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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 17:45:26 GMT -5
My only concern with ending on Monday is that it's Labor Day (US). Will everyone be around? I know I will be (stupid work!). I'd much rather be out in the backyard with my feet in the kids' plastic wading pool and nice cool drink in my hand. I'm catching up, but felt the need to comment on the scheduling before I got further. I'll be in town and all that on Monday, and generally I'll be around at noon. But Labor Day I probably won't. It's time and a half at work, and I plan on milking as many hours as I can...
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 17:59:28 GMT -5
NAF's vote on FCOD, with no reason whatsoever until pushed by MHaye, at which point he said "I am trying the idea of voting early for little to no reason and seeing what people do with the vote." Which is kind of strange, since voting with no reason is usually anti-Town. I'm not willing to state with certainty that NAF's vote is evidence for his being anti-Town, because that early in the Day (two posts in) it's not like he would have had anything but a joke or really pathetic reason to give, anyway, unless he thought he saw something in the Night. Except NAF did post a reason. It was to see how people reacted. Yes, it's odd, but it's a reason, and I personally think it's a better reason than your vote on TL. Well the only way we could shove someone in more than once is if they either survive the first time, or get resurrected. Right? Or did I miss something. My comment on that vote is I originally saw it as a joke vote. Since it hasn't been taken back yet, I'm starting to frown at it, but it's still soon after the vote, so we'll see. I don't think sinjin was fishing, and I agree that we need to find the person the mad scientist is looking for so we can all go free. It's possible that the person who broke free is the person the scientist is looking for as well. So both sides of that argument could be right.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 4, 2009 18:22:48 GMT -5
NAF's vote on FCOD, with no reason whatsoever until pushed by MHaye, at which point he said "I am trying the idea of voting early for little to no reason and seeing what people do with the vote." Which is kind of strange, since voting with no reason is usually anti-Town. I'm not willing to state with certainty that NAF's vote is evidence for his being anti-Town, because that early in the Day (two posts in) it's not like he would have had anything but a joke or really pathetic reason to give, anyway, unless he thought he saw something in the Night. Except NAF did post a reason. It was to see how people reacted. Yes, it's odd, but it's a reason, and I personally think it's a better reason than your vote on TL. I didn't say it wasn't a reason, or that he hadn't posted a reason, just that he gave no reason until MHaye asked for one. And, yeah. My argument on Total is weak. What else you got?
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 4, 2009 19:47:15 GMT -5
Except NAF did post a reason. It was to see how people reacted. Yes, it's odd, but it's a reason, and I personally think it's a better reason than your vote on TL. I didn't say it wasn't a reason, or that he hadn't posted a reason, just that he gave no reason until MHaye asked for one. And, yeah. My argument on Total is weak. What else you got? I'm sorry, did I need anything else? I wasn't aware that I had voted for you and needed reasoning to go with anything I've said. Little defensive?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 4, 2009 21:01:42 GMT -5
It's not a joke vote, I'm gonna leave it on him until I see someone more scummy.
--FCOD
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Post by Parzival on Sept 4, 2009 22:16:15 GMT -5
I actually do think sinjin was doing some fishing, or potentially trying to set up a scum buddy. My fear is that there could be scum that want to be lynched, or a crazy townie type.
Somehow I doubt that it would be as easy as randomly putting people in the machine (while the scum are killing at night).
I balance this against the lynch mechanism being unclear, so I don't find her statement as scummy as it might be in a more normal game. Nevertheless, I don't see anyone else scummier, and I want to put a vote in:
Vote: Sinjin
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Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 4, 2009 23:21:20 GMT -5
Actually a third party looked over the game and said it was at least superficially balanced.
To clarify another thing: There will be a role reveal upon any players death or removal. This game is confusing enough without one. That's what was meant when I said the game had cardflip.
