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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 17, 2014 14:11:15 GMT -5
Dark Souls
Chapter 3: Night – Lower Undead Burg They head down a very long, winding staircase leading away from the Undead Parish, to a dingy alleyway in the Lower Undead Burg. The alley is populated by knife-wielding thieves and snarling, rabid dogs, but the group cuts through them like a hot knife through snarling rabid dogs. At the far end of the alley is a strange gate made of fog. As the patsy designated by vote, Meeko is first through the gate. Within two seconds, he is set upon by two rabid dogs, then disemboweled by an anthropomorphic goat demon with two giant swords. Meeko is now HOLLOW. The rest of them pile through the gate, short on his heels. The dogs are swiftly slain. The Capra Demon – for so the goat creature is called – falls in a hail of swords and spears and axes. When it finally lays slain, they pause. Then they use 21st century resuscitation techniques to bring it back to life. Then they kill it again. Then they chop it up into tiny pieces, and bury the pieces in different locations. Then they draw insulting pictures of the Capra Demon on the building walls and make fun of its mother.
The Capra Demon, you guys, is an asshole.
It’s only later, as they dine on hearty portions of rabid dog jerky, that they notice that somebody took a second, more definitive, whack at Meeko. Meeko, who was Big Hat Logan, a part of the Darkwraith Covenant (Hostile), is more than mostly dead.
------- Announcement time. Everything here and below can be trusted absolutely. First: Inner Stickler and Sister Coyote have both been modkilled. Both belonged to the same Covenant; they were the only members of that Covenant and they never acted in any way. Thus we are simply going to remove them from the game as if they never started. In an effort to preserve balance, the name and alignment of their Covenant will not be revealed at this time. As Hal Briston has participated, albeit in a limited fashion, I am going to give him until the end of Night Three to rejoin. Second: Night Three will end on Saturday, July 19, at 12:30PM Eastern time. FINALLY: Two objects now hang in your camp. They are discs – like medals – made of some sort of white-gold metal. Engraved on each is the image of the sun, with a sword in the foreground. It is clear that taking up either of these medals will cause a player to run with a brand new crowd, though the nature of this new Covenant is unclear.
Any player who is eligible for recruitment may choose to (privately) pick up a medal by PMing the moderators; this will result in a change of Covenant (it may, or may not, come with additional goodies). You may not pick up a medal if you are not eligible for recruitment. If more than two players show interest in the medals, the conflict will be resolved by a non-random method not to be disclosed at this time. The group at large will know whether the medals have been picked up, but not by whom.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 17, 2014 14:20:05 GMT -5
so if i understand you correctly sach it is better to lynch someone for no reason at all rather than based on evidence even if it may not be complete. NO. Not at all. The so-called evidence isn't merely incomplete. It's being misinterpreted. The fact that gnarlycharlie targeted guiri is being abused to railroad someone with very little time for discussion at the end of the Day. MAJOR facets of the circumstances are BEING IGNORED. gnarlycharlie was not given a chance to respond to the accusations. (Although his terse reply towards the end of the Day was not too encouraging) It isn't a matter of incomplete information its a matter of only looking at part of the information and ignoring the rest, twisting what is there in spite of ameliorating details. Guiri was Lynched on Day Two for pete's sake! Even if gnarlycharlie did something aggressive against guiri, how is that at all anti-town? THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 17, 2014 14:35:52 GMT -5
I can confirm Cookies's version of events regarding a red orb appearing. A red orb has appeared for me this Night, just now. I cannot say whether Cookies accepted the red orb or not, but I can state that there are no conditions or penalties for declining the red orb. I obviously can't prove that, but you know… information and stuff. I recall Cookies stating something about the red orb being related to the Darkwraith Covenant (which we now know to be hostile). That with the fact that Meeko was a member of the Darkwraith Covenant and is now dead makes taking the red orb a very bad idea. Personally, I can't handle being scum, so I'll have none of that. I am declining the red orb by pocket veto.
It's really kind of a strange game mechanic and I'm not fully understanding what storyteller is thinking in regards to this type of blind recruitment. This in addition to the medals which is also a blind recruitment with no indication if the pasture is greener on the other side is puzzling. At least for me, I don't see why anyone (wayofthewhite) would accept these recruitments. The only reason I would accept recruitment is if I felt my current win condition was unobtainable, and I don't think that is true for anyone who is way of the white.
