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Sept 3, 2009 15:54:03 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 15:54:03 GMT -5
Starting a new direction. I can not comment on Batman, or on C2. I can comment on Crimson Glyph, and LOST. IIRC, mass claims came up in those games as well. I even added to speculation, on if the Scarlet Letter characters would stick to Cannon, esecially in relation to allignment and power. We still were duped by a scum claiming to be a vanilla town, with a very, very well written claim for a named character in the book. LOST had me confirmed due in part to an oversight by the mod. I claimed to be, and indeed was Sawyer. The timing of my claim, in relation to other events confirmed me. I was the only one to be able to be confirmed in this way in LOST. Clean Vanilla aliases were then given to scum, and the entire idea was nerfed. In games with an established Cannon, I can see the argument for a mass claim. We have permanent, established, outside of the game, references for how I player will be alligned. But, as my examples show, it's not Iron Clad, even then. Mass claims should have won the game for town in Crimson Glyph and in LOST. IIRC, it didn't. [Other, worse Assumptions did us in even more.] Mass Claims do not appear to be the silver bullet to me, that some say that it is. This game has no Cannon, that I am aware of. This game could have recruitment, that I am aware of. Both of these are a hindrance to claims. I do not see how claiming this soon helps anything. Again, once the math changes, and we can confirm and rule out other variables [Recruitment, what flavor other powers are] then we could BEGIN to address claiming then. You are wrong. Cannon games do not always align characters and alignment according to the Cannon. In fact, if that was a hard and fast rule, there would be no reason for us to play. Check out SSBM on this board. I am sure that there were some characters normally considered good that turned out to be scum. I think when I made Princess Bride Mafia I included a few normally bad characters that were town. The point is that by mixing it up the players won't be able to say"Oh you're Evil bad dude #5? Then obviously you are scum." You can't over simplify cannon games like this... trust me, you'll end up playing in one and trying to do so.... and it WILL bite you in the ass.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 15:59:24 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 3, 2009 15:59:24 GMT -5
i agree ed is or has been more distracting than the distraction he was addressing. lynching liars is a faily safe default position. lynching lurkers is a tired meme of mine. voting early is always advocated as being better than voting late and to a great extent supported. seldom followed, but generally supported. fcod aren't we being a tad dramatic. pretty much the whole Day is being taken up by meeko and ed. cripes when you posted that we weren't even a full day into what is scheduled to be a little longer than normal first Day. i guess it could be an interesting exercise to posit about requesting roles and the ulimate assignation of said roles. not sure what it tells us but i guess it would beat talking about avatars. i thought the cabal could only block? That's their power, but this game has always involved players having an extra treat in their bag when they open up their role pm. In the first Conspiracy, I was a Witch who could also do an extra protection. I forget what my extra role was in C2. My role in this game also has an extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours? that's about a seriously fucked up question, squiddy. and on preview i kind of hosed the quote within a quote. that was my observation to lead off.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:07:58 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 16:07:58 GMT -5
Having played in most of The Crimson Glyph... and witnessed the fall from grace of the 2 man masonry in that game (comprised of.... not surprise here.... Ed and Meeko).... I am not ready to vote for either based solely on a little tiff at the beginning of what it seems is going to be a VERY long Day 1. We are already on page 5.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:15:19 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 16:15:19 GMT -5
Here is the post where Ed votes for me. I removed the Quote tag, because it does not allow for me to bold my responses. Voting for me bleached by snipping.How do we define lurker, once we throw " Meeko " into the mix? Clarification : If one person posts 100 times in a day, the person who posts only 10 times a day, is no better off than a person who posts only once, against another person that posts only 10 times a day. [10% in both cases. I simply meant to imply that I tend to make everyone else appear to be lurkers.]Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? I answered this one already. I still don't believe that actual thinking is a mysterious skill. Instead of looking for some odd angle to the game so that it becomes simple for you, why not accept that it's a difficult game and you'll go through it not really figuring it all out? Not sure I understand. Is it your way Ed, to always give up? And, to answer the actual question we define lurker without ever needing the concept of "meeko" with or without the quotes. Yes, I knew this. Can no one work on implication and exageration anymore? Oh right, you need to actually think in order for Implication and Exageration to work. So, this sentence was to tell us that you are playing, and you have something to say...and then you don't say it? Yes. Believe it or not, I actually decided to hold off posting my stance on mass claims, because I was actually going to Quote Spongebob. [[In Hindsight, good call on my part.]]
