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Sept 2, 2009 22:01:22 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 2, 2009 22:01:22 GMT -5
I'm not talking about lies of omission. I'll try and remember and/or dig up some examples. Pick me! The Penguin in Batman! (Or even better, Molefan since he thought he was 100% pro town at the time)
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 2, 2009 22:04:59 GMT -5
In my excitement to pimp my own awesomeness I forgot to add
Even though I have done it, there are really very few good reasons for town to lie, so unless you have one of those good reasons, please don't do it. It just makes figuring out who the scum are harder.
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 22:05:24 GMT -5
Post by Mister Blockey on Sept 2, 2009 22:05:24 GMT -5
*pokes the racoon* Is it bad I want to gag this guy already?
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Sept 2, 2009 22:34:39 GMT -5
Post by Parzival on Sept 2, 2009 22:34:39 GMT -5
So there are people (and/or raccoons) who edit video to an alternate aspect ratio for sport?
Lynch all Liars is a debatable subject. I think some deliberate obfuscation from power roles is likely to occur, whether for good or ill. I'm more inclined to Lynch the Inconsistent. Sure, I allow that people might change their mind throughout the game, but I think it far more likely that scum may well say something they don't mean early one. Then as circumstances change (or due to scum buddy influence) they'll make a shift later. Lying could include that behavior, and some power roles might as well, but pushing a genuine power role to claim is not so bad as failing to find scum.
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Sept 2, 2009 22:36:33 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 2, 2009 22:36:33 GMT -5
Let me just get this out of the way Vote: Meeko It was going to happen sooner or later How do we define lurker, once we throw " Meeko " into the mix? Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? Instead of looking for some odd angle to the game so that it becomes simple for you, why not accept that it's a difficult game and you'll go through it not really figuring it all out? And, to answer the actual question we define lurker without ever needing the concept of "meeko" with or without the quotes. But to not be seen as lurker [You guys can only hope for the day.] let me tell you where I am with this game, already, and it is something I have been mulling over. That is, I read the thread earlier, and tried to post it, but I feel I can post it now. So, this sentence was to tell us that you are playing, and you have something to say...and then you don't say it? Why are we talking about claiming already? Did I miss something? yes, you missed Day 1, someone brought it up as a topic that is usually brought up on Day 1, like lurking, lying, and random votes Further, the rules state that Recruitment might could be in the mix here. If we have recruitment in this game, a claim on Day 1 would be useless. A mass claim is best held for later, when the math works better for town. At this point, we have a VERY early game, and the possible threat of recruitment. Would Conspiracy be as classic as I hear that it is, if a claim would work? [Come to think of it, didn't Pleon even state that a mass claim would not help anyone?] OK, here's a coherent thought, I must admit. It has assumptions that Pleo thought of all possibilities of mass claims, obviously this hasn't been the case in games you've played in, though the mod probably thought so (remember Lost) Also, you assume that a mas claim might be better later, we don't know that either, especially with the possibility of some recruitment. I think it might actually get worse, not better. Not sure why we are talking about claiming so early. In hindsight, for LOST it would have worked perfectly. But, hey, If I could re-do lost, well, I wouldn't have shot Hurley. OK< so you see my thoughts, mass claiming WOULD have worked there. And then you go off on a tangent about that game centered around yourself, why am I not surprised. Not that you care about that, just, Sawyer would not have shot Hurley. blah blah blah, Meeko talks more about his role in a game that's over. His role where all he did was use his one shot Vig randomly on Day 1. To anticipate : It is a Geocaching Raccoon. The Avatar is from my Account over on Geocaching.com WTF? To anticipate : A GPS sport in which you use co-ordinates to seek out and find caches and log books in which you sign your name and take and leave trade Items. My User name over there is Magic Meeko, and I leave Magic Cards in the caches I find. I'm speechless. Which is rare for me. Why the hell would we care? Related to the hobby of Letterboxing, but I hear that activity is a LOT harder to do. shut up! shut up! for the love of all that is good in this world, please play mafia and shut up about the other stuff.
