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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 21:03:17 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 30, 2009 21:03:17 GMT -5
I was not blocked. I appear to have failed to properly submit my request. I'm quite embarrassed. I had intended to watch archangel instead of hockeymonkey as was suggested to me. Could this possibly be the truth? When Ed was stalling, I was ready to lynch him, thinking that he was just stalling to make sure that his lie couldn't be contradicted. After HMonkey told us what she was doing last night, he could have just lied and told us that he watched her. Unfortunately, this doesn't give us any more info on archangel. After reflecting on her claim overnight, I don't think it really seemed to have a ring a truth to it. And so I Vote: archangel .
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 21:06:17 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 30, 2009 21:06:17 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this doesn't give us any more info on archangel. After reflecting on her claim overnight, I don't think it really seemed to have a ring a truth to it. And so I Vote: archangel [/color]. [/quote] I have major issues with archangel's claim, too, especially given what we see today. Ed could easily have made up a story... No no no. I'm not going down that wine-drenched road.
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 21:39:25 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 30, 2009 21:39:25 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry, I was out all day.
I jailed Hockey Monkey last night. Julie's question yesterDay about me not thinking to block the compulsory vig hit home. That's a better use of my power than what I was trying to do before.
Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it.
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:05:28 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jul 30, 2009 22:05:28 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry, I was out all day. I jailed Hockey Monkey last night. Julie's question yesterDay about me not thinking to block the compulsory vig hit home. That's a better use of my power than what I was trying to do before. Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it. Not sure I believe you. I was drugged and strapped to a chair. A poster on the wall in front of me urged people to rise up and throw off the chains of the Establishment. The headphones played Power to the People over and over and over. If you did jail me, I'm pretty sure you aren't on the same side as me. I think I was being held in a Rebel stronghold. Vote: archangel
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:12:08 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Jul 30, 2009 22:12:08 GMT -5
Having only 1 dead last night, even if it was a mason, certainly puts a different spin on things today. If HMonkey is truly a vig, I wonder what happened to her last night? She wasn't blocked by MHaye. And I am assuming that she didn't kill Pleo. HMonkey, we are also awaiting a report from you today. Last night I got drugged, strapped to a chair, and made to listen to John Lennon all night. I assume that's a block. It's less good than killing scum, but better than killing town. I wish I could claim a scum kill this morning. I also wish I could share my PM because the color was great! So, in other words, just another weeknight? Sorry, old joke. And "Let it be" was pretty funny, Cookies, but didn't Paul sing that one? I see we've heard from HM and SE (and now Archangel). I still want to hear from stanislaus, but I'm just as interested to hear from the people who have been quieter until now. The post count at the end of Day 2: Special Ed 53 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 45 hockeyguy8435 31 julie 31 NAF1138 25 archangel 23 Natlaw 18 BillMc 14 Pleonast 13 hockeymonkey 10 peekercpa 9 Dfrnt Breign 8 texcat 8 Nanook 8 The Pollux Oil Transit System 6 spintari 5 Captain Pinkies 5 pumpjack 5 Hawkmod 5 Merestil Haye 5 Mister Blockey 3 KidVermicious 2 bufftabby 1 Sister Coyote 1 I know the numbers don't tell the whole tale (and I'm not so high on the list myself) but we need to hear from everybody. And not just in the last hours of the Day, either. Even idle speculation is better than nothing. Don't think just because you don't know something for certain, it's better to keep quiet (with obvious exceptions). Ideas are all we have to work with. A seemingly bad idea could prove useful in unexpected ways. Or not. It's probably just color, but doesn't blowing up an adjacent building seem an indirect way to target Pleonast? I don't know why anyone but rebels would want a Mason dead, but... Like I said, it's probably just color, but I wondered and it may mean something to someone else. Texcat, I was wrong, too. I'm big enough I can admit it. No shame in being wrong. My Mama still loves me. I would have unvoted you, but I wasn't convined of anybody else and after voting first Pleonast, then Pedescribe, then you I was a little afraid to name someone else. Especially with time running out (and by the time I saw it, my vote wasn't going to change anything anyway).
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:19:05 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 30, 2009 22:19:05 GMT -5
The whole archangel claim continues to be hard to swallow. Mod-confirmed exile by Day and who the fuck knows by Night, apparently with John Lennon color? Stan, can you testify to having heard any music yesterDay? What kind of jailor doubles as a dj? And having jailed Stan yesterday and allegedly Hockey last night, this alleged jailor role sure seems over-powered. Roles who have so many choices on their menu have usually come with limitations of having to choose one thing per Day/Night cycle, not able to do something different back to back.