yes, you missed Day 1, someone brought it up as a topic that is usually brought up on Day 1, like lurking, lying, and random votes It would seem to me, that all Mafia games have all of this, and that it gets the game nowhere fast. Why do we have to spin wheels on each game? Then again, you would think that for this being my 4th game, some of this stuff would stick with me by now. Then again, each game, I plan on playing better. We know how far that gets me.OK, here's a coherent thought, I must admit. It has assumptions that Pleo thought of all possibilities of mass claims, obviously this hasn't been the case in games you've played in, though the mod probably thought so (remember Lost) Also, you assume that a mas claim might be better later, we don't know that either, especially with the possibility of some recruitment. I think it might actually get worse, not better. Math remains math, regardless of what dress it wears. Once we have actual [by way of death] confirmations, a claim would work better, by the fact that we will have solid, non-cosmetic information. OK< so you see my thoughts, mass claiming WOULD have worked there. And then you go off on a tangent about that game centered around yourself, why am I not surprised. I still refuse to see how I can talk out of someone else's mouth. Then again, I thought about this paragraph last night. Ed, if I might ask, how many siblings do you have? I am an only child. If that points towards me being self centered in all things, then so be it. I see it as a reason, and not an excuse. I continue to make a statement on LOST Mafia. Ed continues to attack me on it. We don't need to rehash that, so I snipped it.I will conede the point that innocnetly answering a question, before it was asked [And I still think that someone was going to ask me what my avatar was, in this very thread, no less.] was probably not the best thing to do. Yes, there are better places for fluff. I just thought that where I did it, was not as bad as it was.
Does this still remain a reason for you, and everyone else that jumped on your bandwagon, to vote for me, Ed?
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Sept 3, 2009 16:19:17 GMT -5
Post by Nanook on Sept 3, 2009 16:19:17 GMT -5
It's too early to be voting for Meeko for his behavior. Is he going to be Anti-Town? Possibly, maybe even probably. But if you never give him a chance, how is he going to get better? And I know you're bitter about being forced to be a mason with him Ed, but that's no reason to hold a grudge. That's their power, but this game has always involved players having an extra treat in their bag when they open up their role pm. In the first Conspiracy, I was a Witch who could also do an extra protection. I forget what my extra role was in C2. My role in this game also has an extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours? I'm vaguely surprised no one else picked up on this, especially the people that played in the last Conspiracy. From the rules: Its only one secret power per faction, so it's more than likely by far that any given person will NOT have a bonus power. The quote from Boozy indicates that he specifically has the power, as opposed to his faction. Of the 4 factions, Town is extremely unlikely to have its bonus power concentrated in one person. The Undead and possibly the Wolves on the other hand, I can easily see having it with one person. This feels like a slip. More than feels actually, since this is EXACTLY the same slip I made in Conspiracy 2, when I was Cabal. Vote: Boozahol Squid
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:20:50 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 3, 2009 16:20:50 GMT -5
OK, so I created this debacle with my aggressive Day 1 play, much like I create the debacle that caused the word debacle to be in play.
In fact, if anyone can recall a game where I haven't taken on heat early, please, let me know. I think Crimson Glyph might be the only one recently. I guess I should be used to it.
What concerns me this time is the loose voting. Allowing as many votes as possible is going to make it way too easy to hide intentions in the vote counts. I think vote analysis is going to be an issue. I also still maintain that early momentum will be critical as unvoting won't be necessary.
I fear we may hand over the main Town power of lynching to non-Town roles. I also fear we may allow people to into non-participation.
In fact, aside from the Day 1 issues of liars and lurking, and the Meeko/Special debacle, what have we discussed? A little bit about role preferences?
I'm finding this especially frustrating, and not in the usual I'm leading the lynch vote way, but in a way where it seems even the lynch is stacked against Town.
I'm fully prepared to engage in other conversation. I accept all the votes on me for what has been correctly perceived as Anti-Town play. If anyone else wishes to vote for me for those same reasons, I won't argue that either. I just hope we can move on.