I could see someone taking a recruitment item for shits and giggles though.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 17, 2014 15:21:59 GMT -5
There's something slightly troubling about the Dusk Announcement Post. It’s only later, as they dine on hearty portions of rabid dog jerky, that they notice that somebody took a second, more definitive, whack at Meeko. Meeko, who was Big Hat Logan, a part of the Darkwraith Covenant (Hostile), is more than mostly dead.
------- Announcement time. Everything here and below can be trusted absolutely. First: The note telling us "Everything here and below can be trusted absolutely" appears just after the notice telling us that Meeko is dead. Now, the information regarding Meeko (his Hollowing and his Death) is not italicized, so I'm pretty sure that means it's 'real'...but I had to raise an eyebrow at the way this was presented. For that matter, I hope that "more than mostly dead" is equivalent to "not only merely dead, but really quite sincerely dead". Somebody better go through his clothes and look for loose change just to be sure.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 17, 2014 15:34:08 GMT -5
Okay so here's where I sit at the moment. Sachertorte I fully agree with you that we are short information. Information that at this point we should have.
-1- I think Chronos's watcher should out himself. We have a bunch of claimed Town that it shouldn't be that big of a deal. It would give a little credibility to Chronos's claim.
-2- I want an answer what this meant?
-3- GnarlyCharlie needs to come clean as to what he did or did not do on Night 2. Otherwise he stays suspect.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 17, 2014 15:49:27 GMT -5
I'm taking the Meeko reveal as truth. I have no interest in playing a game where the moderator lies to the players on technicalities. Not fun, so I'm completely ignoring the possibility. If I'm wrong, I don't care and don't want to be here.
I sympathize with the skepticism that Chronos has received, but really, what do you need to believe a Mason Claim? No one has counterclaimed Chronos. No real mason would have let Chronos lead the discussion so much for so long. Therefore the only possibility of Chronos lying is if there are no Masons in the game at all and no townie was given information about there being no Masons in the game. I don't believe storyteller would create such a game. To do so would be a phenomenal waste of everyones time. But I get it. Theres that teeny tiny bit that keeps nagging me, "he could be lying!" but at some point you just have to round up and set that teeny tiny part aside. We can't make moves based on that teeny tiny part.
I do agree that MentalGuy dropped a magic bag. But I also feel that his tight lipped approach is more indicative of Town alignment than something else.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 17, 2014 15:55:39 GMT -5
-1- I think Chronos's watcher should out himself. We have a bunch of claimed Town that it shouldn't be that big of a deal. It would give a little credibility to Chronos's claim. I strongly disagree. The Watcher coming out would only serve to give the Darkwraiths a good target. I feel pretty safe believing that the Watcher contacted Chronos and gave him the info that he shared. What good does it do for the Tracker to claim? I only see harm to Town from that.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 17, 2014 16:02:57 GMT -5
OK, I'm back. First off, I want to make clear that I didn't think that gnarly was a great lynch. Ideally, we would have heard an explanation from him, and in time to decide based on that explanation, and the mystery visitor would have been a much better lynch target. That said, though, we can't vote "Lynch Mystery Visitor", we didn't know that his visit was benign, and I, personally, tend to distrust players who are taking actions privately while keeping a low profile publicly, so I thought at the time that gnarly was a better lynch than the other candidates.
I have now been contacted by gnarly with an explanation of his action. The explanation given certainly sounds plausible, and is consistent with all of the evidence, and if true it was not malicious... but I'm not yet sure whether it's to Town's advantage for me to reveal it. I'll have to think on that, and will decide whether to reveal by the end of the Night.
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Post by guiri on Jul 17, 2014 16:03:42 GMT -5
Whoa, great news about Meeko!
Got some catching up to do, and need to shave for toNight!