Also, you (archangel) have been in enough games to see how a town player can lay out wifom without causing people to react to everything you say with "wtf is she doing?". Emotional pleas and not thinking things through to what is best for town are not helping to tip the scales in your favor, at least not for me. I'm reinstating my vote from yesterday:
Vote: archangel
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:19:30 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 30, 2009 22:19:30 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry, I was out all day. I jailed Hockey Monkey last night. Julie's question yesterDay about me not thinking to block the compulsory vig hit home. That's a better use of my power than what I was trying to do before. Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it. Not sure I believe you. I was drugged and strapped to a chair. A poster on the wall in front of me urged people to rise up and throw off the chains of the Establishment. The headphones played Power to the People over and over and over. If you did jail me, I'm pretty sure you aren't on the same side as me. I think I was being held in a Rebel stronghold. Vote: archangel [/color][/quote] That's good enough for me Vote: archangel
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:21:40 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 30, 2009 22:21:40 GMT -5
It will also be interesting to see what Stan'sColeSlaw has to say about his imprisonment.
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 22:23:29 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 30, 2009 22:23:29 GMT -5
Yeah it was Paul with lead vocals on that one, but I couldn't help myself. John was in there with some harmony somewhere. ;D
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Day 3
Jul 30, 2009 23:24:04 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Jul 30, 2009 23:24:04 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I was off work today and, while I had computer access via my phone, was actually away from the net for most of the Day. I will be back to post some real thoughts in the am. Right now I need to cogitate and re read Day 1.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 0:06:59 GMT -5
Post by spintari on Jul 31, 2009 0:06:59 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry, I was out all day. I jailed Hockey Monkey last night. Julie's question yesterDay about me not thinking to block the compulsory vig hit home. That's a better use of my power than what I was trying to do before. Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it. Not sure I believe you. I was drugged and strapped to a chair. A poster on the wall in front of me urged people to rise up and throw off the chains of the Establishment. The headphones played Power to the People over and over and over. If you did jail me, I'm pretty sure you aren't on the same side as me. I think I was being held in a Rebel stronghold. *raises eyebrow* I agree with Cookies....where is Stan, and can he comment on his experience?
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 3:07:37 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2009 3:07:37 GMT -5
Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it. I don't think you're stupid. In fact, I don't think stupid is usually an adjective I use when describing people. I do, at times, call people idiots when describing their actions. And I do enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, as I believe they can often point toward anti-Town behavior and players. So, no, I acknowledge that you're smart, I just point out your mistakes, and when I do, you often make more of them trying to avoid admitting to the ones I point out.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 6:30:50 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 31, 2009 6:30:50 GMT -5
*raises eyebrow* I agree with Cookies....where is Stan, and can he comment on his experience? Yeah, I'd like to hear from Stanislaus.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 6:43:32 GMT -5
Post by stanislaus on Jul 31, 2009 6:43:32 GMT -5
*raises eyebrow* I agree with Cookies....where is Stan, and can he comment on his experience? Yeah, I'd like to hear from Stanislaus. Enough of this third-rate Godot impression - I am back among you once more. I can't really confirm HM's experiences, I'm afraid. I was told I was a prisoner (and hence couldn't post) but I didn't get the full on Clockwork Orange treatment at all. I also had no idea who was involved in my incarceration (until archangel 'fessed up, anyhow. On which note I should add that I am not the Merc.) But I didn't get any clues about which side had done this to me. I will add - because there was some speculation about what could trigger imprisonment - that I have not, to date, taken any Day or Night actions, so it does seem to be a free choice.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 10:06:34 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Jul 31, 2009 10:06:34 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to read past the first page. Very busy past three days... I'll be back on tonight sometime to hopefully chime in a bit.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 10:13:08 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 10:13:08 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry, I was out all day. I jailed Hockey Monkey last night. Julie's question yesterDay about me not thinking to block the compulsory vig hit home. That's a better use of my power than what I was trying to do before. Ed thinks I'm stupid, but I'm not, just scatterbrained. Just because I announced to scum I was self-protecting didn't mean I really intended to do it. Why didn't you jail someone toDay?
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 11:23:46 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Jul 31, 2009 11:23:46 GMT -5
To be fair, if you believe her claim, jailing HM last Night was a fairly solid pro-Town move, again assuming you believe HM as well. On the other hand, it's also potentially a fairly solid pro-Scum move, if they had reason to believe that HM would target one of them last Night.
With that said, I wouldn't be so quick to vote Archangel based on the color that HM reported. There's reason to believe that there is more than one blocker out there, and with stanis claiming not to have received the music treatment, there is the possibility that HM got double blocked last Night, by Archangel and by the Rebels as well. I admit, 3 blockers on 3 different sides seems a stretch, but we've seen weird things like that before. Batman's 2 Town blockers anyone? I don't necessarily belive that is the case mind you, but I do think we should at least consider the possibility before we go nuts voting for someone.
Ed, what exactly do you mean by you failed to properly submit your request? You didn't send it in? You have to follow a specific format? Some more information please.
Spintari, I see that you were able to come in and post. Yet you didn't answer my question. So I ask again, is there a reason you didn't vote either of the last two Days?
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 11:25:44 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 11:25:44 GMT -5
I'm seeing the case against archangel, and it seems fairly strong, however I'm not exactly comfortable cutting the day short.