I concede all points against me. I created a distraction in attempting to avoid what I felt was going to be a distraction from recent history.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:22:45 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 3, 2009 16:22:45 GMT -5
I asked earlier. Does anyone have the breakdowns numbers wise for the previous games? Also, is access to the spoilers for those games still available?
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:35:17 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Sept 3, 2009 16:35:17 GMT -5
Also, is access to the spoilers for those games still available? I just put in direct links to all previous Conspiracy games and secret boards at the bottom of the Rules.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:35:40 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 16:35:40 GMT -5
It's too early to be voting for Meeko for his behavior. Is he going to be Anti-Town? Possibly, maybe even probably. But if you never give him a chance, how is he going to get better? And I know you're bitter about being forced to be a mason with him Ed, but that's no reason to hold a grudge. That's their power, but this game has always involved players having an extra treat in their bag when they open up their role pm. In the first Conspiracy, I was a Witch who could also do an extra protection. I forget what my extra role was in C2. My role in this game also has an extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours? I'm vaguely surprised no one else picked up on this, especially the people that played in the last Conspiracy. From the rules: Its only one secret power per faction, so it's more than likely by far that any given person will NOT have a bonus power. The quote from Boozy indicates that he specifically has the power, as opposed to his faction. Of the 4 factions, Town is extremely unlikely to have its bonus power concentrated in one person. The Undead and possibly the Wolves on the other hand, I can easily see having it with one person. This feels like a slip. More than feels actually, since this is EXACTLY the same slip I made in Conspiracy 2, when I was Cabal. Oooohhhh interesting! I'd call that a slip. Enough for a vote, seeing as how our votes are worth less than rainbows and unicorn farts Vote: Boozahol Squid [/color]
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:40:28 GMT -5
Post by bufftabby on Sept 3, 2009 16:40:28 GMT -5
OK, so I created this debacle with my aggressive Day 1 play, much like I create the debacle that caused the word debacle to be in play. In fact, if anyone can recall a game where I haven't taken on heat early, please, let me know. I think Crimson Glyph might be the only one recently. I guess I should be used to it. Perhaps that should tell you something about your playstyle.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:40:34 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 3, 2009 16:40:34 GMT -5
otie dotie.
i posted along these lines, nanook and i kind of thought i was jumping at shadows. but you saw it as well. coupled with the one off cabal kill observation, yikes.
vote squid
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:44:01 GMT -5
Post by NAF1138 on Sept 3, 2009 16:44:01 GMT -5
Cripes, catching up now. I have been playing the SDMB game.
Looks like Squid fucked up. Vote: Squid
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:48:34 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 16:48:34 GMT -5
Okay... to start... your coding is messy... I almost got lost in there. Why do you always refer to yourself in the third person as some sort of "different" player with some mysterious skills? I answered this one already. I still don't believe that actual thinking is a mysterious skill. He's not saying you possess any mysterious skills, just that you act like you do. The way you post in the third person gives off this vibe that you are so special that even you cannot adress yourself as anything other than Meeko. It gets old. So, this sentence was to tell us that you are playing, and you have something to say...and then you don't say it? Yes. Believe it or not, I actually decided to hold off posting my stance on mass claims, because I was actually going to Quote Spongebob. [[In Hindsight, good call on my part.]]
The point is, if you changed your mind you didn't have to post at all. yes, you missed Day 1, someone brought it up as a topic that is usually brought up on Day 1, like lurking, lying, and random votes It would seem to me, that all Mafia games have all of this, and that it gets the game nowhere fast. Why do we have to spin wheels on each game? Then again, you would think that for this being my 4th game, some of this stuff would stick with me by now. Then again, each game, I plan on playing better. We know how far that gets me.It's not spinning our wheels. It's a starting point and it establishes the ground work on which we will hopefully find scum. Often times scum will take a position on a topic early in Day 1, and then are forced to betray that position later in the game in order to avoid detection. Having everyone state their position on Day 1 is a great tool for mafia. Besides that, there isn't much else to talk about game-related. I didn't include the last line of your post... but seriously, quit playing the victim. Yeah you got a couple of votes... but in turn Ed got just as many... nay... more votes for the whole situation. Quit crying and take a stance on the topics. Do something that shows you are playing in a protown fashion... taking a stance shows good faith to all of us. choosing not to take a stance because you dont want to quote spongebob... well.. that doesn't.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:50:31 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 16:50:31 GMT -5
OK, so I created this debacle with my aggressive Day 1 play, much like I create the debacle that caused the word debacle to be in play. In fact, if anyone can recall a game where I haven't taken on heat early, please, let me know. I think Crimson Glyph might be the only one recently. I guess I should be used to it. Perhaps that should tell you something about your playstyle. I actually like that Ed takes heat in early game. It gives us more to go off of when he or the person he is antagonizing show up dead.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 16:54:43 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Sept 3, 2009 16:54:43 GMT -5
and a totally personal observation.
