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Post by swammerdami on Jul 12, 2014 10:39:24 GMT -5
I've been debating whether to make a partial role claim; the problem being that what I can say or want to say will just raise more questions than answers. But I'll make a very partial claim with two key facts:
I am in a non-Hostile Covenant. My win-con is compatible with Town victory, and I intend to ally with Town and play in the interest of The Way of the White.
While I do have some powers that can be very useful to Town, I also have severe weaknesses. For example, I cannot use the Replenishment Charm! I can be Replenished, but another Player would have to be the one to wield the Power and Replenish me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 12, 2014 11:21:58 GMT -5
Oh, and on consideration, I think I'm being too stingy with information. The Scum team has probably already figured it out from what I've said, so I'll just make it clear: The Detective is a mason, and that's how I know of a nonhostile third party. So you are WotW, but one of your fellow Masons is of a different, but Non-Hostile, covenant? Do you know this from your role description, or was this information communicated to you from the Detective himself? And I'm obviously biased, but I think that if sinjin (or any other Townie) is offered recruitment, it would be in her best interest to turn it down. I think that right now, Town is more likely to win than any other faction: A Detective with PM capability (and yes, our Detective has an adequate supply of soapstones) is extremely powerful, and I also think that it's overwhelmingly likely that we haven't actually seen a Scum kill yet. In other words, we're in a pretty strong position, for Night 2. I can't argue with any of the individual components here, but all put together like that something just rubs me wrong about this statement. It's just way too "rah rah go team!" for my tastes.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 12, 2014 11:37:33 GMT -5
Like MentalGuy, my role name is really what I would call a "class" (like a paladin, fighter or wizard in D&D) and not a name - "You are The .......". I don't know that this is all that significant, but I thought I'd mention it. My assumption is that most of us are similarly "classified".
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Post by Chronos on Jul 12, 2014 12:52:28 GMT -5
I'm really not sure how you got that from what I said. All Masons are WotW, and as I stated earlier, can't ordinarily leave the WotW. The way I know of the existence of another non-hostile is that the Detective investigated someone (as investigators are wont to do), and learned that person's covenant and the fact that that covenant is non-hostile.
In a game with voluntary recruitment, "rah rah go team" is a good thing. If a player perceives their team as weak, they're more likely to choose to abandon it, and so perceptions can, to some extent, become reality. Thus, if one's team is in a strong position, as I believe ours is, it is to one's advantage to make sure that fact is known.
And swammerdami is not the person I have knowledge of; I can neither confirm nor deny his claim to be in a non-hostile covenant. I am curious, though: When you say that you cannot use the Replenishment Charm, do you mean that you can't use miracles in general, that you can't use some other category of items that includes the Replenishment Charm, or that your role PM specifically calls out the charm as something you can't use? Well, actually, I'm curious about your entire role, but that'll do for a start.
As to whether someone else should use Replenishment on you... Well, that depends on just what you've got. It not only restores a person's humanity, but also recharges all of their items, which means that it would most efficiently be used on someone with a lot of charge-limited items.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 12, 2014 12:53:24 GMT -5
ok, i think i might be getting be getting kind of a grip on this beast. it's kind of like a one legged blind mazatlan. so anything you say privately via "soapstone" can get spread all over the durn place, right? so a lot of the stuff we are doing is still relegated to doing stuff in the main thread, right? signicantly if we take everyone at face value. maha just wants to sell some stuff for souls since that it is his wincon. chronos is a mason. apparantly another mason is also a detective (score that one jsexton). it seems like that person has got a result. mog don't lie.
and please don't call me an idiot but shoot this is confusing to me so to get this far this quick is damn amazing in my book.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 12, 2014 13:09:54 GMT -5
and chronos i totally hear you. it's why i lived so long in matzalan and never really had any chance. i am so accustomed to having a team that you stand by and then know that they have your back was part of the game growing up. now it's like et tu brute. www.youtube.com/watch?v=boanuwUMNNQsince it's still Night and we need to get the webs out of the way.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 12, 2014 15:05:23 GMT -5
Oh, another point: The Masons may at some point end up with surplus items, that we would not consider worthwhile to us personally (we all already have useful items which can be used repeatedly). Alternately, we might at some point think that the Scum are onto us, and want to pass on our own useful items for safekeeping. If this happens, we will give them, free, to someone whom we trust to be Town. If you would like to be considered for this, please let us know (either via public post or soapstone) what sorts of items you can use, and if we have any such items, we'll consider your request. I emphasize that this is completely voluntary, and if you don't want to share this information, I won't hold it against you.