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Sept 2, 2009 23:13:13 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 2, 2009 23:13:13 GMT -5
Resist urge to OMGUS.
Resist urge to OMGUS.
Resist urge to OMGUS.
Really Ed? Really?
You WTF on avatars? You have one yourself. I figured that someone would care to know what it is. You know, some people actually care to learn new things. But you vote me on it?
I can only imagine what you would have done If I asked you what your avatar was. [No, don't I know its Wikipedia.]
.... And again with "Meekocentric" verbiage. I mean, Ok, let me play as someone else for a second... Oh wait. I can't.
I guess Meeko playing from Meeko's point of view will have to remain in force.
Like old age, it might suck, but it beats the alternative.
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Sept 2, 2009 23:22:20 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 2, 2009 23:22:20 GMT -5
This is going to be a very long game.
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:23:29 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 2, 2009 23:23:29 GMT -5
Resist urge to OMGUS. Resist urge to OMGUS. Resist urge to OMGUS. Really Ed? Really? You WTF on avatars? You have one yourself. I figured that someone would care to know what it is. You know, some people actually care to learn new things. But you vote me on it? I can only imagine what you would have done If I asked you what your avatar was. [No, don't I know its Wikipedia.] .... And again with "Meekocentric" verbiage. I mean, Ok, let me play as someone else for a second... Oh wait. I can't. I guess Meeko playing from Meeko's point of view will have to remain in force. Like old age, it might suck, but it beats the alternative. I said WTF to you explaining your avatar, yes. I didn't vote you for it. I voted you because you post things that have nothing to do with the game. It's distracting. It's anti-Town. It's not needed. Why not save that for Night? I also pointed out that you seemed to think the definition of lurking would change because of your presence. See, here's where you get meeko-centric. I'm not expecting you to play as someone else, but please, everything isn't about you. This isn't "Mafia, featuring Meeko" This is mafia. When you play, it's still mafia. When you don't play, we call it...wait for it....mafia. So, of course our definitions don't change just because you are here. All that changes is the noise to signal ratio gets too high and the Scum win. And, you see, your post mostly talked about the avatars...which have nothing to do with the game. Cut that shit out.
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Sept 2, 2009 23:26:02 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 2, 2009 23:26:02 GMT -5
This is going to be a very long game. Sorry. I do have a tendency to get carried away. Another thought occurred to me too though. Meeko has never played as an anti-Town role. What are the odds that he requested to be Town? Or is that too metagamey?
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Sept 2, 2009 23:27:54 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 2, 2009 23:27:54 GMT -5
Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? People tell me I am a Peeker / Roosh / Seeker. I don't think there is anything I can do, or say, that will remove that distinction. I frankly wouldn't want to remove it. For ease of conversation, I can refer to myself in the third, to get at my entire syle of play. Honestly, frankly, I would bet that more Peeker and Meeko players would help Mafia, not take away from it. We think of things differently, and come up with things that most people never think to think. That, or we all have A.D.D.
If you want to call Thinking a "mysterious skill", go right ahead.
Furthermore, I know that my play is improving, and you even stated that I am making sense to you today. I take that as a victory. Small, but there.
Given my post numbers, I make everyone look like a lurker. Then again, Given RoOsh's numbers, he probably makes everyone else look like a lurker. My use of third person is more my style than just "me".
Do I need to water it down further?
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 2, 2009 23:31:42 GMT -5
Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? People tell me I am a Peeker / Roosh / Seeker. I don't think there is anything I can do, or say, that will remove that distinction. I frankly wouldn't want to remove it. For ease of conversation, I can refer to myself in the third, to get at my entire syle of play. Honestly, frankly, I would bet that more Peeker and Meeko players would help Mafia, not take away from it. We think of things differently, and come up with things that most people never think to think. That, or we all have A.D.D.
If you want to call Thinking a "mysterious skill", go right ahead.
