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Post by bufftabby on Jul 15, 2014 18:58:14 GMT -5
Setting aside the whole claimed mason thing which obviously makes Chronos a poor choice for an early lynch (do you hear me buff tabby ) To return a question you asked earlier, what do you believe to be Town's best course of action toDay? ETA: I'm not arguing with you; I would genuinely like to know.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 15, 2014 19:13:53 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot: I have something else to add. Last Night, I attempted to take an action (that is to say, use an item), but I was role-blocked. Mahaloth still had Emit Force as of Night 1 but did not have it on Day 2, which means that Night 2 was the first time it could have been used. Given that nobody else has claimed to have been role-blocked, I think it likely that the block on me came from use of Emit Force. If anyone has any way of tracking who has what item, or who has transferred souls to whom, or any other way of knowing who it was who bought Emit Force from Mahaloth, that would really help Town. I had originally intended to post this at the start of the Day, but wanted to hold off until Mahaloth posted his inventory to see if he still had Emit Force or if it came from some other source. But it slipped my mind, until now, that it was his inventory on previous Days/Nights that I really needed to look at. For anyone else keeping track: On Day 1, Mahaloth had Tranquil Walk of Peace, Replenishment, Burning Eye, Emit Force, Soothing Sunlight, Hush, Soul Forge, Aural Decoy, Soul Arrow, and Magic Shield. On Night 1, he had all these same items. On Day 2, he was missing Burning Eye (which is usable by Day or Night to determine the author of an orange message) and Emit Force (unlimited roleblocking) On Night 2, " all things are still for sale" (presumably other than those two). On Day 3, he's now missing Soul Forge (sorcery, makes up to two souls) as well. That's only three items sold, so even if we just knew a list of all of the people he has sold items to, that'd be a big help. One thing that occurs to me: It seems from what he's said that there was a bidding war for Emit Force (not surprising: that was probably the most useful of his items). That would suggest that it sold for two (or more) souls, not just one. And Night 1 (when it was sold) was before anyone had a chance to take any extra souls through violence, and only just enough time for souls to be transferred voluntarily. This in turn suggests that whoever bought it, probably used all the souls they had to do so. If someone now has no souls, then, it looks a bit fishy for them, if they can't account for it some other way. Anyone have any way to figure that one out? My first idea is for everyone to transfer a soul to the next person on the list, and if someone doesn't receive one, that's a warning sign... but that'd require cooperation from everyone in the game to work, and I know that never happens.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 15, 2014 19:18:03 GMT -5
and sach i am sorry if i am too calm for your liking. but because of physical challenges i have become a profit center for all of the drug companies in north america. one week i might not sleep for a couple of days. the next week i might sleep for 40 hours or so straight through. sadly the physical effects are devestating but the effects on the mind are even more troubling. it's why it frustrates me when sin gets irritated with me for apparantly asking the same question multiple times. some things just don't connect the way they used to. if i shouldn't play any more just let me know. i don't want to be a rain cloud on anyone's parade. I didn't mean 'I don't like it' in the sense that I'm annoyed; I meant 'I don't like it' in the sense that I believe it is a possible indicator of scum alignment. Just to emphasize this: I did not vote peeks because he irritated me. I voted him because his posting seemed to me to be posting for the sake of posting. No new questions, no new content.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 15, 2014 20:06:16 GMT -5
understood sin. it's that things don't quite connect anymore. i guess i should just shut up and posit.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 15, 2014 21:53:02 GMT -5
understood sin. it's that things don't quite connect anymore. i guess i should just shut up and posit. This is NOT what I want. Unvote: peekerNot withstanding; If you are dissing me I will vote you every single day of every single game I ever play with you ever again. Even if we are scum buddies some time in the future. I hold grudges forever.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 15, 2014 21:54:49 GMT -5
Wait, what was that?
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Post by nesta on Jul 15, 2014 22:57:43 GMT -5
Just my way of saying I have zero familiarity with Dark Souls. Was that all there was to it? If so, I'm surprised. I was expecting that recruitment, especially to what seems to be an anti-town covenant, would offer an incentive, or a punishment, for not accepting. It would seem an uphill battle for a covenant to recruit anyone away from their known wincon to an unknown one without something to offer. If you received this last Night, I'm curious if someone received an orb Night 1 and didn't report it.
