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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 3, 2009 16:23:06 GMT -5
Or maybe the resurrection mechanic changes the person's wincon or role somehow, and that would be a reason not to accept? Just to clarify, Mister Blockey said And I think I will vote for sinjin for being capricious. I'm thinking the only players who can afford to be capricious are those that know something others don't. Vote sinjin
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2009 17:25:22 GMT -5
Well, that shoots that theory right out of the water, then.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 3, 2009 17:35:33 GMT -5
Wait, what?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2009 18:35:50 GMT -5
Squink's clarification (You know, I read the post where Blocky said that and still somehow managed to misunderstand, sigh) blows my second "why someone might reject resurrection" theory out of the water.
And that is such a strange phrase.
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Post by timmy on Sept 3, 2009 22:26:32 GMT -5
Or maybe the resurrection mechanic changes the person's wincon or role somehow, and that would be a reason not to accept? Just to clarify, Mister Blockey said And I think I will vote for sinjin for being capricious. I'm thinking the only players who can afford to be capricious are those that know something others don't. Vote sinjin Wait--- are we playing now? I thought we didn't vote until Day.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2009 23:11:54 GMT -5
It is Day - this is a mini, so there's not a separate thread. you have to watch the thread title.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 3, 2009 23:25:29 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Flying Cow of Doom (1): NAF NAF (1): Flying Cow of Doom Sister Coyote (1): Sinjin TotalLost (1): Sister Coyote Sinjin (1): MetallicSquink
Well we're not being random and capricious with our voting at all are we.....
Yeah sorry about that I forgot to change it to Day in the first post.
Day will still last til noon eastern Monday unless people really feel like they need a day one extension. Although extending day one will just extend the amount of time you all know just about nothing.:highlighted:
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 4, 2009 8:08:55 GMT -5
My only concern with ending on Monday is that it's Labor Day (US). Will everyone be around? I know I will be (stupid work!). I'd much rather be out in the backyard with my feet in the kids' plastic wading pool and nice cool drink in my hand.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 4, 2009 10:21:01 GMT -5
Wow - so only the female-players seem to really play this game Where did I snuggle NAF? I asked him about his vote and I'm still waiting for him to answer. I have to say I don't mind the vote-early-and-vote-often... but some of the votes in this game seem really weak to me.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 4, 2009 10:23:46 GMT -5
And I think I will vote for sinjin for being capricious. I'm thinking the only players who can afford to be capricious are those that know something others don't. This is one of the weak votes I'm talking about. We all know that scum are not the only players that "know something others don't". And I've read Sinjin's posts a few time and don't see where she knows something... could you point it out a bit more?
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 4, 2009 10:31:55 GMT -5
And I think I will vote for sinjin for being capricious. I'm thinking the only players who can afford to be capricious are those that know something others don't. This is one of the weak votes I'm talking about. We all know that scum are not the only players that "know something others don't". And I've read Sinjin's posts a few time and don't see where she knows something... could you point it out a bit more? I'm going only by her feeling capriciousness. In my mind, someone with the luxury of being impulsive in a mafia game very likely knows something we don't (other than just her own alignment). It implies a sense of confidence that, in my experience, isn't warranted unless you know something more about the game that others don't know. I know that scum are not the only ones who might know something but would a power role throw this out there like that? I doubt it. Again, it's Day 1 and there isn't much else to go on right now. Obviously this is a weak vote and I'm always open to new and more suspicious activity but for now, this is all I have.
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 4, 2009 10:38:48 GMT -5
One other thing that occured to me which I suppose is obvious but maybe worth saying anyway: another way in which this game is going to be very interesting (other than Mister Blockey telling us it's going to be very interesting) is that when a player is lynched, we aren't going to find out anything about him/her. Given the resurrection mechanic, I'm guessing all we will get is a confirmation that Player X was lynched.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 10:39:49 GMT -5
Where did I snuggle NAF? I asked him about his vote and I'm still waiting for him to answer. From my mafia-mentor with the "one act is not anti-town" - "don't vote based on one act" and "look at motivation before judging an act"... How is that second quote not a snuggle?
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 4, 2009 10:46:08 GMT -5
From my mafia-mentor with the "one act is not anti-town" - "don't vote based on one act" and "look at motivation before judging an act"... How is that second quote not a snuggle? So you vote for me based on the word "mafia-mentor"?? Really?? Okay - that makes no sense to me. NAF and Storyteller are two of the giant players around this site and most of us that haven't been around from the beginning think of them as some of the best players. But to think that I'd try to snuggle NAF with that word is so funny I kind of like that vote now. It's a big OoG-thing - but I guess I brought it into the game myself... so now it's here...