if squiddy's question to me was:
rhetorical; fcs don't answer.
fishing; fcs don't answer.
a slip; fcs don't answer.
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Sept 3, 2009 17:03:42 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 17:03:42 GMT -5
I am done with Ed.
Looking elsewhere, I remember that I made a statement during night zero that I want to revisit, now that I can vote.
From Night Zero, Post 85, Storyteller gives us ::
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Hey, y'all - checking in and psyched. These games are always epic. Anyone interested in general strategy discussion? Specifically, we have been given the chance to request roles, and it has been indicated that our preferences will be taken into account when assigning roles. Is there a way to use this information to our benefit?
I'm not sure of the answer yet, but it's Night Zero and there are no post restrictions, so what the hell, right?
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This still comes off a bit off to me. I comment down thread in 88 ::
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Storyteller, I would agree with the direction your ideas go to, BUT, it makes an assumption. We were told that our preferences would be considered (taken into account). It did not state that we wouldget them. I think we still need to guard from assumptions.
Therefore, any progress we make on X is scum, or Y is town, because of 1 2 or 3 is immediately checked by the fact that it could basically fall back to being random.
Indeed, we have people on record as stating that they asked for whatever was left.
Then again, Watch those people be the people to cause the most trouble for town.
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This strikes me as fishing. I think that it was planned to be an innocent question, but I think the line of comments it planned to start would arrive at information at the end of the day. It might not be direct fishing, but it is fishing enough in my book, and I just can't shake the feeling I have on this one.
Why would town ask this? I don't think that they would.
If town wouldn't ask this, who would? The list at once appears long, but, at the end of the day, I think there is one alignment that comes out ahead in the race.
The Cabal.
If the only thing Cabal can do is to block, then they would want to make sure they know who to block, right?
Vote Storyteller.
I think you are Cabal, and I think you are fishing.
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Sept 3, 2009 17:14:53 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 17:14:53 GMT -5
Nanook and Peeker are making sense here.
Why would someone paint a target on their back by saying "Look at me, I has teh powerz" ?
I don't know.
Voote Boozy
Let's find out together.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 17:28:59 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 3, 2009 17:28:59 GMT -5
OK, so I created this debacle with my aggressive Day 1 play, much like I create the debacle that caused the word debacle to be in play. In fact, if anyone can recall a game where I haven't taken on heat early, please, let me know. I think Crimson Glyph might be the only one recently. I guess I should be used to it. Perhaps that should tell you something about your playstyle. Yeah. It does. I suppose I can change my approach, but I imagine if I came in and talked solely about lynch the lurker and random votes....I'd have garnered even more suspicion for 'playing differently'
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 17:36:36 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2009 17:36:36 GMT -5
This feels like a slip. More than feels actually, since this is EXACTLY the same slip I made in Conspiracy 2, when I was Cabal. and a totally personal observation. if squiddy's question to me was: rhetorical; fcs don't answer. fishing; fcs don't answer. a slip; fcs don't answer. Okay. My initial thought on reading boozy's question was much along the lines of what peeker says, although it was more like FCS, why would you admit/ask that? In combination with nanook's comment, however, I think that I definitely need to: vote boozahol squid, p.i.Both because of the fishing and because this sort of identical slip-up is exactly the way I was "caught" as scum in the Dr. Horrible game. (Except for the part where it totally wasn't a Scum slip on my part, but whatever ).I also fear we may allow people to into non-participation. Ed, I think you're missing a word there, and because of it I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 17:40:07 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 3, 2009 17:40:07 GMT -5
I also fear we may allow people to into non-participation. Ed, I think you're missing a word there, and because of it I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You are correct. I think I was afraid that we would allow people to slip unnoticed into non-participation. Like I said, some people will continue scum hunting, but recently, I've seen complacency in the games where people just 'go with the flow' once a flow starts. Anyway, I'm not helping contribute to the scum hunting myself.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 17:41:30 GMT -5
Post by special on Sept 3, 2009 17:41:30 GMT -5
I may as well add my
Vote: boozahol
At least until he comes back and explains himself.
