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Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 2, 2009 15:13:12 GMT -5
What? You plead the fifth? You know only those who are guilty of not being town would ever plead the fifth on the alignment. See, you plead the fifth because the Bill of Rights has decreed that the Executive Branch cannot force you to prove their own case against you. However, this is Mafia, not the judicial system. We aren't held to such high standards of proof here. [colorblue]vote roxis [/color][/quote] This is the post that upped Hoopy on my scum o' meter. Based on his past play this is out of character. But like I said, just leaning scum because it's early in a fluffy game.[/quote] Actually, based on the fact that I have little participation overall in this game is out of character. Part of it is I've been a bit busy, and the main game is more important to me. As both you and story know since I've said as much to you in the past, I usually don't do more than one game at a time. The other part is that I've never done a blockey game before (other than 3-hand and WIFOM), so I'm not sure how to approach it. I've been spoiled on most if not all of his previous mini-games, and so I've seen a bit of the weirdness he comes up with. Even though this game is supposedly closer to real mafia than the other things he's done, I've seen very little traditional mafia play up until your interchange with story, and that includes the way you've been playing before that. Based on my PM, I didn't see anything implying this was going to be another weird blocky game until I saw how everybody was voting. So I may be a less participatory then normal, but I'm trying to get a feel for what exactly is going on. But what exactly in my post pings you as out-of-character to any other fluffy posts I've done over the past games in mafia, other than the ill-reasoned vote, which I don't see as being any worse than anyone else's ill-reasoned vote in this game?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 2, 2009 15:15:37 GMT -5
Evening, folks. Sorry I was a little quiet for yesterday and today (Sunday and Monday).
My excuses are, in order.
1. I made the mistake of going out for the evening yesterday, at the urging of the friend who gives me a lift home. He assured me he could get me home.
2. He was wrong. (As we were crawling onto the A13 at Dagenham, he urged me to say "I told you so.")
3. I wound up sleeping on his sofa, after having watched the Superbowl. Why do you have to time it to finish at 3am anyway?
Consequently I spent most of today dozing.
I'll do a reread and see about the arguments before I vote. Good for some substantive discussiion though.
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 2, 2009 15:17:30 GMT -5
I have been reading through this... So this is my third game, so I still am a newbie, and I am playing mr. mom to a preme so there will be times that I can not post... So far there have been no real conversation and no real reason for peoples votes... Which make it really difficult to determine anything... Question for you both, do you feel people that always pressure for quoting and reasoning are more likely to be scum or town? I have played in another game where one player is riding everyone for justification, which I was agreeing with, but as time goes on it seems like it could be more beneficial for scum than for town...
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 15:27:23 GMT -5
I have been reading through this... So this is my third game, so I still am a newbie, and I am playing mr. mom to a preme so there will be times that I can not post... So far there have been no real conversation and no real reason for peoples votes... Which make it really difficult to determine anything... Question for you both, do you feel people that always pressure for quoting and reasoning are more likely to be scum or town? I have played in another game where one player is riding everyone for justification, which I was agreeing with, but as time goes on it seems like it could be more beneficial for scum than for town... Everything should be justified as a matter of course. Even if only to say you have no justification or are unwilling to provide one at the moment. That being said, asking for justifications in and of itself isn't necessarily bad. How it is done and when it is done make it either pro town or pro scum. 90% of everything that happens in the game can be helpfull to either side. Finding that other 10% is the game.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 2, 2009 15:40:06 GMT -5
All of the above is taken with a huge grain of salt by the way. There isn't much going on in the game yet, so this is just where my head is right now. Notice I find none of these damning enough to get me to move my vote away from Total Lost who is doing some hard core lurking/nonparticipating. I was away - and I told you all this: It is less formal. I mean, we haven't even been introduced. Hi. I'm MHaye. Pleased to meet the new guys and gals. There are so many I think I'll skip my usual spiel. The new people won't need it and the vets have heard it all already. I like the MHaye-speech... I have even copied parts of it in games on FB And just to let you all know - I'm not going to be around until monday (sorry). Don't worry MHay - I'm not one to forget who to credit I can't belive NAF just forgot (yes - I want to be remembered) I was away. BrokenTree say it and so did MisterB.. so I'm going to Vote NAF It's not a OMGUS - it more a OMGUF (=Oh My God U Forgot... I was away or you're scum picking on a easy target) (but I would still FOP you anytime *lol*)
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Post by roxis on Feb 2, 2009 15:44:40 GMT -5
seattleguy, I find justifying your votes more helpful to town. If you're NK'd or lynched, then town can go back and see why you voted for who you voted for. Otherwise, they don't have anything to work with.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 15:45:42 GMT -5
There are two things I find interesting here TL.
