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Post by Pleonast on Sept 18, 2009 14:07:35 GMT -5
Some Nights are quiet and restful. Others are filled with blood curdling screams and fitful dreams. The curdled blood and soiled linens found this Morning indicate it was the latter sort. Among the dead are CatInASuit, peekercpa, bufftabby and paulwhois.
Snippets of information about the previously deceased show that storyteller is Undead, and Special Ed and Meeko are Wolves.
So begins Day Three. It will end at the regularly scheduled time on Wednesday September 23.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 18, 2009 14:10:18 GMT -5
Two wolves, and an Undead, eh? Good stuff.
Most interesting is Meeko and Ed being aligned. The fight was indeed staged.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 18, 2009 14:16:40 GMT -5
Well, how about that. My gut about Ed 'n Meeko was right.
And there's a dead undead too. Not too shabby.
--FCOD
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Post by PrecambrianMollusc on Sept 18, 2009 14:17:09 GMT -5
A cabal day one An undead and two wolves on night one A lynch of a possible Undead yesterday And if parzival is telling the truth, bufftabby must have been a vamp if Special ed was a wolf. So that makes another undead down last night (I assume at the hands of a vigilante, may be other posibilities)..
Given there do not appear to be any zombies at the moment Ill go with a lucky vicar or dead necromancer.
Well who to lynch today.
Although I am off to the beach for a few days.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 18, 2009 14:21:21 GMT -5
I’m going to go ahead and Vote: Parzival right out the gate here. Why? Simple. He lied. He’s not the Magician, I am. I targeted Ed on Night One, but I was not targeted for a kill, and Ed still died, so someone else with a killing role went after him. Last Night I targeted Parzival for his lie about claiming Magician. Now that we know he lied, what can be gained from his former posts? Let’s have a look see, shall we?
He wanted us to leave Boozy alive for the Day and hope the Vig targeted him. My guess based on this is that Parzival is Cabal. Spare the player on their team with the POWER ROLE, so they can use it that Night so it’s not wasted. Also, since Boozy is Cabal they have the chance to potentially block the Vig if they guess right, or figure out who it is.
This strikes me as a damage control post. Once it was determined that Boozy was going to go, Parzival claims he never wanted to spare him, just let someone Night Kill him. While that is what he said in this post, his prior post clearly states that he didn’t want Boozy to be lynched. Then he goes on to say he won’t vote Boozy based on the bandwagon and how he thinks the Scum (Cabal) were on the wagon. He then votes for Boozy in his next post.
During Day Two he didn’t post much of interest. A few theories on who could have done the killing.
By itself this post isn’t much, but if you compare it to Day One when he said we should allow the Vig to off Boozy instead of lynching, why jump right on to lynching Blockey on Day Two? Could be that Boozy was Cabal, while Blockey was Undead?
So it’s my belief that Parzival is Cabal, so I urge everyone to lynch him today. But please, discuss other matters as well.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 18, 2009 14:23:52 GMT -5
A'ight. I have nothing to add to the subject at the moment but I will get a vote down. "Vote early vote often!" Vote: Parzival --FCOD
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 18, 2009 14:27:07 GMT -5
Whoa. Four deaths? And not a single confirmed town death!
The good news is that Storyteller was almost certainly a Necro, meaning we don't have* to worry about zombies*, and Blockey was a vampire. OTOH, that means that there were potentially five sources of death at the beginning of the game! Hopefully, one or two of those kills last night were one-shots.
Now that Special is confirmed Wolf, I'm more inclined to trust Parzy (although he could be a vampire).
I investigated a Townie last night. Not going to reveal who it was unless I get a good reason to.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 18, 2009 14:45:51 GMT -5
How do we know that hockeyguy is telling the truth? Couldn't he be a wolf or vampire trying to get us to lynch town? After all, Magician is about the safest claim for a wolf, since they are more difficult to confirm than the other town roles. Also, how could Parzival have survived Ed's attack unless he was a Magician or a Vamprie? Unless...Ed never attacked Parzival in the first place? But then why would he claim at all? And...ayiyi, this makes no sense.
Back up.
We can be reasonably sure that Ed attacked Parzival Night 1. That would a risky thing to claim unless Parzival knew Ed was a wolf. Unless...unless Parzival was just trying to set up an airtight Magician claim by using a dead fellow wolf! Plus, the wolves have no beef with the cabal, but want the Undead dead!
Hmm...