Furthermore, I know that my play is improving, and you even stated that I am making sense to you today. I take that as a victory. Small, but there.
Given my post numbers, I make everyone look like a lurker. Then again, Given RoOsh's numbers, he probably makes everyone else look like a lurker. My use of third person is more my style than just "me".
Do I need to water it down further?
I understand, but you spend more time talking about your "style of play" than you spend actually playing mafia. That doesn't help Town. So, I'm asking that you stop that and start playing mafia. We all know your style. What we want to do is talk about the game, not Meeko, can you understand that?
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Sept 2, 2009 23:36:59 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 2, 2009 23:36:59 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Put me on the list of supporters of Lynch ALL Liars. Remember, in this game there's a faction that just has to kill all the Witches and then can play as perfect Townies to steal the win away from us. If a Witch claims, they're in danger from a possible one-off kill from the Cabal, or from being hunted by the Wolves (it seems to me that the Undead have much less reason to go after Witches, from my past experience as both a Witch and as a Vamp). Similarly, I can see almost any role with the exception of the Coroner (who's been a huge help to Town in both of the past games, being the unquestioned MVP of the first game), Scotsmn and Masons having a reason to disguise themselves. Any of the other pro-Town roles revealing themselves all of a sudden have a big target on themselves from one faction or another. While I might have been previsouly in favor of a mass roleclaim, I think that the Town has enough of a tenuous hold on this game (Pleo balances this to give a roughly equal shot to each of the four factions), that a mass roleclaim might actually end up with Town putting too much pressure on other Town to be of greater value than the dangers it introduces.
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:37:46 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 2, 2009 23:37:46 GMT -5
I'm not talking about lies of omission. I'll try and remember and/or dig up some examples. Pick me! The Penguin in Batman! (Or even better, Molefan since he thought he was 100% pro town at the time) Polar bears and trouts... that was a fantastic game.
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Sept 2, 2009 23:40:02 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 2, 2009 23:40:02 GMT -5
I voted you because you post things that have nothing to do with the game. It's distracting. It's anti-Town. It's not needed. Why not save that for Night? Players are prohibited from communicating outside the game threads unless their role explicitly permits it. Do not edit your posts. There shall be no game discussion at Night, except that players may report results of their powers at any time. There will be no other post restrictions. I asked Pleon about talking at night he told me in pm that it was not allowed in this game, and refered me to the above. I would believe that more seasoned Mafia players would call this a slip. Vote Special Ed
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:42:06 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 2, 2009 23:42:06 GMT -5
Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? People tell me I am a Peeker / Roosh / Seeker. I don't think there is anything I can do, or say, that will remove that distinction. I frankly wouldn't want to remove it. For ease of conversation, I can refer to myself in the third, to get at my entire syle of play. Honestly, frankly, I would bet that more Peeker and Meeko players would help Mafia, not take away from it. We think of things differently, and come up with things that most people never think to think. That, or we all have A.D.D.
If you want to call Thinking a "mysterious skill", go right ahead.
Furthermore, I know that my play is improving, and you even stated that I am making sense to you today. I take that as a victory. Small, but there.
Given my post numbers, I make everyone look like a lurker. Then again, Given RoOsh's numbers, he probably makes everyone else look like a lurker. My use of third person is more my style than just "me".
Do I need to water it down further?
Not so much Peeker/Roosh/Seeker as Peeker+Roosh+Seeker....
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:43:04 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 2, 2009 23:43:04 GMT -5
I voted you because you post things that have nothing to do with the game. It's distracting. It's anti-Town. It's not needed. Why not save that for Night? Players are prohibited from communicating outside the game threads unless their role explicitly permits it. Do not edit your posts. There shall be no game discussion at Night, except that players may report results of their powers at any time. There will be no other post restrictions. I asked Pleon about talking at night he told me in pm that it was not allowed in this game, and refered me to the above. I would believe that more seasoned Mafia players would call this a slip. Vote Special Edyou idiot. That's why I said save the Avatar talk for the Night. The Night threads are fluff. Avatar talk is fluff. It' not game related. See the underlined part? It says no game discussion at Night. It doesn't say "no discussion" at Night. Therefore, Night would be the perfect time for discussing avatars. So, no, a more seasoned mafia player would call you an idiot.