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Post by nesta on Jul 15, 2014 23:06:18 GMT -5
I agree that BillMc was probably the scum kill.. whether through coordinated half-kills or a single double-kill. I don't see multiple third parties or vigilantes choosing him.
With two half-kills, a claimed other half-kill, and a full-kill during the Night, and a half-kill lynch during the Day, that comes to three full kills a cycle. Some of those could have been one-offs, but there may be more out there, including Mahaloth's Soul Arrow, and there's always the other merchant. If my count is correct we have 19.5 players at the moment, so with just kills that could take us to D10.
That seems a little long. Of course, it would probably be over before then due to wincons, but my guess is there's even more death planned.
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 15, 2014 23:09:41 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot: I have something else to add. Last Night, I attempted to take an action (that is to say, use an item), but I was role-blocked. Mahaloth still had Emit Force as of Night 1 but did not have it on Day 2, which means that Night 2 was the first time it could have been used. Given that nobody else has claimed to have been role-blocked, I think it likely that the block on me came from use of Emit Force. If anyone has any way of tracking who has what item, or who has transferred souls to whom, or any other way of knowing who it was who bought Emit Force from Mahaloth, that would really help Town. I had originally intended to post this at the start of the Day, but wanted to hold off until Mahaloth posted his inventory to see if he still had Emit Force or if it came from some other source. But it slipped my mind, until now, that it was his inventory on previous Days/Nights that I really needed to look at. For anyone else keeping track: On Day 1, Mahaloth had Tranquil Walk of Peace, Replenishment, Burning Eye, Emit Force, Soothing Sunlight, Hush, Soul Forge, Aural Decoy, Soul Arrow, and Magic Shield. On Night 1, he had all these same items. On Day 2, he was missing Burning Eye (which is usable by Day or Night to determine the author of an orange message) and Emit Force (unlimited roleblocking) On Night 2, " all things are still for sale" (presumably other than those two). On Day 3, he's now missing Soul Forge (sorcery, makes up to two souls) as well. That's only three items sold, so even if we just knew a list of all of the people he has sold items to, that'd be a big help. One thing that occurs to me: It seems from what he's said that there was a bidding war for Emit Force (not surprising: that was probably the most useful of his items). That would suggest that it sold for two (or more) souls, not just one. And Night 1 (when it was sold) was before anyone had a chance to take any extra souls through violence, and only just enough time for souls to be transferred voluntarily. This in turn suggests that whoever bought it, probably used all the souls they had to do so. If someone now has no souls, then, it looks a bit fishy for them, if they can't account for it some other way. Anyone have any way to figure that one out? My first idea is for everyone to transfer a soul to the next person on the list, and if someone doesn't receive one, that's a warning sign... but that'd require cooperation from everyone in the game to work, and I know that never happens. Mahaloth allowed groups of players to go together to buy things. I am guessing that some group (likely the scum) went together and purchased Emit Force. They would not have necessarily had to transfer the souls to each other, they could have each sent souls to Mahaloth to get the total price. Whether they had excess souls or not, I don't know, but it is possible that a group could have bought it and most of them still have souls.
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Post by nesta on Jul 15, 2014 23:11:35 GMT -5
The more I think about this the more I'm troubled by it. bufftabby, why did you feel that lynching Chronos was the best move for town to make during Day Two? My Day One suspicions were aroused when he was discussing "punishing" anti-Town play. As I said at the time My suspicion of Chronos continued into Day Two, despite the mason claim. I didn't find anyone else suspicious based on the small number of posts that Day, although I didn't care for swammerdammi's poor attitude toward Chronos that Day. I found that to be somewhat anti-game, but not an alignment indication. I did not love putting down a Day-old leftover vote, but with no particular lynch choice looming, and the knowledge that I would be unavailable for most of the Day after that, Chronos was who I wanted to leave my vote on. bufftabby, what are your current thoughts on Chronos? You've been the the most outspoken about not believing his claim. In your D2.32 post you said: That seems to imply a strongly held belief that Chronos is scum, with only mod confirmation as a way to convince you. Do you still feel this way?
