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Post by Pleonast on Sept 25, 2009 14:07:02 GMT -5
Death still stalks the Night and the hunting remains good. Idle Thoughts and julie are dead.
Details of the dearly departed are determined: CatInASuit and peekercpa are Town. bufftabby and paulwhois are Wolves. storyteller is a Necromancer. Special Ed is the Alpha Wolf and Meeko is the Omega Wolf.
The moderator gods shed a tear for the hapless Wolves.
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 25, 2009 14:12:11 GMT -5
Wow. The wolves are getting totally destroyed this game. I forget what happened with the rest of them so I won't comment any more until I re-read.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2009 14:19:48 GMT -5
Huh. So unless the Witches were protecting bufftaby the wolf, or the wolves had a secret power that protected her or deflected the alleged redirected Magician kill, or someone else's secret power protected/deflected on her behalf...it is looking like we made the right choice in lynching Parzival last night as all of those explanations for what Parzival alleged happened on Night 1 seem unlikely to me.
With only 2 out of 7 flipped dead being Town, we still seem to be in pretty good shape. Even if Idle and julie both flip town, things should still be managable imho.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 25, 2009 14:24:06 GMT -5
Well, it seems like, other than us, the Cabal are doing the best overall. We should probably start worrying about them 'round now.
And that's why I am going to claim. I am the Seer And I make an impassioned plea to the Cabal--please don't block me. You need to worry more about the vampire (hopefully just one) and the wolves that are out there. You need to worry about the vigilante I suspect we have, judging by the kills. I know I'm an easy target, since I'm out here like this, but I'm not a big threat to you.
Unfortunately, I didn't much useful info last Night. I investigated Idle, who was town.
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 25, 2009 14:30:44 GMT -5
Five Wolves dead total which possible leaves only one alive.
With no zombies for two Nights, I think Storyteller was the only Necromancer around.
And two kills is much better than four. It means there was still at least another killer besides the Wolves active last Night (Vigilante or Vampire). If a kill was blocked or stopped by a protect there could have be another killer as well.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2009 14:33:32 GMT -5
I'm counting 4 dead wolves....
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 25, 2009 14:35:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm only counting 4. Have something you want to tell us, Nat?
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Post by hockeyguy8435 on Sept 25, 2009 14:38:05 GMT -5
I was not targeted last night (as expect) but I felt the need to post as such for reference. Five Wolves dead total which possible leaves only one alive. With no zombies for two Nights, I think Storyteller was the only Necromancer around. And two kills is much better than four. It means there was still at least another killer besides the Wolves active last Night (Vigilante or Vampire). If a kill was blocked or stopped by a protect there could have be another killer as well. Five wolves? Ed, Meeko, Buffy, paul, and ?
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Post by The Real FCOD on Sept 25, 2009 14:46:00 GMT -5
I'd like to review if I'm remembering all of the role claims amongst the living.
hockeyguy = Magician pedescribe = Seer
Did I miss anyone?
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Post by Natlaw on Sept 25, 2009 14:47:27 GMT -5
I've got Parzival down in my notes as Wolf (since he knew who special ed targeted and I don't believe he was a Magician and I think a Vampire would not have claimed). So that's how I got up to five.
Rethinking it, bufftabby turning up Wolf makes it less likely since then his claim exposed but himself and her. That leaves him Vampire or really a Magician.
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Post by Nanook on Sept 25, 2009 16:08:15 GMT -5
From the rules for Vamps. I don't think that fits with what occurred. Why would a vamp Parz lie and name Bufftabby as a proxy like that? She had no way of knowing that Tabby was a wolf at that point. If she had said she redirected to Ed I could buy it, as a way of claiming the Ed kill without out and out claiming Vamp or Vig. Maybe a Cabal that got lucky on a block on Tabby(which is how I, as Cabal, outted Boozy the Vamp in 2)? But I don't know that the kills support that theory.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 25, 2009 16:11:49 GMT -5
pedescribe; you didn't get much information last Night, but what about Nights 1 and 2?
