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Sept 21, 2008 1:12:41 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 1:12:41 GMT -5
Seriously, what are the odds of him deciding he doesn't want to play, dropping out, being asked by several people to get back in, and then getting an appropriate role assigned to him when he subs in? I don't like those odds. *buffly bolded* Perhaps I'm slow, but what exactly do you mean by "appropriate role"? I don't quite understand the apparently-meta argument you're making here.
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Sept 21, 2008 2:10:03 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 21, 2008 2:10:03 GMT -5
I mean, a role where he benefits from lying through his teeth--IE, scum.
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Sept 21, 2008 2:40:10 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 21, 2008 2:40:10 GMT -5
I should clarify--I'm not sayin' it's IMPOSSIBLE that Idle's having us on, I'm sayin' it's an Idle kind of play to be telling the truth OR an Idle kinda play to be lyin', so I'd rather play the odds and look elsewhere toDay.
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Sept 21, 2008 3:26:05 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 3:26:05 GMT -5
Fine lynch me on Day two if Idle turns out to actually be the town Doc. Remember she said this now, folks. <snip snip> You're right, I don't care, so if everyone wants to lynch me, fine. But I am Town and if I go un-lynched then, as I said, I WILL work for Town and vote and serve to protect so your reasoning is flawed.* Really, I don't see what the problem is. So I claimed on Day one. So what? Scum won't know if I'm protecting myself or not. Every Night it'll be "So do we try to hit Idle or not?". *You don't know it's flawed...yet. But you will when/if I die. And then you'll be forced to have to rethink all you know about what a true Town would/may do.
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Sept 21, 2008 3:30:51 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 3:30:51 GMT -5
Found it. scumboard.proboards84.com/index.cgi?board=design&action=display&thread=167&page=15#2755Yeah, I was number 12 to sign up, Sinjin. And I was the first to drop out, as you see from that post. I only stayed in because, following that post, two or three people made me feel guilty to the point of staying in (which I still didn't want to do). So you go on and tell me that you know I really felt like playing. G'wan. You tell me how I feel. If you don't want to play, you shouldn't have agreed to come back in the game. If you are the pro-town Doc... then what, you're going to play WIFOM with the scum over nightkills until a pro-town role is outed that might need protection? Bupkis. I didn't, genius. Kat asked if I wanted to take Cookies place and I said "Well, I GUESS so..but ONLY AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. So there you go. I'm in to fill in for her. She was a Doc so I'm a Doc.
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Sept 21, 2008 4:06:55 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2008 4:06:55 GMT -5
If you don't want to play, you shouldn't have agreed to come back in the game. If you are the pro-town Doc... then what, you're going to play WIFOM with the scum over nightkills until a pro-town role is outed that might need protection? Bupkis. I didn't, genius. Kat asked if I wanted to take Cookies place and I said "Well, I GUESS so..but ONLY AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. So there you go. I'm in to fill in for her. She was a Doc so I'm a Doc. And I am real green to the off board shennanigns but sheesh. Either play or not. No one is twisting your arm. Am I being whooshed or is this the biggest chunk of crud or is this what happens in virtual Arkansas? I mean you guys are terribly inbread but this outsider ain't getting it.
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Sept 21, 2008 4:13:53 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2008 4:13:53 GMT -5
And Squiddly I am here as well. Seems like an OJ/Nicole symbiotic relatinonship is being developed. Course I've got the blades and ceviche is on the menu.