Blocking Hockeymonkey doesn't exactly explain one death.
Three kills yesterday: One most likely scum, one almost certainly not scum, and another kill.
If we believe Hockey Monkey was blocked then we have, most likely a merc kill, a scum kill, and one unknown.
A doctor died who was quite likely to have been self protecting. This might have been the extra kill with the scum having a limited use unblockable kill that was in addition to the regular night kill. This makes sense on night one, but extra kill is rather powerful.
On the other hand if it was a townie who had that extra kill then things are a little stranger. If it's a one shot it was a really bad idea to use it day one. If it was a regular kill then they were blocked. Or of course they could have a role with multiple powers and/or patterned abilities (kill odd nights, investigate even nights)
Or of course HockeyMonkey could be lying about being blocked night one.
On a side note Julie Archangel stated that at night she could choose to block someone for that night or the following day, not both.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 11:25:47 GMT -5
Post by special on Jul 31, 2009 11:25:47 GMT -5
, Ed, what exactly do you mean by you failed to properly submit your request? You didn't send it in? You have to follow a specific format? Some more information please. I didn't send it to the moderator.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 12:14:34 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 12:14:34 GMT -5
Or of course HockeyMonkey could be lying about being blocked night one. On a side note Julie Archangel stated that at night she could choose to block someone for that night or the following day, not both. Thanks for the info, re: archangel. It doesn't make sense to me as a rule, though. As for HM, how about if she's the merc?
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 12:41:45 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 12:41:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure where your confused on the claim. I'm not saying she's telling the truth, but the claim makes sense. If Archangel were capable of blocking every night and day that would be incredibly overpowered.
If HM were the merc then the day one claim would make no sense. The risk of death for that kind of move would far outweigh the potential, especially since the option of killing her off has not left the table.
also that's covered under the of course Hockey Monkey could be lying option
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 12:48:50 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 12:48:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure where your confused on the claim. I didn't say I was confused about the claim. I'm saying I don't believe the claim.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 12:56:35 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 12:56:35 GMT -5
oh why?
The claim itself I found believable, the claim to have blocked hockey monkey was even reasonable and pro-town.
The unbelievability comes where you have a disconnect between the color of the two blocks Archangel has claimed to perform.
By the way there's also the possibility of the peacekeepers being a multi-person faction with a collective role block. And that they all show up as roleblockers when they die.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 12:57:52 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 12:57:52 GMT -5
I'm not sure where your confused on the claim. I didn't say I was confused about the claim. I'm saying I don't believe the claim. To clarify, you seem to be trying to poke holes where holes need not be poked, and honestly that's even starting to make me a little suspicious.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:07:50 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 13:07:50 GMT -5
And the fact that you apparently can't let archangel speak for herself or answer her own questions makes me a lot suspicious.
There's no such thing as a place no holes need to be poked if they can be poked.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:11:22 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 13:11:22 GMT -5
Spintari, you've had a number of votes and questions cast your way. Are you going to continue to ignore them?
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:25:59 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 13:25:59 GMT -5
And the fact that you apparently can't let archangel speak for herself or answer her own questions makes me a lot suspicious. There's no such thing as a place no holes need to be poked if they can be poked. I just want to pause the vote landslide so that we can get some actual talking going on. Waiting for Archangel doesn't achieve that. And you're not actually poking a hole if you're manufacturing confusion around a previously clearly explained statement by either skimming or feigning ignorance. That would be smudging.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:32:35 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Jul 31, 2009 13:32:35 GMT -5
I am, by the way, extremely suspicious of Archangel right now. However it's due to the disconnect in the blocking language and color.
However it is also entirely possible that Hockey Monkey is a rebel and she is in the middle of a complicated plot to out power roles. It would be simple enough to lie about the color of a block, knowing it would likely get a town role blocker lynched.
It's also possible that Hockey was blocked by more than one power.
I'm not being unduly hasty and I'm trying to prevent undue haste by the rest of us.
.... ..... ........ It just occurred to me that the block could have been brainwashing Hockey into the forewarned terrorist...... sorry for the Wine, but that thought was too scary to keep to myself.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:37:27 GMT -5
Post by julie on Jul 31, 2009 13:37:27 GMT -5
Waiting for archangel forces her to make her own arguments, which can lead to her making obvious mistakes in her arguments. I've seen it happen.
It's hardly "smudging" to say that I don't believe her claim at this point. I haven't voted for her, though, and most likely won't without something much more convincing.
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Day 3
Jul 31, 2009 13:49:55 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 31, 2009 13:49:55 GMT -5
I still see null tells at least, where Julie sees holes. Hockey publicly stating that she was blocked first could have provided Archangel with a convenient opportunity to step in and claim credit.
I have other issues, though. Some of archangel's powers allegedly have restrictions of not being able to perform them for two cycles in a row, yet others apparently do not, or at least cycle restrictions don't seem to apply as one type of activity (Day jailing Stan) immediately (allegedly) preceeded another (Night-bondage for Hockey).
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