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Feb 5, 2008 10:36:55 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 10:36:55 GMT -5
On re-read, ignore the second question; I understand what you're saying. I still think it's evident that Roosh is lying, and I frankly can't figure out a way to play this game in which outright lying isn't grounds for a lynch.
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Feb 5, 2008 10:43:15 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 10:43:15 GMT -5
Hey Hey Story. I'm not telling ANYONE to claim here.
I'm just stating that if they want personal enlightenment, they should go and check it out with the Mods above. As they are QUITE helpful in trying to help you figure out what to do.
That's all. And I was leaving suggestions on ways to do it if they are less creatively inclined then myself, in the event that I died last night.
I'm not encouraging ANY power roles to claim. They shouldn't unless they find themselves in such a position as I was. That's all.
And all I have to say is really? There is a VERY VERY VERY Easy way to tell if I'm lying and all that jazz. That way has not occurred. So What seems to be the problem, Story?
Or does whoever you think is out there really feels that having a 50% chance of catching scum is a stupid idea and doesn't want to counter-claim? Come on Story, quit trying to lynch the townies. UNLESS of course that's your intention all along, buddy....
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Feb 5, 2008 10:45:00 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 10:45:00 GMT -5
On re-read, ignore the second question; I understand what you're saying. I still think it's evident that Roosh is lying, and I frankly can't figure out a way to play this game in which outright lying isn't grounds for a lynch. Gee. Pleonast as a blade runner in the Blade Runner. That's EXACTLY the sort of logic we used to kill him with a lynch actually. We refused to believe his role claim, and we kept poking holes in it until he was lynched. And then we gloated at the stupid idiots who felt "Lynch all Liars" is a valid idea in a game where townies are FORCED to lie. Come on, Story, I'm getting worried about you here.
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Feb 5, 2008 10:47:19 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 10:47:19 GMT -5
On re-read, ignore the second question; I understand what you're saying. I still think it's evident that Roosh is lying, and I frankly can't figure out a way to play this game in which outright lying isn't grounds for a lynch. Gee. Pleonast as a blade runner in the Blade Runner. That's EXACTLY the sort of logic we used to kill him with a lynch actually. We refused to believe his role claim, and we kept poking holes in it until he was lynched. And then we gloated at the stupid idiots who felt "Lynch all Liars" is a valid idea in a game where townies are FORCED to lie. Come on, Story, I'm getting worried about you here. Blade Runner was a closed game. This is an open one. You are not privy to any secret information, beyond your own role. If you are pro-town, you should not be lying. And your reciprocal suspicion is always very reassuring.
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Feb 5, 2008 10:50:44 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 10:50:44 GMT -5
Blade Runner was a closed game. This is an open one. You are not privy to any secret information, beyond your own role. If you are pro-town, you should not be lying. If you are a TOWNIE, you shouldn't be lying. If you're not... and you wanna try to keep your abilities... well that's a different matter then, ain't it? I don't understand your hangup. Why not instead of then trying to get me lynched directly, you go and find the ONE thing that WILL get me lynched? Go find them, and ask THEM to show up. If they do it, i'll gladly go to the gallows. (And Mods, I asked a Q last page, will it get answered?)
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Feb 5, 2008 10:58:35 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 10:58:35 GMT -5
If you are a TOWNIE, you shouldn't be lying. If you're not... and you wanna try to keep your abilities... well that's a different matter then, ain't it? No. Don't lie. Your lie causes interpretive problems for everyone in the town. If you're scum, of course, that's a good thing for you; confusion for the rest of us is like sweet honey to you. But if you're not actually scum - if you're just lying so that you can feel clever - than you're screwing us over by doing it. Because there's a whole bunch of things implied by the truth or falsity of your statements and claims, but we don't know where to begin because you won't ever play straight with anyone. Because that would expose a real power role, and if you can be shown to be lying without requiring an actual asset to lose its powers, that would be better?