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Post by nesta on Jul 15, 2014 23:15:03 GMT -5
On that note, despite my personal mortality, my single-player Covenant is Unkillable. The player I designate in my Last Will and Testament will pick up the flag when I fall! Anyone who is dissatisfied with their present Covenant, wants exciting and awesome Powers, and a win-con with no enemies, please PM me. One thing's for sure: any recruit will not play for my Covenant as badly as I have. So you are a survivor role that can pass it on in death? I guess that's possible in this crazy game. I'm tempted to believe it, but it sure sounds like it might be an exclusive PFK type role. If your role is so great, and not a threat to any other covenant, why not just full claim here? You called out abstain repeatedly for his weak claim, so you should understand why more information is better. If your wincon is completely neutral it would be in your best interest to get off everyone's radar.
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Post by nesta on Jul 15, 2014 23:25:32 GMT -5
One thing that occurs to me: It seems from what he's said that there was a bidding war for Emit Force (not surprising: that was probably the most useful of his items). That would suggest that it sold for two (or more) souls, not just one. And Night 1 (when it was sold) was before anyone had a chance to take any extra souls through violence, and only just enough time for souls to be transferred voluntarily. This in turn suggests that whoever bought it, probably used all the souls they had to do so. If someone now has no souls, then, it looks a bit fishy for them, if they can't account for it some other way. Anyone have any way to figure that one out? My first idea is for everyone to transfer a soul to the next person on the list, and if someone doesn't receive one, that's a warning sign... but that'd require cooperation from everyone in the game to work, and I know that never happens. That's an interesting thought. The only way I could see it applying, though, is if someone knows (or can know) what souls were directly sent to Mahaloth. There are too many assumptions in there to make a player's current number of souls, or lack thereof, worth much. Since the sell happened Night 1 there has been more than enough time for subsequent transfers to take place, some players might have started with no souls, and I think you are forgetting that there's another merchant. There are plenty of other scenarios where the number of current souls doesn't equate to any particular purchase. Still though, if you are being truthful about being blocked, whoever did that was probably scum. I think anyone with information that could unravel who could have blocked you should step forward.
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 16, 2014 0:05:42 GMT -5
Unvote: Guiri
Right now I have the feeling that scum could possibly be laying low. I would if I could. Laying no votes would be how I would play it, instead of throwing darts on the wall and hoping one sticks. I feel lost... Maybe because of this stupid phone... Maybe because I'm not completely vested into the game.
But, right now I have to find scum, because that is how I will win, as a member of the way of the white. The nonactive players are who I am targeting.
Vote: Patricia
This is mainly because of her "vote" Day 1 on a moderator
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Post by guiri on Jul 16, 2014 3:38:53 GMT -5
swammerdami, please provide more information about your covenant and your assertion: "The player I designate in my Last Will and Testament will pick up the flag when I fall!" You seem to be looking for a volunteer to take it over but what happens if no-one volunteers and you die? Or if you die before designating someone? Of if the person you designate doesn't accept? It can't automatically be passed to another player as that would break the voluntary recruitment promise: "no player will ever change Covenants (this game’s term for alignment) involuntarily". It can't be passed to another player as a option because each player could simply opt out. So did you mean something else when you referred to your covenant as unkillable? Or is this not a covenant at all?
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Post by guiri on Jul 16, 2014 3:44:42 GMT -5
As I rereading the previous days, I noticed that Guiri asked abstain if he could release Swammer from his covenant. When I asked about it, Guiri says he meant Mahaloth instead of Swammer. But we now know that Swammer does actually claim to be in a third-party covenant. So, was it really a mistake, or is there something more going on here. I asked specifically about Mahaloth because abstain's claim to be able to help players leave their covenant seemed to conflict with Mahaloth's claim to be unable to leave until one of the two merchants was dead. I just mixed up the names when asking the question...