1) is that you think this is a reason to vote for me 2) that story didn't mention it either.
Even though he was throwing the kitchen sink at me.
Sorry TL, but really even with you being away, you haven't (yet) posted enough to get continued life in this game.
Post again with a vote that makes better sense and I will change my vote to someone else.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 2, 2009 15:56:13 GMT -5
Sorry TL, but really even with you being away, you haven't (yet) posted enough to get continued life in this game. Post again with a vote that makes better sense and I will change my vote to someone else. *lol* Sense to you or sense to me?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 2, 2009 15:56:45 GMT -5
I do agree that you need to provide justifaction for a vote!! Don't get me wrong..
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:08:20 GMT -5
Sorry TL, but really even with you being away, you haven't (yet) posted enough to get continued life in this game. Post again with a vote that makes better sense and I will change my vote to someone else. *lol* Sense to you or sense to me? Good enough actually. unvote TL
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:09:45 GMT -5
next up
vote brokentree
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Post by DorianPhoenix on Feb 2, 2009 16:17:30 GMT -5
Unvote Pede Because it was a fluff vote in the vein of an OMGUS and I don't feel he's acted scummy at all and would like my vote to actually garner some actual info other than I knee-jerk voted.
Vote NAF
Because of the second arbitrary vote. Once several people asked and extolled the virtues of explaining your votes he made a half excuse and recanted on Total Lost but then went on to vote without explaination for Broken Tree.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 2, 2009 16:18:49 GMT -5
I'm anxious to see what sort of deep strategy you can get from things like: 'I have a grudge! Vote MHaye!' 'Dude, you totally shouldn't have a grudge. Vote NAF!' 'I can hold any grudge I want to! Vote pedescribe!' Frankly, word. Something funny's going on here, and I'm not sure what to make of it. Is there some reason to believe that this game is anything like previous blockey games, where the in-thread conversation was as much a distraction as a part of the actual game? Because this thread has been almost 100% pure, unadulterated fluff. And all the information that I have suggests that this is a much more conventional game than, say, the Rock-Paper-Scissors games were. Voting is happening basically at random here. There has been no discussion of the setup, or any real analysis of behavior. What the heck is going on here? That's easy--it's SpoooOOO000OOOoooky! ;D Okay, sorry, I'll start taking this more seriously.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:23:32 GMT -5
Unvote Pede Because it was a fluff vote in the vein of an OMGUS and I don't feel he's acted scummy at all and would like my vote to actually garner some actual info other than I knee-jerk voted. Vote NAFBecause of the second arbitrary vote. Once several people asked and extolled the virtues of explaining your votes he made a half excuse and recanted on Total Lost but then went on to vote without explaination for Broken Tree. Someone isn't paying attention to the game. Sorry, I sometimes assume that my votes are obvious. I voted for brokentree because brokentree is the only player with fewer posts than Total Lost.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 2, 2009 16:23:37 GMT -5
I'm not going to jump on the NAF bandwagon, since it looks like he's just conducting his psychological experiments right now...and so far...they look like the conclusion follows the evidence. Unvote DorianphoenixI do agree that you need to provide justifaction for a vote!! Don't get me wrong.. This, I find suspicious. He's backpedaling quite quickly, and from something that doesn't exactly need backpedaling...it looks more like a knee-jerk reaction to accidentally posting anything suspicious...something that happens far more with scum than with town, IMO. Vote SeattleGuy
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 2, 2009 16:33:49 GMT -5
*lol* Sense to you or sense to me? Good enough actually. unvote TLSome day I'll have to not let my crush on you effect my mafia-games... until then I'll Dorianphoenix
I don't know you (at least I think) but your style seems to be a bit swinging... some post you're here in an other you're there. I can't really get a "read" on you and till I see more scummy things you a "safe" vote.
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 2, 2009 16:35:43 GMT -5
Good enough actually. unvote TL Some day I'll have to not let my crush on you effect my mafia-games... until then I'll Dorianphoenix
I don't know you (at least I think) but your style seems to be a bit swinging... some post you're here in an other you're there. I can't really get a "read" on you and till I see more scummy things you a "safe" vote. I forgot: Unvote NAF Vote Dorianphoenix
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Post by DorianPhoenix on Feb 2, 2009 16:38:49 GMT -5
I'm paying attention, I just don't fully accept your premise.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:41:09 GMT -5
I'm paying attention, I just don't fully accept your premise. Now wait, which is it? @ TL
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Post by brokentree on Feb 2, 2009 16:41:41 GMT -5
Sorry for not really explaining why I was away this weekend...I had a wake and funeral to go to...then of course the superbowl. The people from facebook were made aware of this...I just forgot to post it on these boards..
