaction, from where I sit. Gnarly seemed more deliberate and measured, and I don't like what motives I believe are behind his vote. Making a larger wagon so early (4 votes at the time, out of proportion for a D1 random suspect) makes everyone else in the game get that much further from being lynched. Any bandwagon makes the outcome of the round safer for scums to predict. Mainly, I marked you down as stirring the pot, which is a D1 behavior I see more from townies, because it's risky to do so as scum without backlash. Case in point.
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 18:14:10 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 4, 2013 18:14:10 GMT -5
I'm feeling Paranoia's read on Suburban Plankton even more than before. I could really go with either lynch today at this point, with an ever so slight lean on gnarly. The difference maker being that I picked up the ball and ran with it on gnarly, and I know my motives are genuine, which gives town a better chance of having lynched scum than if I follow someone else.
That being said, if I were to follow someone else today, I'd go with Paranoia's recommends.
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Day One
Jul 4, 2013 19:23:05 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jul 4, 2013 19:23:05 GMT -5
unvoteI am a bit put off by Pleo not claiming yet but how much time do I spend thinking about it? I have seen him claim Town when his is either Town or Scum, not going to think about it too much yet but is still going to be at the back of my mind. Meh, I'm going with my gut on this one. Pleo likes to make choices and take some risks. So do I. I think he's scum in this game. Based on his actions, my gut is saying kill him. Vote PleoCrikey, gnarly's posts are pinging the hell out of me. It's nearly midnight here and I need to go to bed but I will read over everything in the morning because at the moment I am feeling far too metagamey, the last time I saw gnarly so defensive was when I accused him of being scum and I had investigated him as scum. Just thought I should get it out there though. What game was that in?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 1:34:11 GMT -5
Have I given off that much of a townie vibe? Is my lynch so clearly a bad decision? Obviously I agree that the reasons given for the votes on me are not compelling but I did ruffle some feathers, I acted like an asshole reinterpreting the rules (no offense Pleo), I gave silly reasons for my votes and I back off almost all of them pretty quickly. I was just having fun, (possibly a weird way to show it but voting for posting in blue or for being relatively subdued or for saying "present" rather than "confirming" or for being overly willing to please in the N0 thread seemed funny to me) but I can see how a paranoid, overly sensitive or lazy player could think my actions voteworthy. I'll question their votes to see if there's scummy intent included, or inconsistent reasoning (see Dizzy's case) but I won't dismiss them all automatically just because they're wrong. Why would you? It's hardly automatic. For one, Meeko's behavior smacked of townie to me. It's completely absurd but I couldn't sense any scummy motivation. I've been considering the people doing the action, and while Meeko's behavior seems essentially random, it's more of a pure D1 reaction to oddness with an overreaction, from where I sit. Gnarly seemed more deliberate and measured, and I don't like what motives I believe are behind his vote. Making a larger wagon so early (4 votes at the time, out of proportion for a D1 random suspect) makes everyone else in the game get that much further from being lynched. Any bandwagon makes the outcome of the round safer for scums to predict. Mainly, I marked you down as stirring the pot, which is a D1 behavior I see more from townies, because it's risky to do so as scum without backlash. Case in point. deliberate is bad? unvoteI am a bit put off by Pleo not claiming yet but how much time do I spend thinking about it? I have seen him claim Town when his is either Town or Scum, not going to think about it too much yet but is still going to be at the back of my mind. Meh, I'm going with my gut on this one. Pleo likes to make choices and take some risks. So do I. I think he's scum in this game. Based on his actions, my gut is saying kill him. Vote PleoCrikey, gnarly's posts are pinging the hell out of me. It's nearly midnight here and I need to go to bed but I will read over everything in the morning because at the moment I am feeling far too metagamey, the last time I saw gnarly so defensive was when I accused him of being scum and I had investigated him as scum. Just thought I should get it out there though. What game was that in? yes, what game was that? what about the game on the Dope where i voted myself? i was pissed and frustrated AND town. you were scum, right? my point is, don't have selective memory. ------------------------------- by my account i'm lynch leader. i'll certainly try to save myself. Unvote: guiri Vote: Paranoianotice how Paranoia and guiri have been fairly uncontroversial lately? i think they're relying on the lynch the loud or controversial culture in this board. well i guess i won't be quiet this game. i especially won't be talked down or browbeaten by the likes of Pizza. i may never be as good as him but i'll never be intimidated by him. sometimes i get the feeling that he gets voted because people are scared of him. by his own admission he's human and wrong often than right. so i could care less about all his experience. he's wrong about me, unless he's scum. as i argued before, people see what they want to see. what exactly are the arguments against me? i'm defensive. pinging people all over the place. metagamey, yes? yet that's the reason i'm being voted. i was metagamey with guiri. my vote vote was measured and deliberate? is that wrong? should D1 votes be random? when are we allowed deliberate votes? in summary: Pizza's vote: would rather vote me who justified my vote rather than Suburban who had no logic. later said my vote was deliberate. Colby's vote: same as Pizza. hasn't commented again. Patricia's vote: no reason at all. can you say 3rd vote or bandwagon? hasn't commented since. Paranoia's vote: defensive vote. not much to defend here. Pizza is the main character here. perhaps you "respect" his vote. what do you think about the other voters?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 1:37:13 GMT -5
