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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 27, 2013 0:32:32 GMT -5
No one has mentioned this yet but what if Meeko put himself in jail? Just a possibility. Sorry, it was SilverJan who suggested it first. I also think it would be too strong a power for Meeko to use on himself all the time, if indeed, he has the power. It's a really nice power, all sorts of things are going around in my head about it. It's too strong for one person to use it on him/herself all the time. Why would scum have such a power, very nice for them if they did have it but it's not a secret power anymore. It could just be a one off thing. The possibilities are endless (they aren't really but you know what I mean). What if scum could just use it on Townies to give them Town cred.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 0:36:18 GMT -5
I take issue with this too. If the scum team were around to save Mahaloth, what would that have looked like? How do you know they were or were not around? Did the scum just sit there and watch Mahaloth get lynched with no one casting any vote in defence of him? Please define "joke" vote. Please define random. Please define random vote in the context of day one. When cookies asked me to vote her, how then is it random? So you consider you vote a well thought out defensible vote? That 40 posts after she posted don't vote for me - you thought it was worthy of a vote? That you thought your vote was good enough not to get involved in the actual lynch Just good old sarcasm. I don't really want Meeko to vote for me either, in case that wasn't clear. Really? so Meeko, should we just dispense with Day 1 entirely, and everyone should just roll a random number and use that for a vote? I find it very interesting that you are getting so worked up about being challenged on the reasoning (or lack of) of your vote. I have stated in the past that a player first day votes should not be used against them. My position has not changed. I doubt it will ever change. You are moving the goal post and in so doing, dodging. The question to you sir remains, in so many words; What makes my vote on Cookies random? Well thought out and "defensible" do not, should not enter the discussion of "Random" How can one defend a day one vote? I find it very interesting that your are projecting your being worked up over this onto me. The question of your motivation remains unanswered. ---- How do you know they were or were not around? Did the scum just sit there and watch Mahaloth get lynched with no one casting any vote in defence of him? This is my exact question to you. One would think that you would have answered mine once you understood the question enough to rephrase it.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 27, 2013 6:21:31 GMT -5
I have stated in the past that a player first day votes should not be used against them. My position has not changed. I doubt it will ever change. So your position is that day one votes shouldn't count for anything. Why should we even have a day one then if the vote, the primary weapon of the town, means nothing? You are moving the goal post and in so doing, dodging. The question to you sir remains, in so many words; What makes my vote on Cookies random? Well thought out and "defensible" do not, should not enter the discussion of "Random" How can one defend a day one vote? Actually, you completely missed my point. The vote is the town's main weapon - not using it effectively is anti-town. At the end of the day, when it came down to the lynch, you didn't agree or disagree with any of the cases on any of the lynchees, you decided your joke/random/callitwhatyouwill vote on cookies (for her saying don't vote for her) was the best use of your vote. Your position on day one votes is effectively one of absolution - for example, had cookies ended up being lynched and flipped town, you would be absolving yourself of all blame. How do you know they were or were not around? Did the scum just sit there and watch Mahaloth get lynched with no one casting any vote in defence of him? This is my exact question to you. One would think that you would have answered mine once you understood the question enough to rephrase it. Since you seem to have missed what I actually said: It is a simple supposition that since there were no moves to prevent mahaloth being the lynch. Furthermore, I state an alternative interpretation: Why do you have an issue with my theories that the scum weren't around or they just let mahaloth swing? What are your theories?
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Post by patricia on Aug 27, 2013 6:29:33 GMT -5
As we wait for the Meeko/Bill questions to get sorted out, I wanted to point out the Charlie is listed in the color as Night Owl II - which would imply a Night Owl one. I for one would like town to have another cop type role from which to get information.
Also, as Meeko is safe for the next day - I did want to throw out the idea that maybe he killed Charlie and was jailed as a result. What you all think?