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Feb 5, 2008 11:06:38 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 11:06:38 GMT -5
Okay, I can see other reasons; I just think they are less likely. According to Death, power roles already know the answer to this question. So, I’m going to assume you are not a power role. That already means you are more likely scum then town (6 scum vs. 5 vanilla town left). I agree with you that if Roosh can “claim without claiming” that would circumvent the rules. However, it would do so in a way that helps town rather then scum. I suppose it is possible that you are town concerned about the fairness of the game, but I think it is more likely that you are scum not wanting the town to have an unfair advantage, I don’t think it matters either way in terms of whether Roosh is scum. He is either lying about his role or he isn’t. If he is lying, a counter claim would put his role into question. Knowing whether or not he still has powers wouldn’t. I believe that information would not be of much use to vanilla town members. Scum on the other hand would have significant reasons for wanting know what Roosh and other power roles can and cannot do.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:06:39 GMT -5
Post by sachertorte on Feb 5, 2008 11:06:39 GMT -5
(And Mods, I asked a Q last page, will it get answered?)
Sleeping Mandate is sleeping. Awake Mandate doesn't know the answer to your question.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:07:41 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 11:07:41 GMT -5
Because that would expose a real power role, and if you can be shown to be lying without requiring an actual asset to lose its powers, that would be better? Yeah. I don't think so, dude. How about this. You don't worry about anything in my speech on the claiming, EXCEPT what''ve said to you about WHO i may or may not be. Other than that, leave the rest of the matter for those who want to ask the Mods that sorta thing. That's all i'm encouraging them to do, nothing else. Please do NOT waste time over trying to discuss ME rather than trying to find scum toDay. And come on, a 1-1 trade for scum is better than nothing in my book honestly, they should come out and say something. But I know that no one else is coming to say anything against me. So stop trying to find "alternative" ways to lynch me.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:08:10 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 11:08:10 GMT -5
Sleeping Mandate is sleeping. Awake Mandate doesn't know the answer to your question.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:10:57 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 11:10:57 GMT -5
On re-read, ignore the second question; I understand what you're saying. I still think it's evident that Roosh is lying, and I frankly can't figure out a way to play this game in which outright lying isn't grounds for a lynch. For me it comes down to the fact that I can't see why if Roosh lying, there wouldn't be a counterclaim.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:15:25 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 11:15:25 GMT -5
If he is lying, a counter claim would put his role into question. Knowing whether or not he still has powers wouldn’t. I believe that information would not be of much use to vanilla town members. Scum on the other hand would have significant reasons for wanting know what Roosh and other power roles can and cannot do. I agree with this fully. A counter-claim would deal with trying to dispute my Role of Wang Chung. Anything else, really feels like you're fishing for the latter part of that quote, trying just to figure out does he or doesn't he have powers. So just focus on the FIRST part if you're Town (yes, I'm gonna do a little page outta NAF's book- only thing is I know I'm town and hopefully you all do too). If you're town, you should look at the first part: Is he Scum or is he Town? -Easy way to deal with it. Find the guy that says I'm lying about being Wang Chung, the man who hates footwear. If you're Scum, then pull into question my abilities and my "how much is he telling the truth vs. lying" sorta deal. Scum need to know that sort of Info. Townies just need to know is he scum or Town, once they know he's probably Town, they just know "don't lynch the guy" and they can move on to finding scum. Scum have to deal with the problem "is he lying or not? Does he still have powers if any or not?" And actually not all scum need to know that either. Only 2 of them. Which ever two feels the most threatened by a claim. Because the other scum would just be able to free kill. So I guess it's just kinda a weird thing. If tons of people jump on it, that's actually less indicative of scumminess. Hmmm... an interesting thought, that I'll have to think about. But anyways, yeah. Focus on just that simple thing: Is he or is he not Wang Chung? If he isn't. Where is the REAL wang chung that hates footwear? If there isn't another one, then maybe he IS the real wang chung? Plain and Simple. You don't need to focus on the lying or the not lying aspects, just look for that ONE SINGLE Burden of Proof and don't waste your time with the other shit.