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Sept 21, 2008 4:52:40 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 4:52:40 GMT -5
I didn't, genius. Kat asked if I wanted to take Cookies place and I said "Well, I GUESS so..but ONLY AS LONG AS YOU DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE. So there you go. I'm in to fill in for her. She was a Doc so I'm a Doc. And I am real green to the off board shennanigns but sheesh. Either play or not. No one is twisting your arm. Am I being whooshed or is this the biggest chunk of crud or is this what happens in virtual Arkansas? I mean you guys are terribly inbread but this outsider ain't getting it. You don't seem to get it. I have told people CONSTANTLY that I don't want to play but that I can't say no because when people ask me to play and then beg and plead with me to play and say stuff like "Aww, come on, Idle, stick with it", I feel GUILTY and so I wind up staying in and playing, when, in fact, I still don't want to. So excuse the hell out of me for having a guilty feeling about. What people SHOULD do is just stop asking me because I don't want to play. However I have said over 4 times, AT LEAST, that I will STAY in this game simply because (hey, how do you like having to use the side scrolling bar to read this, pretty fun, eh?) they needed a sub and, as far as I know, there weren't any other subs but me. I even TOLD Kat that I only GUESSED I'd go in but only if there weren't any other subs she could put it. Since she sent me the role in the very next PM, I assumed there wasn't. So I am in, and I will play and stay in and fill this spot for my team (Town) and if I'm killed off, great! But stop giving me posts like this because it's really starting to get under my skin. I did NOT want to play. PEOPLE KNEW THIS. People have KNOWN this for a LONG TIME. True, nobody twisted my arm but YOU don't understand ME, it seems. Just the fact that they ASK ME makes me feel like they ARE twisting my arm and I CAN'T SAY NO. Yes, that is on me and not anyone's fault of my own, but that's just how I am....so I think it would just be BEST if NOBODY would ask me to fucking play anymore! I don't WANT to play Mafia anymore at this time. Maybe not for a long time. But now I'm in this game even though I did everything in my power to stay out of it and if you think I'm going to LIKE it, you have another thing coming. Now, I am TOWN. I WILL HELP and PLAY for Town, however you can still kill me off. It's perfectly fine. But it just seems stupid because I'm an extra Town player who has a pretty strong power... so if you vote for me....HAVE IT BE, AT LEAST, BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME...not because "oh, well, he didn't want to play anyway, so lets kill him off even if he is Town" because THAT is just as ANTI-TOWN as you claim what I'm doing is.
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Sept 21, 2008 5:01:34 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 5:01:34 GMT -5
When I want to play in another game, I will volunteer to go in (I.E. sign up for it) and stay in (I.E. NOT drop out and NOT give my spot to another player). But until then, don't ask me to play, please. I don't even want to be in the mini-game, really...so MisterBlockey, please take me out of that as well. As for this one, I'm staying in and I'll fill the spot as need be and play. But, like I just said, vote for me because you think this is all a scum tactic, don't vote for me simply because I don't want to play because I'm a Doctor and voting "because he doesn't want to be in the game" is plain stupid with that being the case. It doesn't MATTER IF I want to play or not, I am STILL a Doctor and I have STILL said I would play with my team. So if you don't believe me, by all means, vote for me. But if you want to vote for me because I don't want to play (and regardless of my role), then you're the one being anti-Town, not me. Me, I just role claimed on Day One. That's not Anti-Town behavior It's happened before. I've seen it happen a lot of times in games. And you know what else? I think the people who are still HARPING ON IT and making this WHOLE DAY ABOUT ME are people who are actively trying to derail conversation to try to find OTHER POSSIBLE SCUM. So if I were other people, I would take closer looks at: sinjin, booz, peek, and the others I said in my second post (for other reasons, though).
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Sept 21, 2008 5:21:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2008 5:21:40 GMT -5
Well this is going swimmingly.
Uh, Idle you might want to re-read before you start spouting off. I didn't say anything about anti-town. Merely was proposing that if you are not into the game then why even bother.
Shit, hella of a lot more inbread than initially assumed.
I mean FCS did your cousin turn you down last night?
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Sept 21, 2008 5:25:43 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 5:25:43 GMT -5
And I have already said I DIDN'T BOTHER. A few times I tried NOT BOTHERING. I
1. Dropped out of the game on the fourth. 2. Told people to stop asking me to play and that I didn't want to play anymore. 3. Gave my spot away to another person. 4. Told Kat I would only go in as long as there wasn't anyone else.
So, no, you could say that I actually didn't bother at all but was thrown in because some higher force seemed it would be amusing to put me in the game.
Yeah, she did...and it still hurts..so thank you for opening up THAT wound, too.
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Sept 21, 2008 5:30:52 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 21, 2008 5:30:52 GMT -5
And I have already said I DIDN'T BOTHER. A few times I tried NOT BOTHERING. I 1. Dropped out of the game on the fourth. 2. Told people to stop asking me to play and that I didn't want to play anymore. 3. Gave my spot away to another person. 4. Told Kat I would only go in as long as there wasn't anyone else. So, no, you could say that I actually didn't bother at all but was thrown in because some higher force seemed it would be amusing to put me in the game. Yeah, she did...and it still hurts..so thank you for opening up THAT wound, too. Actually, I was asking about cousin Ted. The one that's a little slow but always trying to please.