Also, it is possible that there are simply multiple Magicians.
Honestly, I'm not so sure I should trust hockeyguy. The accusation of Cabalism makes no sense, since the Cabal would have had to have a secret investigation power or kill-surviving power for it to work. And while that's possible, it strikes me as unlikely that: a) They would just happen to use it Night 1 b) They happened to protect the guy who was attacked, or they happened to investigate the dying wolf. It's possible, but unlikely.
On the other hand, why would hockeyguy counterclaim unless he was town? If Parzival is the magician and we lynch him Today, then hockeyguy is going down Day 5. That would be foolhardy.
Unless...unless hockeyguy investigated Parzival and found out he was lying. Which would imply a secret investigation power. Which is unlikely.
Possibilities, in order of likelihood:
a) Hockeguy is a Magician, Parzival is a wolf trying to obtain a believable claim b) Hockeyguy is a (seer/witch), trying to hide his true nature, Parzival is a wolf trying to obtain a believable claim. c) Hockeyguy is a Magician, Parzival is a Magician. d) Hockeyguy is a Wolf, Parzival is a Magician. e) Hockeyguy is a Magician, Parzival is a cabalist. f) Hockeyguy is a (seer/witch/non-town with secret investigating power), Parzival is a cabalist
Hmm...
Vote: Parzival
Although I want to hear what he has to say
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 18, 2009 14:55:30 GMT -5
Damn this game is bloody. I hope the majority of them keep flipping as scum. I'm also wondering what Ed and Meeko were apparently smoking.
Vote: Parzival I think it was way too late for an honest claim to have been made yesterday under the circumstances he is trying to pass as what happened, so I'm inclined to believe hockeyguy at this point.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 18, 2009 14:56:17 GMT -5
All right. Having read everyone else's thinking, I, too, am going to Vote: Parzival.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 18, 2009 14:57:02 GMT -5
Sigh
vote: Parzival
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Post by Parzival on Sept 18, 2009 15:08:15 GMT -5
Hockeyguy, I hope you're aware that there may be multiple roles in the game.
Your accusation of me being Cabal is nonsensical, really. How could I, as Cabal, get anything out of being attacked by a Vig? They have to know the person to block, not block incoming attacks. But the a Magician does want people to attack them.
At this point I'm either who I say I am, or a Wolf. How else would I have known that Special Ed was a killer?
The open question is whether hockeyguy is really a Magician or not. I kind of doubt that the Wolves would trade one of them for an unconfirmed vanilla, and I don't know which faction would do that either. An outed Magician isn't of much use, unfortunately, except that they'll stay alive.
That's quite the pile of bodies there, too. Ed being a Wolf implies strongly that bufftabby was a Vampire (since the Witches would otherwise mourn her, no?) or there was a special power in play.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 18, 2009 15:12:00 GMT -5
Hm I didn't even consider that there could be more than one magician. I have to think about this.
--FCOD
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Post by NAF1138 on Sept 18, 2009 15:13:16 GMT -5
Wait wait wait. We are jumping on Parzival just because HockeyGuy counterclaimed? His argument that Parzivl is Cabal doesn't even make sense. Didn't Parzival claim to redirect Ed, how would he have known that Ed had a killing power if he was cabal? I know I haven't been giving this game my full attention before toDay but I am not following that train even a little bit. It would make more sense that Parzival was a wolf, but in this case it makes just as much sense that HockeyGuy is a wolf throwing a hail mary pass.
Of course there is the possibility that they are both magicians I suppose. Do we know for sure that there is only one magician in the game?
In the mean time.
Vote: Parzival Vote: HockeyGuy
I will take my vote off of one of them when I figure out a good reason to believe that they aren't both scum.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 18, 2009 15:32:33 GMT -5
Hockeyguy, I hope you're aware that there may be multiple roles in the game. Your accusation of me being Cabal is nonsensical, really. How could I, as Cabal, get anything out of being attacked by a Vig? They have to know the person to block, not block incoming attacks. But the a Magician does want people to attack them. At this point I'm either who I say I am, or a Wolf. How else would I have known that Special Ed was a killer? I'm aware there could be multiple roles in the game, but I think it unlikely there are two Magicians. Also, where did I say you gained anything for being ATTACKED by the Vig. I said that IF you were Cabal your side would gain by wanting the Vig to try and kill Boozy over him being lynched. Especially if he had a secret power. And yes, you'd have to know who the Vig is to block them, but there's still always the chance that you could have gotten lucky with the block, if we didn't lynch Boozy. And yeah, I'm aware you could very well be a Wolf. Unless the secret Cabal power was some sort of investigation, and it wasn't specified to a specific player. That's quite the pile of bodies there, too. Ed being a Wolf implies strongly that bufftabby was a Vampire (since the Witches would otherwise mourn her, no?) or there was a special power in play. [/quote] The ONLY way Ed being a Wolf would imply that Buff was a Vampire is if you told the truth, which I don't believe you did.