I'm feeling Paranoia's read on Suburban Plankton even more than before. I could really go with either lynch today at this point, with an ever so slight lean on gnarly. The difference maker being that I picked up the ball and ran with it on gnarly, and I know my motives are genuine, which gives town a better chance of having lynched scum than if I follow someone else. That being said, if I were to follow someone else today, I'd go with Paranoia's recommends. you ALWAYS say your motives are genuine. wow! you're deferring to someone. that's a first. ------------------------------------ one last note: for those who have played with me often, have i been more vigorous defending myself as town or as scum? think about it.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jul 5, 2013 2:32:00 GMT -5
Day 1 Vote Count:
gnarlycharlie (4): AskThePizzaGuy (#49), colby11 (#61), patricia (#82), paranoia (#153) paranoia (4): texcat (#86), pleonast (#123), Suburban Plankton (#124), gnarlycharlie (#157)
dizzymrslizzy(3): texcat (#5-#16), silverjan (#91), guiri (#97), DarkCookies (#101)
guiri (2): colby (#2-#2), dizzymrslizzy (#19), meeko (#26), Suburban Plankton (#36-#46), gnarlycharlie (#38-#157)
colby (1): Jaade (#79), Mahaloth (#93-#156) Pleonast (1): mahaloth (#156)
Suburban Plankton (0): guiri (#1-#97), Pleonast (#39-#123), paranoia (#74-#100) jaade (0): texcat (#16-#40), paranoia (#100-#153) Meeko (0): Suburban Plankton (#46-#124)
Not Voted: BillMc
With these votes, as of post 158, gnarlycharlie will be lynched
Day ends in approx 11 1/2 hours.
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 6:50:29 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by Jaade on Jul 5, 2013 6:50:29 GMT -5
Yay, game on! 16 players so probably 3-4 scum. Based on the N0 thread I'll put my money on Suburban- for his "present", Meeko- for his restraint, Mahaloth- for being overly understanding of Pleo, and Patricia - for blue.
Vote Suburban Vote Meeko Vote Mahaloth Vote PatriciaThis pinged hard and fast. It still does. It's anti-town, and for day one, that's more than enough. VOTE GUIRI[/font][/b] [/quote] Just a question on a quick re-read before bed. If this vote pinged you "so hard and so fast" why did you wait so long to say so/place a vote for it?
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 8:42:08 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 8:42:08 GMT -5
i guess most of you still have an independence hangover. not too many posting. i was hoping i didn't have to claim but i don't have much choice. Lucy Locket lost her pocket, Kitty Fisher found it.NAME: Kitty Fisher SIDE: Duke of York ROLE: Detective WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Duke of York's side have been removed. BACKGROUND: You were always noticing and finding things. It's a talent and also good for spotting things which shouldn't be. Like which uniforms all the people are wearing, although the mud makes it difficult, if anyone can do it, its you. POWERS: 1. During the Night, you can select one person to have a closer look at and determine what side they are on. Send a PM naming the person and your result will be returned at Dawn. do with it whatever you feel like doing. there isn't anything more to say.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 5, 2013 8:49:29 GMT -5
I'm feeling Paranoia's read on Suburban Plankton even more than before. I could really go with either lynch today at this point, with an ever so slight lean on gnarly. The difference maker being that I picked up the ball and ran with it on gnarly, and I know my motives are genuine, which gives town a better chance of having lynched scum than if I follow someone else. That being said, if I were to follow someone else today, I'd go with Paranoia's recommends. you ALWAYS say your motives are genuine. wow! you're deferring to someone. that's a first. ------------------------------------ one last note: for those who have played with me often, have i been more vigorous defending myself as town or as scum? think about it. I can't remember which game it was, Bring your own role perhaps? I have only been an investigator twice and it was a couple of years ago. I find you to be much more defensive as scum and as I said it was a metagamey "feeling" as opposed to anything you did before you got the tied vote and it makes me very uncomfortable. I had better put my money where my mouth is and Unvote: DizzyMrsLizzy Vote: gnarlycharlieI want to say that I still find Dizzy scummy but with gnarly it is such a strong feeling that I can't let it go, sorry if you are Town but I don't think you are.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:07:04 GMT -5
No number 2? Just a 1?
Why would there be a number if there's no list involved? I feel like Opal.
PM looks like it was edited, from where I sit.
I do not want any claims, but if there's anyone who only has a 1. and no number 2. in their role PM, it would help establish veracity of gnarly's claim.
If you feel like sharing this small bit of information, it would be helpful to me, at least.
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 9:07:20 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 9:07:20 GMT -5
Silver Jan, did you even bother to read my last post?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:08:29 GMT -5
As someone who has written and seen about fifty forgeries in mafia games, something that small is usually a tell regarding edited PMs.
