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Post by Blaster Master on May 5, 2008 15:05:02 GMT -5
You know what... fuck it. I don't have any time left, and you all won't look at the obvious, so this is the only way I can preserve my win condition. I can prove Rysto is full of it, because I'm not scum... I'm the last PFK. Yes, I'm malicious too.
Why the HELL would I claim this? Because it will put all of mine and zuma's actions in perspective throughout the game. I'm a secret scum and the only way I can win is if I'm targetted at Night and get recruited by them. THIS is why zuma claimed to be Batman (which is, at least, partially true, when you look at the PM pasted below. He had hoped they might at least be aware that there was a secret scum out there and that they might target him.
When I saw the role, I revised my strategy, hoping to get myself targetted by having a role that would prevent them from winning. I'd hoped that this would get me targetted, and I think that's why I was gassed, maybe they thought that the gas would count as targetting... I don't know. But obviously, I couldn't dispel the suspicion that zuma had garnered.
I pushed for DBI's death Yesterday, because I actually thought she was scum (as I didn't exepct a non-malicious PFK), and I hoped that they'd, again, reconsider killing me after I got one of them killed. Obviously, I was wrong again.
As for why I'm pushing for Rysto's death? Simple, I know he's scum, and I know he'll be revealed as a liar as soon as I go down as PFK, so he'll be lynched Tomorrow anyway. Hopefully, I'll get targetted tonight, so at least I can win with scum, in the chance that you all can't sort out the final scum.
So here's the gambit I present to you all. I have one more power that I have not listed in my role pm. However, BOTH Rysto and I are scum. If I'm telling the truth, then you have to lynch both of us, and I want you to lynch him first so I can get recruited Tonight. If you target me or another unconfirmed, I will use my power to the detriment of the town. If you target Rysto (or, preferably, a confirmed ;D) I will save it. If I am NOT recruited Tonight, I will use it on Batman for screwing me over. OTOH, if I'm completely full of it, the town is already ahead, and lynching Rysto and then me won't hurt at all.
And, FWIW, here's my role PM:
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 5, 2008 15:12:30 GMT -5
All I can say is that if you are telling the truth, then the Mods have lied to us twice:
1. Dio explicitly stated pre-game that there would be no recruitment.
2. The Penguin was informed that the number of PFK players was less than the number of scum players; if you are telling the truth, this was also untrue.
So if you're being truthful, then the Mods are doing everything they can to screw us out of winning this game. Hopefully that's not the case, but we'll find out soon enough.
(As far as I know, the Day is technically over at this point).
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Post by RoOsh on May 5, 2008 15:16:50 GMT -5
I'm not the Day Mod, But Both Dio and I have been having some difficulties with Real life this week in terms of work and such (I've got exams and all).
So for the sake of Mod Convience, I'd personally prefer the Day to be stretched out for the full time until Wednesday, so that I can deal with Night when I'm actually free. But the Day is up to Dio, and it's his final call.
Also, I'm trying to think of poor NAF here too, I know he's going to miss one day, but if you speed up the game, he may miss more than one Day and such, and I'm not sure you guys want that.
But it's your call, if you all REALLY wanna do it, I'm sure Dio wouldn't mind killing off someone.
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Post by RoOsh on May 5, 2008 15:17:48 GMT -5
(As far as I know, the Day is technically over at this point). Feel free to talk until Dio shows up, btw.