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 25, 2009 16:28:56 GMT -5
pedescribe; you didn't get much information last Night, but what about Nights 1 and 2? Night 1 I found Blockey. Night 2 I found out that someone is town. He or she is still alive, and I'm not revealing who it is until they need to be bailed out or I can entrap a false claimer.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 25, 2009 16:33:39 GMT -5
That's fine - I was just coming back in to say that I don't expect or want you to out anyone who shouldn't be outed.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 25, 2009 16:39:16 GMT -5
From the rules for Vamps. I don't think that fits with what occurred. Why would a vamp Parz lie and name Bufftabby as a proxy like that? She had no way of knowing that Tabby was a wolf at that point. If she had said she redirected to Ed I could buy it, as a way of claiming the Ed kill without out and out claiming Vamp or Vig. Maybe a Cabal that got lucky on a block on Tabby(which is how I, as Cabal, outted Boozy the Vamp in 2)? But I don't know that the kills support that theory. I posted the list of the possibilities I could think of as to how a wolvenly bufftaby could be selected as a Parzival Magician's proxy on Night 1 and yet not die. Aside from a secret wolf power that somehow protected her, none of those seem likely to me either.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 26, 2009 11:22:03 GMT -5
Twelve live players left. Of the dead, we have 4 confirmed wolves, 2 undead, 2 Town, and 1 cabal so far.
I think we need to start thinking about a mass claim. Unless the Witches have been very lucky, we're not playing with a full trio of them any more and we totally need to start lynching more Cabalists. I haven't crunched the numbers on how many mis-lynches we have to burn, but I think we can afford to be a little reckless toDay, at least.
I don't feel like coming up with any particular fancy claiming order, so I propose we just do it alphabetically.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 26, 2009 11:34:04 GMT -5
Twelve live players left. Of the dead, we have 4 confirmed wolves, 2 undead, 2 Town, and 1 cabal so far. I think we need to start thinking about a mass claim. Unless the Witches have been very lucky, we're not playing with a full trio of them any more and we totally need to start lynching more Cabalists. I haven't crunched the numbers on how many mis-lynches we have to burn, but I think we can afford to be a little reckless toDay, at least. I don't feel like coming up with any particular fancy claiming order, so I propose we just do it alphabetically. 13, actually. But I'm on-board for a mass claim. Since I'm basically confirmed town, I'll make an order. 1. Pre-Cambrian Mollusk 2. Natlaw 3. DBI 4. NAF 5. Sister Coyote 6. Nanook 7. Kat 8. FCoD 9. Cookies 10. MHaye 11. BillMC The people who have already claimed have been taken off of the list.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 26, 2009 13:12:24 GMT -5
How exactly is a mass claim going to benefit Town? I notice that the two of you have agreed we should do this without input from anyone else?
I agree that we need to hunt down the rest of the Cabalists, but the Cabalists, the remaining Wolves, and any other non-Town party are going to Lie, and the Witches will be exposed. This doesn't sound like the costs outweigh the benefits to me.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 26, 2009 13:22:37 GMT -5
Bill votes and disappears. He said he would reread, but has not posted since. Possibly systemic overload, since he's in the same set of games as I am, and he got sent on a business trip which may or may not have finished yet. All the same, I'd have liked feedback Fair call, last weeks travel got a little silly. Five Wolves dead total which possible leaves only one alive. So you are making the assumption that there are at least 6 wolves? I agree that we need to hunt down the rest of the Cabalists, but the Cabalists, the remaining Wolves, and any other non-Town party are going to Lie, and the Witches will be exposed. This doesn't sound like the costs outweigh the benefits to me. Indeed, SisterC also makes the assumption of at least 6 From ConspiracyII there were 31 players, and effectively 16 v 15 (town v non-town); 7 wolves, 5 cabal, 3 undead 1/6th fewer players in C3, so 6/4/2? 6 Wolves may be plausible, but only 2 undead would tough game for the them. So maybe only 5 wolves? I don't see how Parzival could be a magician, if he's a wolf, great, if he's a vampire, even better. I can't see him being Cabal. I agree with Pede that the Cabal are the biggest threat to Town So I guess worst case, there are 2 wolves, 3 cabal and 1 undead; and julie/parzival flip town. So for 13 alive its: 7 v 2/3/1, so we're doing ok So I had a re-read of Day 1 trying to find anyone that may have been defending Boozy, and one post in particular stuck out: unvote Edunvote MeekoBecause I don't have enough to make a solid case on either of them, and my earlier votes were weak. I'm more interested in those folks who are interested in keeping Boozy on the front burner right now. Re-reading it, and in retrospect that we know Boozy was Cabalist - the underlined comment just seems strange. I'd be more interested in those trying to save him, not lynch him. Vote: SisterC
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 26, 2009 16:11:45 GMT -5
Yes, exposing the Witches are a risk, but at this point, it's one I'm willing to take. (It helps that the Night kills have dropped drastically.) The Cabalists can't block the Witches, so they can keep doing whatever it is they're doing.