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 12, 2014 15:35:54 GMT -5
If someone sends me a soapstone so that I receive it at the end of Night, I will send you one soul toMorrow.
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Post by guiri on Jul 12, 2014 15:50:59 GMT -5
(1) We don't know Mahaloth's alignment. He claims to be non-hostile, but we have no verification that he is non-hostile. He could be hostile. JHC! He's collecting souls! You know who else collects souls? That's right… Satan. You make some valid points but there aren't the things that bothered me about him. (2) Unless I missed something, no one raised the possibility that multiple parties targeted abstain. It's also possible that one or more other kill attempts failed. We all have souls, and most of us have no use for them, but the items offered by a merchant just might be useful. We have use for one soul, right? It would certainly help Town if we knew who those people were Agreed, it was Normal Phasa, aka Renata, who used to encourage friendly third parties to claim early if they intended to help Town rather than wait to be forced to claim, or found out by a cop. Souls are just money, unless anyone has any information that they mean more than that in this mafia game. I see everyone's point. I guess I thought of using a soul to activate a power as spending it like money. Hmm, like you, yourself, who needs souls in order to win the game, that's nothing like money, unless you're playing monopoly. WIN CONDITION: There are two members of the Merchant’s Guild; whichever holds the most souls when the game ends wins. The other loses. So Guiri since you are most probable up for elimination tonight, are you planning on claiming so that someone may unhollow you, or such? I don't have much to claim, I'm wotw, The Knight, with no special powers. The fact is that he CAN help town if we can get enough of his products. Yeah, but he's willing to collaborate with killers and share the loot, how many pro-town killers do you you think there could be? Mahaloth can (allegedly, though there's no reason to doubt that point) send any number of private messages to others. So why spam the thread with his advertisements? Lynching neutral third parties won't help unless they are helping scum. I didn't want to lynch him for exactly this reason - but was lynched for it. Are you the other merchant? If not, have you dealt with him and have a reason to think he needs to die? No, and no, I gave the reasons why his role bothers me. and chronos you continue to confuse me. so say someone wants to make a deal on one of maha's published items. so they do their deal however it gets down. now maha has one on the hook so he intimates that he has some other tastier stuff that he hasn't made public but is mas expensive. sure, it's probably just a stretch but just as much as "trust me". And I was starting to think that maybe I was being too paranoid! I am in a non-Hostile Covenant. My win-con is compatible with Town victory[...] Isn't that the same thing, why did you feel the need to say it twice?
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Post by Chronos on Jul 12, 2014 16:08:32 GMT -5
guiri, do you mean that you have no items/powers at all, or that you do, but they're nothing special? I presume that if you're a Knight, then you could use weapons and armor, if you had any?
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Post by Mahaloth on Jul 12, 2014 16:21:25 GMT -5
Guiti...I am playing monopoly. Sort of.
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Post by guiri on Jul 12, 2014 16:31:17 GMT -5
guiri, do you mean that you have no items/powers at all, or that you do, but they're nothing special? I presume that if you're a Knight, then you could use weapons and armor, if you had any? No powers at all, but yes, could use a subset of items.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 12, 2014 19:52:52 GMT -5
Ah. Sorry for the confusion. I had thought that message was in orange, since among the dozens of other bugs in this mobile app, none of the text formatting renders. what app are you using? i've been looking for one. In regards to the color posts: you may trust with 100% certainty anything posted in non-italicized text, including any reveals of role and/or alignment. Anything in italics is just color, and is there for fun. Attempt to interpret it at your own risk. thanks. guiri, do you mean that you have no items/powers at all, or that you do, but they're nothing special? I presume that if you're a Knight, then you could use weapons and armor, if you had any? No powers at all, but yes, could use a subset of items. any reason you haven't expressed interest in the merchant items? especially now that you're hollow.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 12, 2014 19:56:05 GMT -5
Night is over; posting Dawn shortly.
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