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 17, 2014 16:06:31 GMT -5
so if i understand you correctly sach it is better to lynch someone for no reason at all rather than based on evidence even if it may not be complete. NO. Not at all. The so-called evidence isn't merely incomplete. It's being misinterpreted. The fact that gnarlycharlie targeted guiri is being abused to railroad someone with very little time for discussion at the end of the Day. MAJOR facets of the circumstances are BEING IGNORED. gnarlycharlie was not given a chance to respond to the accusations. (Although his terse reply towards the end of the Day was not too encouraging) It isn't a matter of incomplete information its a matter of only looking at part of the information and ignoring the rest, twisting what is there in spite of ameliorating details. Guiri was Lynched on Day Two for pete's sake! Even if gnarlycharlie did something aggressive against guiri, how is that at all anti-town? THIS IS RIDICULOUS! I know I said yesterDay that I didn't disagree with a gnarlycharlie vote at that point, based on the Tracker's information. But I think you're absolutely right here. That whole situation would be better to hash out toMorrow than in a frenzy at the end of yesterDay. I considered changing my vote to gnarly or dizzy at the end of the Day, but I'm glad I didn't. There's a larger discussion to be had there, for sure, besides your excellent point regarding Town motivations for attacking guiri.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jul 17, 2014 16:36:40 GMT -5
Sorry, didn't mean to be unclear. Meeko is dead, out of the game, and shan't be returning. I will never lie directly, and only ever playfully mislead in the italicized flavor text.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 17, 2014 16:38:13 GMT -5
I have now been contacted by gnarly with an explanation of his action. The explanation given certainly sounds plausible, and is consistent with all of the evidence, and if true it was not malicious... but I'm not yet sure whether it's to Town's advantage for me to reveal it. I'll have to think on that, and will decide whether to reveal by the end of the Night. This right here is a bunch of BS. I'm not sure if it's BS on gnarly's part, or on yours, but it's BS either way. I don't recall the Town electing Chronos as the conduit through which all information should flow. But it appears that we now have multiple parties reporting information privately to Chronos, who then makes a unilateral decision on how much, if any, of that information should be shared with the rest of us. It may or may not be "in the Town's best interest" to do it this way, but I can't be the only person who thinks it doesn't feel right...
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Post by peekercpa on Jul 17, 2014 16:56:54 GMT -5
i am going to go along with burby. i am not much a me too kind of person, at least on votes. and it's been a while since i have played with chronos and playstyles evolve and change. but this game it seems like he really is making pronouncements. and why are we to believe or trust him? because he is chronos dagnabit. then the information comes out in little dribbles and drops. kind of like we are little birds waiting in the nest for mama bird to come back and regurgitate something for us.
i repeat but tough luck. i like chronos. we lock horns every game i play with him. this game feels totally different, however. either say what they said or don't say anything. but this stuff of i've got some juicy information from someone i won't disclose about an issue i won't disclose is a little frustrating.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 17, 2014 17:00:40 GMT -5
No you aren't the only person who doesn't like this. I was more than happy to publically address my accusations when it wasn't in my or Town's best interest....Gnarly can afford us the same, and I'd like to hear it directly from him vs through Chronos.
Let's also say this, I would have been more than happy to unvote him yesterday provided his attitude regarding the whole situation, and if he had a valid explanation. I don't believe in Magic bagging especially not the extent of magic bagging going on here.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 17, 2014 18:03:46 GMT -5
It may or may not be "in the Town's best interest" to do it this way, but I can't be the only person who thinks it doesn't feel right... I can understand your feelings, but I've been in situations where I had information that I was absolutely not going to share publicly because it would not help Town and would help scum. Town always wants more information, but sometimes secrets are better kept as a secret. i am going to go along with burby. i am not much a me too kind of person, at least on votes. and it's been a while since i have played with chronos and playstyles evolve and change. but this game it seems like he really is making pronouncements. and why are we to believe or trust him? because he is chronos dagnabit. then the information comes out in little dribbles and drops. kind of like we are little birds waiting in the nest for mama bird to come back and regurgitate something for us. i repeat but tough luck. i like chronos. we lock horns every game i play with him. this game feels totally different, however. either say what they said or don't say anything. but this stuff of i've got some juicy information from someone i won't disclose about an issue i won't disclose is a little frustrating. Chronos's postion in the game is directly related to his Mason claim. If one believes his claim then I can see why he would be the focus of private conversations. I could also see sinjin being a nexus for conversation and secrets due to the mod-confirmed declaration of being way of the white. No you aren't the only person who doesn't like this. I was more than happy to publically address my accusations when it wasn't in my or Town's best interest....Gnarly can afford us the same, and I'd like to hear it directly from him vs through Chronos. Let's also say this, I would have been more than happy to unvote him yesterday provided his attitude regarding the whole situation, and if he had a valid explanation. I don't believe in Magic bagging especially not the extent of magic bagging going on here. Actually, I read it the opposite. Scum often feel more compelled to appear cooperative than Townies do. Scum know that withholding makes Townies mad. But Actual Townies will act in the best interests of Town even if it makes Town mad, and that includes withholding information. Also to nitpick: gnarlycharlie has not magic bagged anything. The pronouncement of targeting guiri was from Chronos and you. gnarlycharlie did not willingly announce he has a power. The only magic bag I see is sitting at MentalGuy's feet.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 17, 2014 18:08:42 GMT -5
I am just fine with Chronos. Y'all sound like you are butthurt because you are not popular enough to get soapstone love notes. However, of fucking course everyone should be keeping one context very clear: unconfirmed is unconfirmed and whether it is Chronos or Maha or whomever, if someone is relaying allegedly secondhand information, allegedly applies to both the information and the it's status as secondhand. Crappy vote on my part for Sach this morning. I woke up at 9:20 Pacific thinking I had missed end of Day again, then realized I could still get something down if I hurried.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 17, 2014 18:33:57 GMT -5
Mahaloth, on July 3, you sent me (and, I'm guessing, several other players) the following PM:
Is this offer still valid?
