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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 15:13:06 GMT -5
Post by Hawkmod on Aug 13, 2009 15:13:06 GMT -5
You would think that it would be difficult to sleep, given the constant risk of imminent death, but the town remained eerily quiet throughout the Night. When the town-members gathered in the morning there were two missing from their number.
After stumbling around for hours, Cookies tripped over a large black mass. After some deduction it was determined that the mass was in fact Special Ed. A closer examination revealed a dagger in his chest. A closer examination still revealed that closer examinations are fraught with peril, so lets just say the sole cause of death was a knife to the heart.
Special Ed, An Establishment Spy (Watcher), has met his demise.
For Julie on the other hand, there was no body to be found. But if you knew where to look there were subtle signs of her disappearance. The thief wanted poster was torn down from the town square. The mercenary's headstone was now bore an inscription of "You Lose!". Oh, and she left a note saying "Hey town it is me Julie, the Thief. I have stolen your money and am off this hellhole. Have a fabulous day."
Julie, the Thief, has voluntarily skipped town.
Day ends at 4:00 PM EST Tuesday
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 15:28:53 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Aug 13, 2009 15:28:53 GMT -5
Aww crap. We are really doing badly.
So Julie has met her own win condition and bailed?
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 15:52:29 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 15:52:29 GMT -5
Well that's clear as mud. Will Julie be back? Is she going to buy us all pie with her illicit funds?
Archangel still weighs on my mind, but maybe I should just put her in a quarantine box and just ignore everything she says that isn't a report of what she's allegedly done with her powers. I don't want to catalyze another mislynch just because she finds me suspicious. She agreed with my tie-breaker proposal shortly after I advanced it, but yesterday she used it as a justification to vote for me. Her play has made no sense to me at every turn, even her defenses.
If she's scum opting for "I'll play like a crazy person and they won't know what to do with me" then I'm willing to say she's doing a good job.
Thoughts?
In other unprovable paranoia news, if Angel and Hockey are in scummy cahoots, they've managed to buy themselves a lot of time.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 15:57:00 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Aug 13, 2009 15:57:00 GMT -5
Well it appears that Julie has her mucky paws in my wallet last night....and she didnt even leave a chocolate on the pillow!
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 15:57:38 GMT -5
Post by julie on Aug 13, 2009 15:57:38 GMT -5
Pie! Pie for everyone! Um... after I get back from the beach. BYE!
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 16:11:27 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Aug 13, 2009 16:11:27 GMT -5
Well that's clear as mud. Will Julie be back? Is she going to buy us all pie with her illicit funds? Archangel still weighs on my mind, but maybe I should just put her in a quarantine box and just ignore everything she says that isn't a report of what she's allegedly done with her powers. I don't want to catalyze another mislynch just because she finds me suspicious. She agreed with my tie-breaker proposal shortly after I advanced it, but yesterday she used it as a justification to vote for me. Her play has made no sense to me at every turn, even her defenses. If she's scum opting for "I'll play like a crazy person and they won't know what to do with me" then I'm willing to say she's doing a good job. Thoughts? In other unprovable paranoia news, if Angel and Hockey are in scummy cahoots, they've managed to buy themselves a lot of time. "play like a crazy person" is certainly a good way of characterising Archangels normal play style...unfortunately. We're down to what, 11 folk now, 2 dead scum, so we've probably got 2-3 scum still here, possibly another peacekeeper? and quite a few folk with very low participation.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 16:25:05 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 16:25:05 GMT -5
With so many vanilla Towns outed, lynched, or mod-killed...assuming that more money may have been given to other roles, Julie was potentially pretty much given a clear map to where to find more lucrative victims. I certainly hope that some of the money she swiped was scum's.
If any of you lurking your asses off are Town power roles, I really hope you have some useful information and are considering sharing it outright or at least, ya know, playing so that the rest of us at least have a chance to pick up on something. Spintari's "alienated" reference now screams an attempt at a soft Mason claim, but it was way too soft since he was left as basically a vanilla once texcat was gone. No reason to stay with the cloak and dagger with no one to protect but himself. Not necessarily something that a newbie would be really aware of though.
So not as soft as Spintari's alianation, but something other than silence would be greatly appreciated. If you don't have any useful info, don't say anything to draw attention to yourselves.
