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Feb 4, 2009 23:08:28 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 4, 2009 23:08:28 GMT -5
Hey, Aubby - you're not gonna get lynched Today anyway, and you never know whats gonna happen. I know we can come across fairly aggressive when you don't us (well, even if you do), but you'll get used to it. You'll have fun, you just have to let us grow on you. Grow on you? Sounds kinky. Is that kinky? Maybe it's just creepy. It's only kinky if you add "if you know what I mean." For example: In all seriousness, aubby don't leave. It's a rite of passage here to get skewered (if you know what I mean) by a couple of people in a game here. And stick with it long enough and you get to do the skewering (heh heh heh). But really, don't go.
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Feb 5, 2009 3:30:11 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 5, 2009 3:30:11 GMT -5
Oh good grief. All I said was that I thought it was odd that you jumped on brokentree like that for what she said. I said I don't like getting in people's face. I never said YOU were a bitch Sinjin. Bloody hell... wanna quit twisting my words? Isn't that what SCUM does? Please don't quit. I feel like I have been a part of the bunch that has been attacking you. I was the first player to vote you and I called you out for not contributing. This is my first game. I don't really know if people play that way, but I get the feeling that people point fingers and expect a defense. I was trying to play the game how I thought it was played. I think that this is the type of game where tension is inherent, but I do feel as though it has gotten more than a little out of hand. I apologize for anything that I may have done that could have been perceived as an attack. I only meant to point out my suspicions, but I never intended to attack you as a person.
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Feb 5, 2009 3:34:36 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 5, 2009 3:34:36 GMT -5
uh... I might have quoted the wrong post. I still meant what I said though.
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Day 2
Feb 5, 2009 13:18:29 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2009 13:18:29 GMT -5
Ok, if nobody is going to talk, lets get this over with.
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Feb 5, 2009 14:22:20 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2009 14:22:20 GMT -5
I've waded through the posts to date, and I have to say that the only firm impression I've come away with (apart from the feeling that the SCUM mason is posting a lot of garbage just to try to hide evidence Today) is that Shaggy didn't understand what a Tracker role does. Given what he thought it does, it's quite natural that he would (if Town) fight tooth and nail to save the person he thought could lead us straight to SCUM. So I'm not inclined to vote for Shaggy Today. It's possible that Shaggy is lying through his teeth of course, but then if he is then he's SCUM, and that's what they do. Reviewing my notes for Day 1 and looking for things that got lost in the drama of the Mason Challenge, an exchange caught my eye. In D01.071 Roxis suggests that Tropyfying is “clearly bad for Town,” When Sachertorte asks her to expand on what she meant, she asserts in D01.222 that Trophificationising is a SK mechanic. Frankly, the conclusion escapes me. The mysterious imposter has to be “dead or Trophyfied” for the SCUM to win. That doesn't (to my mind) make it clearly a mechanic of the SK, because the SK is the individual who must be dead or trophfied for SCUM to win. I conclude that if there is one role who doesn't Trophyficationise, it's the SK. It's either a SCUM kill method (which nets them extra points towards their victory) or it's one of those other third party kill methods (say someone like Sachertorte?) It slipped off my radar Yesterday because of the Mason debacle (and yes, that word is appropriate now, because the result is now known to be a disaster), but it's enough for a slender suspicion. If the trophy-making procedure is a SCUM weapon they wouldn't want to call attention to it. That's a slender twig to post a vote, but since the important thing right now is to silence the madcap exposed SCUM, and I haven't got any other suspicions right now, I'm going to use that as my number two vote. For third, I decided to pick on Kat, purely because she has no votes at all at the moment and therefore is in no danger of accidentally being lynched. Vote : 1. Mr Special Ed 2. Roxis 3. KatI intend to review the thread again, but last night the cases being made Today failed to “click” and I saw nothing to spark a suspicion. This review (including a very large pair of scissors) might throw something up, in which case I will change.
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Feb 5, 2009 14:53:11 GMT -5
Post by harmless little bunny on Feb 5, 2009 14:53:11 GMT -5
vote aubby 3[/color] to complete my votes. I gave my reasons earlier but didn't vote because I didn't want to start the countdown.