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Post by swammerdami on Jul 16, 2014 4:26:36 GMT -5
swammerdami, please provide more information about your covenant and your assertion: "The player I designate in my Last Will and Testament will pick up the flag when I fall!" You seem to be looking for a volunteer to take it over but what happens if no-one volunteers and you die? Or if you die before designating someone? Of if the person you designate doesn't accept? ... I am NOT going to post my entire role PM. Even if I thought it harmless to do so, I don't want to prejudge the preferences of any recruit. But here is a relevant part of my role PM: There is also mention of the possibility that a player will "pick up my abandoned [item(s)]" and continue the Covenant, but I don't know if this applies in the case that nominee declines. Thus my Covenant will always have zero or one living Player in it. If zero at the end of the game, the Covenant loses; if one, the Covenant (including its dead members) might win. I expect to be Killed soon and will need to choose a recruit. I'd like to do that soon, so I can first give him/her all my Souls and Soapstones. Question for Mods: If a Player sends a PM to transfer souls and/or soapstones to another Player during a Night when the Player is Killed, do the transfers go through?If the answer is No, I may wish to give souls and soapstones to my recruit, if any, toDay while I'm still alive.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 16, 2014 5:51:37 GMT -5
understood sin. it's that things don't quite connect anymore. i guess i should just shut up and posit. This is NOT what I want. Unvote: peekerNot withstanding; If you are dissing me I will vote you every single day of every single game I ever play with you ever again. Even if we are scum buddies some time in the future. I hold grudges forever. I apologize for this remark.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 16, 2014 7:41:09 GMT -5
My Day One suspicions were aroused when he was discussing "punishing" anti-Town play. As I said at the time My suspicion of Chronos continued into Day Two, despite the mason claim. I didn't find anyone else suspicious based on the small number of posts that Day, although I didn't care for swammerdammi's poor attitude toward Chronos that Day. I found that to be somewhat anti-game, but not an alignment indication. I did not love putting down a Day-old leftover vote, but with no particular lynch choice looming, and the knowledge that I would be unavailable for most of the Day after that, Chronos was who I wanted to leave my vote on. bufftabby, what are your current thoughts on Chronos? You've been the the most outspoken about not believing his claim. In your D2.32 post you said: That seems to imply a strongly held belief that Chronos is scum, with only mod confirmation as a way to convince you. Do you still feel this way? I've found him to be the most suspicious, which is not the same thing as being certain of his alignment. My suspicion has always been in spite of his mason claim, not because of it. "In spite" being because his mason claim is unconvincing to me and therefore does not allay my suspicions. Yes, I would be convinced if he were dead, wouldn't you? The same goes for almost any other player at the moment. I'm not convinced of much of anything. My current thoughts are that I'm still suspicious of Chronos, but singlemindedly voting the same person Day after Day when no one else is willing to test his claim seems pointless. Even if my suspicions are correct, there are other scum out there and I would be remiss in not hunting them as well.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 16, 2014 7:53:07 GMT -5
It's about time for me to be getting a vote down. I'm getting bad vibes from a number of players, but I think it's strongest for peeker. Not only is he not really participating, but he's anti-participating: He's got plenty of posts, but almost none of them relevant. He started off the game mostly just talking about puppies, then he transitioned to talking about things that were already thoroughly settled and ignoring anything where there was real discussion. What could Mahaloth's role possibly be? Most likely, exactly what he's claimed. What could it possibly mean for the mod to say that sinjin is Town? Overwhelmingly likely, that someone used a power to cause sinjin's alignment to be revealed. Asking questions like this doesn't help Town at all, nd clutters up the board with irrelevancies... but it is consistent with a player who's decided "to just screw with everyone".