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Blaster Master
Mome Rath
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Post by Blaster Master on May 5, 2008 15:18:32 GMT -5
Do you really expect to win hearts and minds like this? I have plenty of good reasons; if you're really interested in my reasoning as regards the endgame, you can read any of the 420 posts I've made to date. But I'm certainly not going to waste half the afternoon reiterating them; who, precisely, would I be trying to convince? You? I think you're a Do-Gooder. Everyone else is already voting for you, so making the argument against you - again - is unlikely to be a good use of time. You know what, it's a moot point now, but I'm not trying to win hearts. This isn't a game about winning hearts. It's a game about logic and reading people. Anyone who votes for someone else because they don't like them, or doesn't vote for someone else because they do like them is missing the whole point of the game. The bottom line is, MY win condition has been pretty much screwed since I joined this game because people are SO God Damn attached to random confirmation bias. You keep taling about some sort of case you built against me? I'm was never asking you to reitterate your entire case, I wanted the key points because, AFAICT, the key points were zuma behaved weird, Darth snuggled me, Rysto identified me as scum (who has been suspicious as all hell the whole game, and utterly ignored at my expense), and whatever random confirmation bias molefan has against me that I can't get substantiated any more than that it's "obvious". And you know what, it's frustrating as hell, because there's no arguing points any more either. Hell, I spent two or three DAYS arguing with you and the town over why DBI needed to be lynched. Yeah, I was scum trying to get anyone lynched before me, but my points were completely valid given the information available. Seriously, I was just asking for you to put forth the basic points of the case against me, and you don't even want to bother to engage in the possibility that... hell, maybe the case against me isn't there? Why couldn't you give more reasons besides "because I'm sure you're scum"? Yeah, go town, I'm scum and I'm probably going to get lynched Today anyway. But it's not through the arduous efforts of good sleuthing, it's through sheer luck. Hell, I'd bet dollars to donuts that if I hadn't come in after zuma, and STILL no one has given good reason why scum would claim to be Batman, I'd have been targetted by the scum Days ago, and the scum would pretty much have this in the basket. I assure you, this confirmation bias will come back to bite you, either in this game or a future one.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 5, 2008 15:23:17 GMT -5
I'm not the Day Mod, But Both Dio and I have been having some difficulties with Real life this week in terms of work and such (I've got exams and all).
So for the sake of Mod Convience, I'd personally prefer the Day to be stretched out for the full time until Wednesday, so that I can deal with Night when I'm actually free. But the Day is up to Dio, and it's his final call.
Also, I'm trying to think of poor NAF here too, I know he's going to miss one day, but if you speed up the game, he may miss more than one Day and such, and I'm not sure you guys want that.
But it's your call, if you all REALLY wanna do it, I'm sure Dio wouldn't mind killing off someone. For what it's worth: I don't think it would be fair to extend the Day beyond the point that it would have ended according to the rules. I realize that I'm advocating for my enemies here, but if it turns out to be true that Rysto and Darth (or whoever) are the actual Scum, and they've managed to get us to vote for BLAM and secure his lynch in accordance with the rules of the game as they were set out, it would be manifestly unfair to give us an extension during which we might change that decision. My opinion, worth what you paid for it.
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Post by RoOsh on May 5, 2008 15:31:29 GMT -5
MMkay.
Then Dio, it's your call in the end. You've heard mine and Story's thoughts (and I do tend to agree with story a wee bit. As mine is out of selfish reasons (but there's no reason I can't just extend the night! ;D)
So yeah, do as you will until Dio shows up.
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Mome Rath
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Post by Blaster Master on May 5, 2008 15:34:27 GMT -5
All I can say is that if you are telling the truth, then the Mods have lied to us twice: 1. Dio explicitly stated pre-game that there would be no recruitment. 2. The Penguin was informed that the number of PFK players was less than the number of scum players; if you are telling the truth, this was also untrue. So if you're being truthful, then the Mods are doing everything they can to screw us out of winning this game. Hopefully that's not the case, but we'll find out soon enough. (As far as I know, the Day is technically over at this point). No, I am NOT being recruited. Recruitment implies that one changes alignments, that someone goes from being pro-town to scum. This is not the case here at all. I was never pro-town and I never really become scum, I simply win with them IF I was targetted. As for point two this, I believe is an inadvertent misrepresentation of the facts. I count as one of those malicious PFKers that you all have to kill, while DBI did not. Hell, I may have even counted as one of the scum. I'm not exactly sure how it was worded to him, but it doesn't matter, as I'm sure he can come in and clarify. But this "it would mean the mods are trying to screw us over" bit is getting tiresome. HOW many times did the Masons lie or misrepresent information to us? At least three times by my count, and you're going to assume that through all that discussion and not actually posting what was said verbatum that some potentially relevant information wasn't lost? Hell, I was actually fairly certain it WAS accurate when the word "approximately" was used because it seemed to scream secret scum to me, if they didn't already know. And seriously, if I'm lying, WTF is my motivation? I ADMITTED that I'm scum. The town currently has two mis-lynches. Even if I'm full of it, and Rysto is honest and you lynch him, you still get to lynch me, then both Darth and sinjin. I think if you look back, you'll see that this has been my and zuma's motivation the whole time. This is why he was so quick to make a fake role claim. This is why he claimed to be Batman. This is why he thought he was screwed. This is why my claimed powers as Joe Chill were specifically intended to get my Night targetted. So fine, maybe I'm lying. But what's the point? It won't buy me a God Damned thing. So if I am full of it, and I'm just a Do-Gooder, why bother?