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Feb 5, 2009 14:54:53 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 5, 2009 14:54:53 GMT -5
ATTENTION: 12-HOUR COUNTDOWN IS NOW IN EFFECT. THE DAY WILL END AT 2:53am EST WHETHER OR NOT A MOD IS AWAKE.I know I won't be. Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | crazypunker | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Hal Briston | Mr. Special Ed | | | Hoopy Frood | | shaggy | Aubby | Kat | Mr. Special Ed | | | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Aubby | Natlaw | Mr. Special Ed | | | Merestil Haye | Mr. Special Ed | roxis | Kat | misterblocky | Mr. Special Ed | | | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Nanook | Nanook | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | shaggy | Parzival | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Merestil Haye | peekercpa | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | brokentree | roxis | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Pollux Oil | Rysto | Mr. Special Ed | | | shaggy | Mr. Special Ed | sinjin | Hoopy Frood | sinjin | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Mr. Special Ed | 48 (33) | crazypunker, Hal Briston, Kat, KidVermicious, Natlaw, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, molefan, Nanook, Parzival, peekercpa, Pollux Oil, roxis, Rysto, shaggy, sinjin | | | Aubby | 14 (13) | | Mr. Special Ed, Nanook, Parzival, Pollux Oil, roxis | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, sinjin | shaggy | 12 (10) | Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, peekercpa, sinjin | Nanook | brokentree | 4 (4) | | | Pollux Oil | Nanook | 3 (3) | | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | sinjin | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | molefan | 2 (2) | | KidVermicious | | roxis | 2 (2) | | Merestil Haye | | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | Hoopy Frood | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Merestil Haye | KidVermicious | 1 (1) | | | molefan | Merestil Haye | 1 (1) | | | Parzival | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa |
Not Voting: brokentree, Aubby, TDPatriots
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Feb 5, 2009 15:04:25 GMT -5
Post by brokentree on Feb 5, 2009 15:04:25 GMT -5
I really don't like losing Aubby although I understand her reasons. I haven't been completely in this game because I really don't know most of you and your playing styles I cannot guage. Sinjin has come across strong (thankyou for defending me Aubby) but I don't know if that is her real life personality or her role as potential scum. I know that in previous games on FB, others have swore I was scum because of the way I played...and they were wrong. That being said
vote ed...#1
vote aubby...#2...because she asked...
and I'll leave my #3 vote for later this evening...I want to see if anything else interesting comes up.
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Feb 5, 2009 15:37:28 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2009 15:37:28 GMT -5
Looking at the remaining votes for the masons at the end of Day one, I did found a post by aubby which questions Mr Scum Ed directly. Not that it excuses the bad vote, but a data point none the less. As mentioned no one first voted for special ed, but the only assertive argument that he is the least scummiest is from MHaye, who posts when the vote count is MM 28, Z 26 and Ed 18: A fast review of the three candidates. Mr Special Ed Pointers to SCUMminess; not much. Pointers against SCUMminess; He was all in favour of the Masons “coming out” to the main Thread Today. Complications : He hasn't said much Today, probably due to his employer blocking this site. I want to hear what he has to say, and particularly if he has a power. (On preview, I see he does.) A PM would be nice too. And at the end of the Day: Having thought on the PMs, I'm still wavering between Zeriel and MiteyMouse as the most suspicious of the three Masons, except that it definitely isn't Mr. Special Ed. Note I read your 'hold no grudges' post, so I read this quote twice and you are saying Ed 'definitely isn't the most suspicious', not 'definitely not scum'. And I checked, but Ed indeed didn't do anything scummy Day One, mostly he was helpful answering questions about the masons situation. In hindsight his late post of his PM is convenient, but he has a real life excuse for it, so I couldn't have posted it faster after the other did if he had been town. So I agree with your analysis of the Ed Day One. The main reasons re that (a) any protective role is likely to focus their attention on the Masons in the absence of anything better, and (b) they might hit an investigator. Yes, I know it's a long shot, but look at some of the things that have happened and sometimes it's worth taking potluck and seeing what you come up with. This is a bit more dubious, would a doctor really take a chance to protect a known possible scum rather than self-protect? You also don't mention the most obvious reason for scum to not target the town masons: town will most likely lynch them until they find the scum one. And in your last post you bring up roxis' trophyfying thing again, which caused her to claim Day One. But you don't even mention why you don't believe her claim or other explanations. 2. Double vote for Merestil Haye3. Single vote for peekercpaA total OMGUS vote to make the first two count, I'll look a Day Two for maybe a better candidate in the arguments around shaggy and aubby.