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Sept 21, 2008 5:32:12 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 5:32:12 GMT -5
And I have already said I DIDN'T BOTHER. A few times I tried NOT BOTHERING. I 1. Dropped out of the game on the fourth. 2. Told people to stop asking me to play and that I didn't want to play anymore. 3. Gave my spot away to another person. 4. Told Kat I would only go in as long as there wasn't anyone else. So, no, you could say that I actually didn't bother at all but was thrown in because some higher force seemed it would be amusing to put me in the game. Yeah, she did...and it still hurts..so thank you for opening up THAT wound, too. Actually, I was asking about cousin Ted. The one that's a little slow but always trying to please. I just thought he was always silent because he was a mute...
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 8:12:43 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 21, 2008 8:12:43 GMT -5
Oh, and molefan... How familiar are ya with the Marvel universe? Well, I've never heard of my character or Idle's. So probably either equal to or considerably less than pretty much everybody else here.
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Sept 21, 2008 8:23:29 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 21, 2008 8:23:29 GMT -5
So, no, you could say that I actually didn't bother at all but was thrown in because some higher force seemed it would be amusing to put me in the game. Well unless you know a helluva lot about Sinjin, Peeker etc that I don't, I don't think it's going to be a higher force that takes you out of it. For what it's worth, I think lynching Idle is an incredibly bad idea. What are the chances that there is NO townie in this game who can confirm Idle's statement without resorting to lynching a power role claimant? Does anybody seriously think there's no town-aligned investigators in this game (in Arkham Nights there were two)? Not a single person has been killed yet, remember.
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Sept 21, 2008 8:55:18 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 8:55:18 GMT -5
Most people seem willing to vote for me (or at least thinking about it even if they haven't voted yet) simply because I'm saying I don't want to be in the game. To me, this is very flawed logic because I've already said I'd play and for my team. Other than that, what's so bad about what I've done so far? As far as I know I've: 1. Role Claimed already (which is not nesscarily bad for or anti Town in my opinion) and 2. Said I didn't really want to play in this game (which, as far as I know, isn't a crime either. At least it's being honest). And yeah, 2 did have to do with why I did 1, but so what? Again, what harm is it that I role claimed already? What, letting scum know there's a Doctor? Like they probably didn't know there was a Doc already. What, letting them know who the Doc is? Who cares? What are they going to do, kill me? For all they know I could be protecting myself Nightly. So as far as I can see, it makes them have to play WIFOM on a constant basis. How is that a bad thing? So I say again: Vote for me because or if you don't believe me. Don't vote for me because I didn't want to be in this game because that's just dumb. The risk of killing me "because he doesn't want to play anyway" and losing a Doctor role is too great, I think. And one more thing: I have said this before in past games...it's also stupid to say and think what you feel a Townie would do or say. Who is anyone to say "Oh, blah can't be Town because NO TOWN WOULD DO THAT".... That's bad thinking. In two past games (Firefly and Conspiracy) people said things about my actions and posts that "No Town person would ever do that". You'd think people would learn after awhile. Obviously you're wrong to EVER think "No Townie would ever do that" because it's been said once or twice in this game already (concerning me) and I am, in fact, Town. So again, after this game is over (or at least until after I'm dead) some of you are seriously going to have to rethink all you "know" about what or what not actual Townies would do. Unless you're scum, then it would make sense.
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Sept 21, 2008 9:00:49 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Sept 21, 2008 9:00:49 GMT -5
Good show townie Idle. Let's look at what you've done for us this Day so far.
1. You've outed yourself as the town Doc, thereby seriously compromising a powerful town role. If you are the Doc. 2. You're encouraging the town Detective/Investigator to essentially waste an investigation on you early in the game. If you are the Doc. 3. Said D/I will have to out themselves to attest to your towniness. If you are the Doc. 4. You've derailed any and all discussion except about you this Day and how "WAHHHH, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY. WHY DO THEY ALWAYS MAKE ME PLAY?
Yep, sounds like good pro-town behaviour to me. (sarcasm smiley here)
SO what else do you want to talk about toDay kids? Random voting?
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Sept 21, 2008 9:07:12 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 9:07:12 GMT -5
Good show townie Idle. Let's look at what you've done for us this Day so far. 1. You've outed yourself as the town Doc, thereby seriously compromising a powerful town role. If you are the Doc. OH EM GEE! Huh? Please show me where I have done this. I said that number TWO COULD do it. I never said they should or they must. and number THREE I never said, suggested, encouraged, or even hinted at all. Uh huh. That's right. Yet here you are still talking about me, yourself.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 9:33:37 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Sept 21, 2008 9:33:37 GMT -5
There's no evidence that there's ONLY one doc. There were two or more docs in two of the last three games I've played here.