A final clarification: There are no secret Mod actions in this game. All actions are player initiated. In other words, everything that happens is caused by someone currently playing the game.:highlighted:
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Post by BillMc on Sept 5, 2009 3:15:23 GMT -5
A final clarification: There are no secret Mod actions in this game. All actions are player initiated. In other words, everything that happens is caused by someone currently playing the game. Oh that's nice - blame us for everything!
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Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 5, 2009 12:03:40 GMT -5
Please remember to uncheck the highlight option when quoting a post highlighted by the mod.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 5, 2009 16:39:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, did I need anything else? I wasn't aware that I had voted for you and needed reasoning to go with anything I've said. Little defensive? Nope. Honestly asking what else you got. On account of right now, you don't even have a vote on the board.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 5, 2009 21:50:45 GMT -5
[quote author=sinjin board=mini thread=1076 post=53443 time=1252085698 Anyone feeling lucky?[/quote]
Note to those of you voting for me for fishing with this question. It was a joke kids. Think Clint Eastwood.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 5, 2009 21:52:10 GMT -5
Can you fix that tag Mr. B? It hurts my eyes.
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Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 5, 2009 23:44:24 GMT -5
Can you fix that tag Mr. B? It hurts my eyes. Not actually a full mod, sorry.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2009 5:39:49 GMT -5
Well there seems to be a fair amount of discussion on NAF's opening vote Grudge post? I don't have a good reason. I just like to try different ideas in mini games. In this game I am trying the idea of voting early for little to no reason and seeing what people do with the vote. Blockey's already said this is a non-standard game - so discussing game mechanics is probably going to get us nowhere until a few folk are dead. Like his other infamous non-standard game - 3Clan - day 1 devolved into random votes for no or petty reasons. So personally, I have no problem with NAF throwing a random vote out there....indeed it has given us something better to talk about than "I hate day 1" Well then. Vote: Flying Cow of Doom. From NAF? A vote just to vote? From my mafia-mentor with the "one act is not anti-town" - "don't vote based on one act" and "look at motivation before judging an act"... So tell me - what was you motivation behind that vote? Just to try something new? Why FCoD? Why not give a reason? I'm asking you - why do you think I should not vote for that behavior?
If I had voted like you did - what would you do? Total's response on the other hand is pinging me - seeming most offended that NAF isn't playing the way she expected him to play. The underlined part is almost fishing. Vote: Total
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 6, 2009 10:29:38 GMT -5
I'm sorry, did I need anything else? I wasn't aware that I had voted for you and needed reasoning to go with anything I've said. Little defensive? Nope. Honestly asking what else you got. On account of right now, you don't even have a vote on the board. Is that a problem? Day isn't over yet. I'll get my vote in, and it'll have a reason. And I'll try not to vote at the last minute, but I can't promise not too. If I do though, feel free to question my motives and reasoning the following Day if you so choose. I'll always answer any and all questions.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 6, 2009 17:33:46 GMT -5
Vote: Sister Cyoote
It's Day One, so it's not a lot to go on, but you seem the most suspicious based on your posts. I think you've been very defensive in some of your posts, and I feel that means you have something to hide.
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Post by MiteyMouse on Sept 6, 2009 21:06:21 GMT -5
Wow...I'm sorry guys! Real life seems to have gotten in the way of my mafia addiction.
NAF voting without reasoning shocks me more than I can say...that is the really big thing that has jumped out at me at this point.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 6, 2009 21:42:35 GMT -5
NAF voting without reasoning shocks me more than I can say...that is the really big thing that has jumped out at me at this point. Hello??? After three pages this is the only thing that rings your bell?
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Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 6, 2009 23:37:46 GMT -5
Current Vote Count:
Sinjin (2): MetallicSquink, Parzival TotalLost (2): Sister Coyote, BillMC Sister Coyote (2): Sinjin, hockeyguy Flying Cow of Doom (1): NAF NAF (1): Flying Cow of Doom
As of now, Sinjin will be placed in the machine at the end of the day.