The town is falling through a stack of holes here. Between Mod whoopses, my ivory tower principles + NAF and Pleo's loophole exploits, Ed's missed action, Jaade, Sister Coyote, and Kid V not being able to play, Spintari's newbitude...I'm amazed we haven't already lost.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 16:51:41 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Aug 13, 2009 16:51:41 GMT -5
I'm insanely suspicious of anyone who voted for Stanislaus on Day Three right now. It's impossible for there not to be at least 2-3 Scum riding that train and the swiftness in which that vote caught fire is horrendious. Within a few hours that vote jumped to like six votes.
So here we are: Stanislaus 7: (Texcat, BillMc, Dfrntbreign, Pumpjack, Spintari, DarkCookies, Archangel)
Texcat and Spin were Masons, that leaves Bill, Dfrnt, Pump, Cookies and Arch.
Cookies, I'm willing to be is Town. I believe her claim of Vanilla. Arch I believe has the role she claims to have, but Town? Maybe. Dfrnt and Pump I don't have a huge read on. Both have said some things I agreed with and disagreed with. Bill...
Well Bill is the one person I'm the most suspicious of. I ranted the other Day about my thought of him being a Peacekeeper. I'm 99% certain he is not Town, and while I'm more inclined to believe he's a PK, he could very well be Scum. I get horrible vibes from 90% of the things he says. Almost everything he spouts off is in agreement of other people. He bailed out Archangel and started the wagon on Spin on Day Three (Archangel being the second most suspicious person on that wagon).
I believe they're both of the same alignment.
So I'll go ahead and Vote: Bill .
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 16:58:21 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Aug 13, 2009 16:58:21 GMT -5
Also, since Ed was killed and revealed that he told the truth about his role, it means Archangel also did. Thus my vote for Bill and not her. Besides the fact I find him most suspicious. While she is truthful in her role, she could very well still be lying about her alignment, and since I believe Bill to be with AA, I find lynching Bill to potentially kill two birds with one stone. Since he repeatedly stood up for her on Days 2 and 3. He last minute voted for Jaade on Day Two, and started a chain on Stan (the bomber) on Day Three.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 17:22:31 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 17:22:31 GMT -5
I've had similar feelings about Bill. He took that approach with one of my pokings of Nanook, the last of the living handshakers (right?) who have all ended up being town. Bill backed up the snark regarding Nanook's "I told you so" Night comment, which really had no bearing on my suspicions of Nanook. But Nanook isn't really helping himself either since the only thing he saw fit to comment about my post was again the snarky comment that had no bearing on my suspicions.
I'd like to dig up something more than "too agreeable" or having much to do with the black hole that is Archangel before I put a vote down on him though.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 18:05:26 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Aug 13, 2009 18:05:26 GMT -5
I was held captive again, and from this point forward will consider it an anti-town action for Archangel to block me. It's close enough to end game now, and we don't really have anything else to lose. The only way I think we can really pull this out is for us to kill some scum really fast. I believe I have had one in my sights for 4 nights now and it's damn frustrating to not be able to be useful.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 18:06:38 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Aug 13, 2009 18:06:38 GMT -5
I was held captive again, and from this point forward will consider it an anti-town action for Archangel to block me. It's close enough to end game now, and we don't really have anything else to lose. The only way I think we can really pull this out is for us to kill some scum really fast. I believe I have had one in my sights for 4 nights now and it's damn frustrating to not be able to be useful. Who have you been targeting? If you can make a solid case on them I'd consider switching my vote off Bill.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 18:11:34 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 18:11:34 GMT -5
Smear away and let the buffalo chips fall where they may.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 19:04:36 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Aug 13, 2009 19:04:36 GMT -5
I was held captive again, and from this point forward will consider it an anti-town action for Archangel to block me. It's close enough to end game now, and we don't really have anything else to lose. The only way I think we can really pull this out is for us to kill some scum really fast. I believe I have had one in my sights for 4 nights now and it's damn frustrating to not be able to be useful. Who have you been targeting? If you can make a solid case on them I'd consider switching my vote off Bill. Keep your vote where it is.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 19:13:56 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy8435 on Aug 13, 2009 19:13:56 GMT -5
Who have you been targeting? If you can make a solid case on them I'd consider switching my vote off Bill. Keep your vote where it is. Noted.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 19:32:19 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 19:32:19 GMT -5
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 21:05:17 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 21:05:17 GMT -5
Sorry about suspecting you, Special Ed. And MAN, my own sister.
Cookies, when I click on your links, I get the beginning of the Day and am not directed to the proper post. Am I doing something wrong?