OK, I'm off to do a skim of the previous games.
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Sept 3, 2009 17:50:36 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 17:50:36 GMT -5
Yeah. It does. I suppose I can change my approach, but I imagine if I came in and talked solely about lynch the lurker and random votes....I'd have garnered even more suspicion for 'playing differently' And this is exactly my struggle, with different words. Apparently, I was wrong with I thought Pleon had told me. Based on his clarifcation, I don't see how I can hold a vote on Ed.
Unvote Special Ed
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 18:34:58 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 3, 2009 18:34:58 GMT -5
You are wrong. Cannon games do not always align characters and alignment according to the Cannon. I'm role-claiming William Conrad.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 19:08:47 GMT -5
Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 3, 2009 19:08:47 GMT -5
You are wrong. Cannon games do not always align characters and alignment according to the Cannon. I'm role-claiming William Conrad. I'm claiming Val Kilmer
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Sept 3, 2009 19:18:17 GMT -5
Post by Gir! on Sept 3, 2009 19:18:17 GMT -5
Having played in most of The Crimson Glyph... and witnessed the fall from grace of the 2 man masonry in that game (comprised of.... not surprise here.... Ed and Meeko).... I am not ready to vote for either based solely on a little tiff at the beginning of what it seems is going to be a VERY long Day 1. We are already on page 5. Underlining mine. I was thisclose to voting for Ed before reading the above as a possible catalyst for Ed's posting style this game. The reason I was considering voting for him was that, although I have seen him take heat early in a couple of games, I don't recall him going off half-cocked like that to draw it. Even when he's been frustrated, I don't recall seeing him get that confrontational; however, in this case, he may be letting that issue color his judgement. I'll revisit the issue sometime later. As for Boozy, I'll wait until tomorrow (Friday) to see if he's got an explanation. If he doesn't have one before I leave for Labor Day Fun, or if his explanation sucks, then I'm on him.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 19:22:21 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 3, 2009 19:22:21 GMT -5
Boozy's apparent slip...
When I first read it I parsed the "an" as a "no" even after a re-read and wrote it off as him being trying to be snarky with a triple-negative.
"My role in this game also has anno extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours?"
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 19:25:19 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 3, 2009 19:25:19 GMT -5
Note to self: control s is the macro for "post immediately" and not strikethru font.
Let me try again.
Boozy's apparent slip...
When I first read it I parsed the "an" as a "no" even after a re-read and wrote it off as him being trying to be snarky with a triple-negative.
"My role in this game also has anno extra power not included in the role description. Doesn't yours?"
(Not using quotebox since it isn't actually a quote)
Vote: Vote Boozy . Let's see what he has to say for himself.
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Sept 3, 2009 20:01:06 GMT -5
Post by Death By Irony on Sept 3, 2009 20:01:06 GMT -5
Nitpick: "Canon", singular n, when talking about stuff pertaining to official plot stuff. "Cannon", two n's, is what you shoot stuff out of (say, scummy scum ;D)
From where I'm sitting, Boozy's post does look like either a slip or a soft claim. But I'm gonna give him a chance to explain himself.
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Day One
Sept 3, 2009 20:02:14 GMT -5
Post by julie on Sept 3, 2009 20:02:14 GMT -5
Nitpick: "Canon", singular n, when talking about stuff pertaining to official plot stuff. "Cannon", two n's, is what you shoot stuff out of (say, scummy scum ;D) You're killing my William Conrad joke, such as it was.
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Sept 3, 2009 20:11:36 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Sept 3, 2009 20:11:36 GMT -5
Nitpick: "Canon", singular n, when talking about stuff pertaining to official plot stuff. "Cannon", two n's, is what you shoot stuff out of (say, scummy scum ;D) You're killing my William Conrad joke, such as it was. I bet he had a blast doing it too. Oh darn, there I go again, shooting my mouth off on OOG. Anyone have any duct tape?
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