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 11:00:48 GMT -5
Hm. Actually, it was the whole statement followed by the series of questions, which to me feels like you're trying to look like you're doing something and engaging in discussion when you're not doing anything of the sort.
But, much like Squink, I'm not going to deny it's a weak vote. Of course it's a weak vote; this early on Day 1 weak reasons are pretty much all we've got.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 4, 2009 11:13:28 GMT -5
Wow - so only the female-players seem to really play this game Where did I snuggle NAF? I asked him about his vote and I'm still waiting for him to answer. I have to say I don't mind the vote-early-and-vote-often... but some of the votes in this game seem really weak to me. You snuggled me because you said you like me. Don't worry, I don't buy it one bit. You could totally be scum and still like me. I am a likable guy. And I did explain my vote. You just don't like the explination.
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Post by timmy on Sept 4, 2009 11:38:52 GMT -5
It is Day - this is a mini, so there's not a separate thread. you have to watch the thread title. Thanks for setting me straight. I was looking for the title change (from Night 0 to Day 1) and missed the mod announcement.
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Post by timmy on Sept 4, 2009 11:58:13 GMT -5
Wow. It seems most of you have played together and have your reasons for voting the way.
(I don't know how to link the posts to my post, so I'm going to have to RE: by order of posting, starting from the opening color.)
Day 1: Post 2: NAF votes for Flying Cow of Doom; Post 4: Has no reason for voting that way, other than that's his way of play. (Strange, but apparently some of you don't see this as scummy, so I'll let it go.)
Day 1: Post 6: Flying Cow responds with a OMGUS and votes NAF. (This seems funny in perspective of what this game is played.)
Day 1: Post 9: sinjin votes Sister Coyote for getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason (?), and also because she feels capricious.
Day 1: Post 10: Sister Coyote votes Total lost for posting less than herself (?) and snuggling with NAF.
Day 1: Post 11: metallicsquink votes sinjin for being capricious. (What comes around goes around?)
I think that's it. If there's a better way to link posts to this, can someone direct me? I think my way of numbering posts is going to be confusing (for me, especially).
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 4, 2009 12:04:04 GMT -5
You snuggled me because you said you like me. Don't worry, I don't buy it one bit. You could totally be scum and still like me. I am a likable guy. And I did explain my vote. You just don't like the explination. I always say I like you - but this time I only said I like the approach you have to mafia. You're the one saying never to vote based on one anti-town comment or mistake. You're the one saying we should look at the motivation - and I still don't see a pro-Town motivation for that vote of yours. Being a "mentor" is being someone that regarded as " a teacher or trusted counselor". I'm not saying I trust you in this game - but in the world of mafia I trust you're one of the players I'd like to hear theory about the game from. So I'm kind of okay with things you have said in earlier games and that's why I use the word "mentor". BUT my point with the post was I don't see any of the "normal" NAF in that vote for FCoD and I still don't see why you'd throw it out there just like that. It goes against so much you have said before...
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Post by sinjin on Sept 4, 2009 12:20:49 GMT -5
Day 1: Post 9: sinjin votes Sister Coyote for getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason (?), and also because she feels capricious. I voted for Sis Coyote because she was 1) whiney 2) posted boiler plate bs about Lynch the Lurker (however it's defined--big loop hole) and Lynch most (another loop hole) Liars It was a completely empty post masquerading as content. The capriciousness thing was about getting on SC's case for posting her boiler plate when I didn't intend to get on MHaye's for his if he ever posted it. It was probably the wrong word because I find MHaye's little reminder a Good Thing. I have on occasion let past games cloud how I look at certain players and it has hurt my team. That said, I have no idea why squink thinks I know something. Or why she thinks that I would play fast and loose if I was scum. The players I have seen who play most recklessly tend to be Masons, who all seem to be outed in the first several days. And no, I am not claiming Mason.
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 4, 2009 12:29:22 GMT -5
BUT my point with the post was I don't see any of the "normal" NAF in that vote for FCoD and I still don't see why you'd throw it out there just like that. It goes against so much you have said before... Yeah, but that's what mini games are for right? Testing new ideas. Besides, it got people talking, which is always the biggest Day 1 challange.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 4, 2009 12:34:58 GMT -5
"It improves people... when it works. It has been very successful. My last project survived five sessions before it escaped. Others have not been so lucky. You're all here to find the lucky one though. And starting tomorrow you will all get to vote as to who gets put in the Machine. One person a day. It has a cool down period. Help me succeed and you all go free. We must sacrifice for Science!" In the above quote Blocky says we are looking for the one lucky person who can survive the machine and be improved. When that person is found we all get to go free. Anyone feeling lucky?