I've decided to extend the Day til noon Tuesday due to memorial day. We'll go back to the 4,2 schedule afterwords. Also if my night actions come in quickly enough, night will be reduced to 1 day in length.:highlighted:
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Post by timmy on Sept 7, 2009 1:00:10 GMT -5
Vote: Sister Cyoote It's Day One, so it's not a lot to go on, but you seem the most suspicious based on your posts. I think you've been very defensive in some of your posts, and I feel that means you have something to hide. (Bleached for mod) Sister Coyote called me out to explain my earlier post, and while she may have come across strongly I didn't think she was out of line. OTOH, you seem to be purposefully goading her into an argument.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 7, 2009 3:21:15 GMT -5
I asked NAF about his vote and he has had time to explain. He did give a reason - and I really don't like it.
A vote to get reactions and then not really wanting to respond to the reactions. And a vote that reminded me of Paul---Ghost's vote in a game on Giraffe. He voted out of the blue, just to get a respond, claimed scum would never draw attention to themself like that - and turned out to be scum.
NAF might test what happens if you vote early Day 1 for reactions. So I'll do in this game what I'd do in other games as well - react like this:
Vote: NAF
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 7, 2009 10:08:36 GMT -5
Hmm. A four-way tie.
Maybe NAF is right, and this is a good opportunity to experiment with unusual plays and attitudes.
Maybe Maybe I should forego my "ties are probably bad" attitude and vote for FCoD so he joins the tie. Just for this minigame?
Or maybe not.
I have to say that none of the cases so far stand out. Voting for being capricious? For attempting to summarise a number of discussions that have already been done to death? Multiple times? ow does Timmy feel about that, since he probably hasn't heard half the discussions?
NAF's vote does, on reflection, ping me just a little bit. I don't think how I reacted would be atypical; most players with even a modicum of experience, on seeing a reasonless vote, would challenge it.
And NAF must know that. So his explanation doesn't explain. Is it a cover for a more nefarious plan?
Vote: NAF1138
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Post by BillMc on Sept 7, 2009 10:30:14 GMT -5
And NAF must know that. So his explanation doesn't explain. Is it a cover for a more nefarious plan? Well it may be nefarious - from the colour and my original weak musings, I think it's a reasonable assumption the Machine isn't necessarily fatal. Kinda seems to me NAF wants to be put in the machine, to be changed in some way.
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 7, 2009 11:21:52 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both Total Lost and Merestil Haye have now voted for NAF and put him in the lead. Perhaps this is their way of getting rid of a "giant" player and a "mentor" that they don't want in the game.
I'm going to unvote sinjin for now. I need to think about which of these two - TL or MHaye - is going to get my vote.
Unvote sinjin
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Post by Merestil Haye on Sept 7, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both Total Lost and Merestil Haye have now voted for NAF and put him in the lead. Perhaps this is their way of getting rid of a "giant" player and a "mentor" that they don't want in the game. Unvote sinjin Where did I use such terms in relation to NAF? I won't deny that I've learned a few things from him, but he was never my "mentor". You're ascribing to me things that Total Lost said, and claiming those are my motives for voting NAF. That is not correct. I won't argue that he's not a "giant player," though. I just think he's experienced enough to know what the reaction to his reasonless vote would be, and that makes me think he's got another reason for his action. Still, I'll consider switching votes if you keep this up.
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 7, 2009 12:41:50 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both Total Lost and Merestil Haye have now voted for NAF and put him in the lead. Perhaps this is their way of getting rid of a "giant" player and a "mentor" that they don't want in the game. I'm going to unvote sinjin for now. I need to think about which of these two - TL or MHaye - is going to get my vote. Unvote sinjin WTF? Are you for real? Just because I vote for the same player as MHaye does mean you have any right to tie us together like that. He never said anything remotely like my "mentor"-comment (which I've already explained). To follow you logic: So because NAF is a "giant" player I'm not allowed to vote for his anti-town vote... because that would only be me trying to get rid of him?? I think you should put your vote where your mouth is - and when you vote me - please tell me why you're so sure NAF isn't scum and what pro-town motivation you see in his play-style this game!