Townies shouldn't have to edit their PMs if they're already revealing, with very few exceptions.
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 9:09:31 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 9:09:31 GMT -5
No number 2? Just a 1? Why would there be a number if there's no list involved? I feel like Opal. PM looks like it was edited, from where I sit. I do not want any claims, but if there's anyone who only has a 1. and no number 2. in their role PM, it would help establish veracity of gnarly's claim. If you feel like sharing this small bit of information, it would be helpful to me, at least. just 1. if you don't believe me, that's you're problem. are you claiming vanilla or scum?
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 9:12:47 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 9:12:47 GMT -5
As someone who has written and seen about fifty forgeries in mafia games, something that small is usually a tell regarding edited PMs. Townies shouldn't have to edit their PMs if they're already revealing, with very few exceptions. as i said earlier, i could care less about your experience. each game and mod is unique with its on idiosyncrasies. the mod is human and so are you.
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 9:13:59 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by guiri on Jul 5, 2013 9:13:59 GMT -5
I have a 1. without a 2.
I'm willing to move my vote to save the claimed cop but I prefer dizzy over paranoia.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:15:49 GMT -5
No number 2? Just a 1? Why would there be a number if there's no list involved? I feel like Opal. PM looks like it was edited, from where I sit. I do not want any claims, but if there's anyone who only has a 1. and no number 2. in their role PM, it would help establish veracity of gnarly's claim. If you feel like sharing this small bit of information, it would be helpful to me, at least. just 1. if you don't believe me, that's you're problem. are you claiming vanilla or scum? I'm definitely not claiming anything right now. I find your role claim particularly interesting, given that you're claiming detective while you're tied on D1. I am suggesting that there could be a tangled web of lies that you could be caught in, if you've happened to forge your role and mistakenly leave part of a longer list. Given there is still some time left, I wouldn't want to rush to rash action. However, I am not comfortable unvoting you right now, even given your claim. Caught scumbags often rush to claim detective, blocker, tracker, etc because these are so valuable, and a counterclaim outs a seriously useful townie role. I would urge any town detective out there not to counterclaim you. It's not necessary. I feel that your alignment will be revealed in due time, whether by lynch, or by said town detective.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:17:23 GMT -5
I have a 1. without a 2. I'm willing to move my vote to save the claimed cop but I prefer dizzy over paranoia. That's good enough for me. <unvote><unvote></unvote></unvote><unvote><unvote><unvote>unvote gnarlycharlie</unvote></unvote></unvote> <vote>vote dizzymrslizzy </vote>
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:18:01 GMT -5
Why the button not show that it was working.
I'll redo it.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:18:58 GMT -5
Unvote gnarlycharlie
Vote Dizzymrslizzy
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 5, 2013 9:19:22 GMT -5
No number 2? Just a 1? Why would there be a number if there's no list involved? I feel like Opal. PM looks like it was edited, from where I sit. I do not want any claims, but if there's anyone who only has a 1. and no number 2. in their role PM, it would help establish veracity of gnarly's claim. If you feel like sharing this small bit of information, it would be helpful to me, at least. It's common a format in our play group for role PMs to have a "Powers:" section even if there's only one power. I would not consider this to indicate anything. This role PM looks plausible to me. I think it's best to defer lynching gnarlycharlie. It's never good policy to lynch a claimed investigator on Day One.
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Post by Pleonast on Jul 5, 2013 9:24:11 GMT -5
I have a 1. without a 2. I'm willing to move my vote to save the claimed cop but I prefer dizzy over paranoia. Players had better be moving their votes off of gnarly, so vote for who you want to see lynched. (This is exactly the situation where multiple votes is useful--players should not have to decide between voting for who they think should be lynched and who they think can be lynched.)
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:24:25 GMT -5
Yeah. If he's scum he's definitely caught already, and time will tell. If he's a real detective, then it would be I dunno foolish to lynch the claimed power this early.
Kind of like killing a mason on Day One. it's just not done. Ever.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 5, 2013 9:25:10 GMT -5
EVER.
*angry glare*
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Day One
Jul 5, 2013 9:28:05 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 5, 2013 9:28:05 GMT -5
if any town have similar PMs, DO NOT say so. you'd be telling scum you have a role.
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Post by BillMc on Jul 5, 2013 9:28:35 GMT -5
Busy week, so quickly catching up.
Paranoia just seems to be trying to get a vote to stick anywhere as long as it gets him off the hook.
Gnarly - squirming like a worm on the hook - I was about to agree that he was either scum or a town power, tho I have just seen he has claimed detective. From Pizza's and Guiri's comments - Pizza must have a substantially different PM either, no Power clause or multiple powers.
I'm not seeing the case on Dizzy
Vote: Paranoia
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 5, 2013 9:30:01 GMT -5
Unvote gnarlycharlieVote Dizzymrslizzy
What the heck ever for? I've never seen you place a vote with no big long explanation before dear Pizza..... And especially after your big whole tirade on Gnarly? Even if he did fake a PM, I would leave him be for Today and relook at him after a couple of days.
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