That being said.....
Vote NAF
it might look like an omgus vote..but my reason for this vote is because ...so fat it looks like a bunch of fluff votes...then NAF slides in with a vote on Total Lost for not being around ...changes it and then votes me without any reasons. It doesn't look like all of the other fluff votes...it feels sneaky/scummy to me.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:43:51 GMT -5
Well I should have previewed that last post.
The bit to TL was just a bit of flirting because she said she has a crush on me.
But seriously dorian, do you not accept my premise or do you not like that I didn't fully explain my vote?
If you don't accept my premise then you voted for me under false pretenses, if you don't like that I didn't explain my vote then now that it is explained you should either remove it or say why not.
Which is it going to be?
Also, what premise don't you accept? Assuming, of course, that you really don't accept one of them.
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 16:44:45 GMT -5
Sorry for not really explaining why I was away this weekend...I had a wake and funeral to go to...then of course the superbowl. The people from facebook were made aware of this...I just forgot to post it on these boards.. That being said..... Vote NAFit might look like an omgus vote..but my reason for this vote is because ...so fat it looks like a bunch of fluff votes...then NAF slides in with a vote on Total Lost for not being around ...changes it and then votes me without any reasons. It doesn't look like all of the other fluff votes...it feels sneaky/scummy to me. (psst, that's because they weren't fluff votes. Fluff votes are silly.)
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Post by Total Ullz on Feb 2, 2009 16:50:17 GMT -5
The bit to TL was just a bit of flirting because she said she has a crush on me. And she liked that part - really liked it a lot
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Post by DorianPhoenix on Feb 2, 2009 16:57:09 GMT -5
The premise that on the last part of day 1, it's ok to vote someone because they've posted less than your liking.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 2, 2009 16:58:39 GMT -5
I will vote for total lostinstead. Since she isn't playing and needs to die because of if. It's likely that she has just forgotten, but that doesn't really matter. She is throwing off the information curve. Total Lost did say earlier that she would be away until today AND yesterday (I think) Mr. B specifically said he was extending the day because Total Lost was away. Not sure how you could have missed both of these points. Perhaps this is just an attempt to hurry TL up on her posting today, but still.... However for now I'm leaving my vote on Dorianphoenix - I haven't heard much from him considering he should be coming to his own defence. That said I sometimes wonder if scum is more likely to be uber defensive than town. Which makes me a little less suspicious of you DP.
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Post by Chameleon on Feb 2, 2009 17:03:29 GMT -5
And yes NAF, I know you changed your vote to TL, but changed it to someone else who had also been away/busy (although it wasn't stated here). Just wanted to clear that up.
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Post by DorianPhoenix on Feb 2, 2009 17:04:43 GMT -5
I'm not defending myself for two reasons. One is that I'm unlikely to be voted lynch today and aside from the fluff posts I believe I've explained my reasoning to a degree.
Also, I think quasi-aggressive play is the way to go when nobody knows anything about roles etc..
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 17:05:19 GMT -5
The premise that on the last part of day 1, it's ok to vote someone because they've posted less than your liking. Ah, well we fundamentally disagree on that point. So, you admit your first vote for me was dishonest then?
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Post by NAF1138 on Feb 2, 2009 17:07:29 GMT -5
And yes NAF, I know you changed your vote to TL, but changed it to someone else who had also been away/busy (although it wasn't stated here). Just wanted to clear that up. I am totally with you on that. It doesn't change the fact that, in the absense of a better vote, the person who has contributed the least information to the game is the one who needs to die. It is not my fault that they aren't able to play. if they were unable to play for the next 3 weeks would you still be ok with allowing them only 2 posts?
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Post by Captain Pinkies on Feb 2, 2009 17:08:36 GMT -5
I'm not going to jump on the NAF bandwagon, since it looks like he's just conducting his psychological experiments right now...and so far...they look like the conclusion follows the evidence. Unvote DorianphoenixI do agree that you need to provide justifaction for a vote!! Don't get me wrong.. This, I find suspicious. He's backpedaling quite quickly, and from something that doesn't exactly need backpedaling...it looks more like a knee-jerk reaction to accidentally posting anything suspicious...something that happens far more with scum than with town, IMO. Vote SeattleGuyHow is this back pedaling? I am asking peoples opinion on something. After reading the responses I beleive that I was not clear in my position. To me voting for me because I am asking questions, then clarifing is anti-newbie. This voting behavior makes it so people are afriad to dialog, in the fear of getting votes.
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