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 21:20:53 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 21:20:53 GMT -5
I find it amazing that Captain Pinkies still didn't vote on Day 4.
Cookies, are you doing the tie-breaking thing again?
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 21:27:58 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 21:27:58 GMT -5
"play like a crazy person" is certainly a good way of characterising Archangels normal play style...unfortunately. We're down to what, 11 folk now, 2 dead scum, so we've probably got 2-3 scum still here, possibly another peacekeeper? and quite a few folk with very low participation. I think we have 12 people.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 22:23:53 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 22:23:53 GMT -5
Crap. I thought the way I did it would work with the locked threads. Sorry for not performing sufficient QA on my own post.
Hold please.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 22:26:20 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 22:26:20 GMT -5
Yes I'd be willing to put myself as the tie-breaker again. We must be getting somewhat close to lylo, and I would be a mislynch for Town, though.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 22:41:33 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 22:41:33 GMT -5
Maybe we shouldn't put you there then but wouldn't lynching peacekeeper be considered a mislynch also?
Since the bomber, or the theif (it'll break my mom's heart) didn't end the game, I guess I don't really consider the Peacekeepers a threat.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 23:08:37 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 23:08:37 GMT -5
Also, while I was waiting, I browsed through Days2&3 and couldn't find what Hockey Guy was talking about. Nanook changed his vote from Archangel to Jaade which took a the vote from 4-4 to 5-3 (Jaade). BillMC voted for Jaade and then HockeyGuy switched his vote from Archangel to Jaade to give Special Ed a chance to investigate.
As for BillMC standing up for Archangel in Days 2&3, I really don't see it. There's really not much there. Though, I did find this gem in Day 2 from Captain Pinkies:
------ Pleo, It is my MO to be fairly quiet on day 1... and I didn't get on until close to the end of day, and I didn't want to vote with little time left. I feel that people should have time to defend themselves and there has been a few occasions where my vote took someone out because they didn't have time to claim, or post... (ask bill)... I believe voting too close to the end of the day is anti-town... -----
I understand that his vote had no chance of taking out a power role, but this was followed by a vote in Day 3 with only 7 minutes left. I hate the idea of lynching a lurker again but Captain Pinkies is where I'm leaning right now.
I'd like to see what you have on BillMC, though.
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 23:14:41 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 13, 2009 23:14:41 GMT -5
Yes, we were all frustrated with Ed missing his orders... But, your Honors, it illustrates the general technique of trying to nudge people over the edge of the cliff that either they themselves or someone else put them in close proximity to.
Same general thing here with NAF
And more of the same shtick here
The aforementioned Nanook-related post
This post would make me want to look at Pullox and El Capitan...if there was anything to look at...because it makes me suspect that he's playing a shell game with at least one scum buddy hiding under the shells that he doesn't flip over.
I'm less convinced of the apparent alignment connection between Archangel and Bill, but I do agree that Angel should lay off Hockey and hopefully she has a kill power and will hit some scum with it. Or maybe she'll put the town mercifully out of its misery.
And upon trying to rehash my posts I searched back farther than the first time and there is a lot of interesting takes on things that we now know not to be true (and some true but in ways that caught a lot of people by surprise) in the early game from Bill, but I think everyone should just go read them.
An example:
Followed by this exchange with texcat, which sure smells like some PIS reverse psychology with 20/20 hindsightscent:
The thing that sticks out about this the most is, if I were a townie player and had ended up deducing such things correctly in the early game, I would surely be making some "Holy shit, I was right!!!" posts, especially when everyone else was so taken by surprise. Especially when also pointing out Nanook's "I told you so".
'That's not an "I told you so post", this is an "I told you so" post.'
[oog] I know that locking the threads is to prevent people from posting in them/editing them when they shouldn't, but I don't know if that outweighs the complete and utter pain in the wazoo that trying to quote from the locked threads becomes. Can we as a Mafia-addicted commune go back to not locking the threads or hack a way for easier searching/quoting of the locked ones?[/oog]
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Day 5
Aug 13, 2009 23:44:14 GMT -5
Post by pumpjack on Aug 13, 2009 23:44:14 GMT -5
Okay... it's obvious that I must go to bed. The only thing I picked up was that most of these posts started with him agreeing with the person he quoted.
What does 'PIS' mean?
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Day 5
Aug 14, 2009 0:29:30 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 14, 2009 0:29:30 GMT -5
PIS = Perfect Information Syndrome. Making statements that may be influenced, sometimes blatantly and sometimes ever so slightly, by information that is not public knowledge, such as the scum knowing who is scum and who isn't.