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 4, 2009 12:59:12 GMT -5
"It improves people... when it works. It has been very successful. My last project survived five sessions before it escaped. Others have not been so lucky. You're all here to find the lucky one though. And starting tomorrow you will all get to vote as to who gets put in the Machine. One person a day. It has a cool down period. Help me succeed and you all go free. We must sacrifice for Science!" In the above quote Blocky says we are looking for the one lucky person who can survive the machine and be improved. When that person is found we all get to go free. Anyone feeling lucky? Are you trying to get someone to claim something?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 13:03:10 GMT -5
NAF's vote on FCOD, with no reason whatsoever until pushed by MHaye, at which point he said "I am trying the idea of voting early for little to no reason and seeing what people do with the vote." Which is kind of strange, since voting with no reason is usually anti-Town. I'm not willing to state with certainty that NAF's vote is evidence for his being anti-Town, because that early in the Day (two posts in) it's not like he would have had anything but a joke or really pathetic reason to give, anyway, unless he thought he saw something in the Night. Parzival wants to know what we should make of "it improves people...when it works" in the opening color, suggesting that there's a probability of surviving lynch, and that those who survive lynching become "powered." Sure, this seems likely from color. But Blocky also said it's not guaranteed to work the same way twice, even on the same player. Maybe we should try stuffing one player in the Machine multiple times in a row, just to see what happens. FCOD's OMGUS vote almost isn't worth commenting on, although I would be highly amused to discover that NAF and FCOD are aligned with each other and this is a clever early way of the two of them being aligned and "hiding" it. Total comes in questioning "a vote just to vote" after NAF's already explained his "motivation." And then wants NAF to justify why she shouldn't vote for him and also asks WWND if the roles were reversed. Maybe "snuggle" wasn't the right word, but this still looks suspicious for me: if Total really thinks that there's a case to be made against NAF, why is she asking him to defend himself instead of just making the case? I make an off-hand comment answering Total's question (that has apparently been deemed "whiny" but whatever), and because I don't have much else to say at that point (as opposed to right now), post my usual list of Things I Generally Believe About Mafia That Come Up Day One. Sinjin takes offence, and says she's "feeling extremely capricious." Also raises the question about why anyone other than a remorseful/mandatory vig would want to opt out of resurrection, which I tried to address but no one else seems interested in. I contribute about this game, as sinjin requested, and vote for Total. Squink corrects a misapprehension of mine, and votes sinjin because she believes her capriciousness to be a sign of PIS. I'm not sure I agree with Squink on that last point; sometimes, like NAF's vote, you just come into a game feeling different about how you want to play, PIS or no. Total asks for clarification about snuggling NAF and complains that votes seem weak...without acknowledging that it's early in the game and so votes are likely to be very weak indeed. She singles out Squink's vote on Sinjin. Squink clarifies her thinking about impulsivity, then notes that a Machining won't reveal anything about the player Machined. While I agree that's probably true about people who are Machined and don't die from it, I'm not sure why we wouldn't get information about someone who was lynched. Are you drawing this conclusion because of the resurrection mechanism mentioned? I went back and re-read Night Zero and don't see anything that says a Dead player's alignment won't be revealed. Total and I, continuing our fine tradition of hating each other on sight, go back and forth about the "snuggling." NAF pops in to point out that he did explain his vote and that Total didn't like the explanation. Timmy sums up the voting thus far. He misinterprets NAF's stated reason for voting, sinjin's reason for voting me, my reason for voting Total (although he does indicate with question marks that he's not clear on these two points). The only vote backups he gets right are FCOD's and Squink's. Total reiterates her thinking about NAF and still doesn't make a case or not based on this game. Sinjin calls me whiny again (I'm going to develop a complex, I swear, and then you'll see some whining. ) and accuses me of fluffing, and mildly defends herself against Squink's accusation. While I was typing this up, NAF commented on Total's comment about his vote, and Sinjin brings up that we're looking for the one lucky person who can survive the machine and be improved. Squink just came in and accused sinjin of fishing. I read Blocky's quote a little differently, though: Like Parzival, I read the first part to mean that anyone can be improved (but some will die), and I read the last part as saying the Mad Scientist wants to find the person who survived five sessions and if we find that person (and presumably hand them over) we all get to go free. But I freely (heh) admit that I could be wrong.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 13:05:31 GMT -5
All of that to say: I'm suspicious of Timmy because of all the misunderstanding of people's votes. I'm suspicious of Squink's suspicion of Sinjin's PIS. I do agree with Squink that Sinjin is fishing.
