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Post by Rysto on Jun 18, 2008 20:49:59 GMT -5
NETA: I realize that I wasn't clear on the source of my information. It's all related to my Role, which I will not be revealing at this time.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 18, 2008 21:51:57 GMT -5
I made the ronnie soak jump based entirely off of my love of discworld combined with my knowledge that Atarus read discworld novels, and the fact the whole horsemen of the apocalypse has, well the word APOCALYPSE in it. Really? I thought that you made that leap based on the fact you both love Good Omens. Which is not a Discworld novel. And doesn't even contain Ronnie Soak. Keep digging. Really. I can't summarize ever. I have to list out the entire chain of reasoning every single time. [/sarcasm] You're just being an ass at this point.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 18, 2008 21:53:56 GMT -5
You know what I think, I think you're a PFK horseman, and I think that for some reason, you want the other horsemen dead, and I think that reason has little or nothing to do with the wellbeing of the town.
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Post by Gir! on Jun 18, 2008 22:04:41 GMT -5
I realize that this question is color related (and not even mod-provided canon-color) but: Why the Hell would a Horseman of the Apocalypse want other Horsemen dead?*
That's a complete nonsensical indictment of Rysto.
*Looks at her icon. Okay, but if atarus put that in this game, I'm exalting him continuously beginning from the second I get any confirming evidence.
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Post by bufftabby on Jun 18, 2008 22:29:37 GMT -5
Well, that's certainly one way to look at it. But I'm personally more inclined to believe a "holy water guy" type is more likely to be town than "zombie raiser" guy. I think you're a PFK and up to no good, and most assuredly intend to lynch you before the number of zombies rises to threatening levels, so I'm not too concerned about any criticism you might have of me. The grain of salt involved in anything you say is large enough to block out the sun. This game is so fucking frustrating. You want to lynch me based on the color. The god-damned motherfucking color. You know what? Fine. Lynch me. Go ahead. You have no evidence, none, that I'm up to anything bad. I've done nothing you can point to as anti-Town. But you've decided that I'm scum based on the motherfucking color, because God knows the color is always an accurate gauge of alignment and role, and you're so set in that that you're allowing it to color your approach not only to me, but to other players. So honestly, kill me, because at least then this ridiculous, ooh, zombies must mean evil nonsense will die and you (and the rest of the Town) can stop approaching situations from the standpoint of wrongheaded, evidence-free preconceptions. Maintaining a healthy distance from belief of all claims is a wise approach. Deciding on the basis of no evidence that you know the score, and basing all of your decisions on the assumption that you're right about the score, is not. So fucking kill me. God almighty, I've never been this frustrated before. Is it really so hard for everyone to imagine that the whole point of my freaking role is to create doubt? Jesus. You are raising an army, are you not? THAT is what concerns me. That just screams PFK to me all the way. Granted, perhaps you may not be, but that's how it feels to me. It is not based on the color. The zombie aspect has nothing to do with it. It's all about the army, the group, the coalition, the team, whatever-you'd-like-to-call-it aspect that bothers me. As to whether it is "really so hard for everyone to imagine that the whole point of [your] freaking role is to create doubt," I do have trouble imagining that. I've tried, but I'm just not feeling it.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 18, 2008 22:58:46 GMT -5
You know what, screw it.
Rysto you got a little lucky, because that guess had nothing to do with the fact that, yes I am War, and I'll say it straight, I'm playing for keeps. HOWEVER my win condition is such that I can not ever end the game prematurely, jump out prematurely, or anything like that. Not only that, but in most games my night action would be considered pro-town, and not letting the mafia know what my night action is seems wise at this point.
More to the point. My role basically tells me I've done my job now I'm just having fun, as for the other horsemen, screw em. Never really liked em. Try and get the town to lynch em.
So you know, I figure I'll go for it that way, play the game to have fun and have at it. IMO with no information, the games the most fun trying to play town, which is what I'm doing.
What does this mean? I have a nearly impossible win condition, even with perfect information, and really no lose condition, just don't win, so my care level, not so high, and my motivation to win, it'll be nice if it happens, but I'm not crossing my fingers. We've gone through why lynching a pfk is often bad for the town, and let me reiterate that me winning and there being a premature end to the game are completely and utterly mutually exclusive.