That's a big steaming pile of WIFOM right there. You see, the only reason for that investigation seems to be his claim that he's the Doc. So if he hadn't outed himself as a power role... you see?
Only if Idle is under serious threat. If he's not in danger of being lynched, there's no reason for the investigator to oust themselves in order to protect him.
Erm... no, Idle made ONE statement-cum-roleclaim. He's not the one who blew this out of proportion - and in my opinion that's what's happened here.
Let me once again emphasize that I'm not unreservedly accepting Idle's claim. For the moment, however, we have two choices: let him slide, or lynch a claimed power role. Since IMO it would be practically insane to go for #2 right now, I don't see any point in keeping this argument going to the point where it really starts to get on everyone's nerves, do you?
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Sept 21, 2008 9:55:42 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 21, 2008 9:55:42 GMT -5
Ya know, I really don't think this whole Idle discussion is really going to get us anywhere. If you think he's scum, vote for him. If you don't, don't and move on. Unless someone has some new heretofore unmentioned and epiphany-inducing argument one way or the other, the horse seems to me pretty well on it's way to the Purina plant (or possibly le boucherie chevaline) right now.
FTR, if he is town, I don't think he should have outed himself. But just because he did, doesn't mean he's not town. I partially claimed on Day 1 of Batman because I wasn't going to be around much and didn't want conversation to monopolized by what I was or have to come back near Day's end to find a huge bandwagon on me. I was town and survived all the way to the second to last night. But people got on my case because I claimed. But it had the desired result. People moved on and we nailed scum that first Day.
Unfortunately, I can't really think of anything to change the subject to, other than I'm interested in why molefan brought up the candy thing in the first place. Was he compelled to? Did he just feel like throwing out a WIFOM in the beginning?
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Sept 21, 2008 10:43:01 GMT -5
Post by Rysto on Sept 21, 2008 10:43:01 GMT -5
Ya know, I really don't think this whole Idle discussion is really going to get us anywhere. If you think he's scum, vote for him. If you don't, don't and move on. Unless someone has some new heretofore unmentioned and epiphany-inducing argument one way or the other, the horse seems to me pretty well on it's way to the Purina plant (or possibly le boucherie chevaline) right now. Amen, brother. This discussion is pretty pointless. Idle has claimed. Without any evidence one way or the other as to his alignment, I think that we're just going to be talking in circles. What I want to know about are the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. How do they figure in to the Marvel canon? The opening colour seems to indicate that Apocalypse and his four Horsemen are the primary scum group. 5 scum out of 25 seems quite low. I'd guess that we have a bunch of PFKs -- or maybe even a second scum group. Also, the teaser colour contained references to locations like " 0125"(later identified as Xavier's school). Are those names canon, or are they something or mods made up? If it's the former, can we determine anything from the locations listed? It might constrain possible false claims by the scum, forcing them to choose names more likely to be assigned to townies.
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Sept 21, 2008 10:44:51 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 21, 2008 10:44:51 GMT -5
All right, a few things here. 1: I do not accept Idle's claim without reservations, but I do feel that it's a null tell, and that he shouldn't be lynched toDay. 1a:If he were town, not a move you'd want a dedicated player to make, however if one knew you had neither the spirit or inclination to play through the whole game, engaging the scum in some massive WIFOM is great... OR (sorry Idle gotta do it, think of it as another glass of wine) he could be a townie bomb trying to guarantee himself some scum targeting. (I may have messed with plans if the latter's true, but if the former's true I may be extending the life of a doc!) 1b:If he were scum, again not a move you'd want a dedicated player to make but having neither the spirit nor inclination, getting the town distracted and microfocusing, and probably surviving through at least one lynch, since it's really unwise to lynch that kind of claim day one, not a bad idea. 1c:Ergo, it's a null tell with a motivation to wait at least two Nights before bringing it up again. 2: I was contemplating pulling you out of the mini-game as soon as you rejoined this game Idle. I was going to send you a pm to that effect, but you beat me to the punch. 3: The vitriol isn't needed folks, seriously. I'm really interested in the people who've started hounding Idle heavily. With that said: Vote Sinjin I really don't like this post: Good show townie Idle. Let's look at what you've done for us this Day so far. 1. You've outed yourself as the town Doc, thereby seriously compromising a powerful town role. If you are the Doc. 2. You're encouraging the town Detective/Investigator to essentially waste an investigation on you early in the game. If you are the Doc. 3. Said D/I will have to out themselves to attest to your towniness. If you are the Doc. 4. You've derailed any and all discussion except about you this Day and how "WAHHHH, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY. WHY DO THEY ALWAYS MAKE ME PLAY? Yep, sounds like good pro-town behaviour to me. (sarcasm smiley here) SO what else do you want to talk about toDay kids? Random voting? This reads to me as deliberate provocation of Idle while simultaneously saying that Idle's derailing the conversation. He's rushin to a conclusion and also trying to say it could go either way. Mostly though he's complaining about the focus being on Idle, then only focusing on Idle and implying there's nothing else to focus on. I don't like that at all. See there is something else to talk about.