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Day 2
Feb 5, 2009 15:39:25 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 5, 2009 15:39:25 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | brokentree | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | | crazypunker | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Hal Briston | Mr. Special Ed | | | Hoopy Frood | | shaggy | Aubby | Kat | Mr. Special Ed | | | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Aubby | Natlaw | Mr. Special Ed | Merestil Haye | peekercpa | Merestil Haye | Mr. Special Ed | roxis | Kat | misterblocky | Mr. Special Ed | | | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Nanook | Nanook | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | shaggy | Parzival | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Merestil Haye | peekercpa | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | brokentree | roxis | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Pollux Oil | Rysto | Mr. Special Ed | | | shaggy | Mr. Special Ed | sinjin | Hoopy Frood | sinjin | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Mr. Special Ed | 51 (36) | brokentree, crazypunker, Hal Briston, Kat, KidVermicious, Natlaw, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, molefan, Nanook, Parzival, peekercpa, Pollux Oil, roxis, Rysto, shaggy, sinjin | | | Aubby | 16 (13) | | brokentree, Mr. Special Ed, Nanook, Parzival, Pollux Oil, roxis | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, sinjin | shaggy | 12 (10) | Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, peekercpa, sinjin | Nanook | brokentree | 4 (4) | | | Pollux Oil | Merestil Haye | 3 (3) | | Natlaw | Parzival | Nanook | 3 (3) | | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | sinjin | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | roxis | 2 (2) | | Merestil Haye | | molefan | 2 (2) | | KidVermicious | | Hoopy Frood | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa | peekercpa | 1 (1) | | | Natlaw | KidVermicious | 1 (1) | | | molefan | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Merestil Haye |
Not Voting: Aubby, TDPatriots --FCOD
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Feb 5, 2009 16:13:41 GMT -5
Post by Natlaw on Feb 5, 2009 16:13:41 GMT -5
Actually, I don't have time to look for a better third vote and looking at that vote count, there are some people to place a poke vote on: 3. unvote peekercpa3. Single vote for TDPatriotsAnother candidate is Rysto, both he and patriots only have a couple of posts at the beginning of this Day. Plus if we vote a lot, the moderators will have to out spam Ed .
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Feb 5, 2009 16:14:32 GMT -5
Post by The Real FCOD on Feb 5, 2009 16:14:32 GMT -5
We don't have to post vote counts every time you change your vote. --FCOD
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Feb 5, 2009 16:27:49 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 5, 2009 16:27:49 GMT -5
Okay, I didn't read anything by Ed for the last several pages, because my head is already fuzzy enough (I'm on Norco for post-op pain). I'm making this post short, to reduce the possibility of incoherence. First off, aubby, I hope you change your mind and stay, at least long enough to get honestly lynched if you're scum, or to change people's minds if you're not (or provide data points if you get lynched and come up Town). That said, I find myself somewhat hypocritical by doing this: 2 vote aubby, for my reasons listed Day One, and also because several of her Day Two posts that are discussing her player-opinions come across as "X may be scum, but maybe not": Examples (I'm not totally sure the links will work, so I'm quoting, too) psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=smashing&action=display&thread=749#40067psychopathgame.proboards106.com/index.cgi?board=smashing&action=post&thread=749"e=40266I'd like to see an answer from shaggy on my question from the end of Day One (repeated here): 3 vote shaggy, in hopes of a response. Even if I don't get one, shaggy (or any non- Ed person) isn't in danger, but it puts me on record.
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Day 2
Feb 5, 2009 16:28:08 GMT -5
Post by Høøpy Frøød on Feb 5, 2009 16:28:08 GMT -5
Well since the countdown has started, no use holding off anymore:
vote Ed
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Feb 5, 2009 16:28:31 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Feb 5, 2009 16:28:31 GMT -5
I'd like my vote to count but I'm really having trouble getting a read.
Therefore I'm sorry for my weak reasoning
Vote 2 tdpatriots Vote 3 roxis
my vote on tdpatriots is due to four posts today with little to no content, and not voting today.
roxis is just pinging me a little. I don't know if the confusion is feigned or not, but it's only the lowest level vote
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Feb 5, 2009 16:29:46 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Feb 5, 2009 16:29:46 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant to add something important after this:
Okay, I didn't read anything by Ed for the last several pages, because my head is already fuzzy enough (I'm on Norco for post-op pain).