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:45:43 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 2, 2009 23:45:43 GMT -5
Let me just get this out of the way Vote: Meeko [/color] It was going to happen sooner or later [/quote] I hate to go along with this, but, in the end, I tend to agree. Meeko, I'm sorry, but your playstyle just seems to be anti-Town to me. You make yourself a distraction. I hope you can claim something that's verifiable, but for right now, I'm going along with Ed. On Day One, the best bet is (for lack of a safer option) to lynch an uphelpful player and hope for the best. Vote: Meeko [/b][/color]
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:46:42 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 2, 2009 23:46:42 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;">Put me on the list of supporters of Lynch ALL Liars. Remember, in this game there's a faction that just has to kill all the Witches and then can play as perfect Townies to steal the win away from us. If a Witch claims, they're in danger from a possible one-off kill from the Cabal, or from being hunted by the Wolves (it seems to me that the Undead have much less reason to go after Witches, from my past experience as both a Witch and as a Vamp). Similarly, I can see almost any role with the exception of the Coroner (who's been a huge help to Town in both of the past games, being the unquestioned MVP of the first game), Scotsmn and Masons having a reason to disguise themselves. Any of the other pro-Town roles revealing themselves all of a sudden have a big target on themselves from one faction or another. While I might have been previsouly in favor of a mass roleclaim, I think that the Town has enough of a tenuous hold on this game (Pleo balances this to give a roughly equal shot to each of the four factions), that a mass roleclaim might actually end up with Town putting too much pressure on other Town to be of greater value than the dangers it introduces. True... I guess my standard stance on LAL won't really work out in this game. I hadn't considered the setup when I posted. Was just following my usual Day 1 stances on topics... I don't think a mass claim would play out well for town in this setup. So if we are recording stances so we can pull a gotcha later on, then I am against mass claim.
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Sept 2, 2009 23:49:52 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 2, 2009 23:49:52 GMT -5
Wasn't Molefan's lie my idea? (We were masons together...sort of)
*hides behind NAF from Special Ed's dislike of nostalgia*
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Day One
Sept 2, 2009 23:57:35 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 2, 2009 23:57:35 GMT -5
Not so much Peeker/Roosh/Seeker as Peeker+Roosh+Seeker.... Something about players with double vowels, maybe? I also wish to say (pretty sure I'm repeating myself) that everything I said in that first post may not even apply to this game because of the set-up, the variety of wincons, and other pertinent facts. And I don't think I'd actually seen a detailed discussion about LAL before, so in the face of greater information, I'm coming off my hardline stance on the point. For now. So make it "generally for lynching liars."
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Sept 2, 2009 23:58:47 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 2, 2009 23:58:47 GMT -5
I'm not talking about lies of omission. I'll try and remember and/or dig up some examples. Pick me! The Penguin in Batman! (Or even better, Molefan since he thought he was 100% pro town at the time) But, see, there's a difference between thinking something and finding out you were wrong and an intentional lie, too (WRT Molefan; I don't know about your role). Careful about blinding people with your awesome there, sport.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:00:15 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 3, 2009 0:00:15 GMT -5
These votes make no sense to me. This is my first game with Meeko (I think), but at least he's here, which is way way WAY more desirable than not participating at all, no matter what his alignment is. Nothing he has said so far seems anti-town to me. Fluffy with a crunchy recruitment conjecture center covered in weird, but otherwise unremarkable. Y'all wouldn't be dragging little duffle bags full or grudges along with you, would you?