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Post by Paulwhoisaghost on Sept 18, 2009 15:38:56 GMT -5
Ahhh poop.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 18, 2009 15:39:43 GMT -5
Holy bodycount batman!
Vote: Parzival didn't like his speculation yesterday, and maybe HG's counterclaim holds water.
Vote: HockeyGuy as I'm not convinced by his claim. I'll reread in the morning.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 18, 2009 15:56:36 GMT -5
At this point I'm either who I say I am, or a Wolf. How else would I have known that Special Ed was a killer? You could be a Vamp that Ed tried to kill. It would have exposed his attempt to kill you to you, and it would have killed him.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 18, 2009 16:03:26 GMT -5
That's quite the pile of bodies there, too. Ed being a Wolf implies strongly that bufftabby was a Vampire (since the Witches would otherwise mourn her, no?) or there was a special power in play. First speaking of bufftabby, question from Yesterday: why did you choose to redirect to her Night One? special ed turning up Wolf makes it possible that your are one as well (since it gives a way for you to know he attacked). Or as Cookies mentions that you are a vampire who counter-killed him. I would expect the Witches to mourn quietly, not publicly like you seem to suggest? I think it's standard play for the last two masons to claim and confirm each other, but I'm not sure it holds for two remaining Witches. They still get mostly confirmed by pointing out a dead Witch before the role reveal. The numbers: there are about 15 possible town roles to give away (counting 3 free mason and 3 Witches), while the game contains about that number of town (12-14 or so). So if all possible roles are in, there isn't much room for duplicates. On the other hand Magician is the one of the weaker roles (could get a town power role killed instead of yourself), so if there are duplicates Magicians they wouldn't tilt the balance as much as two Seers for example.
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Post by peekercpa on Sept 18, 2009 16:09:28 GMT -5
crapdoodle.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 18, 2009 17:36:11 GMT -5
At this point I'm either who I say I am, or a Wolf. How else would I have known that Special Ed was a killer? Or you're a vampire who got attacked by Ed. This, though, I consider unlikely. Why would a vampire attempt such a risky claim, especially since we just lynched Blockey? Given, also, the timing of your claim, I'm inclined to think you're a wolf. There was no particular reason for you to claim when you did, unless you didn't want it to be discussed until the next day, which is also when Ed was revealed to be a wolf, thus bolstering your credibility. Hockeyguy is really confusing me. Why is he so insistent that Parzival must be cabal? Why does he brush off the possibility that Parzival is a wolf? It's possible that both Hockeyguy and Parzival are wolves, and they are engaged in an elaborate cross-check confirmation gambit. But considering Ed and Meeko's antics yesterday, I really don't consider that likely. Why would the wolves go to such extremes? Especially since there's definitely a town investigator out there, who could easily destroy the gambit's usefulness. On the other hand, it's possible that Hockeyguy is bluffing, and that he is just guessing that Parzival is lying. This would explain the weird cabal case more reasonably--by heaping extra suspicion on Parzival, Hockeyguy is trying to ensure that he is not the false Magician that is lynched. This would make sense if Hockeyguy is a cabalist himself, looking to seize town cred from a rival anti-town group. On the other, other hand, the only evidence we have that hockeyguy isn't on the level is his weak cabal urgings, which could easily be genuinely weak.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 18, 2009 18:19:52 GMT -5
Yay for all the evil sides turning up dead.
Strictly my opinion/feeling: Yes, there could be two of the same roles in the game, but I'm thinking it's probably not likely. I'm leaning more towards "One of them is lying" rather than "they are both magicians". Having played in the first Conspiracy and read the second, I can bet you that IF they are both magicians, they are not EXACTLY alike....or rather, I seriously doubt it. I believe one is the magician and the other may be like a magician or have magician powers but is scum. Again, I cannot give more weight to the "multiple same power roles" in the game. Yes, it's probable, but I wouldn't say it was likely.*
*I could be wrong, of course.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Sept 18, 2009 18:23:36 GMT -5
I also notice someone is bumping off people who are, by and large, suspicious to a lot of others the Day before. This makes me guess there is probably a pro-Town killing role or two out there.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 18, 2009 20:05:31 GMT -5
Hm.