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 5, 2008 15:52:05 GMT -5
First of all, your new claim only makes me, personally, more inclined to lynch you. You have explicitly claimed to be someone that I need to lynch in order to win. Rysto has not done so. Even by that incredibly simple reckoning, it makes more sense by an order of magnitude to lynch you in place of Rysto. Why shouldn't we? If you're lying, you're Scum, so huzzah. If you're telling the truth, you're scum, so huzzah. If you're telling the truth, we learn the truth about Rysto, so huzzah. If you're lying, we get the benefit of a dead Do-Gooder without wasting our one free mislynch, so huzzah.
As to why you might be lying? I don't think there's much mystery there. The scum need to force two mislynches to win this game. If we lynch Rysto instead of you, and he's Town, that's one of those mislynches burned. Sure, we kill you next, but that gives the last scum a chance to play 3-handed, and any time you get down to 3-handed you have a chance, even if it's a distant one. (NOTE: This is especially true if the actual last scum is someone other than top candidate Darth - specifically, if the actual last scum is sinjin).
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Post by sinjin on May 5, 2008 17:51:28 GMT -5
Wait, what? Your a malicious PFK that gets to become a Do-gooder if he's targetted by a Do-gooder at night? So we shouldn't lynch you so you can become a different sort of scum overnight and win with the bigger team? I know I must be missing something here. Clarification for the simple minded who have been out pubbing please.
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Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on May 5, 2008 21:31:27 GMT -5
Blam will be lynched. I just need to get him to send something to me. If I don't have a PM from him, I'll go forward anyways tomorrow morning.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 5, 2008 21:43:07 GMT -5
You know what? I don't know if this will count, or if it's being needlessly paranoid, but I'm pretty sure it would be advisable for me to do what I can to survive until toNight at least.
In that spirit, and sincerely hoping that no one will follow me on this:
unvote BLAM
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 5, 2008 21:47:00 GMT -5
Hey, why be obscure? I am worried that BLAM might be able to kill one of us if he's lynched. It is possible that he can only kill a person who has voted for him. If I'm alive going into toNight, I stand a chance of blocking a scum kill, so my unvote, if it counts, was an effort to get off the list of potential kills for BLAM. It might be adjudged too late - although I hope it's not because Roosh did allow for the game to continue until Dio called a halt - and I might be way off base, but what the hell, right?
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Post by RoOsh on May 5, 2008 23:45:00 GMT -5
You know what? I don't know if this will count, or if it's being needlessly paranoid, but I'm pretty sure it would be advisable for me to do what I can to survive until toNight at least. In that spirit, and sincerely hoping that no one will follow me on this: unvote BLAM Night Mod's Opinion: That shouldn't count. It was an unvote made AFTER Dio called the Lynch. Story's vote should Stay on the record as a BlaM vote. But a very nice try, story, paranoid or not.Day Mod's got final say though. But I think the Day's over when Dio showed up and posted.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 6, 2008 1:34:05 GMT -5
I'm not the Day Mod, But Both Dio and I have been having some difficulties with Real life this week in terms of work and such (I've got exams and all).