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Post by sinjin on Jul 17, 2014 19:19:30 GMT -5
Mahaloth, on July 3, you sent me (and, I'm guessing, several other players) the following PM: Is this offer still valid? Are you now going to send the other merchant to the gallows Chronos? I believe that is Mahaloth's intent so that he may win his little side game. Are you not worried that with his Win, Mahaloth will be free to join another covenant which may not be WOTW. Have you considered that he might take his remaining inventory with him?
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Post by Chronos on Jul 17, 2014 20:11:06 GMT -5
What do you mean, "with his Win, Mahaloth will be free to join another covenant"? If he wins, he wins. The game is over for him. And how would he send his competitor to the gallows, anyway? They can vote for each other, certainly, but would anyone join in voting for them?
In any event, Mahaloth has said that the offer is still valid, which is convenient, since I'd decided to reveal it anyway. gnarliecharly, meet Mahaloth. Mahaloth, meet gnarlycharlie. His targeting of guiri was because he has a power similar to Mahaloth's, where if his target dies he gets their stuff ("stuff", in this case, presumably meaning weapons and armor).
gnarliecharly, I think you really need to post your inventory publicly. The reason I revealed your identity is that I don't think you're of much use to Town unless we all know exactly what you have to offer.
And I don't know if you've promised confidentiality to your customers, but I will give you one soul if you publicly post any information you have that suggests that someone is a member of a hostile covenant. If you have information on two or more such players, if I can get another soul, it's worth two souls to me for you to post all such information. Alternately, even if it doesn't appear to implicate anyone specifically, I'm willing to pay one soul for your entire transaction history to date: Who's bought what when, for what price, and who's made what offers. Again, this information is to be posted publicly to be worth the soul.
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Post by sinjin on Jul 17, 2014 20:39:13 GMT -5
I mistated what I meant to say:
YOUR COVENANT:
If his competitor dies with more souls Maha can still win if he aligns with a winning covenant. Why do you think he would join the White? Why have you chosen to align yourself with Maha, who owes no allegiance to WOTW for the pittance of one soul?
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Post by Chronos on Jul 17, 2014 21:25:34 GMT -5
I have not chosen to align myself with Mahaloth. I honestly don't care which of the two wins their little game. I am aligned with the WotW, and chose to take the action which I believed would help us the most. As it is right now, if any of the Scum team has had dealings with gnarly, they all know what he has to offer, and may have already bought whatever of his wares are most useful to them. I wish to give all of Town the same opportunity, which wasn't going to happen as long as he remained hidden.
I don't think that them killing each other is too much to worry about, anyway. Certainly, if gnarly had the ability to kill Mahaloth, he would have done it already. And Mahaloth at least did not start off with the capability to kill gnarly. Besides which, by working publicly, Mahaloth is probably ahead in the soul game, and so if he does manage to kill gnarly, it'll be the end of both of their involvement.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "for the pittance of one soul". I don't expect to gain any souls by this. I might spend a soul, but what I (and we) will gain from it will be information.