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Day One
Sept 21, 2008 10:51:50 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 10:51:50 GMT -5
Good point, Blockey, only sinjin is a she.
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Sept 21, 2008 11:00:10 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Sept 21, 2008 11:00:10 GMT -5
This reads to me as deliberate provocation of Idle while simultaneously saying that Idle's derailing the conversation. He's rushin to a conclusion and also trying to say it could go either way. Mostly though he's complaining about the focus being on Idle, then only focusing on Idle and implying there's nothing else to focus on. And blockey's "rushin to a conclusion" that Sinjin is a guy. (Sinjin's female, BTW.)
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Sept 21, 2008 11:14:13 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 11:14:13 GMT -5
Here's something I'm going to throw in to hopefully get the heat off me and so other people can answer some questions.
That one guest post (about Storyteller repeating the rhyme and having to possibly "re set") was either bufftabby or peekercpa because the IPs match exactly (and, very interestingly, bufftabby and peekercpa's IPs are the exact same match).
Mind explaining that post Bufftabby/peekercpa?
And yes, storyteller already knows I saw the IPs and knows this. I told him if I had to be mod killed for noticing it, then that's fine but he didn't see the harm in letting me stay in so I assume he won't care if I share this with everyone.
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Sept 21, 2008 11:37:01 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 11:37:01 GMT -5
By the way, I figured out the mystery of why the IPs were the same. Apparently those who post using Blackberry have a chance of having the same IP.
But anyway, curious about that "storyteler" guest post.
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Sept 21, 2008 11:59:41 GMT -5
Post by Zeriel on Sept 21, 2008 11:59:41 GMT -5
That's a bit meta, even for sysadmin me. On the other hand, voting for aggressively bad logic ain't meta at all.
vote sinjin. Honestly, you can't see ANY reason a doc would throw out the WIFOM like this on day one? Didn't you watch the Firefly game, for example--this struck me as similar to Roosh's play.
If Idle's town, no matter what he is, he can play this so that it's a net benefit for town. If he's scum we lynch him later after someone investigates him.
I gotta admit, I'm kinda rackin' my brain to figure out who the hell in the Marvel universe gives out candy to kids.
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Sept 21, 2008 12:11:13 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Sept 21, 2008 12:11:13 GMT -5
*Watches forum eat post.* I thought it had got over freezing up after previewing. Obviously not. Now I have to retype my post. What I was saying before the board rudely ate my post, was that games around here play best if the vote deadline is not on a weekend. Since Today opened on Saturday, a seven-day deadline is Probably A Mistake - just in case the Day runs the alloted time. Personally I think Friday is a marginally better day for the Dusk than Thursday. Accordingly I will vote for a six day Day. bleached. This is a good idea. I will Unvote 7 days and Vote 6 days[/color].
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Sept 21, 2008 12:15:06 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 21, 2008 12:15:06 GMT -5
I don't WANT to play Mafia anymore at this time. Maybe not for a long time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As soon as I read the "storyteler" post, I assumed it was peekercpa. I remembered him mentioning that he realized he could guest-post as "peekercp". Now it seems as though it could only be he or I that made that post, obviously it was him. Besides, I'm a spelling bee champ, and it would drive me crazy to spell story's name that way.
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Sept 21, 2008 12:17:50 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 21, 2008 12:17:50 GMT -5
But he's made other posts in this thread under his registered name... And why the frowny face? I'm still in this game, aren't I? So I'm not a total lost cause. *half smile*
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