Which was: So, if he said anything relevant, will someone reply to this post and quote the relevant info?
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Feb 5, 2009 16:44:34 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Feb 5, 2009 16:44:34 GMT -5
Time was that people (ok, me) thought that when a player threw up their hands in frustration and declared themselves unfit for this game, it was a solid indication of townliness. After all, being scum is easy, isn't it? You already know who is on which side, so all you have to do is act innocent and you're set.
Then I played scum. My first game on here -- Hispaniola -- if memory serves I was vanilla, but I died and subbed back in as scum. Holy crap, was that a tough gig.
My point is this -- my gut tells me that a new player acting out of frustration the way aubby did is likely town...then I remember where my gut leads, and that place is full of crap. I don't know if aubby is town or not, but I can definitely see her being frustrated scum. And if not, well, better we lynch unhappy/subbed town than in-this-'til-the-end town. 2. Vote aubby
I'm also getting the slightest ping of an eyebrow raise off of roxis. It very well may be nothing, but I'll toss my next-to-nothing vote their way. 3. Vote roxis
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Feb 5, 2009 16:54:11 GMT -5
Post by Trepa Mayfield on Feb 5, 2009 16:54:11 GMT -5
Votes: Player | Vote 1 | Vote 2 | Vote 3 | brokentree | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | | crazypunker | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Hal Briston | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | roxis | Hoopy Frood | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Kat | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | shaggy | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | molefan | Aubby | Natlaw | Mr. Special Ed | Merestil Haye | TDPatriots | Merestil Haye | Mr. Special Ed | roxis | Kat | misterblocky | Mr. Special Ed | TDPatriots | roxis | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | Nanook | KidVermicious | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby | Nanook | Nanook | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | shaggy | Parzival | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Merestil Haye | peekercpa | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Natlaw | Pollux Oil | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | brokentree | roxis | Mr. Special Ed | Aubby | Pollux Oil | Rysto | Mr. Special Ed | | | shaggy | Mr. Special Ed | sinjin | Hoopy Frood | sinjin | Mr. Special Ed | shaggy | Aubby |
Totals: Votee | Total | Voters (#1) | Voters (#2) | Voters (#3) | Mr. Special Ed | 54 (48) | brokentree, crazypunker, Hal Briston, Hoopy Frood, Kat, KidVermicious, Natlaw, Merestil Haye, misterblocky, molefan, Nanook, Parzival, peekercpa, Pollux Oil, roxis, Rysto, shaggy, sinjin | | | Aubby | 20 (18) | | brokentree, Hal Briston, Kat, Mr. Special Ed, Nanook, Parzival, Pollux Oil, roxis | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, KidVermicious, sinjin | shaggy | 13 (13) | Mr. Special Ed | crazypunker, Hoopy Frood, peekercpa, sinjin | Kat, Nanook | brokentree | 4 (4) | | | Pollux Oil | roxis | 4 (4) | | Merestil Haye | Hal Briston, misterblocky | Nanook | 3 (3) | | molefan | Mr. Special Ed | TDPatriots | 3 (3) | | misterblocky | Natlaw | Merestil Haye | 3 (3) | | Natlaw | Parzival | sinjin | 2 (2) | | shaggy | | molefan | 2 (2) | | KidVermicious | | Hoopy Frood | 1 (1) | | | shaggy | Pollux Oil | 1 (1) | | | roxis | KidVermicious | 1 (1) | | | molefan | Kat | 1 (1) | | | Merestil Haye | Natlaw | 1 (1) | | | peekercpa |
Not Voting: Aubby, TDPatriots ATTENTION EVERYONE! CHUCARA IS SUBBING IN FOR AUBBY.Also, the day will end at 3:00 EST, at which point there will be a limbo period for 5 hours, until 8:00 EST, which is when Night starts.
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Feb 5, 2009 17:01:20 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2009 17:01:20 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go, Aubby. Try us again later?
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Feb 5, 2009 17:01:48 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2009 17:01:48 GMT -5
Farewell, Aubby. I'm sorry to see you leave the game. Hang around and watch if you can bear to. have fun in the peanut gallery, and get used to people. Perhaps you could try the next game. Natlaw, I'm working through Day 2 again at the moment. Roxis's claim doesn't really impinge on what raised my eyebrows, to be honest, which was, as I said above, that she skimmed over something that may be in the SCUM's best interests to not mention. It was enough to raise my hackles and hang a vote on in the interests of making my first vote count. I await developments. I'll deal with your other queries when I've finished Day 2. Hopefully it will go quicker once I get to Mr. SE's prolific phase.