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Sept 3, 2009 0:03:14 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 3, 2009 0:03:14 GMT -5
Pick me! The Penguin in Batman! (Or even better, Molefan since he thought he was 100% pro town at the time) But, see, there's a difference between thinking something and finding out you were wrong and an intentional lie, too (WRT Molefan; I don't know about your role). Careful about blinding people with your awesome there, sport. You should go read the game. The motivation of the lie was pro-town. And we completely tricked the scum with it. The masons didn't find out they could have won under a completely different win condition until later, but the motivation behind the lie and the effect are completely applicable to this discussion.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:06:30 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 0:06:30 GMT -5
These votes make no sense to me. This is my first game with Meeko (I think), but at least he's here, which is way way WAY more desirable than not participating at all, no matter what his alignment is. Nothing he has said so far seems anti-town to me. Fluffy with a crunchy recruitment conjecture center covered in weird, but otherwise unremarkable. Y'all wouldn't be dragging little duffle bags full or grudges along with you, would you? If you think that Meeko being here is way more desirable than not participating.... then you haven't played with him before.. I joke. Seriously though, you would have to have played with him before to understand where they are coming from. I personally am willing to give the guy a chance and deal with his playstyle for now. I would feel bad if he was always lynched Day 1. He would never really get a chance to prove he is more than just a distraction.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:09:41 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 3, 2009 0:09:41 GMT -5
Y'all wouldn't be dragging little duffle bags full or grudges along with you, would you? MHaye, is that you? It's not a grudge thing, it's just a combination of being in another game with the guy, and seeing the same sort of behvior here from him. Meeko needs to learn to calm down, and keep his posts focused on the game. For all RoOsh's verbal diarrhea (I still love you, Rooshie-baby!), he kept on track. Meeko doesn't. Until I see focus from the guy, I'm going to think he's a good Day One lynch. Day Two and onwards, I hope to have a little more information. But for right now, it's just a gut instinct kinda thing.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:09:46 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 3, 2009 0:09:46 GMT -5
NETA for #52 - Minus one or two completelies.
NETA for #51 - And I don't want to necessarily go asmearin' but there are reasons other than grudges to go voting for people for reasons that seem to have little or nothing to do with the game at hand.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:14:48 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 3, 2009 0:14:48 GMT -5
NETA for #51 - And I don't want to necessarily go asmearin' but there are reasons other than grudges to go voting for people for reasons that seem to have little or nothing to do with the game at hand. No, I totally get that. And Meeko is a soft target for scum looking for an easy out on a vote accounantability. But... it's Day One. Where do we get vote accountability other than a Lynch the Lurker vote, or an obvious scumtell?
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Sept 3, 2009 0:21:13 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 0:21:13 GMT -5
Can someone, anyone, please tell me how simply providing information about my avatar is a distraction?
The way I see it, if I tell you guys what it is, in a post where I address other things, it saves time, and works out to be less distracting.
But, no, apparently, actually saving time, and being less distracting, is a distraction.
Worse, it leads to unjustifiable votes.
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Sept 3, 2009 0:26:47 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 0:26:47 GMT -5
Y'all wouldn't be dragging little duffle bags full or grudges along with you, would you? You would have to ask Ed. From where I am, it looks like he is out for blood. Apparently, Ed is allergic to learning new things. [Like Geocaching] Ed, are you really that sore at me, from older games? Boozy? You are voting me and then stating that you wish you hadn't?
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Sept 3, 2009 0:50:16 GMT -5
Post by Boozahol Squid, P.I. on Sept 3, 2009 0:50:16 GMT -5
Boozy? You are voting me and then stating that you wish you hadn't? Yep. I like you, altogether. And I don't want to dissuade you from playing with us. But... How do I put this? You're a distraction. And you'll get better, over time. Hell, I've seen a lot of improvement in the SDMB game in you. But if you're Town, you call a lot of attention to yourself without a lot of progress towards scumfinding. And if you're scum, you've got that air of "I'm Meeko, this is what I do" which puts a protective blanket over you. It's not pro-Town behavior, either way.
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