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Feb 5, 2008 11:38:19 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 11:38:19 GMT -5
How about this. You don't worry about anything in my speech on the claiming, EXCEPT what''ve said to you about WHO i may or may not be. How about this: you're not my Mafia daddy, so maybe you don't tell me what to worry about. You don't get to pick and choose which statements of yours should be analyzed and which should be ignored. Everything you say is open to evaluation. You made this discussion public by putting in your post. If you wanted to leave the matter between the claimant and the Mods, you could have just said nothing. Instead, you chose to encourage future claimants to use your methodology. Why? I am not sure that a 1-1 trade, scum for power role, is better than nothing. The absence of a counterclaim is evidence in your favor, but it's not probitive.
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Feb 5, 2008 12:00:34 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 12:00:34 GMT -5
[quote author=storyteller0910 board=rottk thread=1202165935 post=1202229499I am not sure that a 1-1 trade, scum for power role, is better than nothing. The absence of a counterclaim is evidence in your favor, but it's not probitive.[/quote]
One person's ability to protect one person (probably themselves) from one scum group isn't worth outing a scum? The action would also confirm a town member. To me the trade off isn't close.
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Feb 5, 2008 12:08:07 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2008 12:08:07 GMT -5
Just to make things interesting, I'm beginning to wonder if story is railing on Roosh because story can't/won't (without losing his powers) counter-claim against him...
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Feb 5, 2008 12:11:24 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 5, 2008 12:11:24 GMT -5
I hate being nitpicky, but this IS a good point to ask the Mods about: Is the "And" in piratepete's death due to the MODS, or was that simply inserted by the killer? IE: Will the Mods show double kills by simply applying both to the Victim, or will they only receive one flavored death randomly chosen (since the deaths are all done simultaneously)? "All of the kill methods will be applied to death color, even if multiple parties target the same player."
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Feb 5, 2008 12:15:01 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 12:15:01 GMT -5
Just to make things interesting, I'm beginning to wonder if story is railing on Roosh because story can't/won't (without losing his powers) counter-claim against him... I hadn't thought about that interpretation, so for the sake of clarity: this is not the case.
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Feb 5, 2008 12:17:47 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Feb 5, 2008 12:17:47 GMT -5
Okay, I can see other reasons; I just think they are less likely. According to Death, power roles already know the answer to this question. So, I’m going to assume you are not a power role. That already means you are more likely scum then town (6 scum vs. 5 vanilla town left). I agree with you that if Roosh can “claim without claiming” that would circumvent the rules. However, it would do so in a way that helps town rather then scum. I suppose it is possible that you are town concerned about the fairness of the game, but I think it is more likely that you are scum not wanting the town to have an unfair advantage, I don’t think it matters either way in terms of whether Roosh is scum. He is either lying about his role or he isn’t. If he is lying, a counter claim would put his role into question. Knowing whether or not he still has powers wouldn’t. I believe that information would not be of much use to vanilla town members. Scum on the other hand would have significant reasons for wanting know what Roosh and other power roles can and cannot do. If Roosh is lying, a counter-claim will reveal it. It could potentially also cause us to lose a major power role. Is it a worthwhile trade? Where is the line drawn? How much can a person dance around a role claim without actually calling it a claim? That line seems so arbitrary to me. I'm concerned with the fairness of the game, definitely. I'm also concerned with how such a nebulous rule is supposed to be interpreted by our power roles, and whether or not what happened on Day One has potentially hamstrung the whole game. Look at it this way. If Roosh is telling the truth in that his claim did not violate any rules and he still has his powers, it creates a difficult slippery slope for the mods, who now must decide whether any particular future role claim meets the qualifications of not-quite-a-role-claim that Roosh created. If he is sort of telling the truth, in that he was truly a town power role but lost his powers based on the claim, this might cause future power roles to follow his lead and lose their powers, all the while thinking they were doing the right thing. And of course, if he's scum, he's got a free pass to the endgame unless another scum group assumes he's lying and offs him. Who would have had the most to lose from claiming as he did? Who would have had the most to gain?
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Feb 5, 2008 12:50:45 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 12:50:45 GMT -5
Major power role? How is it a major power role?
Let's assume for a moment that Roosh has the “claimed role” and that power roles cannot be claimed in way shape or form. He was the leading vote getter and in all probability was going to be lynched. He had the following options:
1, Do not claim, hope that somehow he avoids being lynched.