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Post by patricia on Aug 27, 2013 7:00:23 GMT -5
Well, after rereading Day One - a couple of other things stick out
Swammer- I don't like the posting style and I don't feel it is pro town to post like that and the lack of posting towards the end of day is pinging me but not as much as
Cookies - who spend the whole day posting but not voting, and then placing a one off vote and wasn't around towards the end of the day
I must agree that the scum team were not around towards the end of Day One as I have never seen a scum go down with so little fight. It is my guess they didn't know one of their own was the lynch leader at day end.
so far now Vote: cookies
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Post by KidV on Aug 27, 2013 7:23:51 GMT -5
As we wait for the Meeko/Bill questions to get sorted out, I wanted to point out the Charlie is listed in the color as Night Owl II - which would imply a Night Owl one. I for one would like town to have another cop type role from which to get information. I agree that Gnarly probably has a counterpart Night Owl 1, but a) Investigator is very broad, and we don't know what sort of results Gnarly was going to get, b) we don't know if Night Owl 1 had that same power or if they still have it now that Gnarly is dead, and c) we don't know what alignment Night Owl 1 had before Gnarly died, and we don't know if that alignment may have changed now that Gnarly is dead. I have a suspicion that Gnarly and his partner have/had Lover-type roles, and that generally means that once they find eachother or once they die that there's an opportunity for alignment shift. I think it's perilous to assume that Night Owl 1 is an alignment or role cop, or is Town, or is 3rd party willing to help Town.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 9:45:00 GMT -5
I have stated in the past that a player first day votes should not be used against them. My position has not changed. I doubt it will ever change. So your position is that day one votes shouldn't count for anything. Why should we even have a day one then if the vote, the primary weapon of the town, means nothing? You are moving the goal post and in so doing, dodging. The question to you sir remains, in so many words; What makes my vote on Cookies random? Well thought out and "defensible" do not, should not enter the discussion of "Random" How can one defend a day one vote? Actually, you completely missed my point. The vote is the town's main weapon - not using it effectively is anti-town. At the end of the day, when it came down to the lynch, you didn't agree or disagree with any of the cases on any of the lynchees, you decided your joke/random/callitwhatyouwill vote on cookies (for her saying don't vote for her) was the best use of your vote. Your position on day one votes is effectively one of absolution - for example, had cookies ended up being lynched and flipped town, you would be absolving yourself of all blame. How do you know they were or were not around? Did the scum just sit there and watch Mahaloth get lynched with no one casting any vote in defence of him? This is my exact question to you. One would think that you would have answered mine once you understood the question enough to rephrase it. Since you seem to have missed what I actually said: It is a simple supposition that since there were no moves to prevent mahaloth being the lynch. Furthermore, I state an alternative interpretation: Why do you have an issue with my theories that the scum weren't around or they just let mahaloth swing? What are your theories? We both know that, that would make Day 2 effectively Day 1. And it would start all over. The way we have it now is fine, you just need to be less serious over Day one votes. You have moved the goalposts again, somehow confusing Day one votes with Votes in general. You can split hairs here, and that's what you aren't seeing. So, you are saying imminent more trouble because I didn't jump on bandwagons, because I saw a huge vote change, and knew that I wanted no part in it? So you are pro "Me too" votes? Your position on day one votes is effectively one of absolution - for example, had cookies ended up being lynched and flipped town, you would be absolving yourself of all blame. I'm not sure I follow this at all. How does one absolve themselves of blame? Your post is coming,off as your,manifesto on how to corner the market on opportunism. You want to lynch all the people that voted for Mahaloth, and all the people who didn't. I'm scummy for leaving my vote where it is, I'm scummy if I move it. .... Do,I have this right?
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Post by texcat on Aug 27, 2013 10:48:14 GMT -5
I was hoping that town had a vig and that they would take out peeker last night. I do think that's an effective way to eliminate inactives. For the moment, I am going to return to Vote: peekerWell, after rereading Day One - a couple of other things stick out Swammer- I don't like the posting style and I don't feel it is pro town to post like that and the lack of posting towards the end of day is pinging me but not as much as Cookies - who spend the whole day posting but not voting, and then placing a one off vote and wasn't around towards the end of the day I must agree that the scum team were not around towards the end of Day One as I have never seen a scum go down with so little fight. It is my guess they didn't know one of their own was the lynch leader at day end. so far now Vote: cookies Patricia, I'm sorry to keep picking on you, but Cookies and Colby were tied with me for the lynch. If Cookies is scum, then your premise about the scum not knowing that one of their own was close to being lynched can't be true. [Style: Clue movie]Here's what really happened. Scum checked in on Wednesday evening or Thursday morning and saw the 3-way tie between me, Cookies, and Colby. "Ha!", they said, "we don't really care which of those three is lynched!" and didn't check back in later to see that the lynch had swung to Mahaloth, or in Dizzy's case checked in too late to do anything about it. [/style]
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 27, 2013 10:55:06 GMT -5
Oh Patricia, where to start.