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 7, 2009 12:41:59 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both Total Lost and Merestil Haye have now voted for NAF and put him in the lead. Perhaps this is their way of getting rid of a "giant" player and a "mentor" that they don't want in the game. Unvote sinjin Where did I use such terms in relation to NAF? I won't deny that I've learned a few things from him, but he was never my "mentor". You're ascribing to me things that Total Lost said, and claiming those are my motives for voting NAF. That is not correct. I won't argue that he's not a "giant player," though. I just think he's experienced enough to know what the reaction to his reasonless vote would be, and that makes me think he's got another reason for his action. Still, I'll consider switching votes if you keep this up. I didn't say that you said those things. I'm thinking you are voting along with your scum buddy (who did say those things).
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Post by Total Ullz on Sept 7, 2009 12:46:49 GMT -5
Where did I use such terms in relation to NAF? I won't deny that I've learned a few things from him, but he was never my "mentor". You're ascribing to me things that Total Lost said, and claiming those are my motives for voting NAF. That is not correct. I won't argue that he's not a "giant player," though. I just think he's experienced enough to know what the reaction to his reasonless vote would be, and that makes me think he's got another reason for his action. Still, I'll consider switching votes if you keep this up. I didn't say that you said those things. I'm thinking you are voting along with your scum buddy (who did say those things). And I still think you should put your vote where you mouth is...
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Post by metallicsquink on Sept 7, 2009 12:51:15 GMT -5
I find it interesting that both Total Lost and Merestil Haye have now voted for NAF and put him in the lead. Perhaps this is their way of getting rid of a "giant" player and a "mentor" that they don't want in the game. I'm going to unvote sinjin for now. I need to think about which of these two - TL or MHaye - is going to get my vote. Unvote sinjinWTF? Are you for real? Just because I vote for the same player as MHaye does mean you have any right to tie us together like that. He never said anything remotely like my "mentor"-comment (which I've already explained). To follow you logic: So because NAF is a "giant" player I'm not allowed to vote for his anti-town vote... because that would only be me trying to get rid of him?? I think you should put your vote where your mouth is - and when you vote me - please tell me why you're so sure NAF isn't scum and what pro-town motivation you see in his play-style this game! Wow! It seems I struck a nerve. My point is that your case against NAF seems weak and a good excuse for getting rid of a good player. My vote against you or MHaye does not mean that I don't think NAF isn't scum, too, but at this point he isn't the one with the suspicious behavior. As for linking your two votes together, it's a suspicion that you are voting together (i.e., on the same team). And I'm sure you can say "well, that would be dumb for two scum to vote right after the other and make themselves look so suspicious" but at the same time, who knows what scum would or would not do. And on Day 1, I think it's very difficult to find "pro-town" motivation for any votes since there isn't much to go on. By the same token, I don't see his vote as being any more anti-town than anyone else's. Plus, he did give a reason for his vote, no matter how lame you think it is. And I think I'll take your advice: Vote Total Lost I wish I could vote for both of you since you both seem so horribly offended by my comments but you seem to be more defensive than MHaye to me at this point.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 7, 2009 12:59:35 GMT -5
Where did I use such terms in relation to NAF? I won't deny that I've learned a few things from him, but he was never my "mentor". You're ascribing to me things that Total Lost said, and claiming those are my motives for voting NAF. That is not correct. I won't argue that he's not a "giant player," though. I just think he's experienced enough to know what the reaction to his reasonless vote would be, and that makes me think he's got another reason for his action. Still, I'll consider switching votes if you keep this up. I didn't say that you said those things. I'm thinking you are voting along with your scum buddy (who did say those things). And what, pray tell, did both of them do that cement their alignment as Scum in your head? I fail to see it...
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