I'm not convinced.
If Parzival intended to soft-claim Magician from the get-go, why didn't he just say "Special Ed attacked me"? (Yes, yes, then we could have jumped to conclusions and accused him of being a Vampire, but the wording was still odd.) Plus, as others have mentioned, the timing was odd.
Also, Hockeyguy, if you are indeed the Magician, why didn't you counter-claim him right away? You were online before Parzival full-claimed, why didn't you stick around? And according to your claim your Magician powers are still good to go, so you wouldn't have had to worry about being Night-killed.
I say hang 'em both and let God sort 'em out.
Vote: Parzival Vote: Hockeyguy
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 18, 2009 20:57:20 GMT -5
Off the top of my head (and checking the rules thread), I can't seem to find how ties are resolved. If the result is that both of them die, I would be very willing to tie Parzival and Hockeyguy
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 18, 2009 21:32:49 GMT -5
Hockeyguy is really confusing me. Why is he so insistent that Parzival must be cabal? Why does he brush off the possibility that Parzival is a wolf? It's possible that both Hockeyguy and Parzival are wolves, and they are engaged in an elaborate cross-check confirmation gambit. But considering Ed and Meeko's antics yesterday, I really don't consider that likely. Why would the wolves go to such extremes? Especially since there's definitely a town investigator out there, who could easily destroy the gambit's usefulness. On the other hand, it's possible that Hockeyguy is bluffing, and that he is just guessing that Parzival is lying. This would explain the weird cabal case more reasonably--by heaping extra suspicion on Parzival, Hockeyguy is trying to ensure that he is not the false Magician that is lynched. This would make sense if Hockeyguy is a cabalist himself, looking to seize town cred from a rival anti-town group. On the other, other hand, the only evidence we have that hockeyguy isn't on the level is his weak cabal urgings, which could easily be genuinely weak. I'm not insistent that he MUST be a Cabal, but looking at his prior post and how he was for postponing Boozy's lynch on Day One to have the Vig do it for us, strikes me as odd. So I get the Cabal vibe. I'm well aware he could be a Wolf, and that he could be a Vamp and redirected Ed's kill back on himself. My gut just says Cabal. Yes, this could be seen as a weak case, but it's what I believe to be going on.
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Post by julie on Sept 18, 2009 21:33:06 GMT -5
Ties end in a no lynch.
Mr. Blockey claimed a secret power. Is there any chance he was able to pick off either someone who voted for him or someone he voted for? He voted for CiaS and peeker. He was voted for by peeker, paul, and Mary... um, bufftabby.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 18, 2009 21:35:09 GMT -5
Ties end in a no lynch. Mr. Blockey claimed a secret power. Is there any chance he was able to pick off either someone who voted for him or someone he voted for? He voted for CiaS and peeker. He was voted for by peeker, paul, and Mary... um, bufftabby. I would guess so, since the alternative would mean that there were 5 separate killing roles at the beginning of the game.
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 18, 2009 21:37:36 GMT -5
Hm. I'm not convinced. If Parzival intended to soft-claim Magician from the get-go, why didn't he just say "Special Ed attacked me"? (Yes, yes, then we could have jumped to conclusions and accused him of being a Vampire, but the wording was still odd.) Plus, as others have mentioned, the timing was odd. Also, Hockeyguy, if you are indeed the Magician, why didn't you counter-claim him right away? You were online before Parzival full-claimed, why didn't you stick around? And according to your claim your Magician powers are still good to go, so you wouldn't have had to worry about being Night-killed. I say hang 'em both and let God sort 'em out. Vote: Parzival [/color] Vote: Hockeyguy [/color][/quote] A few reasons I didn't counter-claim. 1) I wanted to wait until he claimed fully as to not have him go back on it and claim something I couldn't counter. 2) We had a lynch on Blockey, an admitted Undead, so there was no need to turn the tide on Parazival then. 3) I had hoped the killing powers would attack me last Night so I could redirect them. Had I claimed, I'd have been avoided last Night. Sadly they still left me alone, but I had hoped I might get a look last Night.
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Post by julie on Sept 18, 2009 21:43:09 GMT -5
Okay, so why claim now?
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