First of all, there is no townie play book in which it says all townies must vote from amongst the lynch leaders. Second, only a vote or two separated the many lynch leaders from rest of the pack for most of the Day. Third, I voted for Swammer whom you apparently have suspicions of as well so you're being a hypocrite.
Also, I am far from the only one who was not around at Days end. Take a gander at the posts after the Dusk reveal.
But who was not online at that time doesn't really matter because this theory that scum _had_ to be absent is just that, a theory. And a pretty darn weak one IMHO. It is damn risky for scum to defend or attempt to save teammates in trouble.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 11:14:10 GMT -5
I was hoping that town had a vig and that they would take out peeker last night. I do think that's an effective way to eliminate inactives. For the moment, I am going to return to Vote: peekerWell, after rereading Day One - a couple of other things stick out Swammer- I don't like the posting style and I don't feel it is pro town to post like that and the lack of posting towards the end of day is pinging me but not as much as Cookies - who spend the whole day posting but not voting, and then placing a one off vote and wasn't around towards the end of the day I must agree that the scum team were not around towards the end of Day One as I have never seen a scum go down with so little fight. It is my guess they didn't know one of their own was the lynch leader at day end. so far now Vote: cookies Patricia, I'm sorry to keep picking on you, but Cookies and Colby were tied with me for the lynch. If Cookies is scum, then your premise about the scum not knowing that one of their own was close to being lynched can't be true. [Style: Clue movie]Here's what really happened. Scum checked in on Wednesday evening or Thursday morning and saw the 3-way tie between me, Cookies, and Colby. "Ha!", they said, "we don't really care which of those three is lynched!" and didn't check back in later to see that the lynch had swung to Mahaloth, or in Dizzy's case checked in too late to do anything about it. [/style] TL:DR "To make a long story short.... TOO LATE!"
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Post by BillMc on Aug 27, 2013 11:33:48 GMT -5
You want to lynch all the people that voted for Mahaloth, and all the people who didn't. I'm scummy for leaving my vote where it is, I'm scummy if I move it. .... Do,I have this right? I made no such statement about wanting lynch those who did or who didn't vote mahaloth; nor did I say that I found your vote scummy
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 12:04:57 GMT -5
You want to lynch all the people that voted for Mahaloth, and all the people who didn't. I'm scummy for leaving my vote where it is, I'm scummy if I move it. .... Do,I have this right? I made no such statement about wanting lynch those who did or who didn't vote mahaloth; nor did I say that I found your vote scummy Then I've obviously missed the intent of your case building against me.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 27, 2013 12:20:05 GMT -5
As we wait for the Meeko/Bill questions to get sorted out, I wanted to point out the Charlie is listed in the color as Night Owl II - which would imply a Night Owl one. I for one would like town to have another cop type role from which to get information. I agree that Gnarly probably has a counterpart Night Owl 1, but a) Investigator is very broad, and we don't know what sort of results Gnarly was going to get, b) we don't know if Night Owl 1 had that same power or if they still have it now that Gnarly is dead, and c) we don't know what alignment Night Owl 1 had before Gnarly died, and we don't know if that alignment may have changed now that Gnarly is dead. I have a suspicion that Gnarly and his partner have/had Lover-type roles, and that generally means that once they find eachother or once they die that there's an opportunity for alignment shift. I think it's perilous to assume that Night Owl 1 is an alignment or role cop, or is Town, or is 3rd party willing to help Town. In canon, Night Owl the first had retired from Superheroing and was fixing cars until he was beaten to death by some punks. Be that as it may. Vote: Colby11 Yes, he was one of the votes on Maha yesterday, but the things that were bothering me about his play yesterDay are still bothering me today: the wishy-washiness, the generally feeling out-of-characterness, and so forth.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 27, 2013 13:16:31 GMT -5
I made no such statement about wanting lynch those who did or who didn't vote mahaloth; nor did I say that I found your vote scummy Then I've obviously missed the intent of your case building against me. Come on now, Meeko. You are well aware that criticizing the play of others that you don't necessarily have suspicions about is not an insignificant facet of the game. Your justification for your vote was that you were simply complying with a sarcastic and joking request that I made based on apparently mutual annoyances in the last game. I even went out of my way to point out that I was joking and being sarcastic. It has the same accountability factor (i.e. none, nada, goose egge) as a random vote. This is what Bill has been taking you to task on. I honestly was surprised that you voted the way you did because I figured you would be loathe to get the criticisms that you're currently receiving. Maybe a joke vote in response on Night 0 when my joke was originally made and nothing really mattered. But not during actual gameplay. If I made a similar joke again now would you vote for me again?