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Feb 5, 2009 17:08:36 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 5, 2009 17:08:36 GMT -5
Hi everyone. Unfortunately, I missed the start of this game, but here I am.
I see that I'm(aubby is) facing some heat off the gates here. I can say that it is unwarrented, but as I haven't read anything yet, I'll have to catch up before I can mount some kind of defence.
All I know now is my (pro-town) role and that I'm stuch in an egg and thus unable to vote.
With any luck, I'll have caught up before monday. (Man, I hate catching up)
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Feb 5, 2009 17:48:51 GMT -5
Post by sinjin on Feb 5, 2009 17:48:51 GMT -5
Well dang aubby, I really did not want you to quit.
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Feb 5, 2009 18:43:36 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 5, 2009 18:43:36 GMT -5
Natlaw, I'm working through Day 2 again at the moment. Roxis's claim doesn't really impinge on what raised my eyebrows, to be honest, which was, as I said above, that she skimmed over something that may be in the SCUM's best interests to not mention.Wait, wait. Can you clarify this? Specifically the underlined part?
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Feb 5, 2009 18:51:53 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Feb 5, 2009 18:51:53 GMT -5
I'm gonna be totally honest. I've been coming back to this thread a couple times a day and seeing more and more Ed's crap each time I wanted to make a post has really turned me off to this game. I don't even want to read this thread anymore.
I'm not even concerned with this being anti-town at this point, if that's how people are going to play (as scum or anything else) and nothing is done about it, I don't see myself enjoying Mafia. And I say this with complete sincerity. So if those voting for me are voting for my anti-town behavior, I totally deserve it. If they'd like me to sub out, that'd be fine too. In that event I want to apologize to Pedescribe seeing that it isn't at all his fault and he's already had time-issue substitutes, but if I can't bring myself a play a game I clearly am no longer enjoying, then I'm just as guilty of hurting the game as anyone else.
If there's an ignore option on this forum can someone please, please, point it out to me and in that event I'd love to go back and read before making a substantial post and forget subbing out. But I'm not parsing Ed's unsporting garbage.
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Feb 5, 2009 19:02:41 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 5, 2009 19:02:41 GMT -5
td, don't quit based on today. The countdown's been started, so Ed will be lynched in a few hours. It's gonna suck to go back and reread this thread later on, but at least he can't do it in later Days.
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Feb 5, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
Post by tdpatriots12 on Feb 5, 2009 19:09:56 GMT -5
Just to be clear, I'll sub out if people want me to because not saying anything is very anti-town. I'll probly regret subbing out after a few days to get over my total frustration, but I'm not sure what I can contribute ToDay. The onus would of course be on me to make up for it, but I've got nothing now.
Before I get too out of hand, I was probly too hard on Ed. I play Mafia for fun, and while getting players to avoid the thread might be a totally pro-scum play I feel like I spend enough time sorting through garbage on the internet as it is to start having it added it to something I enjoy like Mafia. Let's not legitimize it as a scum tactic, please.
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Feb 5, 2009 19:20:53 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2009 19:20:53 GMT -5
Wait, wait. Can you clarify this? Specifically the underlined part? Did you miss where I set the reasoning out then? See post 365 up the page a ways.
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Feb 5, 2009 19:28:34 GMT -5
Post by roxis on Feb 5, 2009 19:28:34 GMT -5
No, I saw it. I'm just not understanding. I mean, I'm fine with your vote on me, but I'm just wondering whether you think I'm SCUM or a third party. You say that if it's a SCUM-kill method, they wouldn't want to call attention to it...yet I clearly did yesterDay. So, are you thinking I'm third party?
Also, I'd just like to point out that I didn't assert it was a serial killer - I said in the post you quoted that "I don't know what kind of role does the trophyfying". Not that it really matters since I did contradict myself several times Day 1.