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 16, 2014 7:53:33 GMT -5
Unvote: Guiri Right now I have the feeling that scum could possibly be laying low. I would if I could. Laying no votes would be how I would play it, instead of throwing darts on the wall and hoping one sticks. I feel lost... Maybe because of this stupid phone... Maybe because I'm not completely vested into the game. But, right now I have to find scum, because that is how I will win, as a member of the way of the white. The nonactive players are who I am targeting. Vote: Patricia This is mainly because of her "vote" Day 1 on a moderator You seem to be jumping from one bandwagon to another, with flimsy reasons all around. And I always raise an eyebrow when a player makes sure to remind us that they are Town. vote Colby11[/font color] I want to take a closer look at Colby11's other posts as well, but I need to earn my keep at work for a bit first.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 16, 2014 7:53:52 GMT -5
Oh, right, I forgot to put in the actual vote. Vote: peekercpa
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Post by texcat on Jul 16, 2014 7:56:30 GMT -5
Vote totals
Patricia(3): peeker[84], dizzymrslizzy[86], Colby[102] Meeko(2): Guiri[45], swammerdami[63] Colby(2): MentalGuy[65], bufftabby[109] peeker(1): sinjin[23-94], Chronos[110] Guiri(0): Colby[41-102]
Day will end at 12:30PM Eastern time tomorrow, Thursday, July 17.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 16, 2014 9:31:05 GMT -5
Setting aside the whole claimed mason thing which obviously makes Chronos a poor choice for an early lynch (do you hear me buff tabby ) To return a question you asked earlier, what do you believe to be Town's best course of action toDay? ETA: I'm not arguing with you; I would genuinely like to know.[/quote] I believe it would be best for everyone to give opinions about everyone else. While it's nice to know that buff tabby doesn't trust Chronos (and really, that isn't a problem, Chronos is riding the claimed Mason card hard, I just don't think it is something we need to deal with or should deal with right now). What I would love to know is what buff tabby thinks of Cookies or what swammerdami thinks of Mental Guy or what anyone thinks about anyone else. Most everyone is being reactive. That is, only looking at posts and trying to find scum based on what people say. That's why posting nothing is so effective. I think a very important part of creating suspect lists is to look at each player and consider what they are not saying. (I don't mean silence, but lack of participation in a particular conversation that a Townie should be vocal in). It's a pipe dream, I know, but that's what I think would be best for Town. Was that all there was to it? If so, I'm surprised. I was expecting that recruitment, especially to what seems to be an anti-town covenant, would offer an incentive, or a punishment, for not accepting. It would seem an uphill battle for a covenant to recruit anyone away from their known wincon to an unknown one without something to offer. If you received this last Night, I'm curious if someone received an orb Night 1 and didn't report it. Good point here. I believe in the past, refusing recruitment had a bit more of a bite, that is, convert or die. The target still had a choice to stay with the current win condition, but would pay a price. That said, lying about something so basic would be a terrible move by Cookies. I can't believe Cookies would make such an error. The next Townie to get a red orb would easily be able to expose Cookies as a liar. The only way the play makes sense is if Cookies knows that no one else will be recruited in the same manner she was, which is possible, but if all future reports of attempted conversion contradict her or if there are no future reports, then I'd be pushing for a Cookies lynch.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 16, 2014 9:55:31 GMT -5
Oh, I almost forgot: I have something else to add. Last Night, I attempted to take an action (that is to say, use an item), but I was role-blocked. Mahaloth still had Emit Force as of Night 1 but did not have it on Day 2, which means that Night 2 was the first time it could have been used. Given that nobody else has claimed to have been role-blocked, I think it likely that the block on me came from use of Emit Force. If anyone has any way of tracking who has what item, or who has transferred souls to whom, or any other way of knowing who it was who bought Emit Force from Mahaloth, that would really help Town. I had originally intended to post this at the start of the Day, but wanted to hold off until Mahaloth posted his inventory to see if he still had Emit Force or if it came from some other source. But it slipped my mind, until now, that it was his inventory on previous Days/Nights that I really needed to look at. For anyone else keeping track: On Day 1, Mahaloth had Tranquil Walk of Peace, Replenishment, Burning Eye, Emit Force, Soothing Sunlight, Hush, Soul Forge, Aural Decoy, Soul Arrow, and Magic Shield. On Night 1, he had all these same items. On Day 2, he was missing Burning Eye (which is usable by Day or Night to determine the author of an orange message) and Emit Force (unlimited roleblocking) On Night 2, " all things are still for sale" (presumably other than those two). On Day 3, he's now missing Soul Forge (sorcery, makes up to two souls) as well. That's only three items sold, so even if we just knew a list of all of the people he has sold items to, that'd be a big help. One thing that occurs to me: It seems from what he's said that there was a bidding war for Emit Force (not surprising: that was probably the most useful of his items). That would suggest that it sold for two (or more) souls, not just one. And Night 1 (when it was sold) was before anyone had a chance to take any extra souls through violence, and only just enough time for souls to be transferred voluntarily. This in turn suggests that whoever bought it, probably used all the souls they had to do so. If someone now has no souls, then, it looks a bit fishy for them, if they can't account for it some other way. Anyone have any way to figure that one out? My first idea is for everyone to transfer a soul to the next person on the list, and if someone doesn't receive one, that's a warning sign... but that'd require cooperation from everyone in the game to work, and I know that never happens. I don't recall the statement about bidding war for Emit Force. If true, that is quite interesting. I do recall that Mahaloth stated something along the lines of pooling resources to make a bid. Pooling resources seems like a scum thing to do (not because it is scummy, but because scum are in a better position to coordinate). I suppose a non-scum non-Town faction could have pooled resources to get Emit Force as well, but any non-Town faction that knows who each other are sounds Town-hostile to me. Anyway. I wonder if that prompted Mahaloth to publicly state that combined offers would be accepted. Obviously Mahaloth wants the highest price, but the consequence is that the only groups equipped to organize such a combined offer are Masons, scum, and non-Town covenants who know who each other are. So since Chronos claims that the Masons don't have Emit Force, it makes sense that a town-hostile faction has it. The alternate explanation is that Chronos is a liar and the real Masons bought Emit Force and are using it on Chronos because they know he is a liar. (To which I say, the longer Chronos goes without a counterclaim the more I believe him).