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 27, 2013 14:32:55 GMT -5
There's not much I can say about Meeko's and Bill's spat, since it's ultimately a matter of gameplay preference rather than a genuine issue of who's scum and who's not, and the case against Colby relies too much on past experience with him I don't have. The vote against KidV is for pretty much the same reasons I was voting yesterday, so not much to add there. Patricia's vote against cookies is... reasonable? It's not strong, but whose case is at this point? I still like my vote where it is more, and cookies has some pretty decent counterarguments, but at least she's voting. I do have to say, though, that I don't care so much for Texcat's vote. As it says here, "Note that subs will be permitted until the end of Night Two only. After this time, players needing to be removed from the game will be modkilled." No sense wasting a lynch when it'll happen on its own without our intervention, or a replacement will be brought in today. We should focus on things that'll give us more information for now! Sinjin's being prepped to sub in anyway. Let's hunt some scum!
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Post by texcat on Aug 27, 2013 14:39:01 GMT -5
I thought it was generally frowned upon to read the Unspoiled comment thread that Fruit linked above.
But yeah I'll move my vote eventually. In the meantime, it's just a gentle reminder to be active and not lurk.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 27, 2013 14:43:11 GMT -5
Is it? News to me. I assumed anything game-sensitive or otherwise off-limits would be put on a private board.
Guess I'll stop checking new posts in the administrative board. Whoops!
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 27, 2013 15:02:03 GMT -5
As we wait for the Meeko/Bill questions to get sorted out, I wanted to point out the Charlie is listed in the color as Night Owl II - which would imply a Night Owl one. I for one would like town to have another cop type role from which to get information. Also, as Meeko is safe for the next day - I did want to throw out the idea that maybe he killed Charlie and was jailed as a result. What you all think? I don't know if it's true but it sounds good although why would he be rewarded for killing a non scummy person?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 27, 2013 15:47:51 GMT -5
What if the jail also blocks any (hypothetical) actions Meeko might be able to take? Why assume it's a reward? Maybe Meeko did something last night that triggered the trap. Maybe someone decided Meeko would be better off in jail. Maybe someone wanted to keep Meeko from acting and decided the trade-off -- keeping him from acting while also protecting him -- was a good idea? We only know he's protected from other actions: we don't know if he, himself, is prevented from acting.
(NB: I am making no assumption about Meeko's powers or lack thereof, merely pointing out that "jail" may not be as much of a reward as people are assuming. Everyone else's mileage may vary. Do not taunt happy fun Coyote.)