But I'm not ready to unvote Ulla yet.
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 4, 2009 13:44:37 GMT -5
Squink clarifies her thinking about impulsivity, then notes that a Machining won't reveal anything about the player Machined. While I agree that's probably true about people who are Machined and don't die from it, I'm not sure why we wouldn't get information about someone who was lynched. Are you drawing this conclusion because of the resurrection mechanism mentioned? I went back and re-read Night Zero and don't see anything that says a Dead player's alignment won't be revealed. I was thinking that if Mister Blockey tells us that the scummiest scum that ever scummed was just lynched and then says "wait, that scum is back in the game", it wouldn't be very fair to that player. Even if there is a mechanism that might change that person's alignment, we wouldn't know that the player's alignment had changed and would likely spend time trying to lynch that player again (which means we spend a lot of time focused on one player rather than looking for other suspicious behavior). The other option is to assume that if someone is resurrected, their alignment changes and act accordingly. (I think that's a dangerous assumption.) That's why I was thinking that in order for the game to remain fair (and interesting) we probably wouldn't learn anything. I know that Mister Blockey said that the game is likely unbalanced but learning the alignment of someone who was lynched and then resurrected seems beyond just unbalanced. I could be wrong and I am open to other possibilities. Obviously we will find out toNight when we lynch someone.
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Post by timmy on Sept 4, 2009 13:56:39 GMT -5
NAF's vote on FCOD, with no reason whatsoever until pushed by MHaye, at which point he said "I am trying the idea of voting early for little to no reason and seeing what people do with the vote." Which is kind of strange, since voting with no reason is usually anti-Town. I'm not willing to state with certainty that NAF's vote is evidence for his being anti-Town, because that early in the Day (two posts in) it's not like he would have had anything but a joke or really pathetic reason to give, anyway, unless he thought he saw something in the Night. [snip] Timmy sums up the voting thus far. He misinterprets NAF's stated reason for voting, sinjin's reason for voting me, my reason for voting Total (although he does indicate with question marks that he's not clear on these two points). The only vote backups he gets right are FCOD's and Squink's. I see where I misinterpreted NAF's reasons. But unless I'm mistaken, this is why sinjin voted for you: Her comments about feeling extremely capricious were followed with smilies. I don't where I misinterpreted her reasons for voting for you, unless you count my misinterpretation of NAF's earlier reasons. And your reasons for voting Total were: and came at the end of your post. You backed that up later, here: [/quote] I'm glad I got the last two interpretations right. This is my first true Mafia game, I've been reading the past games and I played in the Three Clans game earlier.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 14:14:57 GMT -5
Day 1: Post 9: sinjin votes Sister Coyote for getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason (?), and also because she feels capricious. Sinjin's vote on me had nothing to do with me getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason. My vote on Total does have to do with NAF. But I wasn't commenting on her quantity of posts; to that point, her posts had consisted of one fluff and the post where she asked questions but didn't actually set out a case.
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Post by timmy on Sept 4, 2009 14:22:06 GMT -5
Day 1: Post 9: sinjin votes Sister Coyote for getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason (?), and also because she feels capricious. Sinjin's vote on me had nothing to do with me getting on NAF's case about voting without a valid reason. The way I'm reading it leads me to think otherwise. Maybe I'm missing something between the lines. I'll go back and read the entire post again.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 14:44:24 GMT -5
I was thinking that if Mister Blockey tells us that the scummiest scum that ever scummed was just lynched and then says "wait, that scum is back in the game", it wouldn't be very fair to that player. Even if there is a mechanism that might change that person's alignment, we wouldn't know that the player's alignment had changed and would likely spend time trying to lynch that player again (which means we spend a lot of time focused on one player rather than looking for other suspicious behavior). The other option is to assume that if someone is resurrected, their alignment changes and act accordingly. (I think that's a dangerous assumption.) Okay, yeah, you're probably right (although that would certainly not be a reason to accept resurrection!). We have already established that Blockey said that a player's wincon couldn't change, though, so it's not just a dangerous assumption it's almost certainly wrong.
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