So for the sake of Mod Convience, I'd personally prefer the Day to be stretched out for the full time until Wednesday, so that I can deal with Night when I'm actually free. But the Day is up to Dio, and it's his final call.
Also, I'm trying to think of poor NAF here too, I know he's going to miss one day, but if you speed up the game, he may miss more than one Day and such, and I'm not sure you guys want that.
But it's your call, if you all REALLY wanna do it, I'm sure Dio wouldn't mind killing off someone. If the day is over, might I suggest night be extended to accommodate you and Dio's real-life issues? This isn't something I have any problem with. Oh, and BlaM, without trying to kick a man while he's down here, it isn't "luck" that I'm voting for you. I have my own reasons, most of which I've explained in previous day posts. Rysto's "confirmation" sealed the deal, but there was other stuff before then that put me onto you. I'm not going to retread old ground but I doubt my vote would have been different. Darth, maybe. That said: I made a confessional on the Mason board last night (it's pretty much the only use I have for it right now!) saying it was a shame that you had to go because you'd never given up until the end. I stand by that, and I think it's a pity we're on opposite sides as I'd much rather have you as an ally - and coming from me, that's a big compliment.
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Post by RoOsh on May 6, 2008 1:40:44 GMT -5
If the day is over, might I suggest night be extended to accommodate you and Dio's real-life issues? This isn't something I have any problem with. That's what will be done. Thanks for your patience!
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Mome Rath
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Post by Blaster Master on May 6, 2008 9:24:47 GMT -5
Well, molefan, it's not worth playing if you don't put it all out there, right? Thanks.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 6, 2008 9:34:26 GMT -5
You know, just for kicks, I just want to raise an interesting point:
If BLAM is telling the truth, and if he's really PFK, and if he has the ability to take someone with him when he goes, and if he chooses to take me:
The game will end, and the Town loses. With only one mislynch, and three no-kill Nights.
Just putting it out there.
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Post by Blaster Master on May 6, 2008 10:03:09 GMT -5
You do realize I never claimed that I had "the ability to take someone with [me] when ", right? Although, if I did, all the more reason why you shouldn't have killed me Today. Oh well.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 6, 2008 10:09:12 GMT -5
No, I know you didn't claim that. I's just guessing.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 6, 2008 11:04:06 GMT -5
Jeez, Dio, you're killing me here.
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Mome Rath
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Post by Blaster Master on May 6, 2008 12:03:06 GMT -5
Heh... Dio is not the one killing you.
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Post by Holy Moley! on May 6, 2008 14:56:44 GMT -5
You know, just for kicks, I just want to raise an interesting point: If BLAM is telling the truth, and if he's really PFK, and if he has the ability to take someone with him when he goes, and if he chooses to take me: The game will end, and the Town loses. With only one mislynch, and three no-kill Nights. Just putting it out there. Technically DBI was a mislynch, although I can't see how we could have known any better... with roles like Santo's and CIAS' about, it's natural for the townies to be automatically suspicious of any PFK.
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 6, 2008 15:51:36 GMT -5
Heh... Dio is not the one killing you. GAAAAH!
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Mome Rath
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Post by Blaster Master on May 6, 2008 15:57:03 GMT -5
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Post by storyteller0910 on May 6, 2008 19:27:28 GMT -5
<singing>
This is the Day that never ends... Yes, it goes on and on, my friends... We thought that lynching BLAM that we Could bring about the Night But we'll continue waiting here forever just because This is the Day that doesn't end... Yes, it goes on and on my friend...
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Post by sinjin on May 6, 2008 19:39:02 GMT -5
<singing off key>
Here we sit like birds in the wilderness birds in the wilderness birds in the wilderness
Here we sit like birds in the wilderness waiting for our Dio.
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Post by Death By Irony on May 6, 2008 20:43:07 GMT -5
(haunts)
Shoulda kept me alive~~
(/haunts)
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Post by tdpatriots12 on May 6, 2008 22:35:51 GMT -5
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