That said I am now 85% sure that Rysto is another horseman, and is also pfk, and while I don't know what his win condition is, I'm going to guess it's as difficult as mine, and thus do the town thing:
Unvote Rysto
Anyone got a bead on an actual sulfur smelling bugger?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Jun 18, 2008 23:21:31 GMT -5
Vote Count
Blaster Master (4): Roosh, Kison, hawkeyeop, pedescribe misterblockey (2): NAF1138, Rysto hockeymonkey (1): bufftabby
Not Voting: 9
~20 hours left before the end of the Day.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 18, 2008 23:50:59 GMT -5
I get to poke my head in for 5 mins, and just wow. My very first thought was OMG lynch blockey now. But I settled for a moment and thought it through. (Why yes that did hurt ) In the Batman game the town had a near perfect lynch record from the perscpective that only a single townie was lynched, every other lynch was a scum or PFK, yet the win still came down to the wire. Because, good design or not, the game was designed for the town not to automatically lynch every PFK it found. What if we have that situation again? I'm going to assume a couple of things here so bear with me. At the start we had 25 players. Let's say we had 4 horseman (PFK); 6 (?) demons (scum) (I'm going with 6 to be conservative); 15 survivors (town) (I'm leaving Storey in here for the moment) Without knowing TD & Molefan's roles we now have 4 horsemen 5 demons 7 town (still including Storey here for the moment) 2 don't knows (TD & molefan) If we take worst case scenario, we currently have 5 demons v 7 town with 4 PFK's in there on the townie's side as it were for the purposes of this. 5 v 7 to me looks like a terrible and very precarious situation. Because lets say town lynch horseman the next two days, the scum get two townies next two nights, and bam - we are at 5 demons v 5 townies with only the horseman staving off a scum win. I guess that is my extremely long winded way of saying we can't afford to lynch Blockey today. We need to keep hunting for scum.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 18, 2008 23:54:09 GMT -5
Quick follow up.
Blockey when I read the oog colour of the Horseman, I get a strong suspicion of what I think your power may be.
If it's not revealing too much do you have to use your power every night or can you choose not to?
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 18, 2008 23:58:45 GMT -5
Well, checking back in after a long day of work.
I felt like Rysto was trying to hard to agree with me and defend me at the time. A bit of snuggling mayhaps.
The complete absence of Blam is irksome. I too am getting to the point where I want him dead, even though I know that without real motivations it's a horrible idea. (Exorcist - unless there is a good reason why you haven't helped people out, I hope bad things happen to you as well.)
Also, I don't see what Hawkeyeop said as being scummy/suspicious at all. I too generally assume that somebody who will be revealing further the info next day won't make it that far.
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Post by Greedy Smurf on Jun 19, 2008 0:29:11 GMT -5
Another thought that has occurred, and if it is the case I think we should just all get down and pray to St Jude right now, is Storey's position.
Yes I know Storey has been loudly and longly telling everyone that we shouldn't be suspicious because he is pro-town. But let me have my paranoia for a moment.
Let's assume Storey is PFK and when his zombie's outnumber town he wins. If the worst case numbers I've suggested above are accurate Storey is actually closer to winning then we think. If TD & Mole were town that means we now are down to 6 townies. Storey has 3 zombies, so by ToMorrow at dawn Storey could have 5 zombies against 5 town (presuming we don't mislynch ToDay & scum kill a townie tonight).
This scenario still leaves us a margin for safety if A) Storey is pro-town - here's hoping B) his win condition is zombies need to outnumber everyone in town not just survivors.
I think the bottom line is town is in deep trouble right now. We've mislynched two out of three, and we've had two power roles offed from night kills. We need to get a demon toDay, and I'm struggling to identify who that is.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 7:28:24 GMT -5
Quick follow up. Blockey when I read the oog colour of the Horseman, I get a strong suspicion of what I think your power may be. If it's not revealing too much do you have to use your power every night or can you choose not to? My power is actually somewhat different than what I expected when I found out I was War, and for those who are concerned, if you lynch me, the nightly death toll will not go down.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 7:30:45 GMT -5
I just realized I didn't answer that question though, I don't believe so, but my night action isn't generally considered harmful.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 19, 2008 7:58:33 GMT -5
The posts with Screw it are always the best.
MisterBlockey
Do you know the number of horsemen in this game? Do you know for a fact that the rest of PFKs too (None are pro-town or working together)? Do you think Story or Roosh could be horsemen?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 8:04:33 GMT -5
Hm. It is worth remembering, of course, that misterblockey could well be lying. He could be scum, pulling a tdpatriots12 from the last game. But I'm going to operate under the tentative assumption that he is not. Now, I'd like to engage in some idle speculation. We have six dead humans and one dead Demon, plus two players who are dead but their identities unknown.