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Post by MentalGuy on Jul 17, 2014 21:49:06 GMT -5
What do you mean, "with his Win, Mahaloth will be free to join another covenant"? If he wins, he wins. The game is over for him. And how would he send his competitor to the gallows, anyway? They can vote for each other, certainly, but would anyone join in voting for them? In any event, Mahaloth has said that the offer is still valid, which is convenient, since I'd decided to reveal it anyway. gnarliecharly, meet Mahaloth. Mahaloth, meet gnarlycharlie. His targeting of guiri was because he has a power similar to Mahaloth's, where if his target dies he gets their stuff ("stuff", in this case, presumably meaning weapons and armor). gnarliecharly, I think you really need to post your inventory publicly. The reason I revealed your identity is that I don't think you're of much use to Town unless we all know exactly what you have to offer. And I don't know if you've promised confidentiality to your customers, but I will give you one soul if you publicly post any information you have that suggests that someone is a member of a hostile covenant. If you have information on two or more such players, if I can get another soul, it's worth two souls to me for you to post all such information. Alternately, even if it doesn't appear to implicate anyone specifically, I'm willing to pay one soul for your entire transaction history to date: Who's bought what when, for what price, and who's made what offers. Again, this information is to be posted publicly to be worth the soul. If he has anything that is evidence of someone being in a hostile covenant, I would like to know. However, I don't think it is a good idea for him to post his complete transaction history at this time. I did purchase something, and I would rather keep scum in the dark about what it is.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 17, 2014 22:17:52 GMT -5
No you aren't the only person who doesn't like this. I was more than happy to publically address my accusations when it wasn't in my or Town's best interest....Gnarly can afford us the same, and I'd like to hear it directly from him vs through Chronos. Let's also say this, I would have been more than happy to unvote him yesterday provided his attitude regarding the whole situation, and if he had a valid explanation. I don't believe in Magic bagging especially not the extent of magic bagging going on here. Actually, I read it the opposite. Scum often feel more compelled to appear cooperative than Townies do. Scum know that withholding makes Townies mad. But Actual Townies will act in the best interests of Town even if it makes Town mad, and that includes withholding information. Also to nitpick: gnarlycharlie has not magic bagged anything. The pronouncement of targeting guiri was from Chronos and you. gnarlycharlie did not willingly announce he has a power. The only magic bag I see is sitting at MentalGuy's feet. First of all, I was referring to the Magic Bagging going on in general, not by Gnarly. Gnarly hasn't Magic bagged anything, he's just hasn't been forthcoming on what he knows. I was mostly referring to Mental Guy and his knowing Gnarly wasn't the killer, and Chronos with his vaguePosting and dangling a carrot in front of people. Second of all, usually scum wait on claiming/counterclaiming because they confer with their teammates before making a bold move. Someone who is honest quickly IMO is someone I'd trust more than the person who continues to post and takes their time addressing getting "caught" somewhere. That's how I play though, and we've never played together before, so that's how I judge also. I also misread the initial post, I THOUGHT Chronos was saying that he was redacting the Watcher to keep his identity hidden. I was in a rush and didn't realize that there were 5 players (including Guiri himself) that visited Guiri last night. (Guiri, Myself, Gnarly, The Watcher, and ANOTHER person) So it was an easy jump that I knew I was protecting Guiri, the watcher was just watching, so Gnarly had to be the killer. I get why Gnarly was there now, It's a fair reasoning for him to be at Guiri's last night. I apologize and was wrong. I don't think it's necessary at this time to post a transaction history, as Mahaloth hasn't been asked to provide one either.
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Post by Chameleon on Jul 17, 2014 23:37:02 GMT -5
Yay! That certainly feels more encouraging that we got a baddie And it would seem the meta playing worked in our favour, whether valid or not. Question - do we think Darkwraith is the Scum covenant? Or another hostile one? Or that there's no one specific Scum covenant? Maha - yes.
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Post by swammerdami on Jul 18, 2014 1:14:37 GMT -5
In other news, I now believe my win condition to be much easier to achieve than before. Anyone considering picking up one of the white-gold disks that have been abandoned should prefer to accept my offer -- to bequeathe my items when I die. The Powers are even more awesome than I've suggested, and probably much stronger than any Powers you'd get from the white-gold disks. But, as I've already suggested, I or my successor can only use the special powers of our Covenant. Your magic gimmicks and special weapons are useless to me. I might be happy to be Protected, or better yet Protected and Replenished, but I cannot do it myself. I doubt if anyone would want to Protect or Replenish mean nasty old "Swammer" so I'll probably just mosey along until I get Lynched. I sympathise with Gnarly who was unable to claim at EOD due to storm and bad Internet. My Internet is much flakier since my provider did his "upgrade/repair." It's a time-consuming effort just to post this message. I'll probably be online about 10 hours from now, but may not have further Internet until sometime Day 4.