2, Claim his role directly. Now everyone would know he was a powerless townie.
3, Claim his role indirectly. The other power roles will likely know he was still powerless. At the very least, I would expect them to confirm with the mod what they can and cannot do. I cannot foresee other power roles accidentally revealing too much and losing their powers. So, to answer your question, I think this action unequivocally helps the town. The power roles would still have the same amount of information, the vanilla town members do not need this information, and the scum would be lacking the knowledge of who they can and cannot kill.
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Feb 5, 2008 13:02:00 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Feb 5, 2008 13:02:00 GMT -5
Wikipedia wrote:Sun Ce, pronounced Sūn T'sè, (175 – 200) was a military general and warlord during the late Eastern Han Dynasty and Three Kingdoms era in ancient China. He was the eldest of five sons and one daughter of Sun Jian, who was killed in battle when Sun Ce was only sixteen. Sun Ce then broke away from his father's former overlord Yuan Shu and headed into Southeastern China to establish his own power base there. With the help of several capable men, including Zhang Zhao and Zhou Yu, Sun Ce managed to lay down the foundation of the later Eastern Wu, of which his younger brother Sun Quan eventually became the first emperor. After Sun Quan declared himself emperor, he posthumously honored Sun Ce with the title Prince Huan of Changsha (長沙桓王, literally "the diligent prince"). Top-of-the-page votecount:
1 - Roosh (storyteller0910)
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Feb 5, 2008 13:30:00 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Feb 5, 2008 13:30:00 GMT -5
Imho, the safest bet with respect to Roosh is to interpret his role claim as a null tell at this point, in the absence of a (clear and intended) counter-claim. He's pulled this sort of "creativity" on both sides of the aisle in previous games.
However, unlike Roosh, I don't mind taking the time to put him under the microscope for a while, even if he is town. There are 6 scummies in our midst, and talking about Roosh or the whole claiming/rules debate seems as fertile of an environment as any to provide fodder for some solid post analysis.
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Feb 5, 2008 14:03:16 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 14:03:16 GMT -5
All right, y'all, I'm fixing to express an opinion here. I recognize that it is evidently a minority opinion, but there's little I can do about that except make my case as clearly and specifically as possible, and hope it makes an impact.
To sum up: If you are pro-town, lying is bad. This is almost invariably true.
If Roosh is scum, then he is irrelevant to this discussion, but let's for the moment assume that hawkeyeop is correct, and Roosh's behavior is as hawkeye has suggested.
The benefit to his actions, in this particular case, is that the scum don't know if he still has his powers. I submit that this is pretty trifling benefit indeed. First of all, none of the six scum even know whether he is scum or not. The question of whether he has any powers remaining, to the scum, is secondary to the question of whether he's even really a doctor. Second, for four of the six scum, Roosh's powers are utterly meaningless; a member of the Wu faction doesn't care at all whether or not Roosh has his powers. That leaves us with the two Shus. Ultimately - they don't really care, either. They're not going to target Roosh if he still has his powers, but at this point in the game, they don't need to. They can rely on one of the other factions to take him out. Plus, at this particular moment, if Roosh is being truthful, he's a likely target for the full Doctor whether or not he still has his powers, so he'll be avoided as a target anyway.
So the benefit is, two scum who weren't going to target him anyway won't target him.
Now the other side. Roosh's approach here, if he is town, is anathemic to Mafia success. Finding scum is very difficult, but it can be done. Scum have to lie, dissemble, pursue artificial outcomes; they have to do this because they can't win otherwise. If townies don't lie, dissemble, and pursue artificial outcomes, then finding scum is simple, if not easy - we work together to spot the lies, the inconsistencies, the manipulations of fact.
But once the townies start lying, the game becomes impossible. We can no longer identify scum by their lies and dissemblings, because the townies are acting the same way. I've seen this more and more in recent games - townies pursuing their own agendas, deciding that they know better than the rest of the town, trying to be too clever by half, thinking that they can outsmart the scum and the mods and everyone all by themselves. And the end result is mass chaos - everyone looks scummy, because everyone is being scummy, even the pro-town players.