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Feb 5, 2009 19:40:44 GMT -5
Post by Merestil Haye on Feb 5, 2009 19:40:44 GMT -5
The main reasons re that (a) any protective role is likely to focus their attention on the Masons in the absence of anything better, and (b) they might hit an investigator. Yes, I know it's a long shot, but look at some of the things that have happened and sometimes it's worth taking potluck and seeing what you come up with. This is a bit more dubious, would a doctor really take a chance to protect a known possible scum rather than self-protect? You also don't mention the most obvious reason for scum to not target the town masons: town will most likely lynch them until they find the scum one. I think you missed some context. That statement has to be read assuming the hypothesis that all three of Mitey, Zeriel and Mr. SE are scum false-claiming a Masonry is true. Whichever one of them was lynched on Day 1 was then going to show up as Scum. The Town go "Huzzah! The other two are cleared!" There are no "known possible scum" in the two surviving Masons. Hal argues that the fact they won't kill themselves will arouse suspicion about their true nature. My response is that he's underestimating the time it will take to arouse suspicion, as the "cleared Masons" are quite possibly going to attract Doc protection for a few Nights, thus rendering it entirely unsurprising that the "Masons" aren't dead yet. Now we have empirical proof that the hypothesis is false; as soon as MiteyMouse died and her name came up in blue text. But we didn't know it then. Strongly suspected it, yes. But believed it? No.
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Day 2
Feb 5, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5
Post by shaggy on Feb 5, 2009 19:44:04 GMT -5
Well first off I have to say sorry aubby that you felt you had to sub out. Sorry to see you go. And hey chucarra , welcome to the game. I am sorry for not posting the last day or 2, but I wanted to get away and regain my thought's. I felt that would be best for all. I think we have gotten to heated in here and needed a cooling down moment. My thought's on what has gone on is, I am glad the day will be over soon, it was hard reading all the ed post's. Re: Shaggy. I have trouble reading his posts because his posting style makes my eyes glaze over. I had the same trouble with peeker initially, but now that I've acclimated to his posting style I can translate the peekerness. But the point is, I'm afraid the fact that I can't comprehend what shaggy is saying might affect my scumdar when it's pointing at him. Regardless, I voted for shaggy yesterday for the same reasons others did and he's getting into arguments with them but hasn't mentioned me. I want to feel the love. Sorry i just felt you did what you felt best, not for scummy reason's...would you like me to say your a bad boy...LOL...Feel the love...oh yes feel the love I'd like to ask, though: shaggy, you don't have a third person who even pings you enough to FOS them into vote #3? Sorry kat I did not mean to ignore you, I did mean to respond, but with all the heated argument, from me and sinjin I kinda lost track of responding, so I am sorry. I was suspicious of parzival but with the claim, I felt like for now I should wait and see. I also was mildy suspicious of roxis but felt the claim she made seemed like a town person in desperation of not getting lynched day 1. I also was mildy suspicious of sachertorte because of the post 1.366, which was a verry inspirational speach for wanting to lynch the mason scum, but then votes none of them, this seemed odd to me, but I chalked it up at the time to wanting to hear from all of them and get a better handle first, then vote. So maybe I should have voted one of them, I dunno. I just did not see enough to validate my reason's to vote. I hate day 1, as it is hard to get a good handle on one, much less 3 people to vote for. So i am sorry if that sounds bad, or if I should have but did not. Now I do have to say after reading again. I feel compelled to change my votes a bit. This is cause while sinjin and I have butted head's, it now to me reading with a more calm head, seem's like less real reason's and more a differance of opinion on how to play. Also I remember how in the last game, she stoked the fire of argument between me and ah , ed did this game between zerial and mitey , so can not help but feel the 2 biggest people to argue, tend to be both town and spurred on by the scum. So what I do find odd, is of those I questioned, there is one that never really answered for them selves, but responmded by defending everyone else. which is hoopy . I find this odd. The post 2.96, was spent entirely getting me going further on you sinjin but never answered my suspicions on hoopy himself. Even rysto has answered why he/she did what he/she did at the end of the day. So for now, sinjin I feel for my part in this debacle, I am sorry and I think i may have you pegged wrong. Maybe not but I am willing to forget and move on, for the benefit of this game and the town. For as I said, I can not help but want to think, maybe we have had our string's being plucked, to get us arguing more....Atleast for now, that is what I am thinking. So before this day ends I will: unvote all vote #1 ed vote #2 hoopy broken treeThe last is more of mild suspicion I agree with others and there pionts but more for being a placeholder vote to make my votes complete.
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