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Post by Chronos on Jul 18, 2014 6:00:11 GMT -5
To be clear, that isn't something that I consider necessary; it's something I'd be willing to pay for. And the same offer applies to Mahaloth (even more so, since I'd specifically really like to know who bought Emit Force), but I assume that, since he's given his word to his customers that he'll be confidential, that he isn't willing to take up the offer.
Here's the thing, though: The ideal would be for a merchant to post their entire history of transactions with non-Town, while keeping quiet about all of their transactions with Town. But we don't know who the Townies are. Given the choice of posting all or posting nothing, I think that posting all would be, on net, significantly better for Town.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 18, 2014 9:31:25 GMT -5
Second of all, usually scum wait on claiming/counterclaiming because they confer with their teammates before making a bold move. Someone who is honest quickly IMO is someone I'd trust more than the person who continues to post and takes their time addressing getting "caught" somewhere. That's how I play though, and we've never played together before, so that's how I judge also. I that true? I've only been scum a very few times so I don't really know. I guess they might discuss claims and such but I've always been under the impression that deep scum discussions are more in the imagination of Town than real. More of a "this is what I imagine scum would do" as opposed to 'this is actually what scum do.' If scum discussed everything in detail, they wouldn't get anything done.
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Post by sachertorte on Jul 18, 2014 9:36:55 GMT -5
To be clear, that isn't something that I consider necessary; it's something I'd be willing to pay for. And the same offer applies to Mahaloth (even more so, since I'd specifically really like to know who bought Emit Force), but I assume that, since he's given his word to his customers that he'll be confidential, that he isn't willing to take up the offer. Here's the thing, though: The ideal would be for a merchant to post their entire history of transactions with non-Town, while keeping quiet about all of their transactions with Town. But we don't know who the Townies are. Given the choice of posting all or posting nothing, I think that posting all would be, on net, significantly better for Town. That is a dangerous path to open. If we allow Mahaloth to stab scum in the back publicly, then there is nothing stopping him from stabbing Town in the back privately. Heck, there really isn't any reason not to backstab privately anyway at all. This all falls under the "Mahaloth is a liability" statements that Guiri made way back when. I mean its obvious right? Mahaloth can say whatever he wants publicly, but he can break that promise privately and none would be the wiser.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 18, 2014 9:37:20 GMT -5
I don't think that them killing each other is too much to worry about, anyway. Certainly, if gnarly had the ability to kill Mahaloth, he would have done it already. And Mahaloth at least did not start off with the capability to kill gnarly. Besides which, by working publicly, Mahaloth is probably ahead in the soul game, and so if he does manage to kill gnarly, it'll be the end of both of their involvement. Chronos, Have you considered why Mahaloth was willing to pay for the identity of his competitor? I think his motive must have been more than mere curiosity. If the rule for their Covenant is essentially "whoever dies with the most toys, wins" then it seems to me that it wouldn't matter one bit who his opponent was. After all, there's no way that Mahaloth and gnarlycharlie can tell how many Souls the other has acquired (as far as we know, anyway), so they can't tell whether they are 'winning' or not. It's possible that Mahaloth either has a way to kill gnarly, or he's looking to hire (or has already hired) a hitman to do the deed for him. If gnarly winds up dead one Morning, then Mahaloth will know whether or not he is ahead (by virtue of whether or not he is then permitted to accept recruitment). Otherwise, he has to play to the end of the game not having any idea whether or not he's likely to achieve his win condition. There's also the fact that Mahaloth (and presumably gnarly as well) cannot use any items from his Inventory, but can use items acquired through other means. But how is he supposed to acquire additional items for his own use? Who else in the game has a supply of items that he could possible obtain? By putting the two in contact with each other, they now have the ability to do unlimited trading with each other, building their own personal inventories much more quickly, and much more cheaply, than any of the rest of us. Now, it may be that the only consequence is that fewer items are available to the rest of us...after all, they can only use one item per Day, and they are in competition with each other so they likely will avoid trading away anything that's likely to come back and take their head off...but it still has the potential to create two very powerful players, neither of whom rely on Town winning to achieve their own personal win condition.
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Post by bufftabby on Jul 18, 2014 10:09:42 GMT -5
Not to mention that the most likely "hitman" would be scum. I don't like the idea of Mahalothowing favors to scum.
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