I currently count seven extant role claims, not including the dead:
storyteller0910 - Necromancer hockey monkey - Martyr Roosh - Amnesiac bufftabby - Mason Nanook - Angel Darth Sensitive - Possessed Human misterblockey - WAR, THIRD-PARTY
Before I go any further than this, am I missing anyone? This has been a confusing game, and I want this to be accurate.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 8:09:40 GMT -5
Also, while I'm here and feeling kind of intense for some reason:
bufftabby, are either of the dead players Masons? If so, which one?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 8:26:08 GMT -5
I know for a fact that there is at least one other horseman wandering around out here. (I'm also pretty sure Rysto is a horseman from the way he's been talking)
It's strongly implied that the others are also PFK as we're described as free agents, but it's somewhat plausible that one has gained a strong affinity for humanity and has sided with the town, I just don't see the implication there.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 19, 2008 8:31:07 GMT -5
It's strongly implied that the others are also PFK as we're described as free agents, but it's somewhat plausible that one has gained a strong affinity for humanity and has sided with the town, I just don't see the implication there. Story, Are you a horseman who has sided with humanity?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 8:34:21 GMT -5
I'm actually pretty sure Roosh is telling the truth, and no I don't care to elaborate.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 8:35:55 GMT -5
Story, Are you a horseman who has sided with humanity? Nope. My role name is "Necromancer" and I am a human.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 8:37:00 GMT -5
I'm actually pretty sure Roosh is telling the truth, and no I don't care to elaborate. Well, that's real freaking helpful.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 8:41:24 GMT -5
If I told you why I'd basically have to tell you my ability.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 8:44:38 GMT -5
Anyway, quick hit observations and then I have to run to a meeting; I'll be back shortly thereafter with more in-depth analysis and a vote.
1. Right now, BLAM is going to die, and he's going to die with four votes on him. I hope that everyone can see the myriad reasons why lynching him in this way would be incredibly unwise, but if necessary I'll enumerate them when I get back.
2. misterblockey has essentially confessed to being not on our side, then refused to offer any actual help or information. While I am opposed to lynching PFK if it can be avoided, lynching PFK is a better choice than lynching someone who could be our cop, for all we know, and who is not likely to show up to tell us either way. So, misterblockey, from my perspective your situation is pretty simple: you can tell us what we need to know, including whatever information you have that suggests that Roosh is not lying, or we can kill you and you'll lose the game. Your call.
And by "we," by the way, I don't necessarily mean "the Town." The dead guys can do a lot of things.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Jun 19, 2008 8:53:30 GMT -5
I targeted Roosh the night he targeted you and the effect was his power, which even he doesn't know what it is rebounded on him. I think thats why he was told to deliver milk that Day.
I'm only pretty sure, I'm not positive, as it could just be coincidence and him lying.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 19, 2008 10:13:07 GMT -5
I'm going to be off to work in about an hour. I'll do my best to give more input before then. But before I go, I'm going to:
Vote Blam
I think that lynching him is better than a modkill, which may be what we end up getting. This way, we only lose one person. If we can suss out scum as opposed to PFK, I definitely support that lynch, but with the current state of information available to the town, I don't think it's happening.
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 19, 2008 10:22:37 GMT -5
Hello everyone, just about to get caught up. And I see I have five votes on me, and with just a quick skim thus far on the last page, it looks like they're all very poorly reasoned with, what I can tell, to be a "lynch the lurker" approach. Interesting... I'll see what else I can suss out as I read.
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Post by Darth Sensitive on Jun 19, 2008 10:27:18 GMT -5
I sure as hell would rather lynch you than have you modkilled with a different mislynch.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jun 19, 2008 10:30:29 GMT -5
Darth.
BlaM will not be Modkilled today.
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Post by storyteller0910 on Jun 19, 2008 10:31:26 GMT -5
I sure as hell would rather lynch you than have you modkilled with a different mislynch. That's an interesting perspective, Darth. A couple of observations: 1. This is silly and feeble, but your statement that you'd rather avoid "a different mislynch" in addition to a BLAM modkill makes it sound a bit like you're acknowledging that BLAM is a mislynch. Which, I have to say, you oughtn't to know as the plain old Possessed Townie you claim to be. As I said, silly and feeble, except that: 2. The argument really makes no sense on the face of it. If you think BLAM is likely to be scum, the a modkill of BLAM plus another lynch means we get one scum with a chance of getting two. If you don't think BLAM is likely to be scum, you oughtn't to be voting for him at all. Hm.
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Post by Hawkmod on Jun 19, 2008 10:32:29 GMT -5
I sure as hell would rather lynch you than have you modkilled with a different mislynch. If we lynch Misterblockey it is almost guaranteed to not be a mislynch.
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