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 16, 2014 9:55:42 GMT -5
ok sach i'll play a touch.
hal no read. is even still in the game patricia no read i don't know that she has really made any posts either meeko seems to have calmed down a lot over the years. i don't if this is evolution or something else. cookies caustic but has the strength of her convictions chronos i think he as pulled the anti town thing out his butt ever game i have ever played with him sin we lock horns every game so that seems normal colby seems to get his foot out of one pile and just as quickly turn around and put the other foot in another pile sach well reasoned but not always correct
those are the ones off the top of my head.
and btw. chronos the puppies and rescuing them are a big part of my life so you know what FUCK OFF
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 16, 2014 10:09:48 GMT -5
peeker, in my opinion, that was out of line.
Also, there are over 20 living players. If we restrict ourselves to only considering the ones off the top of our heads (I've done that too in the past), then we aren't going to get anywhere. That's kind of the point of making sure we consider EVERYONE. Then the hiders get exposed. The ones keeping their nose exceedingly clean get exposed. You get the idea.
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Post by patricia on Jul 16, 2014 10:30:41 GMT -5
OOG - Hello all, I must start by saying sorry I haven't posted or even read the thread as of yet. When the game started I had company in from out of town then the day they left my hard drive on my laptop went out. I did try to follow along on my phone but everything was just too small - or I'm just too old. Anyway, I'm back and as soon as I have read the posts I will be back in the game. OOG
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Post by Chronos on Jul 16, 2014 10:52:10 GMT -5
peeker, I don't have any problem with you working with animals. It's a good thing to do. It just has absolutely nothing to do with what's going on in this thread, which is a Mafia game. If, due to the puppies, you're too busy to participate in this game, then tell Storyteller that you'd like to withdraw. But don't say that you're too busy to participate, and then spend all that time telling us that you're too busy to participate.
patricia (or anyone else catching up on the game), would you like a copy of my notes? I'm afraid that, without spoiler tags, they take up quite a bit of space.
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 16, 2014 10:53:28 GMT -5
sach i see your point. the problem that i have always have had and has been exacerbated through time is that i tend to focus on certain individuals. one of my greatest among many of my weaknesses that i have in this game. sure we have mental, swammer, gnarly, buff, chamo, suburban, maha, nesta, guiri, nesta, sister and inner. i think that's it.
and excuses are like belly buttons. everyone has one. but i am grumpy this morning. and i don't think i have spammed this thread with puppy posts. it's something that is near, dear and important to me. and frankly most of you folks are some of the better "friends" that i have left so like sharing what little success i sometimes achieve. but you are right.
apologies are extended to chronos. that was over the top and totally uncalled for. you were just stating what you felt. so much like my response to sin i just need to step back and take a deep breath and re-evaluate my play and determine if current conditions have made me more likely to act in an anti game fashion.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 16, 2014 10:57:08 GMT -5
Oh, and while it's generally a good thing for players to go down the whole list and post their opinions on everyone (even if that opinion is just "no read"), I do not think that I personally shall do so, as that would be likely to give Scum strong clues as to the identity of the other masons. And for the record, I don't particularly mind if buffytabby or others retain some suspicions of me: While my claim and the lack of a counterclaim are evidence in my favor, they are not proof. It's OK, I'll die eventually.
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