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 27, 2013 15:58:56 GMT -5
I'm going to double down and vote Swammer again Today. Vote Swammer
I believe the last thing that he posted was back on Day 1, to imply that I was somehow more of an annoying distraction that he:
And I know it is funny, because there is a little bit of honesty in the best comedy, because I'm going to Vote Swammer because the haikus are an annoying distraction. It wasn't a joke vote. I just happened to tell a joke while voting. I'm complex like that. Let me get this straight. Your explaining's just a joke.Mine are hard to read?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 27, 2013 16:05:57 GMT -5
Is it? News to me. I assumed anything game-sensitive or otherwise off-limits would be put on a private board. Guess I'll stop checking new posts in the administrative board. Whoops! Maybe it is a cultural thing, but many of us started playing this game over on the Straight Dope where there was a tradition of "Forbidden" threads where people watching the game (both spoiled and unspoiled) would hang out and point and laugh at the people playing. It has usually been on the honor system not to read those threads while you're playing, even though there is no way to technically prevent people from doing so. Since some spoiled people hang out there too, accidents have happened and some spoilers have been dropped in such threads. Sometimes observers are smart and puzzle things out that the players don't, and reading those threads can result in an advantage over people who don't read them. There has even been instances of cross-posting of living players in the Forbidden Threads. I like the honor system approach and I assume everyone else is playing by it, even if they aren't. It is just easier for me that way.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 27, 2013 20:45:45 GMT -5
*crickets*
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 21:30:56 GMT -5
Then I've obviously missed the intent of your case building against me. Come on now, Meeko. You are well aware that criticizing the play of others that you don't necessarily have suspicions about is not an insignificant facet of the game. Your justification for your vote was that you were simply complying with a sarcastic and joking request that I made based on apparently mutual annoyances in the last game. I even went out of my way to point out that I was joking and being sarcastic. It has the same accountability factor (i.e. none, nada, goose egge) as a random vote. This is what Bill has been taking you to task on. I honestly was surprised that you voted the way you did because I figured you would be loathe to get the criticisms that you're currently receiving. Maybe a joke vote in response on Night 0 when my joke was originally made and nothing really mattered. But not during actual gameplay. If I made a similar joke again now would you vote for me again? I am using a stricter definition of random, and my vote on you does not fit within it. That's as charitable as I can be with my position. Ask me nicely, and I just might. "Please sir, may I have another" would suffice. ;-)
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Post by Meeko on Aug 27, 2013 21:34:40 GMT -5
On a somewhat serious level:
Vote: PEEKER
Or do I need to have "reasons" here as well?
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 27, 2013 22:04:38 GMT -5
Pleo's already touched on this subject, and based on experience of passed games I think our meta-strategies are fairly well-aligned on this topic (though they have not always been), but how do the rest of you feel about 3rd parties vs PFKs? Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. Others have basically said it, but if you didn't realize it, Pleo started this day one claiming thing a few years ago. He either claims fully on the first day, does a partial claim with a hint(like this time), or once in awhile doesn't claim at all. It's a thing. So he definitely either claims or doesn't. Got it. Dear gawd that's a horrible smiley. I agree with theseBut KidV (and Texcat) don't. Scummy? Vote KidV I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? Is there something about your opinion that informs the rest of us what we should be doing to be good little Townies? Or is this a joke vote? Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... backing away slowly from the crazy man now. Let's have a chat when you're not drunk or whatever you are, hm? Well arguably lynching 3rd party players is pro-scum as it moves closer to the scum wincon without affecting the town one. So there's that. That's absolutely true, and I've already said that if we can trust a player claiming third party non-hostile is what they're claiming to be, that we can mostly leave them alone. But the problem comes in getting enough information to actually trust that claim. Scum want Town to trust 3rd party claims, because it makes it easier for them to false claim. I'd suppose you would actually notice all of their posts have been, you know. Haiku. Kind of feels like something quirky to me, so as it stands I'm reading this post as kinda snipey using their probable quirk as a means to discredit. Vote: KidVNo, actually I didn't notice he was posting in haiku, I was too busy being flabbergasted by his bizarre reasons for