Of course the Anti-Town factions are going to lie. The point of doing a mass claim is to force them to come up with a lie and seeing if we can catch them doing so. (Lies can be countered by counterclaims, investigation results, or inconsistency.)
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Post by Gir! on Sept 26, 2009 19:30:06 GMT -5
Maybe we can let the Witches decide if they want to be exposed? Let the Witches claim first, and then everyone else claim afterwards, in a randomly dictated order?
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Post by Gir! on Sept 26, 2009 19:31:11 GMT -5
NETA: That may or may not work out logistically, but I had the thought, so you have to read it.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 26, 2009 20:20:49 GMT -5
Maybe we can let the Witches decide if they want to be exposed? Let the Witches claim first, and then everyone else claim afterwards, in a randomly dictated order? I'm not so sure that having the witches exposed is a reasonable risk. Remember, our current greatest threat is the cabal, which needs the witches dead. Furthermore, the witches are the most powerful power role in general, so the wolves (and, to a lesser extent, the (probably) last remaining vamp) have good incentive to kill at least one of them. Here's a thought--what if the witches lie during the mass claim? Witches are inherently more confirmable than pretty much anything else, having the confirmation ability of masons and investigators, along with the ability to talk strategy with the dead ones (which would allow for some confirmation hi-jinx that--while perhaps bordering on unfair, are not actually against the rules). That way, we don't have to worry about exposing them, but they probably won't be lynched if push comes to shove for them.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 26, 2009 21:30:06 GMT -5
I don't like that suggestion,because what the heck would the Witches claim, and still not have to lie about other things that would bring suspicion on themselves*, and then have to expose themselves anyway? If we have a mass claim, we should have a truthful mass claim** or we should not have one at all. That's why I suggested leaving it up to the Witches themselves by having them claim first. If they don't claim, no one else should (unless they're on the block).
*Vicar maybe, since the Necromancer is dead so it wouldn't matter who they claimed to have blessed, but the scum would know that we probably wouldn't really have that many Vicars. Or maybe Scotsman, with the same problem. **Well, as truthful as we can hope for, which would be truthful Town and lying scum.
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Post by Death By Irony on Sept 26, 2009 21:31:04 GMT -5
...but how are we supposed to know if a lying player is scummy scum or wacky Witch?
I say all Town should claim honestly or not at all, or it kinda defeats the purpose of mass claim.
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Post by Gir! on Sept 26, 2009 21:37:41 GMT -5
*Vicar maybe, since the Necromancer is dead. And now I'll contradict myself, since Pleo said "a" Necromancer and not "the" Necromancer, and he did say that there may be more than one of each role, so there might be another Necromancer out there.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 26, 2009 22:00:52 GMT -5
*Vicar maybe, since the Necromancer is dead. And now I'll contradict myself, since Pleo said "a" Necromancer and not "the" Necromancer, and he did say that there may be more than one of each role, so there might be another Necromancer out there. But we haven't seen a single zombie yet, so the odds of that are very low.
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Post by Trepa Mayfield on Sept 27, 2009 13:21:06 GMT -5
Fair enough. I have no problem waiting for the witches.
Anyway, I'm going to do a reread of Day 1 as soon as I get out from under this massive pile of homework, but first:
Vote: Sis Coyote
Because Bill's case is pretty convincing.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2009 11:25:08 GMT -5
Bill's case is incredibly weak.
I was concerned about those who kept discussing Boozy's case after he was already going to be lynched. About those who didn't want us looking elsewhere once we had a confirmed target.
And for god's sake - yes, I said plural Wolves, but I wasn't actually thinking there was more than one Wolf, but was speaking of Wolves as a category, just as I was speaking of Cabalists as a category.
I'm going to
Vote: vote death by irony Vote:
because I haven't had a satisfactory answer about how a mass claim is going to benefit Town, and for the insistence that the Witches -- who Town need to win, and Cabal need to die -- out themselves..
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 28, 2009 11:25:59 GMT -5
Sigh.
Vote: Death By Irony and if it doesn't work then I'm going to die from irony, or miscoding anyway.
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