Now note that I am distinguishing between lying and the mere withholding of information, which is sometimes necessary in this game. But the minute you start telling bald-faced lies, you're hurting the town, because if we catch you in them you're going to become a target, and that's going to waste time and effort. We need to function as a team, and Roosh's approach - whether he is scum or town - is the opposite of team-oriented play in my opinion.
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Feb 5, 2008 14:20:49 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 14:20:49 GMT -5
Okay, I'll get back to the argument in a moment, but I want to point a FOS at Storyteller for inconsistency. Note that this has nothing to do with disagreeing with your argument.
Storyteller day 1:
Storyteller day 2:
Want to explain this?
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Feb 5, 2008 14:21:23 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2008 14:21:23 GMT -5
What Storyteller is arguing here is the basic reason I voted for Hal - namely that villagers have no business dealing in untruths. Villagers should tell the truth, and nothing but the truth. (I'm prepared to agree that there can be good reasons for villagers not to tell the whole truth - indeed I have avoided saying everything myself on some occasions.)
I want to review the evidence Story has adduced before committing to voting the same way. But we still have just over seven days to come to a determination of who to lynch (assuming we continue to operate the 24-hour pre-lynch deadline scheme, a review of which is due Tomorrow morning.)
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Feb 5, 2008 14:23:13 GMT -5
Post by storyteller0910 on Feb 5, 2008 14:23:13 GMT -5
Okay, I'll get back to the argument in a moment, but I want to point a FOS at Storyteller for inconsistency. Note that this has nothing to do with disagreeing with your argument. Storyteller day 1: Storyteller day 2: Want to explain this? Sure. I changed my mind. I outlined my thought process is some detail already. What else can I give you?
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Feb 5, 2008 14:35:59 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Feb 5, 2008 14:35:59 GMT -5
Okay, I'll get back to the argument in a moment, but I want to point a FOS at Storyteller for inconsistency. Note that this has nothing to do with disagreeing with your argument. Storyteller day 1: Storyteller day 2: Want to explain this? Sure. I changed my mind. I outlined my thought process is some detail already. What else can I give you? Well, previously it seemed like you thought the loss of a minor power was a small price to pay to out a scum. Why do you now think now that it is too high a price to determine a definite answer on if Roosh is scum?
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Feb 5, 2008 16:10:35 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 5, 2008 16:10:35 GMT -5
story's logic is as impeccable as always. Therefore: Vote (Roosh)
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Feb 5, 2008 17:02:28 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 17:02:28 GMT -5
So the benefit is, two scum who weren't going to target him anyway won't target him. Here's the fun part though. Knowing this little tidbit of information, Story, a doctor in this position could then start choosing NOT to protect himself, and try to randomly pick the others to protect- thus causing a slight annoyance for that faction. The doctor then as the game progresses becomes a liability for whichever faction has to deal with him. Now the other side. Roosh's approach here, if he is town, is anathemic to Mafia success. Finding scum is very difficult, but it can be done. Scum have to lie, dissemble, pursue artificial outcomes; they have to do this because they can't win otherwise. If townies don't lie, dissemble, and pursue artificial outcomes, then finding scum is simple, if not easy - we work together to spot the lies, the inconsistencies, the manipulations of fact. But once the townies start lying, the game becomes impossible. We can no longer identify scum by their lies and dissemblings, because the townies are acting the same way. I've seen this more and more in recent games - townies pursuing their own agendas, deciding that they know better than the rest of the town, trying to be too clever by half, thinking that they can outsmart the scum and the mods and everyone all by themselves. And the end result is mass chaos - everyone looks scummy, because everyone is being scummy, even the pro-town players. . I agree with you in this part. Townies should not lie. Ordinary Townsfolk lying would cause a HUGE problem in Mafia Games and it should be avoided. However, special cases can always be made especially if there is a way that the lies can add some sort of benefit to the Town's side. Now