voting me (ie, we have a different opinion about whether to trust 3rd party claims, and now apparently because he's still mad over stuff that happened in a previous game). KidV has disappeared because I'm fucking flabbergasted at the votes I'm drawing. I'm used to Septimus/Swammerdami being a little unhinged, but I'm amazed that anybody can look at his interaction with me and decide that I'm the one that looks scummy enough to vote for. Anyway, I can't defend against "ooh that seems weird", and every time I try I draw another vote from somebody else, so fuck it. I'm done. If I happen to still be alive Day Two, great, I'm come play then. But screw SD for holding such a retarded grudge, screw the rest of you lazy voters that piled on, and the screw any of the rest of you that haven't called them out for shitty voting (at least one of you made a halfhearted attempt at it, so unscrew you, whoever you are). Swammerdammi's posts seem designed explicitly to obfuscate. I don't buy for a second that he thinks posting in Haiku is some sort of solution to the problem that nobody listens to him, and I wonder if he's really doing that to avoid showing scumtells. It's really no different than LIPS, and I'll definitely be voting for him if he keeps it up. BillMCs infrequent posting is problematic. It's not a scumtell, he travels for work and goes days without posting. But it presents an issue, because he's not here posting so that he can be evaluated. If he were scum, it'd be very hard for us to smell him out, and if I remember right he did get a scum win in a recent game on the Geeb, and nobody had a line on him because he only posted once or twice a Day. So while his lurking may be involuntary, it's still lurking, and it's anti-Town. It would be great if Bill would post more. Where's Peeker? Texcat, I wouldn't call Patricia's vote on you scummy. Are you voting for her because you think she's scum, or are you voting for her because you think her vote is silly? And on that note, Vote: Colby11 , for bandwagoning a bad vote that was placed for bandwagoning a bad vote.so kidv, this was the extent of your contributions yesterday. Whining about getting votes, attacking swammerdami without addressing what they said beyond 'oh no this is a grudge', and putting a vote on colby for 'bandwagoning (i.e. placing the second vote) on Mahaloth. As Texcat put it yesterday: Third, I don't understand your vote. I don't think Colby is bandwagoning a bad vote. I think he is agreeing with a good vote. My current running theory is that you DID try to save Mahaloth in some capacity by attacking one of his voters, but in a way that did precisely nothing to convey why his vote was bad or why Texcat voting mahaloth in the first place was bad. You didn't actually address any of the reasons for the votes on Mahaloth. In light of Maha's flip, your showing yesterday puts you pretty firmly at the top of my list of suspects. Side note aimed at things regarding bill: It kind of hit me thinking about it, but uh. would bill Not know the name of his faction if he were scum? I know this is a kind of silly thing to think about but I kind of can't get over that.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 27, 2013 23:03:25 GMT -5
To be honest with you, I'm surprised Bill made it through the night.
IDK what that means.
- No Vig to kill him? - Scum kept him around as a possible easy lynch for today?
I don't know if his slip is valuable, because as Paranoia said....If he were Scum then he would have known about the faction names?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 27, 2013 23:04:10 GMT -5
AKA, He's probably 3rd party, or just skimming a ton which with his work schedule is half possible.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 27, 2013 23:05:44 GMT -5
Oh and Pleo, at this point it's halfway through D2, at what point are you planning on revealing your "full claim" Are you sure you aren't a Woodpecker
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 28, 2013 0:08:28 GMT -5
Did Scum help Lynch Scum? Bus their own God-dad Day 1??? Don't Lynch Colby yet.
Bill's play seems fishy. But then, Bill is hard to read. Suspect Bill? Maybe.
"Kill Bill on Day 3 If Town, Lynch the scum he's named. If not ... we got Bill!"
Charlie's words are wise. (I'd even await Day 4.) Do not Lynch Bill yet.
One suspect remains. One whose play is anti-Town. Vote KidV again.
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Post by Jaade on Aug 28, 2013 1:30:59 GMT -5
I was coming in to say that I'm working my 4th 12 hour shift in a row and I can barely make sense out of the posts here, as my brain is fried. I'll be back to analyze and cast my vote tomorrow night when I'm off BUT
Damn it, swammerdami. Seriously. You need to stop. I have never wanted to vote for someone so badly just to alleviate a distraction. I don't find this posting style helpful to Town at all. If you're scum, keep it up. It will surely get you lynched at some point. That's one thing that frustrates me if you are Town. If you're Town, you're hurting us by causing a distraction and being completely unhelpful. I don't understand the point of your haikus, I don't think they are helping you be concise and they definitely give us nothing in the way of insight or helpful conversation.
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