Townies without Perfect Information are going to make guesses in all sorts of directions, some right and some wrong. Townies are going to agree with other Townies guesses, sometimes rightly and sometimes wrongly. A common and effective scum play is to blow small puffs of agreeable wind at strategic times and in strategic directions to encourage Townies down the wrong path, with occasional puffs when they are on the right path to build credibility.
Bill is making a lot of puffs.
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Day 5
Aug 14, 2009 2:43:00 GMT -5
Post by Dfrnt Breign on Aug 14, 2009 2:43:00 GMT -5
I have this image in my head of some combination of Pollux, Peeker, Nanook, Captain Pinkies (and possibly Mister Blockey*) sitting back and smiling while the active players start building yet another case to lynch one of our own. Yesterday we seemed to have a pretty solid consensus that lynching a "quiet" player was a good idea. Did anybody think all of them were scum? Did picking one wrong somehow confirm the rest as town? Just a couple of days ago, a friend who plays a lot of online poker was complaining about players who enter a tournament, get a modest stack, then lay back (sit out every hand or ante-and-fold) and let the other players beat each other up. They end up at the Final Table without ever risking their stack or giving the others a chance to see how they play. My friend was complaining how it wasn't against the rules, but it sucked for the people who came to play poker and got knocked out because they actually did. The mod told us he wasn't going to mod-kill anyone for non-participation. Fair or not, it seems like a legal strategy (and it seems to be working). *The main reason I included Mr. Blockey was the "Handshake" thing. In my notes I have NAF starting it in reply #57, then Mr. Blockey (sorta), Pleonast (pokes mod), Nanook ("gets it"), and it ends in reply #82 when Hawk posts vanilla PM. There were other posts in between (including at least one from me) but those were the ones I made note of. When Cookies brought up Nanook as the last handshaker I thought there were two left. Significant? I don't know, it's just what I wrote at the time, before I knew who any of them were (except Hawk ). It still seems like it could have been an opportunistic ploy that didn't go anywhere. Cookies you've brought up a lot for Bill to answer and I'm curious to hear what he has to say, but no matter what, that was a lot of work and I appreciate the effort. (No sarcasm or snark, I'm serious, that was a lot of work. Thank you.) This isn't all I'll have to say about it, but it's a lot to process and I want to hear what his reaction is before I do. Hockey Monkey, just pointing at Bill isn't really all that helpful. If you have a case, I want to hear it. But (if you'll pardon the politics), I've had eight long years of people with power "trusting my gut" and if that's all you're going on I'll consider it anti-town for Archangel to stop blocking you. Hockeyguy, I don't get the whole "Peacekeeper" thing at all. The only actual named Peacekeeper was MHaye, the First Lady of Quantom and presumably not Anti-town. The other "quasi-Peacekeeper" (if you will) was PCM, a Pro-Town Contrarian. Leaving the Thief and the Merc out of it, a third faction who wins with Town is fine with me. A third faction who wins instead of town (with no warning from mods) seems too Gastardly for me to believe. With fifteen people out of the game and no other indication of a third party (except the thief and merc, which would make a fourth faction) I'm just not buying it. Until we hear from Bill (or don't hear from Bill), I feel the same way today as I did yesterday. I think scum are hiding in the "quiet place", not all of them but enough to still consider it a likely (maybe most likely) place to hunt. I was just as content yesterday to vote Captain Pinkies as Spintari, but picked the one that got Cookies out of the tiebreaker. I wonder if maybe Cap didn't vote at all rather than being accused of doing the same thing.
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Day 5
Aug 14, 2009 3:01:12 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 14, 2009 3:01:12 GMT -5
I did forget about Blockey's involvement in the handshaking, but I at least allowed for the possibility of my crappy memory being wrong. A big drawback to lurking, imho, is that players who don't see your name with some words next to it that often start to get amnesia about what actually is contained in what few times your name is actually there with some words next to it.
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Day 5
Aug 14, 2009 8:45:22 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Aug 14, 2009 8:45:22 GMT -5
Is this a dagger I see before me?
Busy day at work, but I'll be back later to address these accusations
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Day 5
Aug 14, 2009 9:12:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Aug 14, 2009 9:12:20 GMT -5
howdie do. well i'm back. i'll try to catch up and see what in the world poor little ol' me comes up with.
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