note that I am distinguishing between lying and the mere withholding of information, which is sometimes necessary in this game. But the minute you start telling bald-faced lies, you're hurting the town, because if we catch you in them you're going to become a target, and that's going to waste time and effort. We need to function as a team, and Roosh's approach - whether he is scum or town - is the opposite of team-oriented play in my opinion. I understand your point here actually. I see where you're coming from, but I must say that I disagree with your point. We obviously have different styles. You feel lying is bad in all cases. I agree that lying should be avoided, except by those who have more knowledge than others, and are prepared to deal with the consequences of their lies. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ On that note however, I must simply have to leave it at that. We can agree to disagree all day long but it will accomplish nothing. Because there is a simple action I COULD do to make you feel better. But I don't wanna do it. Because if I did something like that, I'd be dead at night. And I'm not encouraging ANYONE else to do what I've done. Yes I stated it in that post, but that was simply because I want to encourage others to talk to the Mods and to understand what they can and cannot do. There are rules here, but there are always loopholes. However, I will make the addendum that I should have made THEN but did not: That others should NOT claim or reveal unless they were in a similar predicament to where I was: A Lynch or Claim situation. That's all. Otherwise I'm off the opinion that you shouldn't claim. Now then, Can we GO BACK to finding scum? Or are you just going to pester me repeatedly until I re-claim, Story? And if that's the case, then I want you to give me a DAMN good Townie reason for why I need to basically set myself up to die tonight.
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Feb 5, 2008 17:16:38 GMT -5
Post by RoOsh on Feb 5, 2008 17:16:38 GMT -5
RE: And now for something else: The Vote Count Colored in!
Here is the vote count from the Mods Post #361 on the final page of Day 1. (I believe this is Sach's vote count)
Green will be known townies:
Peasant Smurf (3) : hawkeyeop, NAF1138, Pleonast Hal Briston (1) : mhaye koldanar (7) : Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, piratepete, atarus, Kat NAF1138 (1) : Cookies Pleonast (1) : Peasant Smurf piratepete (5) : Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit, nesta, storyteller0910 Did Not Vote: Hal Briston, Santo Rugger
`````````````````````` And here is the final corrected vote count from Night 1, by Sach: Again with Townie's in Green:
1 - Peasant Smurf (Pleonast) 13 - koldanar (Diomedes, diggitcamara, RoOsh, drainbead, atarus, Kat, Santo Rugger, storyteller0910, NAF1138, nesta, hawkeyeop, mhaye, Cookies) 1 - Pleonast (Peasant Smurf) 3 - piratepete (Hockey Monkey, koldanar, CatInASuit) Did Not Vote: PiratePete, Hal Briston ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also based on what the Mods just said, I believed that PiratePete was doubly-killed last night, so our good buddy Mao Has been killing at night.
*Let me know if you see any errors, I took the two Posts from where I cited them, and then just filled in the 4 townies with green. I doubt i messed up, but anythings possible.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2008 17:17:50 GMT -5
Post by Santo Rugger on Feb 5, 2008 17:17:50 GMT -5
<snip>I think Roosh is lying. I think he is therefore very likely to be scum. I think we should lynch him toDay, barring spectacularly unexpected developments. And this is why: On Day One, at #290, Pleonast expresses concerns about Roosh's claim; when I ask him about it, Pleo replies at #297:
OK. Couple of possibilities here. One is that Pleo is lying, and has never discussed this with the mods. One is that Pleo is telling the truth, in which case Roosh is either lying or has lost his powers. Moving along. At #336, in a pretty geyser-ish post, Roosh responds to Pleo thusly:
Strip away the sidesteps and evasive language and the intent of this is evident: Roosh is claiming to have discussed the matter with the mods and (ostensibly) received clearance for his claim.
Thus, at this point, Pleo and Roosh are both claiming to have made an inquiry of the gods, and received different answers. I can thus think of no conclusion other than that either Pleo or Roosh is lying. (Well, I guess the mods could be giving different answers to different people, but that would be nonsensical).
One is lying. Which one? We can't know. Except... <snip>
story's logic is as impeccable as always. Therefore: [colorBlue] Vote (Roosh) [/color][/quote] I'll assume the quoted section is what Pleo was referring to, unless he says otherwise. Vote Roosh, aka Liu
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